کیا مجاہدین اور اہلحدیث فسادی ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔؟؟؟

[Akhtar]

 

Is ka jawab doh.

[Alteejani]

Assalam'u'Alaikum

 

Sat me ap sub logo ko pesh gi Eid Mubarrak, Akhtar bhai Commander sab bori tarah se ab phas gae he,shaed apni retirement ka soch rahe he,me unko sirf itna yaad delana chata ho ke agar ho sache hote to Allah yaqeenan unli madad karta per chu ke woh batel per he or unka pora Aqeeda hi fasid he is lye ab moo ki khaa rehe he,me Commander se jana chaho unki personal opinion kya Betullah Mehsood ke bare me kya woh Jahanam rasid howa marne ke bad ya Wahabio ki Ahmaqana janet me he is waqat.

[Commander_Faisal]

[Anwar200]

[Anwar200]

[Commander_Faisal]

Edited 27 نومبر 2009 by commander_faisal

[khansahib]

mr,wahabi u mixing up the debate what anwar said it is fact and u cant answer him.

now it is your words that u will bring the fatwas of wahabi shcolars against wahabi king was a

drinking man.wahabis allows u.s army to stay in kingdom.

bring the fatwa and prove u not lair.

[Commander_Faisal]

Edited 27 نومبر 2009 by commander_faisal

[Commander_Faisal]

[Akhtar]

CommanderFaisal@

 

Awal, hujjat kee gaee ho ya nah, Mushrikana aqahid agar hoon toh aqahid kee bina per Mushrik hoga {yehni woh Kaffir joh Allah kay saath us kee makhlooq ko khudai ka darja deta heh}.

 

Joh meh nay tum say man'wana thah woh tum nay maan leeya, kay Mushrik ka qatal jaiz heh aur hakim e waqt ko ijazat heh kay woh Mushrik ko qatal keray. Yehni joh Wahabiyoon nay Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat ko Mushrik ka label laga ker, jistera Khawarijiyoon nay Hazrat Ali aur baqi Sahabah per Mushrik ka fatwah laga ker, apni gari huwi Tawheed, aur apni mangarat Shirk kee istilah kay mutabiq Sahabah ko Mushrik kehtay thay aur khud ko Ahle Tawheed aur Sahabah ka qatal kertay thay, aur Ali Radiallah tallah anh ko Mushrik o Kaffir kehtay thay, is'see tera tum apni mangarat Shirk kee istilah kay mutabiq Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat ko Mushrik balkay sirf apnay aap ko hee Muwahid mantay ho aur baqiyoon ko Mushrik, aur apni is mangarat istilah kay mutabiq tum nay jamhoor, majority, ko Mushrik mantay ho, aur agar tum ko jistera Ibnul Wahab Najdi Kaffir ko moqa mila thah tum be Tawheed kay nashay meh Kharijiyoon kee tera Sunniyoon ko qatal kero, halan kay mujjay meray Rab kee shaan kee kasam Najdiat nah Tawheed ko samji heh aur nah hee Shirk kee istilah ko.

 

Yeh tumari istilah heh:

 

* Zinda ko pukara jahay toh Shirk nahin,

* Murda ko pukara jahay toh Shirk heh,

 

- Shirk Allah aur Makhlooq meh barabari per lazam hota heh, Awliyah-Allah dunya say rukhsat, faut, shaheed, ho jatay hen, shahid jis khuda ko tum mantay ho woh be faut ho gaya heh, is leyeh abh murda wali say aur tumaray murda khuda say manga jahay toh barabari hoti heh aur Shirk hota heh, joh faut shuda ko pukarnay ko Shirk kehta heh, haqiqat meh pakka Mushrik, Kaffir, heh keyun kay woh manta heh kay us ka khuda mar ker mat'ti meh mila heh, aur Allah tallah kee zaat e Wahid La Shareek, Zinda heh marnay wali nahin

 

* Qareeb say pukaro toh theek heh,

* Door say pukaro toh Shirk heh,

 

- Allah sunwata heh, door kee sada ho ya qareeb kee, woh door kee be suna sakta heh aur qareeb kee be suna sakta heh, is meh Shirk kee baat hee nahin. Door kee Shirk tab ho sakti heh jab Allah aur us kee makhlooq jis ko pukara jahay us meh barabari ho, WaliAllah mohtaaj hen Allay kay sun'nay kay leyeh {HQ: "Qaan banta hoon jis say sunta heh ..."} kia tumara khuda Wali'Allah ya kissi aur makhlooq ya tumara khuda kissi aur khuda ka mohtaaj heh sun'neh kay leyeh, is'see tera barabari hogi nah, WaliAllah wohi sunta heh joh Allah sunwata heh, Shahid tumara khuda jis ko tum nay khuda banaya huwa heh woh kissi aur ka mohtaaj ho aur pabandi ho us per kay yeh sun sakta he woh sun sakta heh, tabi barabari hogi aur tabi Shirk hoga. Es'see chavlen marnay wala, door qareeb kee tafreek ker kay ek ko Shirk aur dosray ko kuch aur, ka naam deh ker faraad bana leeya heh joh yeh baaat keray perlay darjay ka Mushrik o Kaffir heh ... qareeb o door sun'nay suna'nay say Shirk wirk lazam nahin hota, pakistan meh betha fone per apni mashooqa say america meh Wahabi maulvi rangeeli bateh toh kerta heh itni door kee sun ker Shirk nahin, sirf AwliyahAllah kay sun'nay pr Shirk ka fatwah, khabeeso insaan agar fone bana sakta heh joh itnay door chaand say awaaz suna sakta heh toh meray Rab ka kohi Shareek nahin, woh kia kia bana sakta heh apnay muqaribeen ko door o nazdeeq kee awaz suna'nay kay leyeh tummeh is ka pata nahin.

 

Shirk esay lazam nahin hota, Shirk e Akhbar us waqat lazam hota heh jab aqeedah badlay, yehni zaat o sifaat o afaal i illahi meh kissi ko shareek banaya jahay. Amaal ko dekh ker kissi ka aqeedah nahin jancha jata, agar kohi kabr/kabah kay samnay sajda kerta heh toh yeh mat samjoh qabr/kabah ko sajda kerta heh, amaal ka daro mad;dar niyat aur aqahid per heh, agar kohi Kaffir ho Hindu misaal kay tor per achi niyat say acha kaam keray toh kabool nahin, aur agar kissi ka aqeedah darust heh aur amal shariat kay khilaaf heh toh phir amal qabool tab bee nahin. Aqeedah darust ho, niyat darust ho, phir amal qabol hota heh. Kabah kay samnay Sajdah kernay walay ka aqeedah dekho, kia woh khuda maanta heh is ko, Allah kee zaat o sifaat o afaal meh kabah ko shareek manta heh, agar manta heh toh phir Kaffir Mushrik heh. Agar us ka aqeedah darust ho toh phir poocho niyat kia thee, Kabah ko sajdah keeya ya Allah ko, agar Allah ko toh ibadat, agar kabah ko, toh poocho, ibadat kee niyat say kia ya tazeem kee, agar ibadat kee niyat say keeya toh kaffir Mushrik heh, agar tazeem say keeya toh murtaqib e kabeera heh.

 

Tum ko kuch pata nahin Shirk ka, mujjay meray Rab kee izat kee kasam, Wahabiyo tum ko Shirk ka kuch pata nahin heh, Shirk ko tum samjay hee nahin ho, meh doh sawaal poochoon toh tumari ilmi oqaat sabat ho jahay, yeh Y.A.M joh heh das daffa sawal poochay thay, maut per gaee thee jawab nah deh sakka. Yaqeen ker leh tum ko Shirk o Tawheed ka ilm nahin. Jis din jurrat huwi mujjay batana kay tum Shirk kee definition per behas kerna chahtay ho.

[Anwar200]

[Anwar200]

links dekh lo http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:VhRVZfihZb4J:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ywt.01.html+king+abdullah+gambling&cd=2&hl=da&ct=clnk&gl

 

 

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:XUqmzScY97oJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahd_of_Saudi_Arabia+king+khalid+gambling&cd=1&hl=da&ct=clnk&gl

[Alteejani]

Janab commandar and company

 

Apne jo ye taweel politcal written lecture fatwe ke naam per pesh kya he,ab ye bi bata de ke iktne ap ke wahabi ulloma ne is ko kabool kya he,jahan tak mere ilm ka taluk he wahabi ulloma in logo ko ju in se ikhtelaf kare or hakumat ke khilaf ap ni aqale khosh ke mutabik jihad kare unko ap ke wahabi ulloma "Fi a to dhalaa" kahte he dar haqeeqat wahabiat ka tura hi ye hi ha ke waqtan fa waqtan hakumatu ke khilaf ikhraj kar te rahe or zalil or khowar hote rahe,ajeeb falsafa jihad he inka,wase ap logo ke apne ghar me ju barbariat pheli howi he uska to bhool ke bi zikar ni kar te,kyo kya use ap logo ke pol khol jae gae ya mosad or raw se pesay melne band ho jay gae,mazhab ka naam le kar Pakistan ke khilaf jo tom logo ke dheshat gard kar rakhi he woh to is pore kahani me kahi pe bi uska zikar nahi he ek martaba bi ap ne or ap ke tole ne ye nahi kha ke TTP dheshat gard tanzeem he,or akhr ap kese kahe gae kyo ke ap hi logo ne pade kye he in dheshat gardo ko,meri samaj me nahi ati ye bat akhr Anwar sab hukmaron pe kyo gae sidi tareke se yeh pochte bhai ap Bet ullah Mehsood ko kya samaj te he,to inki khokli khol jati,chale woh ap dono jane ,me to itna jan choka ho ke Cammander and company munafeqo ka tola he, ek sawal Akhtar bhai ke modho se ap Wahabio ka Khoda kah per he zara jawab di jeye ga

[Anwar200]

[Anwar200]

http://books.google.de/books?id=kfwAlWZC0soC&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=Ibn+Saud+with+Sir+Percy+Cox&source=bl&ots=upMRMlDRil&sig=7b-kiPVQl5H-Hy8y0qsq92bxy28&hl=da&ei=kosNS4TwG4yL-QaImdCrCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDEQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Ibn%20Saud%20with%20Sir%20Percy%20Cox&f yeh link ha shah saud ka jis meh likha ha ke os ne aik angraiz ko apna baap keha aur angraiz fouj ka wahabiyon ke sath mil kar muslamno ke khilaf jang ka.

 

 

 

 

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:P9z2pesLFdsJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan+black+september+zia+ul+haq&cd=1&hl=da&ct=clnk&gl=yeh link ha zia ul haq ka ke os ne

 

palestini muslmano ko qatal kia is meh aik baat yeh bi ha ke yeh wo falestini faidyain thay jo yahoodi fouj ko bohat nuqsan day rahay thay aur yahoodi ke liye sar dard banay howay thay

 

is per bi bas nahi ke yahoodi air force ne bi zia ki madad ki thee.

 

 

 

http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/siegeofmecca/castOfCharacters.php

 

yeh link ha os kitab ka jis meh tamam tafsil ha ke kis tarah se French comondos ne

 

kana kaba meh ja kar os per qabza karnay walon ko mara.zia ka jo kardar ha wo bi is meh ha.

 

 

 

[Anwar200]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War yeh link ha jis meh ap ki wahabi hukomat ne kufar ke sath mil kar iraqi per humla kia tafsil khud par lo.

 

 

[Commander_Faisal]

[khansahib]

anwar ny ap k sawalon ka jawab b dia ha or ap ko reference b dia ha ab ap b os ka jawab do yt our post is lengthy but just waste of time

jis point ko anwar ny highlight kia ha on py ap b agree ho chokae ho han albata ap in ko writing me accept nahi karte.

ap ya to facts ko accept kro ya na laikn jis points ko anwar ny post kia ha wo haq per base hain.now its up to you if u dont want to answer his questions.

[Anwar200]

[Alteejani]

Janab commandar and company

 

 

Zara muje apni pechli tahriro me se koi ek tahrir ye bata de ke mene ap se kis Wahabi Alem ka Fatwa manga tha Saudi Hokmarano ke khilaf,take ap ka jhot bi zaher hojae,ye bat sirf or sirf janab Anwar sab ne ki ab woh jane or ap,ha me kahta ho ap ke is fatwe ki hasiat khod Wahabi Ulloma ke nazdiq "Dhod me Makhi ke bara bar he" or koi shakhs jan boj ke makhi nahi nigal ta he,or ap se mene kaha tha ke or iktne ulloma ap ke he jo is Fatwe ki dasdeeq kar te hen zara ye bi to bataye or ap ne to khud hi is fatwe ko radh kar dya apni hi is post me ye kah kar[Agar bil fardh ye Ilzamat durost bi ho to Kabira guna honga per Ziada ziada hurmat or murtekab fasaq ka fatwa hi lagae ga kufar ka to nahi]or khod hi sawal kar dal kya Kufar ka Fatwa ziada sakht he ya Fasaq? Ab ap khod hi jawab den ap ke jo (Fi aa Dhalaa) ke Alem ne ye fatwa jari kya he is ki ap ke nazdiq kya hesiat he kya is per ap ke Wahabian ka Ijmaa he,agar nahi to kitne Wahabi kabaer Ulloma jo ap ke nazdiq mutabar he woh is fatwe ki tasdeeq kar te he,or Janab mene mahedh tana nahi tha haqeeqat bayan ki he ap ke firke ke bare me ap logo ka ye hi roosh he waqatan fa waqatan Ikharaj karte raho apne Muslmano ke khilaf or gher muslim se madad hasil karo yehi khuch TTP kar rahi he aj Pakistan ke khilaf,ab zara ap ke pesh karda fatwe pe ate he kya aesa masla jo pori umat ke lye ho ya kam se kam us jaga ke musalmano khas tor pe asr karha ho us masle ke lye ek farde wahad ke kahne se jis ki hasiat sowae is ke apne maslaq ki tableegh ke ilawa or kuch nahi kya us shakhs Waha ka faisla ya fatwe bina Ijmaa se rajo keye man lya jae,?kya yahi ap ka maslaq he? Agar nahi to ap ne kesa kahdya ke hame apne Salafi Sheikh per aetimad he ke unone ye baten begher kisi daleel ke nahi ki hogi ,tom logo pe waki Allah or us ke Rasool ki lant he tom humse kahte ho ke Taqleed mat karo or khod bina dekhe pora aetimad dedya ek Kharji ko Ikhraj ke lye,ye munafaqat nahi to or kya he,ab agae aye ap bar bar ye post me zikar kar rahe ke tom log 98% Wahabio ka qatle aam karana chate ho, me ye pochna chaho ga kya tom andhe ho pore Pakistan me jo tomare bhai beguna Logo ka Qatle aam karte pher rahe hen woh kis khate me jae ga,tom agar muj se ye registry karwana chate ho to likho,(Har woh shakhs jo Mamlakte Khudadad e Pakistan ke khilaf kisi bi tara se Jismani, zibani,fikri ya mali lihaz se dheshat gardi ya us ko torne ya kisi bi tara ka koi bi nuksan bil wasta ya begher wasta ke mulawas ho us shakhs ke khilaf Jang ya Qital wajab he) meri ye bat Ahle sunna wa Jamaa kitab or sunna ki roshni me na pae to foran kachre ke dabe me phekde,or yahi bat ap logo ke Wahabi ulloma se pochta ho Kya woh shakhs qable jurm nahi jo Is mamlakte Khodadad Pakistan ko nuksan pohchane ke dar pe ho kya us shakhs ke sat Jang wajab nahi jo is Nazriat Mumlakte Islam ko nuksan pohchana chata ho? Ap per is ka jawab dene fardh he kyo ke bat ab kis firke ya afrad ki nahi he pore umate moslama ki Qile ki he,or Akhr me,me ye kaho ga ke ap ne bari khobsorati se apna moo kala kar dya ap ab ye batae woh kon si hadees he jis me Hazoor Sallahu Alehe wasalam ne Gunbad ko apne lye na pasand kya,?ab ap ne Hazoor pe jhot band kar apna tikhana Jahanam me paka kardya.or jo tom jihad ka falsa parane ja rahe ho Inshallah use bi dekh lye jaeg,wa akhero daewana Alhamdollilahi Rab Alameen

Edited 30 نومبر 2009 by Alteejani

[Attari26]

 

 

 

اوپر موجود تحریر سعودی حکمران شاہ عبد العزیز آل سعود کی تحریر ہے۔ جس میں اس کی رائیٹنگ اور مہر بھی واضح نظر آرہی ہے۔ بڑے افسوس کی بات ہے کہ اس ظالم نے فلسطین کی پاک سرزمین جہاں قبلہ اول بیت المقدس ہے ''وہ زمین یہودیوں کے حوالے کرنے پر تیار ہے'' کے حوالے سے عبارت تحریر کی ہے۔ یعنی یہودیوں نے آل سعود کو اپنے اس فعل شنیع میں کہ مسلمانوں کا قتال کیا جائے ، شامل کرلیا ہے۔ اس پر بھی کچھ نہ کچھ اس نے ضرور ڈالر حاصل کرلئے ہوں گے۔ ورنہ اس طرح کی یہ حمایت کرنے والے کہاں ہیں۔

افسوس اس بات کا ہے کہ اپنے آپ کو خادم حرمین کہنے والے اس قدر گری ہوئی حرکت کرسکتے ہیں۔

مٹھی بھر یہودی اور ایک ارب سے زائد مسلمان ہیں مگر کیوں مسلمان ان کے دباؤ میں ہیں۔ یہ بات سمجھ میں آگئی کہ یہ عرب ممالک کے عیاش حکمران یہود و نصاریٰ کے غلام بنے بیٹھے ہیں۔ ان کی ہاں میں ہاں ملاتے ہیں اور ان سے عیاشی کے سامان حاصل کرتے ہیں۔ اسی لئے کئی مرتبہ عرب ممالک کے اجلاس ہوتے ہیں مگر مسئلہ فلسطین کا کوئی حل نہیں بیان کیا جاتا۔ اس لئے کہ مسلمانوں کو ایسے لالچی حکمرانوں سے واسطہ پڑا ہے جو مسلمانوں کی جانوں کے سودے کرکے مال عیاشی عوض میں لیتے ہیں۔

کیا سعودی عرب نے کبھی امریکہ کی پالیسی سے بغاوت کا اعلان کیا ؟ کبھی نہیں

کیا ان عرب ممالک نے کبھی یہود و نصاریٰ سے لین دین ختم کا اعلان کیا ؟ نہیں

ظالمو ! کل قیامت کے دن تم اپنے پروردگار کو کیا جواب دو گے۔ کیا اس وقت اپنی پیشانی پر لگے بے قصور مسلمانوں کے خون کے داغ دھو سکو گے۔ کیا وہاں کوئی چکر چلا سکو گے۔

Edited 30 نومبر 2009 by attari26

[Commander_Faisal]

[Anwar200]

wahabi phir soun lo ke mera dawa tha ke wahabi hukomat kufar ki paiyada war ha.

tum ne jo fatwa salfi sheik ka diya ha wo bi to yeh hi baat keh raha ha ab tum batawo ke tum

zaati tor per kis baat ko mantay ho?ya to likh do ke salfi shiakh jhota ha ya qabol kar lo ke wahabi hukomat kufar ki bani ha.wo to khud wahabi hukomat ko kafar aur ghumrah kehta ha tum kiya kehtay ho?

kia waja ha ke tum ne mayray sawal ka jawab nahi diya?wahabi hukomat aur wahabiyat ka apas meh kia taloq ha?jawab do na?

abhi tak jo hawalay day choka hon on meh se aik bi hawala ager haqeeqat per mabni ha to bi wahabiyat ki asal sab per khul jaye gee.pehlay ap in hawalon ko jhota to sabat kro na.

1 ya 2 hawalay abhi nahi post kiye baqi jo kiye hain on ko to pehlay raad kro ya qabol kro na?

 

[Alteejani]

Janab Commandar and Company

 

Kya tomari aqal ghans kahti he?tome faroei masle or Ikhraj me koi farak nazr nahi ata ,Dawate Islami ka Iya Qadri sab se ju bi ikhtelaf he unki tafsil unse tom khod poch lo,meri na Dawet Islami ya ilyas Qadri sab se koi zati taloq he per sawal he kya Ilyas Qadri ya dawet Islami ek dosre khelaf jang ka Aelan karte he kya woh ek dosre ko Kafir karar dete he kya ak dosre ke khilaf ikhraj ko wajab kahte he?Mera sawal hi tomere kharijio se ye he ke jab tom log hokumate waqt ke khilaf Ikhraj ko wajab kara dete ho to is pe tomara apne hi iktene olluma ka ijmaa he?dar haqeeqat kharijio ki pehchan hi ye he ke un ka kol uma se ikhtelaf hi rahta he ab tomere ek do sheokh ne hokumat ko kafr karar de dya or Ikhraj Fardh kardya,to pher sawal he is masle per tom ijmaa ko wajab nahi samaj te to pher jan lo tom kharji ho,ye mera statement or pher bi tom hele or bahane dhondo to tom munafaq ho,or iske bad bi tomara muqaf nahi badal ta he to tom fasadi ho or fitna ashado minal Qatil he,or agar Jab ye sari hujateen tom logo pe qaim hojati he to phir Umat e Islam ke kher ke lye tomara Qatil wajab he take fitne ka sade bab ho,or yohi ab jab tom is bat ka aetraf kar choke ke tom log mumlakt e khodadad Pakistan ko Dheshat gard or Kafr samaj te ho to tomare khilaf Jhihad ham per ab fardh ho jata he,ye bat mukamil tor pe sabat hogae he ke tom ek Kharji ho,ab ghard ise nahi ke tomara taaloq kis masleq se he ab ghard tomari nyat or Erado se he jo wadha hogaeen he,or chonke tomne Hazor salalahu Alehe wasalam pe jhot banda islye ab tom pake Jahanami hochuke ho Yah per me apne Ahle sunna ke ulloma se guzaresh karon ga ke jo shakhs Hazor mustafa pe jhot band raha he os ke khilaf fatwa ka ka ijraa kare,Wa akhro daawana Alhamdollilahi rabu Alameen

[Commander_Faisal]