mureed ka thanvi sahab ka kalma aur darood parhna

[Irfan_Attari05]

Assalam-o-aalikum

tama ahelesunat say guzarish hay k mujeh ashraf thanvi ki kitab ka asla scna chaye jis may wo apnay mured say apna kalma or darord parhwata hay (nazubillah)

[Shan E Raza]

Assalam-o-aalikum

tama ahelesunat say guzarish hay k mujeh ashraf thanvi ki kitab ka asla scna chaye jis may wo apnay mured say apna kalma or darord parhwata hay (nazubillah)

 

walaikum Asalam

Scan pages hazir hain

[mameenkhn]

Assalam-o-aalikum

tama ahelesunat say guzarish hay k mujeh ashraf thanvi ki kitab ka asla scna chaye jis may wo apnay mured say apna kalma or darord parhwata hay (nazubillah)

Attari sahab , Ye aik kawab ka waqia hai, aur khawab ikhteyari cheez nahi hoti.Aur khawab main admi mukalaf nahi hota. Aur kawab per koi fatwa bhi nahi lag sakta. Aur is scan se ye kahin nahi pata chalta k Hazrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi, ne apnay mureed ko apna Kalma aur durood perhney ko kaha. Aur jis shakhs ne ye khawab dekha hai wo to bechara riqqat se ro raha hai aur pareshaan ho raha hai.

 

Jahan per aap ye aiteraz post kernay ja rahay hain, mera jawab bhi saat post kerdain to bohat acha hoga.

[Abdur Rehman]

Attari sahab , Ye aik kawab ka waqia hai, aur khawab ikhteyari cheez nahi hoti.Aur khawab main admi mukalaf nahi hota. Aur kawab per koi fatwa bhi nahi lag sakta. Aur is scan se ye kahin nahi pata chalta k Hazrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi, ne apnay mureed ko apna Kalma aur durood perhney ko kaha. Aur jis shakhs ne ye khawab dekha hai wo to bechara riqqat se ro raha hai aur pareshaan ho raha hai.

 

Jahan per aap ye aiteraz post kernay ja rahay hain, mera jawab bhi saat post kerdain to bohat acha hoga.

 

mameenkhn sahab awwal tu poora waqia khwab he khwab nahee uth kar baith kar jagtay mai Darood bhe parha ja raha hai doyam thanvi sahab ka is waqaiay kay baray mai jo irshad hai wo jawab bhe unhon nay khwab mai he dia tha ya jag rahay thay ?

[mameenkhn]

mameenkhn sahab awwal tu poora waqia khwab he khwab nahee uth kar baith kar jagtay mai Darood bhe parha ja raha hai

Wo mureed ghabhra ker utta hai. Khawab main jo kalmah perha uus k tadaruk main Rasulullah per durood perhna chahta hai magar ghubrahat ki waja se ghair ikhteyari tor pe us k muu se Ashraf Ali nikal jata hai. Lekin niyyat uuski Huzoor per durood bhejnay ki hi hai.

Aksar logoon k saat aisa hota hai jab wo neendh se hoshyar hotay hai to kuch der k lye jisam k aazaa ,yani zubaan waghaira khabu main nahi rehtay kisi beemari ki waja se ya waisay hi.

aor to aor duusray rooz bedaari main riqqat se khoob ro bhi raha hai.

Isse ye bhi pata chalta hai k wo mureed apnay imaan k baray main kitna fikar mand hai.

Huzoor pe Durood shareef per k Ala Hazrat ki ainak utaar k is waqiay ko dubaara purho.

 

doyam thanvi sahab ka iswaqaiay kay baray mai jo irshad hai wo jawab bhe unhon nay khwab mai hedia tha ya jag rahay thay ?

Attari sahab ne ye aaiteraaz kya hai Hazrat Hakeem ul Ummat Thanvi Rehmatullah Alai "apnay mured say apna kalma or darood parhwata hay (nazubillah)". to ye baat aap mujhay un k jawab main dhikha do. bulkay wo to Nabi pak ka muttabay sunnat apnay aap ko keh rahay hain. Agar Nabi pak ka muttabay sunnat apnay aap ko kehnay ki waja se aap un per kufur ka fatwa lagana chahtay to shoq se lagain Hamain aisay fatwoon ki koi perwa nahi.

Edited 27 اگست 2009 by Saif ul Islam
no room for joking

[Shan E Raza]

Wo mureed ghabhra ker utta hai. Khawab main jo kalmah perha uus k tadaruk main Rasulullah per durood perhna chahta hai magar ghubrahat ki waja se ghair ikhteyari tor pe us k muu se Ashraf Ali nikal jata hai. Lekin niyyat uuski Huzoor per durood bhejnay ki hi hai.

Aksar logoon k saat aisa hota hai jab wo neendh se hoshyar hotay hai to kuch der k lye jisam k aazaa ,yani zubaan waghaira khabu main nahi rehtay kisi beemari ki waja se ya waisay hi.

aor to aor duusray rooz bedaari main riqqat se khoob ro bhi raha hai.

Isse ye bhi pata chalta hai k wo mureed apnay imaan k baray main kitna fikar mand hai.

Huzoor pe Durood shareef per k Ala Hazrat ki ainak utaar k is waqiay ko dubaara purho.

 

 

 

Mere meethay meethay ..... Attari sahab ne ye aaiteraaz kya hai Hazrat Hakeem ul Ummat Thanvi Rehmatullah Alai "apnay mured say apna kalma or darood parhwata hay (nazubillah)". to ye baat aap mujhay un k jawab main dhikha do. bulkay wo to Nabi pak ka muttabay sunnat apnay aap ko keh rahay hain. Agar Nabi pak ka muttabay sunnat apnay aap ko kehnay ki waja se aap un per kufur ka fatwa lagana chahtay to shoq se lagain Hamain aisay fatwoon ki koi perwa nahi.

 

MEMEN SAHAB ALA HAZRAT KA IS WAQIA PAR FATWA PARH LO IS MEIN TUMHARI KAI BAATON K JAWAB MOUJOOD HAIN.SHARAM AANI CHAHIYE AAP KO AGR AAP GAIR JANIB DAR HO KAR IS WAQIA KO POORA PARHO TO TUM BHI THANVI KO KAFIR KEHNE PAR MAJBOOR HO JAO,TUMHARI IS BAATK A JAWAB K THANVI KA MUREED GHABRA GYA THA IS LIYE MON SE NIKAL GYA TO IS KA JAWAB ALA HAZRAT REHMATULLAH ALAIH K FATWE MEIN HAI K ULMA NEIN IS KO BHI KUFR KAHA HAI.

[mameenkhn]

MEMEN SAHAB ALA HAZRAT KA IS WAQIA PAR FATWA PARH LO IS MEIN TUMHARI KAI BAATON K JAWAB MOUJOOD HAIN.SHARAM AANI CHAHIYE AAP KO AGR AAP GAIR JANIB DAR HO KAR IS WAQIA KO POORA PARHO TO TUM BHI THANVI KO KAFIR KEHNE PAR MAJBOOR HO JAO,TUMHARI IS BAATK A JAWAB K THANVI KA MUREED GHABRA GYA THA IS LIYE MON SE NIKAL GYA TO IS KA JAWAB ALA HAZRAT REHMATULLAH ALAIH K FATWE MEIN HAI K ULMA NEIN IS KO BHI KUFR KAHA HAI.

 

 

Main aap ko khan sahab ki ainak uttaar k perhnay ka keh raha hun aur aap ulta mujhay un ki ainak pehna rahay hain.

Sharam tum ko magar nahi aati.

Ab aap k pas aik raasta hai ya to Allah aur uska Piyaray Rasool k fatway ko qubul karo ya Khan sahab k. Its up to your choice.

Hum bhi to dhekain k Allah aur uska Piyaray Rasool se tum logon ko mohabbat hai ya khan sahab se.

Ye bhi bata do k khan sahab ne mureed pe ye fatwa Khuwab pe lagaya hai ya khawab se bedaari pe uus k durood perhnay pe.

 

Rahi baat Hazrat Thanvi k ooper fatway ki to aaj se aap log apnay aap ko Muttabay sunnat kehna chor do. Kyon k khan sahab k nazdeek apnay aap ko Muttabai sunnat yani sunnat ki itteba kernay wala kafir hai. Wa khan sahab kya ultay fatway de k gai ho.

[Jad Dul Mukhtar]

ASSALAM-U-ALAIKUM WA RAHMATULLAHI TA'ALA WA BARAKATUH WA MAGFIRAH FOR ALL SUNNIES

 

[mameenkhn]

ASSALAM-U-ALAIKUM WA RAHMATULLAHI TA'ALA WA BARAKATUH WA MAGFIRAH FOR ALL SUNNIES

 

 

 

Janab e man , ye pehlay sabit karo k usnay khawab main kalma perha hai ya bedaari main? (durood beshak usnay bedaari main perha hai)

Mere is sawal ka jawab de do phelay. Pehlay sahi tarhan us waqeay ko per lo. us kay baad aiteraaz kerna. pata nahi kahan se aa jatay hain ut k.

neechay main tumhari post ka snapshot de raha hun. isko pehlay sabit karo phir dusri baaton ka jawab dunga. You have to justify what you have written. otherwise doob k mar jao.

Yahan jo tum ne kalmay k pehlay juz main Ashraf Ali likha hai, ye Kufur o Shirk tum ne apni taraf se likha hai, aur Khan sahab k fatway ki ru se tum kafir ho gai ho. Agar tum ye kaho k main likhna kuch aur chah raha tha aur likh kuch or gaya to tumhara ye uzur qubool nahi kiya jai ga. Tajdeed e iman aur Tajdeed e nikah dono lazimi karo. Kahan sahab ka yehi fatwa hai. Chalay thay Hazrat thanvi ko kafir theranay khud mushrik hogai ho.

 

 

Main ne pehlay bhi sawal kia tha, khan sahab ne mureed pe ye fatwa e kufur Khuwab main kalma sharif perhnay pe lagaya hai ya khawab se bedaar honay pe uus k durood shareef perhnay pe?

iska bhi jawab de do

 

Jo hawalay tum ne hamari kitaboon se deye hain un k asal scan bhi pesh kerdo.

 

Mera admin ko mashwara hai k is thread ka Title change ker dain. ta k aanay walon ko pata chalay k is thread me kis topic pe baat ho rahi hai.

Scan darkar hay(urgent) title ajeeb sa lag raha hai.

Edited 28 اگست 2009 by mameenkhn

[Zubair]

 

Rahi baat Hazrat Thanvi k ooper fatway ki to aaj se aap log apnay aap ko Muttabay sunnat kehna chor do. Kyon k khan sahab k nazdeek apnay aap ko Muttabai sunnat yani sunnat ki itteba kernay wala kafir hai. Wa khan sahab kya ultay fatway de k gai ho.

 

 

 

SALAM

 

Jawab mein thanvee saab ne jo ye dawah kia k woh Mutabbay Sunnat hein - Yeh tu Apne munh mian mithoo banane wali baat hai . aye dekhte hein k kia haqeeqat mein thanvi sahab Sunnet per Chalne walay they ?? nechey di hoi kitab thanvi sahab k malfoozat hein . Sunnet tareeqa beth ker khana hai , jab k thanvi sahab na sirf chalte phirte khatay they balke sunnat ka mazak banate howe kehte hein k unki is gandi adet se nuqsan sirf ye hoga k ager islamic govt aa gayi tu un ko gawahi k leye court mein nahi bulaya jaye ga WAH THANVI SAHAB . aise insan ko Hakeem ul ummat tu door ki bat musalman b kase kaha ja sakta ? k jo khullam khulla sunnat ka mazak ura raha hai .

 

Is se ye sabit hota hai Mr Thanvi aik jhotey insan b they . aik taraf sunnat ka mazak , dosrei taraf Mutabbae sunnat hone ka dawah . mere khayal mein tu jab un k mureed ne " Nabiyyana Ashraf Ali " kaha tu Mr Thanvi ko maza aaya hoga .. aor bijaye is k us ko kehte k toba karo ya kam az kam ALLAH se dua karo k ainda aisa na ho .. woh mureed ko khulli chutti de rahe hein k lage raho mureed jee . main sunnet ka follower hoon ( Halan Kay Yeh B Jhoot Hai ).

[Jad Dul Mukhtar]

Janab e man , ye pehlay sabit karo k usnay khawab main kalma perha hai ya bedaari main? (durood beshak usnay bedaari main perha hai)

Mere is sawal ka jawab de do phelay. Pehlay sahi tarhan us waqeay ko per lo. us kay baad aiteraaz kerna. pata nahi kahan se aa jatay hain ut k.

neechay main tumhari post ka snapshot de raha hun. isko pehlay sabit karo phir dusri baaton ka jawab dunga. You have to justify what you have written. otherwise doob k mar jao.

 

 

Yahan jo tum ne kalmay k pehlay juz main Ashraf Ali likha hai, ye Kufur o Shirk tum ne apni taraf se likha hai, aur Khan sahab k fatway ki ru se tum kafir ho gai ho. Agar tum ye kaho k main likhna kuch aur chah raha tha aur likh kuch or gaya to tumhara ye uzur qubool nahi kiya jai ga. Tajdeed e iman aur Tajdeed e nikah dono lazimi karo. Kahan sahab ka yehi fatwa hai. Chalay thay Hazrat thanvi ko kafir theranay khud mushrik hogai ho.

 

 

Main ne pehlay bhi sawal kia tha, khan sahab ne mureed pe ye fatwa e kufur Khuwab main kalma sharif perhnay pe lagaya hai ya khawab se bedaar honay pe uus k durood shareef perhnay pe?

iska bhi jawab de do

 

Jo hawalay tum ne hamari kitaboon se deye hain un k asal scan bhi pesh kerdo.

 

JANAB MAMEEN KAHAN SHAIB, JAWAB TO APP NAY DENA HAI, KYON KAH APP KE MOLVI DONOON HALAT KO KUFUR LIKH RAHAY HAIN, GHOR SE PARHO,

 

TUMHARA KHALILL AMBETHVII DUROOD PARHNAY KO BHI KUFUR LIKHA RAHA HAI, OR TUMHARA SAEED AHMED TO KALMA MAIN ASHRAF ALI KO MILANAY KO KUFUR LIKH RAHA HAI.

 

CHALOO JAWAB DO JALDI SE, SHABASH.

 

RAHI BAAT MERAY KUFUR KARNAY KI TO DOOBARA PARHO USS EBARAT KO,

 

CHALOOOO JALDI SE APNAY IN MOLVIOON KA JAWAB DO JO THANVII OR MUREED DONOON KO KAFIR KEH RAHAY HAIN.

[mameenkhn]

JANAB MAMEEN KAHAN SHAIB, JAWAB TO APP NAY DENA HAI, KYON KAH APP KE MOLVI DONOON HALAT KO KUFUR LIKH RAHAY HAIN, GHOR SE PARHO,

 

TUMHARA KHALILL AMBETHVII DUROOD PARHNAY KO BHI KUFUR LIKHA RAHA HAI, OR TUMHARA SAEED AHMED TO KALMA MAIN ASHRAF ALI KO MILANAY KO KUFUR LIKH RAHA HAI.

 

CHALOO JAWAB DO JALDI SE, SHABASH.

Janab e mun, Aap to bohat hi deeth waqai huway hain. Mujhay to aisa lagta hai k mere post parhay baghair uska jawab day detay ho. Kyon Raza khaniyon ko mazeed ruswa kertay ho? Sharm tum magar nahi aati. Mere post dubara parho mera sawalat k jawabat dedo aur jo mutalba main ne kya hai wo pura kerdo.

Aur agar nahi ker saktay to ye bhi bata do. Mera time zaya na karo.

 

Kitaabon k Scan pages to post karo????

 

RAHI BAAT MERAY KUFUR KARNAY KI TO DOOBARA PARHO USS EBARAT KO,

 

Hamari kitaab main Kalmay k pehlay juz main Ashraf Ali likha hai kya?

Agar nahi likha to ye tum ne apni taraf se likha hai

Aur is kalma e shirk likhnay pe aap mushrik ho gai hai pakkay mushrik (khan sahab ka fatwa nahi mano gai?). Jis tarhan Khan saab ne apni kitab main Allah ko gaaliyan likhi thi aur ilzaam Mazloom Shah ismaeel Shaheed pe lagaya baghair kisi suboot kai ussi tarhan tum bhi ho. Jaldi se eemaan o Nikah ki tajdeed kerlo kahin aisa na ho Moat ka farishta aa jai. Zid na karo.

 

 

 

Chalo ye to tum logon nay maanaa k Hazrat Thanvi nai apnay mureed ko apna kalma aur durood nahi parhwaya. Is ka suboot tumharay admin ne jo title tabdeel kiya hai wo hai Mureed ka Hazrat thanvi sahab ka kalma aur durood parhna. Mujhay iis title pe aik aiteraaz hai.

Title ye hona chaiye tha, Mureed ka Hazrat thanvi sahab ka durood parhna. because kalma to usnay khawab main perha tha.

ya phir Mureed ka Hazrat thanvi sahab ka khawab main kalma aur bedaari main durood parhna.

Umeed hai Admin sahab meray is mashwaray ko qubool karaingay.

 

Note: Aik baat Tumharay keyboard main Capslock ka button hoga. usay off ker k type kya karo,

[Jad Dul Mukhtar]

janab jawab se app baag rahay hain, lagta hai app ke apnay molvioon ka joota zara zoor se mar dia main ne, jiss ki wajah se app bad-hawaas ho rahay hain. koi baat nahi lagta hai pehli bar kisi ne joota mara hai app ko.

 

janab mameen khan sahib, ilzam app ko molvi or uss ke mureed per, uss per kufur ka fatwa app ke teen adad molvioon ka. meray khayal se 3 kafi honay chahiye.

 

jo jo sawal app pehlay pooch chukay hain un sub ke jawab app ke molvioon ki ebaraat main mojood hain, deo ke bandar na banye, zara ghoor se parho. kia gangohi ki tarhah andah to nahi hogaye.

 

chalo jaldi se jawab lao , jawab nahi to bata do. apna or hamara time zaya na karo.

[mameenkhn]

janab jawab se app baag rahay hain, lagta hai app ke apnay molvioon ka joota zara zoor se mar dia main ne, jiss ki wajah se app bad-hawaas ho rahay hain. koi baat nahi lagta hai pehli bar kisi ne joota mara hai app ko.

Razakhaniyon isay samjhaoo bohat zaleel karwa chuka hai ye tum logon ko. Mere post ka jawab hi nahi deraaha. Beghairiti ki bhi koi inteha hoti hai.

tuf hai. Main ne koi itnay mushkil sawal to nahi kye. seedhay saaday sawal kye hai. Koi aur Razakhani hai jo in sawalaat k jawab dega. Kyon k ye sahab to jawabat nahi denay walai. Bulkay is k imaan aur nikkah ki tajdeed pehlay karaao. Agar mar wara gaya to direct kahan jai ga ye aap logon ko ma'aloom hai.

Aap logon ki aasani k lye number waar likh deta huun.

 

1. Khan sahab ne mureed pe ye fatwa e kufur Khuwab main kalma sharif perhnay pe lagayahai ya khawab se bedaar honay pe uus k durood shareef perhnay pe?
2. SAG ne jo Hamaray Ulema ki kitaabon k hawalay diye hain in k asal pages k scan darkaar hain. Ulema ki ibarat k jawabat main jab hi dunga jab SAG sahab asal scan pesh karengay.

janab mameen khan sahib, ilzam app ko molvi or uss ke mureed per, uss per kufur ka fatwa app ke teen adad molvioon ka. meray khayal se 3 kafi honay chahiye.

 

SAG sahab bari dhitaai se mutalba ker rahay hain jawabat ka aur Asal scan pages nahi pesh ker rahay. Wa ray beghairiti.... agar koi Deobandi koi aaiteraaz karay to tumhari agli post hoti hai scan pages lagao........wah re usool.

 

jo jo sawal app pehlay pooch chukay hain un sub ke jawab app ke molvioon ki ebaraat main mojood hain, deo ke bandar na banye, zara ghoor se parho. kia gangohi ki tarhah andah to nahi hogaye.

chalo jaldi se jawab lao , jawab nahi to bata do. apna or hamara time zaya na karo.

 

Andhay tum ho gai ho. Mera scan pages ka mutalba tumhay nazar hi nahi aataa. aur na hi tumhay apna Kufriya shirkiya kalma.

Jaldi say tajdeed e imaan o nikkah karo. ye bohat zaroori hai scan pages se bhi ziyaada. Scan pages baad main post ker dena. imaan ki tajdeed bohat zaroori hai. Ab agar aap main zari se bhi ghairat hogi to scan pages aur mere sawalat k jawab k saath agli post kerna. Itna zaleel to main ne shayad hi kisi razakhani ko hotay dekha hai jitna k tum horahay ho.

Edited 29 اگست 2009 by mameenkhn

[Jad Dul Mukhtar]

janab app hamaray forum per mojood ho hum nahi, to jawab app ne dena hai, alahazrat radi Allah anhu ki baat to baad main karain ge, janab pehlay apnay molvioon ki ebaraat per nazar karain.

 

janab ke movlioon sahiban ne khuwab main kalma parhnay per bhi touba o istigfar ka hukum dia hai or thanvi sahib ke jawab per bhi nalaan hoye hain. doosray molvi ne durood main ashraf ali ko bhi kufur likha hai.

 

janab pehlay apnay molvioon ki kabar lo, baad main hamari taraf aana. jaldi se jawab do. warna hamara time zaya na karo.

 

chalay the hum se sawal karnay app ne kafir ka fatawa kiss halat per lagaya, lakin khud nahi maloom kah janab ke molvioon ne donoon halat ko kufur likha hai. thanvi ki touba o istigfar ki talqeen na karnay per barham hoye hain.

 

agar koi Deobandi koi aaiteraaz karay to tumhari agli post hoti hai scan pages lagao........wah re usool

 

zara iss ko sabit karain, lanatullahi alal kazibeeen . jhootoon per Allah ki lanat ho. main apni kisi bhi post main deobandioon se essa koi mutalbah nahi kia.

 

wesay app sabit to kuch kar nahi payeen ge. apnay molvioon ki aik doosray per kufur bazi ko hi rook lo.

[mameenkhn]

 

Hairat hai itna zaleel honay k baad bhi abhi tak tum zinda ho aur emaan ki tajdeed bhi nahi kerrahay ho or post bhi ker rahay ho without scan pages.

janab app hamaray forum per mojood ho hum nahi,

Mazay ki baat yehi to hai k Allah aap logon ko aap hi k forum main zaleel o ruswa ker raha hai. Aap logon main to itni bhi himmat nahi k hamaray forum pe aa k koi baat karo.

Khan sahab ka jawab aap na do. Khan sahab fatway hi aaisay de k gai hain jinhay aaj tak puray Razakhani bhugat rahay hain. Mera ye sawal ab Qadri sahab se hai. because Qadri sahab ne hi Khan sahab ka fatwa pesh kia tha. Chalo aap ki to jaan chuuti is sawal se. 2 rakat shukranay k zaroor per lena.

Kyon Qadri sahab.

 

• For Qadri Attari--------Khan sahab ne mureed pe ye fatwa e kufur Khuwabmain kalma sharif perhnay pe lagaya hai ya khawab se bedaar honay pe uusk durood shareef perhnay pe?

SAG sahab bari dhitaai se mutalba ker rahay hain jawabat ka aur Asal scan pagesnahi pesh ker rahay. Wa ray beghairiti.... agar koi Deobandi koiaaiteraaz karay to tumhari agli post hoti hai scan pageslagao........wah re usool.

 

Main yahan aap se mukhatib hi nahi hun. main to is forum pay puri razakhani zurriyat se mukhatib hun. isi leye main ne SAG sahab se paragraph shuru kya hai. agar aap ko aiteraaz hai to tumhari ki jaga tum logon ki kerdeta hun. ab to koi aiteraaz nahi hona chahiye.

 

SAG sahab bari dhitaai se mutalba ker rahay hain jawabat ka aur Asal scan pagesnahi pesh ker rahay. Wa ray beghairiti.... agar koi Deobandi koi aaiteraaz karay to tum logon ki agli post hoti hai scan pages lagao........wah re usool.

aap ko suboot chahiye to aap isi forum k thread "Ala Hazrat ki ibarat" dekh lain. jis main aap k sag-e-raza sahab aur sag Salar raza sahab scan pages ka mutalba kertay huwai pai gai hain. balkay salar raza sahab to 2 haath aagai hain wo to aglay pichlay pages ka bhi mutalba kertay hain.

 

Hairat hai aap scan pages laganay se itna katra kyon rahay hai. Mera ye mutalba koi ghalat to nahi hai. Jis se aap ne jawab tayyar karwaya hai ussi ko keh dain. Aap scan pages lagain aglay pichlay pages k saath aap ko jawab bhi mil jai ga.

 

Abhi tak tajdeed e imaan o nikah kya na nahi aap ne? Mujhay aap ki bari fikar ho rahi hai. Kahin is halat main mer gai to kya hoga?

Waqai Allah jise gumrah kerna chahay usay koi hidayat nahi de sakta.

 

Mera admin se bhi mutaliba hai in sahab ko asal scan ma'a aglay pichlay pages k laganay pe aamaada kia jai. Warna aap logon ki shikast samjhi jai gi.

Edited 30 اگست 2009 by mameenkhn

[Zubair]

Salam

 

Jis tarha baigairti mein Deobandi akbireen ( yani aik bister per lait ker ..... Ahum Ahum ) No 1 hain , waise hi charb zubani aor bakwas kerne mein deo Gandi b No 1 hai bhai ...

 

Khouq Mameem ( yahan Khouq yani Khinzeer kehne ki wajah yeh hai k thanvi sahab khud apne malfoozat mein kehte hein k woh tu SAG oar Khizneer se b kum ter hein tu zahiri baat hai k un ki zurriyet tu Khouq se b gayi guzri hogi )tu Khouq Mameen Saab Charb Zubani kerte howe Nikah Tootne ki Baat kerte Hain , Arey kia Jad bhai ka Nikah aap k gahr hoa tha? jo aap ko unke nikah ki fikr per gayi. topic kuch aor hai aor aap ko Nikah yaad aa raha hai . ab hum per ghusa na ki jeye ga aap ne khud hi aise baat ki . aor umeed hai k Khouq kehne per b aap Ghusa nahi karen ge kiyon k aap k Hakeem ul Amat sahab ki taleem hai ye tu .

 

Main ne oper aik scan dia tha likin lagta hai KHouq mameen saab us ko Kawaa Samjh ker kha geye hein , oh Bhai Thanvi saab ne tu aap ko sab k samne zaleel kerwa dia . ap jis thanvi ko mutabaye sunnet sabit kerne ja rahe they woh tu lafanga sabit ho gaya , dekho kase badmashoon ki tarha na sirf chalte phirte khata tha balke oper se maskhra pan dekho Mr Thanvi Khouq ka k Sunnat ka Mazak b bana dia . Aisa Maskhara aap ka hi imam ho sakta hai .

 

Waise baat ko kis qadr khichri bana dia Khouq Saab ne , kahan se baat ko kahan le aye . Baat badi Seedhi si thi , thanvi saab ko unka mureed nabi b maan lia aor phir ager goor kia jaye tu mureed saab kehte hein k US Rooz Kuch Aisa hi Khayal Raha ,, Kesa Khayal raha hai? Thanvi saab per kalma aor Thanvi saab ko Nabi Manane ka khayal raha . likin thanvi saab ki bay gairet rooh ye sun ker b nahi beydaar hoi , unko tu haqeeqat main maza aa raha tha , arey itne porani khawish pori ho gayi aor kia chaheye unko . ab dekhen baat sirf itni thee k thanvi sahab kehte ary miyan tumhari mohabbet tu apni jagah likin tu ye baat badi door tak ja rahi , ALLAH se toba karo aor Dua Karo aor apne Mohabbet ko Control karo ... Buss ! Baat khatam ho jati koi aiteraz b na kerta . likin thanvi sahab tu Jhoom gaye k tum ne jo kia bilkul theek kia , main tu Sunnet per Chalne Wala hoon ... wah wah kia Daleel di . Thanvi sahab ki ye Daleel tu aaj tak Deobandiyoon k Galay main Haddi ban k atki hoi hai , na nigal sakte hein na ugal sakte hein . Phir Sochne ki Baat ye hai k Aya ye Mohabbet KAise Mohabbet thi , kiyon k Deobandi books mein ager aap in k molviyoon ki mohabbet k qisse perhen tu aap Sharma Jayen likin Deobandi Itne Bay Gairet hain k Na sirf un ko books mein chapte hein balke logon ko per Perh ker sunate hein For Example Mr nantovi Aor Mr GANd Gohee ka aik bister Per Lait Ker Seenay Per Hath Phairna Aor Mr Nantovi ka sharmana Aor Mr nantovi ka bachoon k Azaar band Kholna , TOBA , aor Mr Nantovi ka AIk HAFIZ saab k sath Mil ker Nahana Aor Aik Dosre kI kamar Saaf Kerna . Kuch Aor B sunaoon Mr Khouq ? ab batain Yeh Hai DeoGandi ki Mohabbet , bhai Ager Deo Bandi Qoom Bay gairet hai tu in mein kusoor inka nahi , asal mein Oper se hi Taleem Aise Mili hai .. Tuff hai aise Heejray Molviyoon per....

 

Mr khouq mameen Kehte Hein k Humein Imam e Ahle Sunant k fatwe ne ruswa ker dia :D kia is baat per hansana tha Mr Khouq? Arey miyan ager Ala HAzret ne Kafir ko kafir keh dia tu Kia Kusoor ho gaya ?? Humein Tu proud hai k hamare imam ne aise Heejray Molviyoon ko Point out ker dia aor ummet k Iman ko Alhumdulilah bacha lia , Ruswayi tu deobandi k muqadder hai mr khouq , aaj tak Munafiqet ka libada pehan ker ghoom rahe ho , Sunni olama k paas ja ker Sunni ban jate ho , wahabiyoon mein ja ker wahabi ban jate ho deobandiyon ki halat us Pesha war Aoret Jaise Ho chuki hai jo Her kisi k paas Raat Basr ker laite hai .. Chalen Aik Misal De Deta hoon Almuhannad mein Deobandiyoon ne Ibne Abdul Wahab ko Khoob galiyan di KIYON k us wakt k olama e haramain Sunni they aor Ibne Abdul Wahab k Khilaf they , ab jab aal e Saud Ki govt aa gyi wahan Wahabi Molvi aa GAye tu DEOBAND ka fatwa B badal gaya .. ab wohi ibne abdul wahab in k leye Mujaddid ban gaya hai .. tu Miyan Khouq deobandi ka tu imaaan time k sath badal jata hai . Ye Hai Ruswayi , k aaj tak munh chupate phir rahe ho . Allah aise Bazaari Aqeedese bachaye Ameen .

 

Chalen ye tu sirf Mr Khouq ki Charb Zubani ka Jawab tha ,, ab Umeed hai k Mr Khouq Topic per aa jayen ge .. ager na ayen tu samjh jaye ga k bay Gairti ki Inteha ko choo chuke hein aor wapsi mumkin nahi .

 

KIA THANVEE WAQEA HI MUTABBAY SUNNAT THA ???

 

Rabb Rakha

[mameenkhn]

 

Zubair sahab Aap ki post se to aisa lag raha hai k JAD sahab ki shaadi aap k ghar huwi hai intay jal bhun k aap ne jo post ki hai. Bher e haal jo Zuban aap ne istemaal ki hai usay per k Khan sahab ki kitabain yaad aagain.

Jo Allah ko gandi gandi gaaliyan de sakta hai uski zurriyat se yehi umeed ki jasakti hai.

Aap ki itelaa k liye aarz hai k Raza khani mazhab main hindu,sikh, eesaai, janwar kuttay, khinzeer se shaadian jaiz hain. Suboot k tor pe aap ko Khan sahab ki tehreer paish ki ja sakti hai.

 

Rahi baat Churp zabani ki to ibtedaa JAD sahab ne ki hai Deo k Bandar keh k.

Dekhain sag k lafz to aap logon k lye baa e se fakhar hai. to is main itna ghussa honay ki kiya zaroorat hai. Aap khud apnay aap ko Sag kehtay phirain koi harj nahi lekin Ham ager khahain to Ghussa kyon aata hai.

Rahi baat aap k sawal ki to main Razakhani johar se nikalnay walay har mendak k sawal ka jawab denay ka paband nahi hun.

 

Waisay bhi Baat Hazrat Thanvi aur unk mureed ki Takfeer ki ho rahi hai.

 

Aap se bhi mutaliba hai k Topic ko change na kerain.

 

Agar aap k paas takfeer se related scan pages hain to aap bhi laga saktay hain.

Edited 30 اگست 2009 by mameenkhn

[Jad Dul Mukhtar]

in se daleel mangi thi keh main nay kuch scan pages ka mutalbah kia to kehtay hain main nay sag sahab se para shroo kia, sag sahab ye wahid hai ya jama ?? haan agar ye sag sahiban hota to humhain koi etiraaz nahi tha.

 

mameem khan sahib kiyon kia hoa apnay sawaloon ka rukh qadri bhai ki taraf kyon kar dia?? pehlay zara apnay molvioon ka jawab to do ?? app ke sawal ka jawab app ke molvioon ne de dia hai. app ko khuwab or jagnay ki fikar thi or thanvi sahib ki tasalli ki fikar thi.

 

legia app ki molvioon nay app ki tamam fikrain khatam kar di hain. zara jaldi karain. topic se relation jawab dain.

 

app ke molvioon ne app ke lye jawab bohat asaan kar dia hai janab. app ka jawab dena main ne asaan kar dia hai.

 

bhaioon in ke pass jawab nahi hai, jawab hota na to foran post kar detay bagair kisi mutalbah ki, jiss tarhah upper bagair kisi mutabbah ke mameen kahan sahib ne aik adad hadees or ayat code kar de. hum to abhi uss taraf gaye bhi nahi.

 

hamara sirf itna sa mutalbah hai kah janab ke 3 adad molvi sahiban ne jo likha hai iss waqia per uss per janab ka kaheen ge.?? janab mameen sahib app kuch nahi keh sakhtay to app ke kisi molvi ne iss ka jawab to dia hoga. ye ebaraat ajj ki nahi hain ye bohat poorani hain. or mutaddid dafah ahlesunnat ke ullama issay deobandi ullama ke samnah rakh chukah hain.

 

mameen sahib app ka khakarvi kharkhara kar mar gaya janab app to uss ki taweel e fasiq dena choor do. warna app yahan iss ki taweel e fasiq do ge wahan uss ko chittar parain ge.

 

chalo shabash jawab hai to do warna time zaya na karo.

[Zubair]

 

Bilkul Bilkul Mameen saab topic per aa jayen , Asal mein aap ko logon k Nikah ki Fikr per gayi thee is leye socha k ap ka ye Shadi Dafter Band hi kerwa dia jaye, acha kia aap ne khud hi Bori Bistra Samait lia .

 

Khan saab Sirf hum hi Nahi aap k Nantovi Sahab b Khud ko SAG kehlawan Pasand Kerte they aor aap k thanvee Saab tu Khinzeer se Bura Samjhte they apne aap ko , Ab Insaaf Yehi hai k Ap Jab b Thanvi Aor Nanotvi ka Naam lain tu Sag aor Khinzeer k Ilfaz b sath mila lain. jo usool Hamare leye wohi apni Molviyoon k leye

 

Hindo ya ksii Janwar se Shadi ka tu humein maloom nahi Sirf Itna janta hein k Gandoghi Sahab Aor Nantovi Sahab Aik Bister Per Lait ker Apne Dil k Armaan Pore Ker lete they , un k Nazdeek tu 2 Mard b mian biwi ban sakte hein aor aik bister per lait ker Raaz n Niyaz Ker sakte hein , umeed hai deobandi apne Molviyoon ki is Sunnat ko Zaror Zinda kerte Hon gey .

 

Bakiya Mera Sawal per tu aap Bura hi Maan Gaye k Jawab Nahi doonga , Kia Sawal Zyada Mushkil tha? waise ye Jawab se Bhagna b aap k akabireen ki Sunnet hai , JAb Gangohi Sab se sawal kia gaya k oyee KAwwa Khoor tum ne Kawwe ko Halal Kaise keh dia tu Becharey Gangohi Saab b Aise hi Statement de ker jaan churayee thee.

 

Bakiya Mera Sawal Bilkul Topic k oper hai Janab , oper apni post khud hi perh lain , ap ne khud thanvi saab k Mutabbay Sunnat hone ki Baat Shoro ki thee aor ye baat tu Thanvi Saab k Jawab main b Mojood hai tu off the topic kase ho gayi??

 

Rahi Baat Thanvi Sab ki Takfeer ki tu koi bay sharam hi is waqea per Taweel ker sakta hai ... Khan Saab Zara Ankhen kholen Thavee ka mureed keh raha hai k US PORA DIN KUCH AISA HI KHAYAL RAHA . 1baar nahi 2 baar nahi 3 baar nahi poora din Mureed Saab Thanvee ko Nabi b kehte rahe aor Kalma b perte rahe , Likin Thanvi Sahab Ne Inteha Derje ki BAy Gairti ka Saboot dete howe Us ki Hosla afzayi ki , Thanvi Saab k dil main tu Laddo Phoot rahe they .

 

Deobandiyoo Sharam se doob maro , aik Bilkul Seedhay aor saaf kufr per b tum log kitne bay sharmi k sath Taweelain Pesh ker rahe ho.

 

Rahi Baat oper Imam e Ahle Sunnat ki Tahreer ki tu Mere Imam tu Wahan QAZI A'yaaz Aor Imam e Abu MOhammed Ka Qool Naqal Ferma rahe hein , chalo Ala HAzret ki baat tu na mano , Imam e Mohammed aor Qazi Ayaaz ki tu maan lo .

 

1. Kia Thanvee Sahab Muttabye Sunnat They ??

2. Thanvi Sahab ko Aik Baar b Sharam Nahi Aye k Mureed ko Mana Karen ?

3. Kia thanvi Sahab ko Nabi Banane ka shoq tha ??

4. Kia thanvi Sahab k Mureed ki Unse Mohabbet Mr Gangohi Aor Mr Nantovi Wali thee Ya koi Aor Mohabbet thi?

[mameenkhn]

1. Kia Thanvee Sahab Muttabye Sunnat They ??

2. Thanvi Sahab ko Aik Baar b Sharam Nahi Aye k Mureed ko Mana Karen ?

3. Kia thanvi Sahab ko Nabi Banane ka shoq tha ??

4. Kia thanvi Sahab k Mureed ki Unse Mohabbet Mr Gangohi Aor Mr Nantovi Wali thee Ya koi Aor Mohabbet thi?

 

 

aap nay jo post mai likha hai wo ghair muta'llik jawab aur bahas baraiay bahs hai

 

aap topic say related akhlaq aur adab kay daiaray mai jo mari post karain baki jo naee baat karni hai wo muta'llika topic mai karain ya new topic banaiay...

 

this post would be deleted soon

Edited 30 اگست 2009 by Saif ul Islam

[mameenkhn]

aap nay jo post mai likha hai wo ghair muta'llik jawab aur bahas baraiay bahs hai

 

aap topic say related akhlaq aur adab kay daiaray mai jo mari post karain baki jo naee baat karni hai wo muta'llika topic mai karain ya new topic banaiay...

 

this post would be deleted soon

 

Saif sahab saaray rules non barelvies k lye hain? Behas baray behas wo ker rahay hain. Mere pehley sawalat aur Scan pages bhi nahi lagai un logon ne.

Chalain mere ye sawalat to topic se related hi hain.

 

1. khan sahab ne mureed pe ye fatwa e kufur Khuwab main kalma sharif perhnay pe lagaya hai ya khawab se bedaar honay pe uus k durood shareef perhnay pe?
2. Deobandi Ulema ki kitaboon k jo hawalay diye gai hain un k Asal scan kahan hain?
3. Kya Razakhaniyon aur Ahmad Raza k nazdeek Imaam Abu Hanifa k ustaad bhi Kafir hain. Jab imam sahab ne khawab dekha k wo Rasoollullah ki Qabar mubarak ukhar rahay hai.(Al i yazubillah).Un k ustaad ne ye taabeer bataai k to Ahadeeth e mubarika ki perwi karaiga aur Shariyate muhammadi ki puri khod karay ga. Imaam sahab bhi yaqeenan is jawab se khush huwa hongain k Allah in se deen ka kaam lena chahta hai. Kya Imam sahab bhi kafir hain?
4. Kya App k Ahmad Raza ne Allah ko gandi Galliyan denay walay aur Nabi paak ki gustakhi kernay walay pe to Hukum e kufur jari nahi kya lekin apnay aap ko Muttabai Sunnat kehnay walay Hazrat Thanvi ko Kafir kaha. Kyon?
5. Kya App k Ahmad Raza ne Allah ko gandi Galliyan denay walay aur Nabi paak ki gustakhi kernay walay k baray main Ulmaye Mohtateen ko to mana kya k wo Kafir na kahain lekin apnay aap ko Muttabai Sunnat kehnay walay Hazrat Thanvi ko Kafir kaha.
6. Kya App k Ahmad Raza ne Allah ko gandi Galliyan denay walay aur Nabi paak ki gustakhi kernay walay ko to Ahle Laailaha Illallah Kaha lekin apnay aap ko Muttabai Sunnat kehnay walay Hazrat Thanvi ko Kafir kaha.Kyon?
7. Kya Razakhaniyon k nazdeek Badnazri kernay wala Imaam e Ahle sunnat kehlai lekin Apnay aap ko Muttabai Sunnat kehnay walay Hazrat Thanvi Kafir kehlaain.Kyon?
8. Kya Kalmay k Pehlay juz main Allah ki jaga ghairUllah ka naam (yani Ashraf Ali) likhnay wala JAD DUL MUKHTAR to pakka musalmaan aur Aashiq e Rasool kehlai aur Jo Nabi Pak pe durood perhna chahta hai lekin zubaan ki bey ikhteyaari ki waja se uskay muu se Ashraf Ali nikal jata hai. aur uus per uska pura din rona aur riqqat rehnay phir bhi wo kafir. Jab k JAD sahab ko barhaa Iman o Nikah ki Tajdeed ka kaha gaya wo phir bhi takabbur ki waja se akray rahay aur apni ghulti tasleem hi na ki. phir bhi wo pakkay musalmaan aur sachaay aashiq e Rasool . Kyon?

Razakhaniyoon insaaf se kaam lo. Kal ko tumhay bhi Allah ko muu dikhana hai.

[Zubair]

 

Khan aap Mere Khayal se Post perhte Nahi , Janab ko jaldi hoti Mr thanvi ki izzet bachane k leye . Imam e Ahle Sunnet ne Kis Cheez Per kalam Kia hai .. Oper Scan Mojood Hai Perhoo usko . Bachoon ki tarha Zidd Nahi kerte .

 

Wah rey Bay Sharmi .. Khan Saab aap ne Mr Thanvi ko bachane k leye Imam e Azam Abu Hanifa k Kahwab ka Sahara le lia ?? Khan Saab Aqal Na howe te Mojan hi Mojan .. Hum Khawab k oper Aiteraz Kab ker rahe hein ? aap ye bata dein humein k aap aiteraz Samjhne k PAise kitne Lain ge? ta k kuch de ker aap ko masla samjha dia jaye ,

Mr thanvi k Mureeed ne Pehle Khawab Dekha us mein Kalima Thanvi k Naam ka perha phir Jaag gaya tu Thanvi ko Durood Shareef Mein Nabi Keh dia , Phir Sara Din Hi Yehi Khayal Raha . Yani Sara Din Thanvee k Naam ka kalma Aor Durood Main Usko Nabi Kehne ka Silsila Jari raha .

 

Is per aap k Mr thanvi ne bijaye us ko Toba ka kehne k Bilkul hi Khulli chutti de di . Mojan hi Mojan . Mere Naam ka kalma b perhoo , Durood mein mujhe nabi b kaho . aor reason kia de rahe hein k main Mutabbaye Sunnet hoon iska matleb hai k her mutabbay Sunnet ka Kalma perhna chaheye?

 

Badi Ma'zret k Sath likien Is se Zyada bhondi Daleel kisi ne aaj tak nahi de hogi. ab apa badi merhbani k sath ider udher ki baten kerne ki bijaye is baat ka jawab de dein k thanvi Sahab ki Gairet kahan Mer gayi thi? k aik bande ko Toba tak ka na keh sake ?

 

Sawal4,5,6,7 tu mere khayal se aap ne Number Berhane aor Post ko lamba kerne k leye likhe hein Aik hi Sawal ko Turor Muroor ker 4 baar likh dia wah ji wah . Jab mein Sawal Kerta hoon k Jawab doo k Thanvi Sahab Mutaabay Sunnat they ya nahi tu kehte ho k ye topic nahi , topic per raho . aor khud Bander ki Tarha Uchal Koud Jari hai Waise Thanvi Sahab ka Apne Munh se Apne Ap ko Mutabay Sunnet kehna b kisi joke se kum nahi . mere khayal se ye Mohawara thanvi k leye hi bana tha " Yeh Munh Aor Musoor ki Daal"

 

aap dosron ko topic per rehne ka jo mashwara de rahe hein tu khud b us per amal ker lain.

 

akhri sawal b Khoob Aqak na howe te Mojan hi Mojan ..! deogandi sab is ka matleb hai k jo b tumhare thanvi k is kalme ki baat ko quote kare woh kafir ho jaye ga . Isko Bay Gairti ki inteha na kahon tu kia kahon ?? K thanvi Apne aap ko Nabi Sun ker Apna Kalma Sun ker b kafir nahi hota ?? Perhne Wala thanvi ko Nabi Maan ker b kafir nahi hota ?? Jis molvi ne ye Kalma apni kitab mein likha woh kafir nahi hota?? jo deobandi isko aj tak perh rahe hein woh kafir nahi hota? likin ager hum quote ker dein tu kafir ban jate hein

 

End k oper topic se related kuch Sawal

 

1. Kia Kisi ko Nabi keh dene k baad Sirf roo Lena Kafi hota hai? Ya toba b kerni chaheye

2. Kia kisi k Naam ka kalma Perh lene k baad Sirf Roo Lena aor Udaas ho jana kafi hai? ya toba b

3. 1 nahi 2 nahi balke poora din kisi ki Zuban us k control mein na ho .. aisa mumkin hai ?

4. kiya Apne Naam ka kalma Sun ker apna aap ko Mutabbay Sunnat keh dena kafi hai ?(k us ne nabi is leye kaha hai k main Sunnet per chalta hoon )

[Jad Dul Mukhtar]

JANAB MAMEEEN KAHAN SAHIB KIA HI ACCHA HOTA YE HI SAWAL APP APNAY MOLVIOON KO SENT KARTAY OR UN SE HI SAWALOON KE JAWAB LETAY, APP KE SARAY SAWALOON KE JAWAB APP KE MOLVIOON KE EBARAT MAIN MOJOOD HAI.

 

AMBETVI SAHIB KEHTAY HAIN ::

 

YE JO DUROOD PARHTA HAI HALAT E BEDARI MAIN YE MAZORI NAHI. WO KEHTA HAI MAIN MAJBOOR THA ZABAN QABOO MAIN NAHI TO BAGOOR DEKHA JAYE TO ISS KA YE UZUR, UZUR E SHARAYE MALOOM NAHI HOTA. AGAY LIKHTAY HAIN KEH JUB MALOOM THA ZABAN QABU MAIN NAHI TO BAR BAR KALMA KUFUR KYON KEHTA THA ?? AGAY LIKHTAY HAIN KEH MUREED KO SHARAN MAZOOOR NA SAMJAH JAYE GA. YANI WO KAFIR HAI. UB KAFIR KO YE KEHNA KEH JISS KA TUM KALMA PARHTAY HO WO MUTTABEH SUNNAT HAI. YANI JO MUTTANEH SUNNAT HO USS KA KALMA PARHNA JAIZ HAI. (ALAYAZUBILLAH)

 

AMBETVI SAHIB NEY TO USS KE UZUR KO GHAIR SHARYE KAHA, BILKUL WOHI BAAT GANGOHI SAHIB KEH RAHAY HAIN ZABAN KE BE'QABU HONAY KA UZUR QABOOL NAHI HOTA. USS KE FORAN QATAL KA HUKUM SADIR KIA JAYE.

 

SAEED AHMED AKBAR ABADI KEHTAY HAIN ::

 

MUREED KE MOUN SE ASHRAF ALI RASOOL ALLAH NIKAL JATA HAI, ZAHIR HAI ISS KA SAAF OR SEEDA JAWAB YE THA KEH YE KALMA KUFUR HAI, SHAITAN KA FAREEB HAI, NAFS KA DOHKA HAI, TOUBA OR ISTIGFAR KARO LAIN THANVI NE YE KEH KAR BAAT AAYE GAYE KAR DI...........

 

SAAF SAAF KEH RAHAY HAIN KAH YE KALMA KUFUR HAI THANVI SAHIB KO TOUBA O ISTIGFAR KA HUKUM DENA CHAHIYE THA LAKIN THANVI SAHIB NE BAAT AAYE GAYE KAR DI YE KEH KAR ..........

 

SAEED SAHIB KO THANVI SAHIB KE JAWAB PER ETIRAAZ THA JUB TO KEH RAHAY HAIN ISS KA SEEDA OR SAAF JAWAB YE THA .......... OR AGAY KEHTAY HAIN LAKIN BAAT KO YE KEH KAR AAYE GAYE KAR DI ............

 

YAHAN MAMEEN SAHIB KO YE FIKAR HAI ALAHAZRAT ALAIHI REHMAH NE FATWA KUFUR KISS PER LAGAYA OR KYON LAGAYA, APNAY APP KO MUTABEH SUNNAT KEHNA KIA JURUM HAI.

 

APP KE DONOON MOLVIOON KO YE JURUM LAGTA HAI. WO TO DONOON HALAT KO KUFUR KEH RAHAY HAIN. RAHI IMAM E AZAM KI KHUWAB KI BAAT TO MAIN NE PEHLAY BHI KAHA THA KAH SAFDAR KHAKARVI KE DALAIL SE DALAIL NA DO, TUM YAHAN DALAIL DO GE WAHAN JHANNUM KE GARHAY MAIN USS KE AZAAB MAIN IZAAFA HO RAHA HOGA. HAZRAT UMER RADI ALLAH ANHU PER SHIRK KE FATWAY KI WAJAH SE WESAY BHI WO JAL RAHA HOGA. TUM KYON USS KE AZAAB MAIN EZAFA KAR RAHAY HO.

 

ABHI THANVI KI KHAIR MANAO JISS PER AZAAB E QABAR SAALOON SE HO RAHA HAI, JISS KA HAAL MAIN AIK NAMOONA POORI DUNYA NE DEKHA, THANVI KI QABAR AZAB E QABAR KE PHAT GAYE. OR DEKHNAY WALOON KO ANDAR SIRF GALAZAT NAZAR AAYE.

 

NAJAMUDDIN SAHIB KO BHI THANVI SAHIB KE JAWAB PER ETIRAAZ HAI JUB HI TO LIKTAY HAIN ::

 

MUREED KI HAR BAAT KI TOJEEH KAR KE OR USS KA MUHABBAR KE DAIRAY MAIN LA KAR GHUSTAKHI BANAYEEN .........

HUM BHI YEHI KEHTAY HAIN THANVI KA JAWAB GHUSTKAHI HAI.

 

ASAL MAIN INKI APNI KOI SOOCH NAHI IN KI SOOCH IN KAY MOLVIOON KI FASIQ TAVEELAIN PER MABNI HAIN. HATTA KEH IN KO APNAY MOLVIOON KI KITABOON KA BHI NAHI MALOOM, KISS NE KIA KAHA HAI.

 

UB DEOBANDI KISS KI MANAIN MAMEEN KHAN SAHIB KI YA APNAY AKABIR MOLVIOON KI JIN KI NAZAR MAIN MUREED O PEER DONOON KAFIR HAIN.

[mameenkhn]

Khan aap Mere Khayal se Post perhte Nahi , Janab ko jaldi hoti Mr thanvi ki izzet bachane k leye . Imam e Ahle Sunnet ne Kis Cheez Per kalam Kia hai .. Oper Scan Mojood Hai Perhoo usko . Bachoon ki tarha Zidd Nahi kerte .

 

Wah rey Bay Sharmi .. Khan Saab aap ne Mr Thanvi ko bachane k leye Imam e Azam Abu Hanifa k Kahwab ka Sahara le lia ?? Khan Saab Aqal Na howe te Mojan hi Mojan .. Hum Khawab k oper Aiteraz Kab ker rahe hein ? aap ye bata dein humein k aap aiteraz Samjhne k PAise kitne Lain ge? ta k kuch de ker aap ko masla samjha dia jaye ,

 

 

Aap ne Kaha k "Hum Khawab k oper Aiteraz Kab ker rahe hein ?". to phir aap taabeer per aiteraaz ker rahay hain? Jo Taabeer Imam Abu Hanifa k Ustaad ne bataai kya unhon ne gustaakhi ki. Unhain bhi to imam sahab ko kehna chahiye tha k touba astaghfaar karo.

Mr thanvi k Mureeed ne Pehle Khawab Dekha us mein Kalima Thanvi k Naam ka perha phir Jaag gaya tu Thanvi ko Durood Shareef Mein Nabi Keh dia , Phir Sara Din Hi Yehi Khayal Raha . Yani Sara Din Thanvee k Naam ka kalma Aor Durood Main Usko Nabi Kehne ka Silsila Jari raha .

Aap ne ye ilzaam lagaya hai k wo mureed pura din Hazrat Thanvi k naam k kalma perta raha. Phir Sara Din Hi Yehi Khayal Raha. es ibarat se ye kahin nahi sabit hota k wo pura din Kalma o durood shareef perta raha. Aqal se kaam lo wo durood Nabi per bhejhna chahta tha, Hazrat Thanvi per nahi. lekin zuban qabu main nahi thi.

 

Is per aap k Mr thanvi ne bijaye us ko Toba ka kehne k Bilkul hi Khulli chutti de di . Mojan hi Mojan . Mere Naam ka kalma b perhoo , Durood mein mujhe nabi b kaho . aor reason kia de rahe hein k main Mutabbaye Sunnet hoon iska matleb hai k her mutabbay Sunnet ka Kalma perhna chaheye?

Hazrat Thanvi ne ye kab kaha k Mere Naam ka kalma b perhoo , Durood mein mujhe nabi b kaho

is baat ko sabit karo? Ye bhi sabit karo k Hazrat Thanvi ne Nabuwwat ka dawa kiya. Hum To Hazrat Thanvi ko Sahaba kya Balkay Taba Taabaeen aur Auwliya k khadmoon ki khaak samajhtay hain. Nabi shaan to bohat buland hai.

 

Sawal4,5,6,7 tu mere khayal se aap ne Number Berhane aor Post ko lamba kerne k leye likhe hein Aik hi Sawal ko Turor Muroor ker 4 baar likh dia wah ji wah .

 

Baat to jab thi k jab aap iin sawalon ka jawab detay. Aur apnay Imam e Ahle sunnat kay kamaskam Imaan hi sabit kertay? Yahan ien sawaloon k jab de ker aap kamaskam Ahmad Raza ka imaan hi sabit kerdo to bari baat hai. Ussay Imaam e Ahle sunnat kehna to bohat baad ki baad hogi. Tumharay jawabat ka intezaar rahay ga.

 

akhri sawal b Khoob Aqak na howe te Mojan hi Mojan ..! deogandi sab is ka matleb hai k jo b tumhare thanvi k is kalme ki baat ko quote kare woh kafir ho jaye ga . Isko Bay Gairti ki inteha na kahon tu kia kahon ?? K thanvi Apne aap ko Nabi Sun ker Apna Kalma Sun ker b kafir nahi hota ?? Perhne Wala thanvi ko Nabi Maan ker b kafir nahi hota ?? Jis molvi ne ye Kalma apni kitab mein likha woh kafir nahi hota?? jo deobandi isko aj tak perh rahe hein woh kafir nahi hota? likin ager hum quote ker dein tu kafir ban jate hein

 

JAD sahab ne jo Kalmay k pehlay juz main Ashraf Ali likha hai wo apni taraf se likha hai. Na Hazrat Thanvi ne aisa kaha na Mureed ne aisa kaha. JAD sahab ne abhi tak apni ghalti bhi nahi tasleem ki.

 

End k oper topic se related kuch Sawal

 

1. Kia Kisi ko Nabi keh dene k baad Sirf roo Lena Kafi hota hai? Ya toba b kerni chaheye

2. Kia kisi k Naam ka kalma Perh lene k baad Sirf Roo Lena aor Udaas ho jana kafi hai? ya toba b

3. 1 nahi 2 nahi balke poora din kisi ki Zuban us k control mein na ho .. aisa mumkin hai ?

4. kiya Apne Naam ka kalma Sun ker apna aap ko Mutabbay Sunnat keh dena kafi hai ?(k us ne nabi is leye kaha hai k main Sunnet per chalta hoon )

 

1. Us ne Nabi nahi kaha, bulkay uski Zuban se Nabi k naam ki jaga Ashraf Ali nikal gaya. dono baatoon main farq hai. Aap ye bataao k pura din aap khabhi roee ho? such such batana. Rona bhi aik tarhan ki tauba hoti hai. Makhki k per k barabar ansoon Jahannum k samandaroon ko bhuja detay hai.

 

2. Ye to sabit karo k us ne bedaari main kalma perha hai. phir iska jawab le lena.

 

3. Us nay kaha hai pura din aisa khayal raha, ye nahi kaha k pura din durood perta raha. Majzuuboon k waqiat to aap ki kitaaboon main bharay paray hain phir bhi aap mujh se sawal kertay hain.

 

4. Pehli baat Ghair e Nabi ka khawab qatai nahi hota. Duusry baat haam ya Hazrat Thanvi kab ye asraar ker rahay hain k uun ki de gai taabeer ko maano. Ham to bas ye keh rahay hain k taabeer k denay ki waja se kafir na kaho. Warna phir Imam Abu hanifa k ustaad per bhi kufur ka fatwa lagaao. Qabar e Mubarak ko ukhaerna koi maamuuli baat nahi ye to aap jantay hi hain.

 

 

@@JAD DUL MUKHTAR

 

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Edited 1 ستمبر 2009 by mameenkhn