Salar Raza مراسلہ: 5 جون 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 5 جون 2009 ye Misyar kia hota hai ?? Shia Mutah kerte hain , aor wahabi misyar ? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 11 جون 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 جون 2009 ye Misyar kia hota hai ??Shia Mutah kerte hain , aor wahabi misyar ? Janab Salar-e-Raza sahib, Haqeeqat to ye hia ke mujhye bhi ilm nahin tha ke ye "Misyar" kia hai (isi se is ka humarye darmiyan waqo' pazir hona ya na hona zahir hai) lakin is waqt tak jo kuch mjye mil saka hai, woh filhal aap ke gosh guzar raha hon Criticism of misyar Islamic scholars like Ibn Uthaimeen or Al-Albani claim, for their part, that misyar marriage may be legal, but not moral. They agree that the wife can at any time, reclaim the rights which she gave up at the time of contract.[8] But, they are opposed to this type of marriage on the grounds that it contradicts the spirit of the Islamic law of marriage and that it has perverse effects on the woman, the family and the community in general. For Al-Albani, misyar marriage may even be considered as illicit, because it runs counter to the objectives and the spirit of marriage in Islam, as described in this verse from the Quran : “And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts)…” Al-Albani also underlines the social problems which result from the “misyar” marriage, particularly in the event that children are born from this union. The children raised by their mother in a home from which the father is always absent, without reason, may suffer difficulties.[10] The situation becomes even worse if the wife is abandoned or repudiated by her husband "misyar", with no means of subsistence, as usually happens. As for Ibn Uthaymeen, he recognizes the legality of “misyar” marriage from the Shariah standpoint, but considers that it should be opposed because it has been turned into a real merchandise that is being marketed on a large scale by “marriage agencies”, with no relation to the nature of Islamic marriage. Critics of this marriage observe, more generally, that this type of marriage usually ends up in divorce, eventually. As a result the wife finds herself abandoned, to lead a solitary life as before the marriage, but traumatised by the experience, while her social status and reputation degraded. The proponents of the misyar marriage, though they recognise that it can result in problems, observe that it doesn’t have a monopoly on them. The problems result, more generally, from the way in which people apply the rules of the Shariah. Today, in a large number of Muslim countries, there are official family and marriage law codes whose provisions wouldn't allow the conclusion of a marriage of the misyar type. However, in a number of Gulf States essentially, misyar marriage is accepted by the community, and is usually arranged privately, through a notary and with no publicity. A comparison with Nikah Mut’ah Some traits of the misyar marriage are reminiscent of the Nikah Mut'ah which is practised by Shī‘a Muslims, although it is considered as illicit by Sunnis.[11] The difference is that the Mut'ah is based on a contract with a fixed date of expiry; also, a mut'ah does not require witnesses, but a misyar does. Despite these differences, Shī‘a opinion holds that the misyar is similar to the mut'ah and that the latter fills a necessary social function. Yaqeen hai kuch to ilm main izafa hoga, is ke ilawa main khud bhi kisi aalim se rojoo karonga Abdul Salam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 23 جون 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 جون 2009 Janab Salar-e-Raza sahib, Haqeeqat to ye hia ke mujhye bhi ilm nahin tha ke ye "Misyar" kia hai (isi se is ka humarye darmiyan waqo' pazir hona ya na hona zahir hai) lakin is waqt tak jo kuch mjye mil saka hai, woh filhal aap ke gosh guzar raha hon Criticism of misyar Islamic scholars like Ibn Uthaimeen or Al-Albani claim, for their part, that misyar marriage may be legal, but not moral. They agree that the wife can at any time, reclaim the rights which she gave up at the time of contract.[8] But, they are opposed to this type of marriage on the grounds that it contradicts the spirit of the Islamic law of marriage and that it has perverse effects on the woman, the family and the community in general. For Al-Albani, misyar marriage may even be considered as illicit, because it runs counter to the objectives and the spirit of marriage in Islam, as described in this verse from the Quran : “And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts)…” Al-Albani also underlines the social problems which result from the “misyar” marriage, particularly in the event that children are born from this union. The children raised by their mother in a home from which the father is always absent, without reason, may suffer difficulties.[10] The situation becomes even worse if the wife is abandoned or repudiated by her husband "misyar", with no means of subsistence, as usually happens. As for Ibn Uthaymeen, he recognizes the legality of “misyar” marriage from the Shariah standpoint, but considers that it should be opposed because it has been turned into a real merchandise that is being marketed on a large scale by “marriage agencies”, with no relation to the nature of Islamic marriage. Critics of this marriage observe, more generally, that this type of marriage usually ends up in divorce, eventually. As a result the wife finds herself abandoned, to lead a solitary life as before the marriage, but traumatised by the experience, while her social status and reputation degraded. The proponents of the misyar marriage, though they recognise that it can result in problems, observe that it doesn’t have a monopoly on them. The problems result, more generally, from the way in which people apply the rules of the Shariah. Today, in a large number of Muslim countries, there are official family and marriage law codes whose provisions wouldn't allow the conclusion of a marriage of the misyar type. However, in a number of Gulf States essentially, misyar marriage is accepted by the community, and is usually arranged privately, through a notary and with no publicity. </a> A comparison with Nikah Mut’ah Some traits of the misyar marriage are reminiscent of the Nikah <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mut%27ah" target="_blank">Mut'ah which is practised by Shī‘a Muslims, although it is considered as illicit by Sunnis.[11] The difference is that the Mut'ah is based on a contract with a fixed date of expiry; also, a mut'ah does not require witnesses, but a misyar does. Despite these differences, Shī‘a opinion holds that the misyar is similar to the mut'ah and that the latter fills a necessary social function. Yaqeen hai kuch to ilm main izafa hoga, is ke ilawa main khud bhi kisi aalim se rojoo karonga Abdul Salam Those Wahabis who support Misyar which is in reality Mutah in new packaging, I have few questions: * Can I have Misyar with your sister if she agrees to it? * Would you agree to it if your daughter was offered a Misyar Nikkah? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 4 جولائی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 4 جولائی 2009 Those Wahabis who support Misyar which is in reality Mutah in new packaging, I have few questions: * Can I have Misyar with your sister if she agrees to it? * Would you agree to it if your daughter was offered a Misyar Nikkah? Yeh toh huwi nah Shi'yoon wali harkat, pehlay sab Muta ko sabit kernay bagay aatay hen, jab meh kehta hoon kon apni behan ko ek raat kay leyeh Muta kerwahay ga meray saath, agir kohi apni behan ko offer keray ga toh phir meh yaqeen ker loon ga kay aap nay nazdeek Muta pakeeza, achi, aur deen kee ek zeroori ahkam heh, kohi be nahin manta saray gaali shoroon ho jatay hen., Wesay soch raha hoon kia Seikh Al Hadith Muhaddith Al Baani would he be okay if his sister and daughter was to contract a Misyaar with a secrect lover, How about Ibn Baaz he would surely be gladly offer his sister and duaghter in Misyar to their secret lovers, he wouldnt want to spoil their jawani would he! Begherato agir gherat heh toh bhookay kuttoon kay agay chalang laga doh, warna begharti aur mutta parasti meh doob maro. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salar Raza مراسلہ: 4 جولائی 2009 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 4 جولائی 2009 lol Ali bhai lagta hai aap ne dukhti ragg per hath rakh dia tha , kisi ne Anti hadees ne aapki baat ka jawab nahi dia lol , Sawal thora sakhet ho gaya tha mere khayal se:D ap kin se ghairet khane ki appeal ker rahe hein ? jo apne behan k sath nikah ko jaiz samjhte hein !(talib ur rahman wahabi salafi's new fatwa) اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 4 جولائی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 4 جولائی 2009 lol Ali bhai lagta hai aap ne dukhti ragg per hath rakh dia tha , kisi ne Anti hadees ne aapki baat ka jawab nahi dia lol , Sawal thora sakhet ho gaya tha mere khayal se:D ap kin se ghairet khane ki appeal ker rahe hein ? jo apne behan k sath nikah ko jaiz samjhte hein !(talib ur rahman wahabi salafi's new fatwa) Talib Rehman aur us kee behan kee Ashiqi ho gaee hogi, behan kay leyeh dewana ho gaya hoga is'see leyeh behan kay saath Nikkah ko jaiz likha heh. Jangli kuttay, aur Khanazeeroon aur janwaroon ka tareeka heh kay maan, behan, beti meh tameez nahin kertay, balkay sab kay saath jismani rishta qahim kertay hen. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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