Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 To all Muslims Wesye to main pehlye bhi apnye kuch khayalat ka izhar is ziman main kar chuka hon..... lakin afsoos ke saath kehna per raha hai ke hum sab ne apni derh aint ki masjid bana kar khud ko alag kar liya hai...... Dunya bhar main is waqt ji kuch ho raha hai, us per main or meri tarha ke or bohat sarye mujh se bohat hi behtar logon ko tashweesh hai...... lakin ghor karain hum sab kis tarha halat se aankhyen chura kar apnye apnye masailon ko bara maan kar isi main uljhye hoye hain.... Ye woh waqt hai jub ke, agar hum apnye aap ko musalman kehtye hain or mantye hain to humye apny tamam ikhtilaf bhula kar aik honye ki zaroorat hai.... dunya islam ko kis nehaj per lejana chahti hai woh aap tamam log dekh hi rahye hongye.. to meri guzarish ye hai ke tamam ikhtilafat ko bhula kar Kuffar(Hinduon) o Mushrekeen ke samnye seena sapar honye ki zaroorat hai...... kion ke Islam sirf Namaz, Roza, Zakat, Haj hi ka naam nahin bulkye jab deen per aanch aa jaye to phir kafiron, mushrikon, yahodion ke hilaf larnye ka naam bhi hai or us ke khilaf jis tarha bhi ho sakye jawab dena bhi hai.... To aap tamam logon se, jo ke apnye aap ko musalman kehtye hain, se guzarish hai ke is TOPIC per sirf wohi baat karain jo ke sirf or sirf Mushrikon, Yahooodion, Kuffar ke khilaf ho na ke kisi maslak ke khilaf...main ye nahin kehta ke aap sab kuch bhool jayen bulkye ye kehta hon ke "put all your hates and diffrences aside" or mil ker aik saff bana lain. Is ke ilawa mustaqbil main is saff ko kesye or behtar banana hai sisilye main mashwarh bhi darkar (required) hoga.. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Wesay yeh title Shirkia heh aap ko pata heh nah, Islam kay naam per ek hona, Islam toh Allah ka naam nahin yeh toh ghairullah heh, Allah kay naam per ek ho jaho, yeh hona chahyeh thah, Shirk say toba keren aur Kalmah peren aap nay ghairullah kay naam per ittihaad ka likha heh, aap ko pata heh nay joh ghairullah kay naam per kaam ho woh aap kay mazhib meh SHIRK MUSHRIK HO JATA HEH, JISTERA geeyarween ham Seikh Abdul Qaadir kay naam kee detay hen toh aap logh kehtay hen kay soowar say be ziyada haram heh geeyarween ka khana, halan kay Seikh Abdul Qaadir ko ham sirf isaal e sawaab krtay hen. Ibadat Allah kee kertay hen aur phir hadiyatan tohfatan sawab Allah kee barga meh pesh kertay hen aur dua kertay hen kay ya Allah is ka sawab ham Seikh Abdul Qadir Jilaani kee rooh ko isaal kertay hen qabool o maqbool farma. Geeyarween sirf ek title heh, magir hoti is meh Ibadat e Illahi heh, us ko Talib ur Rehman jesa soowar kee ulaad soowar say haram bakkay, toh ISLAM KAY NAAM PER ITTIHAAD jis meh kohi ibadat hee nahin woh kuttoon, soowooroon jesa, randiyoon, tawahifoon, kanjriyoon amaal e fahisha say be ziyada haram hoga ya nahin? Aap zera apnay maslak e Ahle Haddith kay mutabiq is kay mutaliq farmahen kay ghairullah kay naam per ITTIHAD shirk HEH YA NAHIN, aur ghairullah kay naam per ittihaad kerna SOOWAR, KUTTAY, say bee ziyada haram heh ya nahin? Wesay Wahabi'at, Shi'at, Deobandiat, say Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat ka kohi be fard ITTEHAD keray, toh woh dahira e Ahle Sunnat say kharij heh, keyun kay Allah kay Rasool kee sunnat: Jihaadal Kuffara Wal Munafiqeena heh, ham kaffiroon aur Munafiqeen kay khilaaf sunnat e RasoolAllah, hukam e illahi ko chor ker ittihad nahin ker saktay sirf JIHAAD ker saktay hen. Laakh martay hen meren, pura pakistan taba hota ho jahay, keror urateh bewa hoti hen ho jahen, 16 keror auratoon kee abroo ko loota jahay, 3 billion musalmanoon ka qatal hota heh toh ho jahay, magir AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMMAT ittihaad nah keray gee, aur nah kernay wala SUNNI heh. Aur aakhir meh arz heh jin ko aap MUSHRIK yehni woh kaffir joh Allah ka shareek manta heh kehtay hen, grave worshipper, yehni woh kaffri joh ghairullah kee ibadat kerta heh, Biddati yehni deen ko badal denay wala jis ko RasoolAllah Kausar ka paani nahin denh gay apnay saay door ker denh gay, aap un BARELWIYOON ko jin per aap SHIRK, BIDDATI, MUSHRIK, kay fatwah subho say leh ker shaam taq lagatay hen, un KAFFIROON say ittihad kerna chahtay hen? Aap kay mazhib meh Barelwi say ISLAM KAY NAAM PER ITTIHAAD kerna essa hee heh jesay HINDU say ISLAM kay naam per ittihad kerna heh, aho HINDU baee tum ham say aur ham tum say ISLAM ki bunyad per ittihad kertay hen. Aap samaj gahay hoon gay kay Hindu aur musalman ka ittihad ISLAM kay naam per kohi mazboot ittihad nahin sirf naam ka hee ittihad heh, ittihad kee asal bunyaad nazriyaat hen, aqahid hen, jis kism ka ittihad aap kerna chahtay hen woh hawan kay jonkay say urh jahay ga majooda dor kee handiyoon tofanon meh us ka sabit rehna ek pal bee possiable nahin ho sakta. Kaffiroon ko laranay kay leyeh sirf ek hee sawaal kaafi heh: "Wahabiyoon/Deobandiyoon kay peechay namaz jahiz heh?", "Khilafat bila fasal ka haq kis ka thah?", "Barelwi Mushrik hen ya nahin?" yeh teen sawaal puri Ummat ko laranay kay leyeh kaafi hen, kia Shia jis nay Ittihaad keeya heh woh yeh kahay ga kay Abu Bakr radiallah tallah ka haq thah, kia Sunni Deobandi Wahabi kay peechay namaz pernay ka fatwah deh ga? Kia Wahabi apnay warsa e Shirk Biddat ko chor ker Sunni ko Muwahid maanay ga? Ummat meh ittihad sirf aur sirf ek hee waja say ho sakta heh kay sab insaan ek aqeedah, ek maslak apna lenh, toh ittihad qahim ho sakta heh, magir yeh be nahin ho sakta keyun kay RasoolAllah ka farmaan heh kay meri Ummat 73 firqoon meh battay gee, abh 73 firqoon meh bat'tay toh ittihad kesay rahay ga, ittihad joh thah woh 73 firkoon meh bat gaya. Yeh ittihad, yeh Ummat 73 firqoon, 73 tuqroon meh bata heh. Jahan taq khaadim ka mutalia heh Hadith e dor e fitan ka toh kohi ek be hadith nahin jis meh RasoolAllah nay farmaya ho kay ittihad say ummat tabahi say bachay gee, magir yeh farmaya kay dor e fitan meh mard ko chahyeh kay apni talwar ko pathar per maray, yehni kabil e istimaal nah choray, jangloon meh chala jahay aur darakhtoon kee jaren bee khaana peren to khahay aur us waqt taq rahay jab taq us ko is halat meh moth nahin aati, farmaya jammat kay saath raho, joh us say ek haath be hata gumrahi meh perh gaya ... farmaya qayamat kee nishaani heh kay harj bot hoga yehni qatal e aam hoga, marnay walay ko yeh pata nahin keyun mar raha heh aur marnay walay ko yeh pata nahin hoga keyun mara gaya heh, welcome to the suicide bombers ... beguna logoon ko maar deeya jata heh ... Is dor meh ittihaad nahin, zubaan ko lagam dena, nafs ko qabooh meh kerna behtreen tareeka heh, yeh fitnoon ka dor heh yeh joh kuch ho raha heh alamaat e qayamat kee nishaniyan hen, aur Ummat kee tabahi kee khabr RasoolAllah nay deh deeh thee 72 jahanumi hen sirf ek jannati, abh us ITTIHAAD ka achaar dalna heh jab 72 jahanumi hoon gay, dunyavi ittihad say chalo jaan maal bachay ga, qayamat kay din jahanum kee aag say yeh ittihad bacha leh ga kia? Ittihad haq per, ittihad Quran o Sunnat kee talimat per, ittihad aqahid per, ho toh ittihad dunya aur aakhirat meh faida mand hoga. Yeh zamana woh nahin kay UMMAT ko bachahen, yeh woh zamana heh kay apnay IMAAN ISLAM ko bachahen, aap kee zummedari aap ka imaan heh us ko mafooz keren aur azaab e jahanum say bachen, baqi, jinna khadiyan gajran bet'h una deh peer, joh jis nay keeya so baray ga ... jannat sirf amaal say nahin aur naah hee sirf aqahid say millay gee, agir jannat sirf achay amaal say milti toh phir KHARIJI jannati hotay, jannat sahih aqahid, aur amaal e saleh say millay gee, ittihad e ummat say nahin, ummat kee fikr nah kren keyun kay Ummat kay saath joh hona heh us ka biyaan RasoolAllah nay farma deeya heh, apni sochen kahan say ahay hen kahan jana heh ... Baqi khadim kee taraf say aap ko ek advice heh, Surah Fatihah qasrat aur khaloos e Niyat say pera keren, aur Allah say hidayat kee dua keren, apnay leeyh be aur auroon kay leyeh be. Aur abhi aap ka dil zinda heh ... bot kam logh esay hotay hen joh aap kee tera sochtay hen, meh aap kay points say ittifaq toh nahin kerta magir achi niyat ko sarhata hoon. Aur behas o mubaisay meh nah peren is'say ek dil azaari hoti heh apni bee aur mukhalifeen kee, dosra nafrat barti heh, tesra joh masoom dil itna paleet ho jata heh kay haq o batal kee tameez nahin rehti. Aur agir ikhtilaafi masail ko samajna heh toh sirf mukhalif say sawaal keren, aur joh jawab millay us per ghor keren, aur joh nateeja niklay ghor o fikr kay baad us kay mutabiq phir sawaal keren, aur ek sawaal ek din keren, aur jawaab ko sochen kay yeh baat kis asool kay mutabiq darust ho sakti heh, aur kon say asool kay mutabiq ghalat ho sakti heh. Khaadim be kissi zamanay meh Deobandiyat say hota huwa 6 saal Deobandi, 2 saal Wahabi, aur phir alhamdulillah Sunni huwa, apni aqal aur Quran O Hadith per ihtibaar keren, khud sochen, bunyaadi asool seekhen, Biddat kee tareef, Shirk kee Tareef, Tawheed, Ibadat kee tareef, jab yeh sab seekh lenh toh aakhir meh Shirk: 'Partial Partner' aur 'Equal Partner' ko samjen, us kay baad aap kay leyeh ikhtilaafi masail ko samajna mushkil nahin hoga balkay aap is kabil ho jahen gay kay khud masail ko samaj saken aur auroon kee madad nahin chahyeh hogi. Khaadim nay sakhti kee heh masail ko biyaan kernay meh us kay leyeh mazrat khawah hoon, yeh nateeja heh behas omubaisoon ka kay tabiat sakhti ho chuki heh, narmi aur shaguftgi tabiyat meh nahin rahi, mera andaaz e biyaan wohi heh joh Deobandi Wahabiyoon say seekha, andaaz un ka aqahid Sunniyoon kay nateeja meh. Allah tallah aap kay ilm o amal meh barkat deh aur deen ko samajnay kee tofeeq deh, ameen. 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Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Wesay yeh title Shirkia heh aap ko pata heh nah, Islam kay naam per ek hona, Islam toh Allah ka naam nahin yeh toh ghairullah heh, Allah kay naam per ek ho jaho, yeh hona chahyeh thah, Shirk say toba keren aur Kalmah peren aap nay ghairullah kay naam per ittihaad ka likha heh, aap ko pata heh nay joh ghairullah kay naam per kaam ho woh aap kay mazhib meh SHIRK MUSHRIK HO JATA HEH, JISTERA geeyarween ham Seikh Abdul Qaadir kay naam kee detay hen toh aap logh kehtay hen kay soowar say be ziyada haram heh geeyarween ka khana, halan kay Seikh Abdul Qaadir ko ham sirf isaal e sawaab krtay hen. Ibadat Allah kee kertay hen aur phir hadiyatan tohfatan sawab Allah kee barga meh pesh kertay hen aur dua kertay hen kay ya Allah is ka sawab ham Seikh Abdul Qadir Jilaani kee rooh ko isaal kertay hen qabool o maqbool farma. Geeyarween sirf ek title heh, magir hoti is meh Ibadat e Illahi heh, us ko Talib ur Rehman jesa soowar kee ulaad soowar say haram bakkay, toh ISLAM KAY NAAM PER ITTIHAAD jis meh kohi ibadat hee nahin woh kuttoon, soowooroon jesa, randiyoon, tawahifoon, kanjriyoon amaal e fahisha say be ziyada haram hoga ya nahin? Aap zera apnay maslak e Ahle Haddith kay mutabiq is kay mutaliq farmahen kay ghairullah kay naam per ITTIHAD shirk HEH YA NAHIN, aur ghairullah kay naam per ittihaad kerna SOOWAR, KUTTAY, say bee ziyada haram heh ya nahin? Wesay Wahabi'at, Shi'at, Deobandiat, say Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat ka kohi be fard ITTEHAD keray, toh woh dahira e Ahle Sunnat say kharij heh, keyun kay Allah kay Rasool kee sunnat: Jihaadal Kuffara Wal Munafiqeena heh, ham kaffiroon aur Munafiqeen kay khilaaf sunnat e RasoolAllah, hukam e illahi ko chor ker ittihad nahin ker saktay sirf JIHAAD ker saktay hen. Laakh martay hen meren, pura pakistan taba hota ho jahay, keror urateh bewa hoti hen ho jahen, 16 keror auratoon kee abroo ko loota jahay, 3 billion musalmanoon ka qatal hota heh toh ho jahay, magir AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMMAT ittihaad nah keray gee, aur nah kernay wala SUNNI heh. Aur aakhir meh arz heh jin ko aap MUSHRIK yehni woh kaffir joh Allah ka shareek manta heh kehtay hen, grave worshipper, yehni woh kaffri joh ghairullah kee ibadat kerta heh, Biddati yehni deen ko badal denay wala jis ko RasoolAllah Kausar ka paani nahin denh gay apnay saay door ker denh gay, aap un BARELWIYOON ko jin per aap SHIRK, BIDDATI, MUSHRIK, kay fatwah subho say leh ker shaam taq lagatay hen, un KAFFIROON say ittihad kerna chahtay hen? Aap kay mazhib meh Barelwi say ISLAM KAY NAAM PER ITTIHAAD kerna essa hee heh jesay HINDU say ISLAM kay naam per ittihad kerna heh, aho HINDU baee tum ham say aur ham tum say ISLAM ki bunyad per ittihad kertay hen. Aap samaj gahay hoon gay kay Hindu aur musalman ka ittihad ISLAM kay naam per kohi mazboot ittihad nahin sirf naam ka hee ittihad heh, ittihad kee asal bunyaad nazriyaat hen, aqahid hen, jis kism ka ittihad aap kerna chahtay hen woh hawan kay jonkay say urh jahay ga majooda dor kee handiyoon tofanon meh us ka sabit rehna ek pal bee possiable nahin ho sakta. Kaffiroon ko laranay kay leyeh sirf ek hee sawaal kaafi heh: "Wahabiyoon/Deobandiyoon kay peechay namaz jahiz heh?", "Khilafat bila fasal ka haq kis ka thah?", "Barelwi Mushrik hen ya nahin?" yeh teen sawaal puri Ummat ko laranay kay leyeh kaafi hen, kia Shia jis nay Ittihaad keeya heh woh yeh kahay ga kay Abu Bakr radiallah tallah ka haq thah, kia Sunni Deobandi Wahabi kay peechay namaz pernay ka fatwah deh ga? Kia Wahabi apnay warsa e Shirk Biddat ko chor ker Sunni ko Muwahid maanay ga? Ummat meh ittihad sirf aur sirf ek hee waja say ho sakta heh kay sab insaan ek aqeedah, ek maslak apna lenh, toh ittihad qahim ho sakta heh, magir yeh be nahin ho sakta keyun kay RasoolAllah ka farmaan heh kay meri Ummat 73 firqoon meh battay gee, abh 73 firqoon meh bat'tay toh ittihad kesay rahay ga, ittihad joh thah woh 73 firkoon meh bat gaya. Yeh ittihad, yeh Ummat 73 firqoon, 73 tuqroon meh bata heh. Jahan taq khaadim ka mutalia heh Hadith e dor e fitan ka toh kohi ek be hadith nahin jis meh RasoolAllah nay farmaya ho kay ittihad say ummat tabahi say bachay gee, magir yeh farmaya kay dor e fitan meh mard ko chahyeh kay apni talwar ko pathar per maray, yehni kabil e istimaal nah choray, jangloon meh chala jahay aur darakhtoon kee jaren bee khaana peren to khahay aur us waqt taq rahay jab taq us ko is halat meh moth nahin aati, farmaya jammat kay saath raho, joh us say ek haath be hata gumrahi meh perh gaya ... farmaya qayamat kee nishaani heh kay harj bot hoga yehni qatal e aam hoga, marnay walay ko yeh pata nahin keyun mar raha heh aur marnay walay ko yeh pata nahin hoga keyun mara gaya heh, welcome to the suicide bombers ... beguna logoon ko maar deeya jata heh ... Is dor meh ittihaad nahin, zubaan ko lagam dena, nafs ko qabooh meh kerna behtreen tareeka heh, yeh fitnoon ka dor heh yeh joh kuch ho raha heh alamaat e qayamat kee nishaniyan hen, aur Ummat kee tabahi kee khabr RasoolAllah nay deh deeh thee 72 jahanumi hen sirf ek jannati, abh us ITTIHAAD ka achaar dalna heh jab 72 jahanumi hoon gay, dunyavi ittihad say chalo jaan maal bachay ga, qayamat kay din jahanum kee aag say yeh ittihad bacha leh ga kia? Ittihad haq per, ittihad Quran o Sunnat kee talimat per, ittihad aqahid per, ho toh ittihad dunya aur aakhirat meh faida mand hoga. Yeh zamana woh nahin kay UMMAT ko bachahen, yeh woh zamana heh kay apnay IMAAN ISLAM ko bachahen, aap kee zummedari aap ka imaan heh us ko mafooz keren aur azaab e jahanum say bachen, baqi, jinna khadiyan gajran bet'h una deh peer, joh jis nay keeya so baray ga ... jannat sirf amaal say nahin aur naah hee sirf aqahid say millay gee, agir jannat sirf achay amaal say milti toh phir KHARIJI jannati hotay, jannat sahih aqahid, aur amaal e saleh say millay gee, ittihad e ummat say nahin, ummat kee fikr nah kren keyun kay Ummat kay saath joh hona heh us ka biyaan RasoolAllah nay farma deeya heh, apni sochen kahan say ahay hen kahan jana heh ... Baqi khadim kee taraf say aap ko ek advice heh, Surah Fatihah qasrat aur khaloos e Niyat say pera keren, aur Allah say hidayat kee dua keren, apnay leeyh be aur auroon kay leyeh be. Aur abhi aap ka dil zinda heh ... bot kam logh esay hotay hen joh aap kee tera sochtay hen, meh aap kay points say ittifaq toh nahin kerta magir achi niyat ko sarhata hoon. Aur behas o mubaisay meh nah peren is'say ek dil azaari hoti heh apni bee aur mukhalifeen kee, dosra nafrat barti heh, tesra joh masoom dil itna paleet ho jata heh kay haq o batal kee tameez nahin rehti. Aur agir ikhtilaafi masail ko samajna heh toh sirf mukhalif say sawaal keren, aur joh jawab millay us per ghor keren, aur joh nateeja niklay ghor o fikr kay baad us kay mutabiq phir sawaal keren, aur ek sawaal ek din keren, aur jawaab ko sochen kay yeh baat kis asool kay mutabiq darust ho sakti heh, aur kon say asool kay mutabiq ghalat ho sakti heh. Khaadim be kissi zamanay meh Deobandiyat say hota huwa 6 saal Deobandi, 2 saal Wahabi, aur phir alhamdulillah Sunni huwa, apni aqal aur Quran O Hadith per ihtibaar keren, khud sochen, bunyaadi asool seekhen, Biddat kee tareef, Shirk kee Tareef, Tawheed, Ibadat kee tareef, jab yeh sab seekh lenh toh aakhir meh Shirk: 'Partial Partner' aur 'Equal Partner' ko samjen, us kay baad aap kay leyeh ikhtilaafi masail ko samajna mushkil nahin hoga balkay aap is kabil ho jahen gay kay khud masail ko samaj saken aur auroon kee madad nahin chahyeh hogi. Khaadim nay sakhti kee heh masail ko biyaan kernay meh us kay leyeh mazrat khawah hoon, yeh nateeja heh behas omubaisoon ka kay tabiat sakhti ho chuki heh, narmi aur shaguftgi tabiyat meh nahin rahi, mera andaaz e biyaan wohi heh joh Deobandi Wahabiyoon say seekha, andaaz un ka aqahid Sunniyoon kay nateeja meh. Allah tallah aap kay ilm o amal meh barkat deh aur deen ko samajnay kee tofeeq deh, ameen. Ali {Laakh martay hen meren, pura pakistan taba hota ho jahay, keror urateh bewa hoti hen ho jahen, 16 keror auratoon kee abroo ko loota jahay, 3 billion musalmanoon ka qatal hota heh toh ho jahay, magir AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMMAT ittihaad nah keray gee, aur nah kernay wala SUNNI heh.} Baighairtee dikhai aap ne apni aur apne bralviyat ka aaina dikhaya ispar koi hairat nahi hoi na hi aap ki language par koi hairat hay..kionke sab jaante hein jahan par puri dunya ki beghairtee kahtam hoti hay waha bralvion ki beghairtee shroo hoti hay hay.. Tumharay nazdeek Shah Ahmed Noorani Sunni hay kay nahi..usne Jamat Islami , aur Jamiat Ulema Islam say Ittehad kia tha..(ISLAMI JUMHORI ITTIHAD 1998) to kia Noorani mian sunni na thay..tumharay khiyal say wo jahil tha????? iska jawab do.. Abdul Salam bhai ne ghalti ki ye baat karke..kionke mushrikon se ittihaad nahi hota.. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 {Laakh martay hen meren, pura pakistan taba hota ho jahay, keror urateh bewa hoti hen ho jahen, 16 keror auratoon kee abroo ko loota jahay, 3 billion musalmanoon ka qatal hota heh toh ho jahay, magir AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMMAT ittihaad nah keray gee, aur nah kernay wala SUNNI heh.}Baighairtee dikhai aap ne apni aur apne bralviyat ka aaina dikhaya ispar koi hairat nahi hoi na hi aap ki language par koi hairat hay..kionke sab jaante hein jahan par puri dunya ki beghairtee kahtam hoti hay waha bralvion ki beghairtee shroo hoti hay hay.. Tumharay nazdeek Shah Ahmed Noorani Sunni hay kay nahi..usne Jamat Islami , aur Jamiat Ulema Islam say Ittehad kia tha..(ISLAMI JUMHORI ITTIHAD 1998) to kia Noorani mian sunni na thay..tumharay khiyal say wo jahil tha????? iska jawab do.. Abdul Salam bhai ne ghalti ki ye baat karke..kionke mushrikon se ittihaad nahi hota.. Ha! ha! Is ko ziyada dard huwa heh ... Loh jee Mualana Noorani nay joh keeya woh khatam e Nabuwat, khatamiat e Muhammedi kay leyeh keya thah, agir un'noon nay ittihad is mafoom meh keeya kay aap hammaray aqahid e bad ko bura nah kaho aur ham aap kay ko nahin kahen gay toh bila shak o shuba gumrahi o zalalat gireh, aur agir ittihad is mafoom meh keeya kay khatamiat e muhammedi kay tahhafuz kay leyeh toh kohi harj nahin. Agir un'noon nay yeh kaha ho kay meh Deobandiyoon kay buray aqahid ko bura nahin kahoon ga toh bila shak o shuba gumrahi o zalalat meh gireh, aur agir Ahle Sunnat kay maslak kay mutabiq yehni joh un ka bura thah bura jana aur bura biyaan kertay rahay phir kohi harj nah keeya. Istera toh Munafiqeen be mojood thay Sahabah kay saath, Sahabah nay un kay buri batoon ko bura biyaan keeya, un kay leyeh narm gosha nah rakha ... magir jahan zeroorat peri wahan per munafiqeen kay khilaaf dat gahay, yeh aqahid o nazriyat ko tanqeedi nishana bananay ka ittihad nahin thah, magir Sahabah nay jab bee moqa paya munafiqeen ka rad keeya. Is'see tera Maulna Noorani nay ittihad keeya sirf Khatamiat per, ittihad sirf Aqeedah e Khatamiat per thah, Deobandiat Wahabiat kay aqahid o nazriyat e kuffria o biddat per nahin thah. Agir woh kehtay tum RasoolAllah ko mazallah astaghfirullah chammar say zaleel likho meh tummeh kuch nahin kahoon ga aur tum meri geeyarween ko kuch nah kaho toh bila shak o shuba jahalat o gumrahi meh gireh, Deobandiyoon Wahabiyoon meh joh bura thah ussay bura jaan ker maan ker agir Khatamiat kay Muhammedi kay leyeh laray toh kuch bura nahin keeya. Meh nay ayaat e Quran pesh kee: Jihaadal kuffara wal munafiqeena, yehni Jihaad kero kaffiroon aur munafiqeen kay khilaaf, abh agir Maulana Noorani nay Deobandi Wahabiyoon Shiyoon ko kaha kay tum hammeh kuch nah kaho ham tummeh kuch nahin kehtay toh bilqul Quran kee talimat kay khilaaf keeya, keyun kay kaffiroon aur munafiqeen kay khilaaf jihaad kee taleem Quran deta heh. Kaffiroon kay khilaaf Jihaadi e Saifi, aur Munafiqeen kay khilaaf Jihaad e Qalmi, abh is ko tarq kerna gumrahi heh. Maulana Noorani kay bayanaat sunyeh, un'noon nay Deobandiyoon Wahabiyoon kay saath ittihad sirf khatamiat kay wastay ittihad keeya, aur Allah ka shukar thah kay woh mojood thay, warna Mirza Masroor nay Deobandiyoon kay Mehmood ko esa Tazeeer Un Naas kee ibarat per pansaya thah kay jaan churwani mushkil ho gaee thee. Jab Mehmood ko litr peray toh Maulana Noorani nay uth ker biyaan keeya kay Tazeer Un Naas kee ibarat kuffria heh, aur Mehmood Deobandi wesay chavlen maar raha heh, judges nay kaha kay aap is ka saboot pesh keren kay kissi nay in ibaraat ko kuffria likha ho, toh Maulana Noorani nay Sayyidi Ala Hazrat ka fatwah kuffr pesh keeya, aur phir is per fesla huwa kay yeh Tazeer Un Naas kee ibarat kuffria heh, aur Mehmood Deobandi wesay chavlenh maar raha heh, aur keyun kay woh Qasim Nanotavi ko kaffir nahin keh sakta thah bala woh apnay Deobandi mazhib kee bunyaad walay ko kaffir keh deh kesay ho sakta thah. Aur Mehmood Deobandi kee pent utaari gahi thee court meh, Mirza Masroor nay pent utaar ker litr marna shoroon ker deeyeh thay agir Maulana Noorani nah hotay court meh toh kameez bee utaar ker marta Mehmood Deobandi ko. Aur yahee waja heh kay aaj taq joh kuch court meh karwahi huwi goverment nay pubhlish kee ijazat hee nahin deeh woh top secrect document kay tor per rakh dee gaee. Is sari secrecy kee waja TAZEER UN NAAS KEE IBARAAT hen, aur is per Mufti Mehmood Deobandi ka un ka dafa kerna aur aakhir meh Maulana Noorani nay Ahle Sunnat ka mowaqif pesh keeya kay Ahle Sunnat kay mutabiq yeh ibaraat be kuffria hen aur Qadiyani wali bee, Qasim Nanotavi be munkir e khatamiat thah aur Qadiyani be. Maulana Noorani ka ek biyan heh is meh yeh sari kahani batahi gahai heh kay unoon nay kesay Mirza masroor kay paseeneh nikalay, aur Deobandiyoon ka Mufti Mehmood Tazeer Un Naas kee ibaraat kee waja say pans gaya thah aur court judges nay Miraiyoon ko bari ker dena thah, magir Allah ka karam huwa kay Ahle Sunnat ka ek sher hee kaafi thah ... Maulana Noorani nah hotay toh aaj Qadiyani kaffir be nah hotay. Allah tallah nay apnay nabi kee khatamiat ko mafooz keeya. Warna agir jammat ko dekhna heh toh phir sirf Maulana Noorani hee shaamil thay kohi aur nahin thah, aur unoon nay begher Ahle Sunnat kay maslak ko comprimise keeyeh join keeya aur akhar meh Qadiyaniat ko kuffr be sabit keeya. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Ha! ha! Is ko ziyada dard huwa heh ... Loh jee Mualana Noorani nay joh keeya woh khatam e Nabuwat, khatamiat e Muhammedi kay leyeh keya thah, agir un'noon nay ittihad is mafoom meh keeya kay aap hammaray aqahid e bad ko bura nah kaho aur ham aap kay ko nahin kahen gay toh bila shak o shuba gumrahi o zalalat gireh, aur agir ittihad is mafoom meh keeya kay khatamiat e muhammedi kay tahhafuz kay leyeh toh kohi harj nahin. Agir un'noon nay yeh kaha ho kay meh Deobandiyoon kay buray aqahid ko bura nahin kahoon ga toh bila shak o shuba gumrahi o zalalat meh gireh, aur agir Ahle Sunnat kay maslak kay mutabiq yehni joh un ka bura thah bura jana aur bura biyaan kertay rahay phir kohi harj nah keeya. Istera toh Munafiqeen be mojood thay Sahabah kay saath, Sahabah nay un kay buri batoon ko bura biyaan keeya, un kay leyeh narm gosha nah rakha ... magir jahan zeroorat peri wahan per munafiqeen kay khilaaf dat gahay, yeh aqahid o nazriyat ko tanqeedi nishana bananay ka ittihad nahin thah, magir Sahabah nay jab bee moqa paya munafiqeen ka rad keeya. Is'see tera Maulna Noorani nay ittihad keeya sirf Khatamiat per, ittihad sirf Aqeedah e Khatamiat per thah, Deobandiat Wahabiat kay aqahid o nazriyat e kuffria o biddat per nahin thah. Agir woh kehtay tum RasoolAllah ko mazallah astaghfirullah chammar say zaleel likho meh tummeh kuch nahin kahoon ga aur tum meri geeyarween ko kuch nah kaho toh bila shak o shuba jahalat o gumrahi meh gireh, Deobandiyoon Wahabiyoon meh joh bura thah ussay bura jaan ker maan ker agir Khatamiat kay Muhammedi kay leyeh laray toh kuch bura nahin keeya. Meh nay ayaat e Quran pesh kee: Jihaadal kuffara wal munafiqeena, yehni Jihaad kero kaffiroon aur munafiqeen kay khilaaf, abh agir Maulana Noorani nay Deobandi Wahabiyoon Shiyoon ko kaha kay tum hammeh kuch nah kaho ham tummeh kuch nahin kehtay toh bilqul Quran kee talimat kay khilaaf keeya, keyun kay kaffiroon aur munafiqeen kay khilaaf jihaad kee taleem Quran deta heh. Kaffiroon kay khilaaf Jihaadi e Saifi, aur Munafiqeen kay khilaaf Jihaad e Qalmi, abh is ko tarq kerna gumrahi heh. Maulana Noorani kay bayanaat sunyeh, un'noon nay Deobandiyoon Wahabiyoon kay saath ittihad sirf khatamiat kay wastay ittihad keeya, aur Allah ka shukar thah kay woh mojood thay, warna Mirza Masroor nay Deobandiyoon kay Mehmood ko esa Tazeeer Un Naas kee ibarat per pansaya thah kay jaan churwani mushkil ho gaee thee. Jab Mehmood ko litr peray toh Maulana Noorani nay uth ker biyaan keeya kay Tazeer Un Naas kee ibarat kuffria heh, aur Mehmood Deobandi wesay chavlen maar raha heh, judges nay kaha kay aap is ka saboot pesh keren kay kissi nay in ibaraat ko kuffria likha ho, toh Maulana Noorani nay Sayyidi Ala Hazrat ka fatwah kuffr pesh keeya, aur phir is per fesla huwa kay yeh Tazeer Un Naas kee ibarat kuffria heh, aur Mehmood Deobandi wesay chavlenh maar raha heh, aur keyun kay woh Qasim Nanotavi ko kaffir nahin keh sakta thah bala woh apnay Deobandi mazhib kee bunyaad walay ko kaffir keh deh kesay ho sakta thah. Aur Mehmood Deobandi kee pent utaari gahi thee court meh, Mirza Masroor nay pent utaar ker litr marna shoroon ker deeyeh thay agir Maulana Noorani nah hotay court meh toh kameez bee utaar ker marta Mehmood Deobandi ko. Aur yahee waja heh kay aaj taq joh kuch court meh karwahi huwi goverment nay pubhlish kee ijazat hee nahin deeh woh top secrect document kay tor per rakh dee gaee. Is sari secrecy kee waja TAZEER UN NAAS KEE IBARAAT hen, aur is per Mufti Mehmood Deobandi ka un ka dafa kerna aur aakhir meh Maulana Noorani nay Ahle Sunnat ka mowaqif pesh keeya kay Ahle Sunnat kay mutabiq yeh ibaraat be kuffria hen aur Qadiyani wali bee, Qasim Nanotavi be munkir e khatamiat thah aur Qadiyani be. Maulana Noorani ka ek biyan heh is meh yeh sari kahani batahi gahai heh kay unoon nay kesay Mirza masroor kay paseeneh nikalay, aur Deobandiyoon ka Mufti Mehmood Tazeer Un Naas kee ibaraat kee waja say pans gaya thah aur court judges nay Miraiyoon ko bari ker dena thah, magir Allah ka karam huwa kay Ahle Sunnat ka ek sher hee kaafi thah ... Maulana Noorani nah hotay toh aaj Qadiyani kaffir be nah hotay. Allah tallah nay apnay nabi kee khatamiat ko mafooz keeya. Warna agir jammat ko dekhna heh toh phir sirf Maulana Noorani hee shaamil thay kohi aur nahin thah, aur unoon nay begher Ahle Sunnat kay maslak ko comprimise keeyeh join keeya aur akhar meh Qadiyaniat ko kuffr be sabit keeya. Palti khana to koi aap logon se seekhe ..pehlay bole jo ittehad kare wo sunni nahi ..jab sabit ho giya ittihad to ittihaad ki qismein batane lage..wah bhie wah..bohot khoob.. surah fatiha aap log zara khloos se parha karein..aur jab (Iyyaaka na'-budu wa 'iyyaaka nasta-'iin.(1:4) parhein to kisi buzurg ka nahi Allah ka tasawur kia karein..Phir InshaAllah aap logon ko hidayat milegi..warna wohi na quran samjh aaey na hadees bas buzurgon ke istadlaal laykar hi larte raho gay... اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 To all Muslims Wesye to main pehlye bhi apnye kuch khayalat ka izhar is ziman main kar chuka hon..... lakin afsoos ke saath kehna per raha hai ke hum sab ne apni derh aint ki masjid bana kar khud ko alag kar liya hai...... Dunya bhar main is waqt ji kuch ho raha hai, us per main or meri tarha ke or bohat sarye mujh se bohat hi behtar logon ko tashweesh hai...... lakin ghor karain hum sab kis tarha halat se aankhyen chura kar apnye apnye masailon ko bara maan kar isi main uljhye hoye hain.... Ye woh waqt hai jub ke, agar hum apnye aap ko musalman kehtye hain or mantye hain to humye apny tamam ikhtilaf bhula kar aik honye ki zaroorat hai.... dunya islam ko kis nehaj per lejana chahti hai woh aap tamam log dekh hi rahye hongye.. to meri guzarish ye hai ke tamam ikhtilafat ko bhula kar Kuffar(Hinduon) o Mushrekeen ke samnye seena sapar honye ki zaroorat hai...... kion ke Islam sirf Namaz, Roza, Zakat, Haj hi ka naam nahin bulkye jab deen per aanch aa jaye to phir kafiron, mushrikon, yahodion ke hilaf larnye ka naam bhi hai or us ke khilaf jis tarha bhi ho sakye jawab dena bhi hai.... To aap tamam logon se, jo ke apnye aap ko musalman kehtye hain, se guzarish hai ke is TOPIC per sirf wohi baat karain jo ke sirf or sirf Mushrikon, Yahooodion, Kuffar ke khilaf ho na ke kisi maslak ke khilaf...main ye nahin kehta ke aap sab kuch bhool jayen bulkye ye kehta hon ke "put all your hates and diffrences aside" or mil ker aik saff bana lain. Is ke ilawa mustaqbil main is saff ko kesye or behtar banana hai sisilye main mashwarh bhi darkar (required) hoga.. Bil fazrz muhal agar is wahabi ke mashwary par amal pera Sunni musalman ho bhi jayein to mujhy pura yaqeen hai ki wahabis un kuffaro se nipatny ke baad ye sab se pehly humy qatl karega. or is wahabi ke meethi meethi ittehad ki batein aap log parh kar kisi ghalat fehmi me mubtila na ho jana kyuki isi wahabi abdul salam ne"Wahabi kay leay Musalmano ka Qatal aur Asbab Loatna Jayaz hai, Wahabi Fatwa" me wahabis ke liye hum sunniyo ki Jaan-o-Maal Mubah hony ke waqalat ki thi (is se bhi sabit hota hai ki Kharji kuffaro or butparasto ko chorengy or musalmano ko qatl karengy ki nishani inhi wahabis means kharjis ki hai hawala neechy aa raha hai....)..kis mu se ye ittehad ki baat karta hai? In jaiso se nipatny ke liye to ye hi Hadees kaafi hai ... اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 مئی 2009 (ترمیم شدہ) Abdul Salam bhai ne ghalti ki ye baat karke..kionke mushrikon se ittihaad nahi hota..[/quote] Wesay sochnay kee baat heh AGIR MUSHRIKOON SAY ITTIHAAD nahin hota toh Wahabiyoon nay keyun saath deeya Khatam e Nabuwat kay ittihad per, unoon nay Barelwi Aalim Maulana say Ittihaad keeya thah ya nahin? Agir nahin keeya thah toh batayeh phir Maulana Noorani kay saath court meh keyun gahay thay WAHABI? Mujjay pata heh batanay kee zeroorat nahin keyun kay us waqt Wahabiyoon ko Tawheed kee fikr nahin thee, jistera Wahabiyoon nay engrezoon say mil ker Khilaafat ka khatama keeya us'see tera ittihad Sunniyoon say be ker leeya, MUSHRIKOON, SAY ITTIHAAD TOH WAHABIYAT KEE BUNYAAD HEH, AMERICA SAY ITTIHAD SAUDI ARAB KEE BUNYAAD HEH, SAUDI ARAB KA PROTECTOR AMERICA HEH. Toot'h gaee qamar tarak ker kay, aa'hayyyyyyyyyyy!!! mUHAMMED aLI Barelwi Edited 11 مئی 2009 by RadiatingAli اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 12 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 12 مئی 2009 YaAllahMadad:Tumharay nazdeek Shah Ahmed Noorani Sunni hay kay nahi..usne Jamat Islami , aur Jamiat Ulema Islam say Ittehad kia tha..(ISLAMI JUMHORI ITTIHAD 1998) to kia Noorani mian sunni na thay..tumharay khiyal say wo jahil tha????? iska jawab do.. Abdul Salam bhai ne ghalti ki ye baat karke..kionke mushrikon se ittihaad nahi hota.. Aap batahen kay Wahabiyoon nay Maulana Noorani Miyan say ittihad keyun keeya, bala Mushrik say ittihad kesay jahiz heh? Aur apnay sar par kulhari marna aap say kohi seekhay ... itni maharat heh Sawaal ka jawab deejiyeh chor qotowal ko dantay ... girbaan meh jahank ker dekh meray bachay ... meh nay teray jesay bot say anday sheeshoon ko roshan keeya heh. Teri handiyat be gul ker doon ga. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 Aap batahen kay Wahabiyoon nay Maulana Noorani Miyan say ittihad keyun keeya, bala Mushrik say ittihad kesay jahiz heh? Aur apnay sar par kulhari marna aap say kohi seekhay ... itni maharat heh Sawaal ka jawab deejiyeh chor qotowal ko dantay ... girbaan meh jahank ker dekh meray bachay ... meh nay teray jesay bot say anday sheeshoon ko roshan keeya heh. Teri handiyat be gul ker doon ga. aesay logon ko ko kia kuch kahe jinka hashar hay hi bura aakhrat mein..afsos ke ilawa kuch bhi nahi kia ja sakta..Jitne ghairullah ko pukarte ho madad ke liye unke jootay khanay hi tum logon ko..tum logon ki sirf batein hein aur kuch nahi..jo log wazeh nase qurani ko muhaddison ke qol par thukra dein unko kia koi deen sikha sakta hay.. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 aesay logon ko ko kia kuch kahe jinka hashar hay hi bura aakhrat mein..afsos ke ilawa kuch bhi nahi kia ja sakta..Jitne ghairullah ko pukarte ho madad ke liye unke jootay khanay hi tum logon ko..tum logon ki sirf batein hein aur kuch nahi..jo log wazeh nase qurani ko muhaddison ke qol par thukra dein unko kia koi deen sikha sakta hay.. Meray point ka jawab kon deh ga, ... Quran meh Ghairullah say muraad IDOLS hen ... RasoolAllah nay farmaya thah kay Wahabi Quran nahin samjen gay, Quran peren gay magir khalq say neechay nahin utray ga. Hazrat Ibn Abbas Radiallah Tallah Anh ka qaul heh, kay makhlooq e khuda meh sab say baray shararti woh logh hen joh but'toon per nazil kee gaee ayaat ko MUSALMANOON per thomptay hen. Kharijiat kee shaakh Wahabiat, heh aur yeh uni'nee ka pesha thah aur heh. Yeh lenh aap mujjay batahen kay in doh ayaat meh contradiction joh heh woh kistera door hogi: * Surah 7 Verse 188: "Say: "I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith." V.S. * Surah 72 Verse 26: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Ghayb,- {27} "Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him," Jee aap batahen kay donoon meh say kon see ayaat per imaan heh, ek meh BAQAUL WAHABIYAT ILM E GHAYB kee NAFI heh aur dosri meh Allah ka farmaan heh kay woh apnay chunnay huway RAsool ko ilm e Ghayb deta heh. Batayeh donoon ayaat meh say aap kis ko maneh gay, donoon ko maan nahin saktay, abh kalay rang ko kala aur saffaid donoon beyak waqt nahin man saktay ya kala hoga ya saffaid donoon nahin. Aap batahen itni wazia ayaat hen magir contradiction joh kalam e illahi meh muhaal heh, woh is QURAN meh kesay heh, agir contradiction nahin toh phir correct understanding kia hen donoon ayaat kee, zera HADITH E RASOOLALLAH IS IKHTILAAF KO DOOR FARMA DENH TAKAY IJTIHAAD O FIQHAH KEE ZEROORAT NAH PERAY. Nah tummeh Quran ka pata heh aur nah kuch aur ka: * Surah 2 Verse 89: "And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for VICTORY against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Is ayaat kee Tafsir meh Hazrat Ibn Abbas Radiallah tallah farmatay hen: "(And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession) which accords with that which is in their possession (though before that) before Muhammad (pbuh) (they were asking for a signal triumph) through Muhammad and the Qur'an (over those who disbelieved) of their enemies: the tribes of Asad, Ghatafan, Muzaynah, and Juhaynah (and when there cometh unto them that which they knew) of his traits and description in their Book (they disbelieved therein) they denied it was him. (The curse of Allah) His wrath and torment (is on disbelievers) the Jews." Aur Tafsir e Jalalayn meh: "(And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession) which accords with that which is in their possession (though before that) before Muhammad (pbuh) (they were asking for a signal triumph) through Muhammad and the Qur'an (over those who disbelieved) of their enemies: the tribes of Asad, Ghatafan, Muzaynah, and Juhaynah (and when there cometh unto them that which they knew) of his traits and description in their Book (they disbelieved therein) they denied it was him. (The curse of Allah) His wrath and torment (is on disbelievers) the Jews". Tafsir e Asbab Un Nuzul by al Wahidi: (…though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved…) [2:89]. Said Ibn 'Abbas: “The Jews of Khaybar were at war with Ghatafan, and whenever the two parties used to meet, Khaybar ended up in defeat. For this reason they devised the following supplication: 'O Allah! We beseech You by the truth of the unlettered Prophet whom You promised to send forth to us at the end of time to give us victory over them'. And so whenever they said this supplication, Ghatafan was defeated. But when the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was sent forth, they disbelieved in him. It is due to this that Allah, exalted is He, revealed (…though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved) i.e. by means of you, O Muhammad, up to His saying (The curse of Allah is on disbelievers)”. And al-Suddi said: “The Arabs used to pass by the Jews and expose the latter to some harm. The Jews knew the description of Muhammad in the Torah and used to ask Allah to send him so that they could fight with him against the Arabs. When Muhammad, Allah bless him and give him peace, came to them, they disbelieved in him out of resentful envy. They said: 'all the messengers were from the descendents of Jacob, how is it that this one is a descendent of Ishmael?' ” Is say sabit hota heh kay Yahoodi Allah say dua kertay thay kay Ya Allah ham ko Prophet Muhammed kay wasileh say jang meh fatah deh ... aur Allah farmata kay ham in ko fatah detay aur jab in kay pass Allah ka Nabi aya toh unoon nay inqaar ker deeya. Is say sabit hota heh kay Wasileh say dua kerna Allah us ko kabool farmata heh aur Shirk nahin. Aur agir kissi be makhlooq ko khuda maan ker pukara jahay, balkay agir us ko nah bee pukara jahay toh Shirk lazam ata heh aur shakhs islam say kharij ho jata heh. Shirk lazam honay kay leyeh kissi ko pukarna zeroori nahin balkay shirk aqeedeh kee bunyaad per hota heh, jistera kohi musalmaan agir dua nah keray toh woh tab bee muwahid hee hoga, keyun kay aqeedah Shirk o tawheed ka tayun kerta heh. Is;see tera agir kohi makhlooq ko khuda maan leh aur madad kay leyeh nah bee pukaray toh tab be Mushrik hoga, Shirk aqahid say lazam ata heh madad say pukarnay say nahin. Abh agir kissi ko Allah kee makhlooq maano toh shirk nahin, aur agir khud mano toh Shirk heh, aur agir khuda maan ker madad kay leyeh pukaro toh shirk hoga, aur insaan samaj ker pukaro toh Shirk nahin hoga ... yehni SHIRK ka talluq aqahid say heh, pukarnay say nahin, agir nah pukaro toh tab bee shirk ho sakta heh magir condition yeh heh kay us kay makhlooq ko Allah ka shareek banaya jahay. Yeh teri samaj say bahir kee baat heh, pehlay Shirk ko achi tera samjoh phir muj say aa ker baat kerna, tumaray mazhib meh sirf pukarnay say shirk lazam ata heh meray mazhib meh agir nah pukaro magir aqeedah yeh ho kay falan khuda heh toh tab bee Shirk hoga. Aur agir khudaa maan ker pukaro toh tab bee Shirk hoga, shirk oukarnay say nahin Shirk tab bee lazam thah jab us nay pukara nahin thah, keyun kay aqeedeh meh woh khuda manta heh ghair khuda ko. Is leyeh pukarnay ya pukarnay say farq nahin peray ga, woh apnay aqeedeh kee bunyaad per MUSHRIK hee tehrahay ga. Meri shagirdgi kero inshallah Tawheed aur Shirk per mastaer bana doon ga tummeh. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 (ترمیم شدہ) . Edited 13 مئی 2009 by RadiatingAli اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 (ترمیم شدہ) Meray point ka jawab kon deh ga, ... Quran meh Ghairullah say muraad IDOLS hen ... RasoolAllah nay farmaya thah kay Wahabi Quran nahin samjen gay, Quran peren gay magir khalq say neechay nahin utray ga. Hazrat Ibn Abbas Radiallah Tallah Anh ka qaul heh, kay makhlooq e khuda meh sab say baray shararti woh logh hen joh but'toon per nazil kee gaee ayaat ko MUSALMANOON per thomptay hen. Kharijiat kee shaakh Wahabiat, heh aur yeh uni'nee ka pesha thah aur heh. Yeh lenh aap mujjay batahen kay in doh ayaat meh contradiction joh heh woh kistera door hogi: * Surah 7 Verse 188: "Say: "I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith." V.S. * Surah 72 Verse 26: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Ghayb,- {27} "Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him," Jee aap batahen kay donoon meh say kon see ayaat per imaan heh, ek meh BAQAUL WAHABIYAT ILM E GHAYB kee NAFI heh aur dosri meh Allah ka farmaan heh kay woh apnay chunnay huway RAsool ko ilm e Ghayb deta heh. Batayeh donoon ayaat meh say aap kis ko maneh gay, donoon ko maan nahin saktay, abh kalay rang ko kala aur saffaid donoon beyak waqt nahin man saktay ya kala hoga ya saffaid donoon nahin. Aap batahen itni wazia ayaat hen magir contradiction joh kalam e illahi meh muhaal heh, woh is QURAN meh kesay heh, agir contradiction nahin toh phir correct understanding kia hen donoon ayaat kee, zera HADITH E RASOOLALLAH IS IKHTILAAF KO DOOR FARMA DENH TAKAY IJTIHAAD O FIQHAH KEE ZEROORAT NAH PERAY. Nah tummeh Quran ka pata heh aur nah kuch aur ka: * Surah 2 Verse 89: "And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for VICTORY against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Is ayaat kee Tafsir meh Hazrat Ibn Abbas Radiallah tallah farmatay hen: "(And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession) which accords with that which is in their possession (though before that) before Muhammad (pbuh) (they were asking for a signal triumph) through Muhammad and the Qur'an (over those who disbelieved) of their enemies: the tribes of Asad, Ghatafan, Muzaynah, and Juhaynah (and when there cometh unto them that which they knew) of his traits and description in their Book (they disbelieved therein) they denied it was him. (The curse of Allah) His wrath and torment (is on disbelievers) the Jews." Aur Tafsir e Jalalayn meh: "(And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession) which accords with that which is in their possession (though before that) before Muhammad (pbuh) (they were asking for a signal triumph) through Muhammad and the Qur'an (over those who disbelieved) of their enemies: the tribes of Asad, Ghatafan, Muzaynah, and Juhaynah (and when there cometh unto them that which they knew) of his traits and description in their Book (they disbelieved therein) they denied it was him. (The curse of Allah) His wrath and torment (is on disbelievers) the Jews". Tafsir e Asbab Un Nuzul by al Wahidi: (…though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved…) [2:89]. Said Ibn 'Abbas: “The Jews of Khaybar were at war with Ghatafan, and whenever the two parties used to meet, Khaybar ended up in defeat. For this reason they devised the following supplication: 'O Allah! We beseech You by the truth of the unlettered Prophet whom You promised to send forth to us at the end of time to give us victory over them'. And so whenever they said this supplication, Ghatafan was defeated. But when the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was sent forth, they disbelieved in him. It is due to this that Allah, exalted is He, revealed (…though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved) i.e. by means of you, O Muhammad, up to His saying (The curse of Allah is on disbelievers)”. And al-Suddi said: “The Arabs used to pass by the Jews and expose the latter to some harm. The Jews knew the description of Muhammad in the Torah and used to ask Allah to send him so that they could fight with him against the Arabs. When Muhammad, Allah bless him and give him peace, came to them, they disbelieved in him out of resentful envy. They said: 'all the messengers were from the descendents of Jacob, how is it that this one is a descendent of Ishmael?' ” Is say sabit hota heh kay Yahoodi Allah say dua kertay thay kay Ya Allah ham ko Prophet Muhammed kay wasileh say jang meh fatah deh ... aur Allah farmata kay ham in ko fatah detay aur jab in kay pass Allah ka Nabi aya toh unoon nay inqaar ker deeya. Is say sabit hota heh kay Wasileh say dua kerna Allah us ko kabool farmata heh aur Shirk nahin. Aur agir kissi be makhlooq ko khuda maan ker pukara jahay, balkay agir us ko nah bee pukara jahay toh Shirk lazam ata heh aur shakhs islam say kharij ho jata heh. Shirk lazam honay kay leyeh kissi ko pukarna zeroori nahin balkay shirk aqeedeh kee bunyaad per hota heh, jistera kohi musalmaan agir dua nah keray toh woh tab bee muwahid hee hoga, keyun kay aqeedah Shirk o tawheed ka tayun kerta heh. Is;see tera agir kohi makhlooq ko khuda maan leh aur madad kay leyeh nah bee pukaray toh tab be Mushrik hoga, Shirk aqahid say lazam ata heh madad say pukarnay say nahin. Abh agir kissi ko Allah kee makhlooq maano toh shirk nahin, aur agir khud mano toh Shirk heh, aur agir khuda maan ker madad kay leyeh pukaro toh shirk hoga, aur insaan samaj ker pukaro toh Shirk nahin hoga ... yehni SHIRK ka talluq aqahid say heh, pukarnay say nahin, agir nah pukaro toh tab bee shirk ho sakta heh magir condition yeh heh kay us kay makhlooq ko Allah ka shareek banaya jahay. Yeh teri samaj say bahir kee baat heh, pehlay Shirk ko achi tera samjoh phir muj say aa ker baat kerna, tumaray mazhib meh sirf pukarnay say shirk lazam ata heh meray mazhib meh agir nah pukaro magir aqeedah yeh ho kay falan khuda heh toh tab bee Shirk hoga. Aur agir khudaa maan ker pukaro toh tab bee Shirk hoga, shirk oukarnay say nahin Shirk tab bee lazam thah jab us nay pukara nahin thah, keyun kay aqeedeh meh woh khuda manta heh ghair khuda ko. Is leyeh pukarnay ya pukarnay say farq nahin peray ga, woh apnay aqeedeh kee bunyaad per MUSHRIK hee tehrahay ga. Meri shagirdgi kero inshallah Tawheed aur Shirk per mastaer bana doon ga tummeh. ziyada uchalne aur barkein maarne ki zaroorat nahi hay..tumhari pehli baat ka jawab quran mein idols ke bare mein...???? Narrated Ibn Abbas All the idols which were worshipped by the people of Noah were worshipped by the Arabs later on. As for the idol Wadd, it was worshipped by the tribe of Kalb at Daumat-al-Jandal; Suwa' was the idol of (the tribe of) Murad and then by Ban, Ghutaif at Al-Jurf near Saba; Yauq was the idol of Hamdan, and Nasr was the idol of Himyr, thebranch of Dhi-al-Kala.' The names (of the idols) formerly belonged to some pious men of the people of Noah, and when they died Satan inspired their people to (prepare and place idols at the places where they used to sit, and to call those idols by their names. The people did so, but the idols were not worshipped till those people (who initiated them) had died and the origin of the idols had become obscure, whereupon people began worshipping them. {SAHIH BUKHARI} tum log jitne buzurgon ko pukaarte ho uski daleel ye hadees hay..tum log jahil ho..jo log boton ko pooj rahay hein wo tumahri tarah bewaqqof nahi hein...har IDOL ke peechay kisi na kisi aulia Allah ki history hoti hay... aur ghaib se mutaliq jo 2 ayaat aap ne pesh ki hein..is mein koi masla nahi hay ..jahan nafi ki gai hay uska matlab hay mein ikhtiar nahi rakhta aur jahan hona sabit hay uska matlab hay jab Allah ko jitna manzoor ho wo bata deta hay..aur yahi baat ulema ahle sunnat ki tafseer mein hay..aapke jaalee ahle sunnat nahi... { حَتَّىٰ إِذَا رَأَوْاْ مَا يُوعَدُونَ فَسَيَعْلَمُونَ مَنْ أَضْعَفُ نَاصِراً وَأَقَلُّ عَدَداً } * { قُلْ إِنْ أَدْرِيۤ أَقَرِيبٌ مَّا تُوعَدُونَ أَمْ يَجْعَلُ لَهُ رَبِّيۤ أَمَداً } * { عَٰلِمُ ٱلْغَيْبِ فَلاَ يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَداً } * { إِلاَّ مَنِ ٱرْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَداً } و قَوْلُهُ تَعَالَى: { عَٰلِمُ ٱلْغَيْبِ فَلاَ يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَداً }؛ أي لا يُطلِعُ على غَيبهِ أحَداً من خلقهِ، { إِلاَّ مَنِ ٱرْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ }؛ فإنه إذا أرادَ إطْلاعَهُ بالوحِي على ما يشاءُ على الغيب، { فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَداً }؛ أي جعلَ مِن بين يَدي الرسولِ ومِن خلفه حَفَظَةً من الملائكةِ ليُحِيطُوا به، ويَحَفظُونَهُ، ويحفظُوا الوحيَ مِن أن تَسْتَرِقَهُ الشياطينُ، فُتلقِيَهُ إلى الكهنَةِ. * تفسير التفسير الكبير / للإمام الطبراني (ت 360 هـ) مصنف و لم يتم تدقيقه بعد yahan bilkul wazeh tor par bataya ja raha hay ..kay jab Allah Ta'ala iraada karte hein to wohi ke zarye se bata dete hein.. aur rahi wasileh ki baat mein is se inkaar nahi karta hoon magar Rasool Allah ne wasilah ikhtiyar karne ka koi hukum nahi diya hay..ye optional hay..kisi par zabardasti nahi kar sakte wasilah ko ikhtiar karne ke liye...mein is liye nahi karta kionke Rasool Allah ne khud kabhi kisi ka wasilah ikhtiyar nahi farmaya..hamesha Allah se DIRECT sawal kia mein isi par amal karta hoon... 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Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 jo topic hai us par guftugu karein har topic ko shirk or waseely ka topic na bana diya karein... اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 13 مئی 2009 . Janab Radiating Ali sahib,,,, dikha di aap ne apni munafiqat............... Aap ko main "Islam" ke nam per jama karnye per Mushrik nazar aata hon... Mulahiza krain Islam ka zikr, Is ke ilawa Quran main bhi zikr hai or Ahadith main mutaa'did jagha Is ke ilawa Janab nick name Ya Allah madad sahib unhain chor dain.... inhon ne bata diya ke in ke dill main kia hai........... meri koshish bahar hal jari rahyegi Asif Attari sahib, Aap shayed bhool gaye ke is post (jo ke aap ne pesh ki) ke jawab main, main ne kiya kaha tha ke, "mushrikon ka Qatl-e-Aam" jayez hai......... Ye hi woh log hain jin se islam ko nuqsanat pohnchye hain..... main ne likha tha apnye tmam nafraton or ikhtilafat ko alag rakh kar deen ko bachanye ke liye saf aara ho jayen lakin ye radiatin ali jesye munafiq hazrat (shayed Taqayyah ka libada orh rakha hain inhon ne) ki wajah se hum log yakja na hosakye.... or hawa denye wlaye bhi inhi ki tarha ke log hain.... Abdul Salam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 14 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 14 مئی 2009 ziyada uchalne aur barkein maarne ki zaroorat nahi hay..tumhari pehli baat ka jawab quran mein idols ke bare mein...???? Narrated Ibn Abbas All the idols which were worshipped by the people of Noah were worshipped by the Arabs later on. As for the idol Wadd, it was worshipped by the tribe of Kalb at Daumat-al-Jandal; Suwa' was the idol of (the tribe of) Murad and then by Ban, Ghutaif at Al-Jurf near Saba; Yauq was the idol of Hamdan, and Nasr was the idol of Himyr, thebranch of Dhi-al-Kala.' The names (of the idols) formerly belonged to some pious men of the people of Noah, and when they died Satan inspired their people to (prepare and place idols at the places where they used to sit, and to call those idols by their names. The people did so, but the idols were not worshipped till those people (who initiated them) had died and the origin of the idols had become obscure, whereupon people began worshipping them. {SAHIH BUKHARI} tum log jitne buzurgon ko pukaarte ho uski daleel ye hadees hay..tum log jahil ho..jo log boton ko pooj rahay hein wo tumahri tarah bewaqqof nahi hein...har IDOL ke peechay kisi na kisi aulia Allah ki history hoti hay... aur ghaib se mutaliq jo 2 ayaat aap ne pesh ki hein..is mein koi masla nahi hay ..jahan nafi ki gai hay uska matlab hay mein ikhtiar nahi rakhta aur jahan hona sabit hay uska matlab hay jab Allah ko jitna manzoor ho wo bata deta hay..aur yahi baat ulema ahle sunnat ki tafseer mein hay..aapke jaalee ahle sunnat nahi... { حَتَّىٰ إِذَا رَأَوْاْ مَا يُوعَدُونَ فَسَيَعْلَمُونَ مَنْ أَضْعَفُ نَاصِراً وَأَقَلُّ عَدَداً } * { قُلْ إِنْ أَدْرِيۤ أَقَرِيبٌ مَّا تُوعَدُونَ أَمْ يَجْعَلُ لَهُ رَبِّيۤ أَمَداً } * { عَٰلِمُ ٱلْغَيْبِ فَلاَ يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَداً } * { إِلاَّ مَنِ ٱرْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَداً } و قَوْلُهُ تَعَالَى: { عَٰلِمُ ٱلْغَيْبِ فَلاَ يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَداً }؛ أي لا يُطلِعُ على غَيبهِ أحَداً من خلقهِ، { إِلاَّ مَنِ ٱرْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ }؛ فإنه إذا أرادَ إطْلاعَهُ بالوحِي على ما يشاءُ على الغيب، { فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَداً }؛ أي جعلَ مِن بين يَدي الرسولِ ومِن خلفه حَفَظَةً من الملائكةِ ليُحِيطُوا به، ويَحَفظُونَهُ، ويحفظُوا الوحيَ مِن أن تَسْتَرِقَهُ الشياطينُ، فُتلقِيَهُ إلى الكهنَةِ. * تفسير التفسير الكبير / للإمام الطبراني (ت 360 هـ) مصنف و لم يتم تدقيقه بعد yahan bilkul wazeh tor par bataya ja raha hay ..kay jab Allah Ta'ala iraada karte hein to wohi ke zarye se bata dete hein.. aur rahi wasileh ki baat mein is se inkaar nahi karta hoon magar Rasool Allah ne wasilah ikhtiyar karne ka koi hukum nahi diya hay..ye optional hay..kisi par zabardasti nahi kar sakte wasilah ko ikhtiar karne ke liye...mein is liye nahi karta kionke Rasool Allah ne khud kabhi kisi ka wasilah ikhtiyar nahi farmaya..hamesha Allah se DIRECT sawal kia mein isi par amal karta hoon... Jee ham nay bee yeh Hadith peri, ek dafa nahin, das daffa peri, magir keyun kay ham qanay dajjal kay fallowers nahin is leyeh kabi ghalat biyaani nahin kee. Hadith meh tareekhi pas e manzir pesh huwa kay Awliyah kay IDOLS banahay gahay aur phir arsa guzrnay kay baad logoonnay un kee ibadat kerna shoron ker deeh. Is say kesay sabit hota heh Ahle sunnat Wal Jammat nay Awliyah kay IDOLS banahay hen. Joh kissi nabi, wali, janwar ya kissi ka but'h banata heh jahanumi heh. Amal pata nahin kis ka, aur daleel hamaray khilaaf, yeh istera heh jesay meh woh ayaat e quran musalmanoon ko pesh kroon aur kahoon kay tum nay Quran badal deeya: * Surah 2 Verse 79: "Then woe to those who WRITE the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do WRITE, and for the gain they make thereby." Aur yeh ayaat pesh ker kay meh kehna shoroon ho jahoon kay Quran ko badal deeya Wahabiyoon nay, is ka zikr Quran meh aya heh yeh daleel heh kay tum Wahabiyoon nay Quran ko badal deeya. Es'si jahalat o baqwaas ka kohi faida nahin, jistera Hadith ka talluq Ahle Sunnat say nahin ussee tera Quran badalnay ka talluq Wahabiyoon say nahin. Raha masla ghairullah kee ibadat ka toh tum jhoota ho kazab ho, qanay dajjal ho, lanti ho, biddati, balkay KAFFIR ho, keyun kay tum nay farmaan e RasoolAllah kee taqzeeb kee aur kuffr ka fatwah tummeh per lota, RasoolAllah nay farmaya kay Ummat Shirk nahin keray gee, ghairullah kee ibadat nahin keray gee, tum kehtay ho ummat ghairullah kee ibadat kerti heh. Sahih Al Bukhari, Book 76, Number 590: "Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir: Once the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers for the martyrs of Uhud, and then went to the pulpit and said, "I am a predecessor for you and I am a witness for you: and by Allah, I am looking at my Fount just now, and the keys of the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth) have been given to me: and by Allah, I am not afraid that you will commit Shirk {i.e. join partner with Allah and worship others besides Allah} after me, but I am afraid that you will strive and struggle against each other over these treasures of the world." Sahih Bukhari, Book 23, Number 428: "Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir: One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, "I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will fight with one another for the worldly things." Sahih Bukhari, Book 56, Number 795: "Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amr: The Prophet once came out and offered the funeral prayer for the martyrs of Uhud, and proceeded to the pulpit and said, "I shall be your predecessor and a witness on you, and I am really looking at my sacred Fount now, and no doubt, I have been given the keys of the treasures of the world. By Allah, I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah, but I am afraid that you will envy and fight one another for worldly fortunes." Sahih Al Bukhari, Book 59, Number 411: "Narrated Uqba: One day the Prophet went out and offered the (funeral) prayer for the people (i.e. martyrs) of Uhud as he used to offer a funeral prayer for any dead person, and then (after returning) he ascended the pulpit and said, "I am your predecessor before you, and I am a witness upon you, and I am looking at my Tank just now, and I have been given the keys of the treasures of the world (or the keys of the world). By Allah, I am not afraid that you will worship others besides Allah after me, but I am afraid that you will compete with each other for (the pleasures of) this world." Sahih Bukhari, Number 434: "Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir: The Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayer for the martyrs of the (battle of) Uhud and then ascended the pulpit and said, "I am your predecessor and I am a witness against you. By Allah, I am now looking at my Tank-lake (Al-Kauthar) and I have been given the keys of the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that after me you will worship others besides Allah, but I am afraid that you will start competing for (the pleasures of) this world." Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Number 5688: "Uqba b. 'Amir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) one day went out and he offered prayer over the martyrs of Uhud just as prayer is offered over the dead. He then came back and sat on pulpit and said: I shall be present there (at the Cistern) before you. I shall be your witness and, by Allah, I perceive as if I am seeing with my own eyes my Cistern at this very state and I have been given the keys of the treasures of the earth or the keys of the earth and, by Allah, I am not afraid concerning you that you would associate anything (with Allah after me), but I am afraid that you would be vying with one another (for the possession of) the treasures of the earth." Is leyeh tumaray Mushrik, yehni Kaffir honay meh kohi shaq nahin raha. Abh aahi bari ayaat kee taweelaat kee, janab yeh ikhtiyaar ka lafz Quran say sabit ker denh, aur muffasireen ko abh choren, jistera Muhadditheen kee wazahateh, aap qabool kernay per tiyaar nahin, is'see tera yahan per Mufassireen kee Tafasir say be abh gurez keren keyun kay Mufassir kee tafsir ko Quran kee wazia ayaat kay khilaaf heh. Ayaat meh heh kay agir meray pass Ghayb hota, yehni ek ratti bar bee ghayb hota toh meray pass sab kuch hota, yeh Ghayb per ikhtiyaar honay kee nafi nahin, yeh ilm e Ghayb honay kee nafi heh, agir tum is ayaat say lafz ikhtiyaar nikaal doh tumara dawah sabit, abh lafz ikhtiyaar sabit bee nah ho, aur tum us ko muffasir kay kehnay per ikhtiyaar kee nafi tehraho. Jistera Muhaddith ka qaul doh hadisoon kay mutabiq ho joh aapis meh bazahir ikhtilaaf kertay hoon toh tum kehtya ho kay muhaddith ko mana hadith ko nahin mana, abh pet'h meh keyun peer peri aur Mufassir kee tafsir kee taraf keyun bagay. Fuqaha e Ahnaaf kay khilaaf toh tum zehr uglo keyun kay woh Tarjeeh per amal nahin kertay balkay Tashri per chaltay hen yehni doh mutatazad Ahadithoon per woh esa mafoom biyaan kertay hen jin say ikhtilaaf khatam ho jata heh, un kay khilaaf toh tum zehar uglo abh apni baari aahi toh IKHTIYAAR, IKHTIYAAR KA INQAAR HEH ILM E GHAYB ATAHI KA INQAAR NAHIN. Aap kay leyeh is meh sabak heh, khadim ko toh aap tab tanay denh jab meh munkir hota Mufassireen kee wazahatoon ka, khadim pehlay hee manta thah tum nay keyun kay Muhaditheen kee Sharah kay baray meh yeh kaha kay ham un ka qaul mantay hen aur hadith ko nahn mantay toh meh nay jistera ustaad apnay shagird kay leyeh MASHQ, excercise, KERWATA HEH taqay student ko sabak achi teraa yaad ho jahay, meh bee idhar tummeh yeh sab MASHQENH kerwa raha hoon taqay joh sabak tum meri shagirdgi meh reh ker hasal kero achi tera samjoh. Aur alhamdulillah, Ustaad acha heh shagird kabi na laykiyan marta heh magir thori chitrawl kee jahay toh sahih jawab pesh ker sakta heh, is'see tera sabak ko pesh kertay raho, jab meh tumara imtihaan loon ga achay numberoon say pass ho jaho gay peta jee. Aah gaya heh raah pay batooh hee batooh meh, Inshallah haq qabool ker leh ga aur doh chaar latoon say Janab kia kaha kay aap Waseeleh ka inqaar nahin keren gay ... ??? O yeh Muhammed Ali kia perh raha heh .... ankhen mal aur phir perh ... yeh kesay ho sakta heh kay WAHABI joh waseeleh ko shirk, GHAIRULLAH KEE IBADAT, ... QABAR PARASTI SAY MANSOOB KRNAY WALA ... waseeleh ka inqaar nah keray .... balkay optional samjay, Aayeh aap kay points ka jawab haazir heh. Aap ka point kay Waseeleh ka hokam nahin, yeh bilqul ghalat aur Quran say la'ilmi heh warna WASEELEH KA SABOOT QURAN MEH HEH. Surah Al Maidah {5} Verse 35: "O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the Wasilah unto Him, and strive in the way of Allah with: that ye may prosper." Allah tallah nay Wasileh ka hokam farmaya aur phir Quran meh yoon bataya bee kay kesay aur kis ko Waseelah banaho: Surah An'Nisa {4} Verse 64: "We sent not an apostle, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah's FORGIVENESS, and the Messenger had asked FORGIVENESS for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful." Allah tallah nay farmaya kay gunna'garoon kay RasoolAllah kay pass jana chahyeh thah aur maghfirat kee dua ka kehtay aur Allah kay Rasool un kay leeyeh maghfirat kee dua kertay toh Allah un ko maaf farma deta. Note keren Allah nay yeh nahin kaha kay muj say MAAFI MANGO, mujjay pukaro directly, balkay bataya kay agir RasoolAllah say dua kertwatay toh Allah maaf farmata. Shahid aap kehen kay yeh sirf hayaat honay kay waqt kee ijazat thee, baad kee nahin, toh arz heh kay Quran kee ayaat taqayamat kay leyeh hen aur in per say joh hkam akhaz hota heh woh har waqt kay musalmaan kay leyeh heh. Peda honay say pehlay yaa dunya say rukhsat honay kay baad kee qed nahin, keyun kay agir Yahoodi peda honay say pehlay dua e Waseelah kertay thay aur Allah un kee dua qabool farmata thah toh dunya say rukhsat honay kay baad kohi qanoon badal gaya? RasoolAllah ka Waseelah, aur istera Waseeleh say dua kerna ya Allah apnay Habib kay saday meri mushkil asaan ker, ya Allah is Wali e kamal kay sadqay meri dua kabool farma, ya Allah apnay is nek banday kay sadqay meri dua qabool farma toh yeh SHIRK nahin. Waseelah muqaribeen hen aur Dua Allah say heh, yehni maanga Allah say jaa raha heh magir muqaribeen ko waseelah bana ker, agir Waseelah Shirk hota tohkabi be RasoolAllah ko waseelah banay ka hokam nah hota, aur nah kabi Allah tallah Yahoodiyoon kee duahen qabool farmata. Waseelah Bot Kismoon Ka Heh, Allah nay namoon ka Waseelah, amaal e Saliha ka Wasilah, Allah nay muqarib bandoon ka Wasilah, aur har type meh Ibadat yehni Dua Allah say sirf waseelah Allah kay muqarib bandoon ka heh, Ya Allah apnay Wali, apnay muqarrib banday, Hazrat data Ali Hujweri kay sadqay, kay Waseeleh say meri dua qabool farmaya ... yeh dua e Wasilah kay ilfaaz hen. Ham aap ko nahin kehtay esa keren, aap JOH MARZI KEREN HAMMEH GHARZ NAHIN, hammeh gharz tab hota heh jab aap jesay jahil, aur ilmi yateem, musalmanoon ko MUSHRIK, MUSHRIK, KA LABEL LAGATAY HEN, qaanay khud hotay hen aur dosroon ko qana kehtay hen. Meh nay pehlay bee bataya kay SHIRK kissi ko pukarnay say nahin hota, shirk aqahid kee bunyaad per lazam ata heh, abh agir kohi kissi ko khuda manay aur nah bee pukaray toh tab bee shirk hoga, aur agir pukar deh toh us kay shirk meh kohi farq nahin peray ga woh mushrik hee rahay ga jesay pukarnay say pehlay thah. Agir pukarnay say Shirk lazam ata toh phir aap abu ko, ammi ko pukartay hen, toh kia Shirk ho gaya, aap atta'hiyat meh ayu'han'nabiyu yehni "O nabi aap per salam..." toh kia aap nay RasoolAllah ko pukara, SHIRK HO GAYA, SHIRK pukarnay say nahin, SHIRK AQAHID SAY LAZAM ATA HEH, AAP RASOOLALLAH KO KHUDA MANEH AAP MUSHRIK, PUKAREN YA NAH PUKAREN AAP MUSHRIK HOON GAY. Agir aap kehtay hen sirf pukarnay say Shirk hota heh toh phir ... aap rozana paanch daffa MUSHRIK HOTAY HEN, KOHI BE ESA SAKHS BATAHEN JOH MUSALMAAN HO AUR PAANCH WAQTI NAMAZI HO. Phir toh musalmaan hee wohi heh MUWAHID hee wohi heh joh NAMAZ NAHIN PERTA. Jee aap bee direct Allah say dua keren, hammeh kia zeroorat heh aap ko badalnay kee, magir SHIRK, BIDDAT, KUFFR, MUSHRIK, kee chaar gardaneh boola denh, keyun kay aap samaj rahay hen kay sirf aap nay hee Quran pera heh baqiyoon ko Quran perna nahin ata, magir aap kee ghalat fehmi heh yeh. Jin ko yeh bata nahin kay Shirk e Akhbar kab kesay lazam ata heh AQAHID kee bunyaad per ya PUKARNAY kee bunyaad per, woh Ummat ko Mushrik keh rahay hen. Aur RasoolAllah kay farmaan kee taqzeeb nah keren RasoolAllah nay farmaya thah kay meri Ummat Shirk nahn keray gee, aap ko kia ziyada pata heh, yaqeenan RasoolAllah ko pata thah kay aap jesay jahil ahen gay aur Ummat ko Mushrik Mushrik likhen kahen gay, is'see leyeh RasoolAllah nay Ummat ko Shirk say bari ker deeya. Nah Deobandi, nah Wahabi, nah Shia, nah Sunni, kohi be Mushrik nahin, sab Muwahid hen,. Hamara Ikhtilaaf aap say meray abbah jee kee jaydad per nahin kay meh apni zaat kay leyeh yahan per beth ker likhoon, jistera aap ko deen kee tableegh ka shok heh, alhamdulilah ham ko be heh kay logoon kee islah keren. Allah tallah aap ko hidayat deh, اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 14 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 14 مئی 2009 Janab Radiating Ali sahib,,,, dikha di aap ne apni munafiqat............... Aap ko main "Islam" ke nam per jama karnye per Mushrik nazar aata hon... Mulahiza krain Islam ka zikr, Is ke ilawa Quran main bhi zikr hai or Ahadith main mutaa'did jagha Is ke ilawa Janab nick name Ya Allah madad sahib unhain chor dain.... inhon ne bata diya ke in ke dill main kia hai........... meri koshish bahar hal jari rahyegi Asif Attari sahib, Aap shayed bhool gaye ke is post (jo ke aap ne pesh ki) ke jawab main, main ne kiya kaha tha ke, "mushrikon ka Qatl-e-Aam" jayez hai......... Ye hi woh log hain jin se islam ko nuqsanat pohnchye hain..... main ne likha tha apnye tmam nafraton or ikhtilafat ko alag rakh kar deen ko bachanye ke liye saf aara ho jayen lakin ye radiatin ali jesye munafiq hazrat (shayed Taqayyah ka libada orh rakha hain inhon ne) ki wajah se hum log yakja na hosakye.... or hawa denye wlaye bhi inhi ki tarha ke log hain.... Abdul Salam Jee aap ba bot bot shukria kaay aap nay mujjay ba khabr keeya, aap ISLAM kay naam per agir ittihad keren toh is meh bilqul shirk NAHIN, yeh toh khaadim ka aqeeda heh, magir WAHABIYAT MEH GHAIRULLAH KAY NAAM PER AGIR KOHI AMAL KEEYA JAHAY TOH WOH SHIRK ZEROOR HEH, aap nay ISLAM kay naam per ITTIHAD KA KAHA JOH ghairullah ka naam heh, jistera ham Seikh kay naam per bakra zaiyah keren gay toh muraad yeh nahn kay ham ussay khuda mantay hen aur ham zaibyah kay doraan us seikh ka naam letay hen balkay Allah o akbar bismaillah pertay hen ... toh aap kehtay hen abh is bakray per keyun kay seikh ka naam aa gaya is leyeh soowar ay ziyada haram heh, halan kay haqiqat meh bakra Allah kay naam per zaibyah hota heh aur aur joh sawaab hota heh us ko ham seikh ko gift kertay hen tohfay kay tor per behijtay hen. abh aap apnay asool kay mutabiq MSUHRIK hen, AHLE SUNNAT KAY ASOOL KAY MUTABIQ NAHIN. Is leyeh pehlay aap wahabiat ko litr maren, aur phir Sunni ho jahen, keyun kay yeh sab baqwas joh meh likhta hoon Wahabiat say seekhi aur Wahabiat kay khilaaf istimaal ho rahi heh, aap ko app kay apnay hee asooloon say jang kerna per rahi heh, aap mujjay kuch nah kaha keren, joh kehna heh WAHABIAT KO KEH DEEYA KEREN. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 Janab Radiating Ali sahib,,,, dikha di aap ne apni munafiqat............... Aap ko main "Islam" ke nam per jama karnye per Mushrik nazar aata hon... Mulahiza krain Islam ka zikr, Is ke ilawa Quran main bhi zikr hai or Ahadith main mutaa'did jagha Is ke ilawa Janab nick name Ya Allah madad sahib unhain chor dain.... inhon ne bata diya ke in ke dill main kia hai........... meri koshish bahar hal jari rahyegi Asif Attari sahib, Aap shayed bhool gaye ke is post (jo ke aap ne pesh ki) ke jawab main, main ne kiya kaha tha ke, "mushrikon ka Qatl-e-Aam" jayez hai......... Ye hi woh log hain jin se islam ko nuqsanat pohnchye hain..... main ne likha tha apnye tmam nafraton or ikhtilafat ko alag rakh kar deen ko bachanye ke liye saf aara ho jayen lakin ye radiatin ali jesye munafiq hazrat (shayed Taqayyah ka libada orh rakha hain inhon ne) ki wajah se hum log yakja na hosakye.... or hawa denye wlaye bhi inhi ki tarha ke log hain.... Abdul Salam Yeh joh Hadith aap nay Sahih Muslim say pesh kee heh, yeh haqiqat meh woh waqia heh jab munafiqeen nay RasoolAllah kay Ilm {e Ghayb} ka mazak uraya aur kaha kay yeh keh raha heh kay falan falan jannat meh jahay ga is ko yeh pata nahin ham is kay saath bethay hen, us waqt RasoolAlah ko jalal aya aur MUNAFIQEEN ko challenge deh deh ker farmaya poocho, pochoo mujjay meray rab kee kasam meh us waqt taq yahan say nah hatoon ka jab taq bata nah doon ... kissi nay poochay meray walid kon hen farmaya huzaifah, RasoolAllah kay jalal meh aur izafah huwa jinnay khamosh rehna thah abh woh sawaal poch rahay thay yehni Sahabah, halanh kayyeh challenge to munafiqeen kay leyeh thah, jab Hazrat Umar nay yeh halat dekhi toh phir RasoolAllah kay pahoon pakkar ker farmaya ham raazi hen Allah kay mabood honay per, Islam kay deen e illahi honay per .... weghera phir RasoolAllah kay jalal meh kami huwi. Sabit huwa kay RASOOLAllah kay ilm e ghayb per wohi ihtiraaz kerta heh joh munafiq hota heh, yehni woh kaffir jis nay dekha'way ka islam qabool keeya ho aur haqiqat meh kaffir hee ho. Abh aap shahid yeh kahen kay Munafiq toh musalmaan hotay hen, toh suneh munafiq kaffir heh musalmaan nahin. Yeh ayaat e Quran Munafiqeen kay mutaliq nazil huwi: Surah 9 Verse 66: "Make ye no excuses: Ye have become KAFFIR after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin." Only munafiqeen deny the knowledge of Ghayb of RasoolAllah, the Muslims do not. And Wahabiyah Deobandiyah beleive that RasoolAllah doesnt know Ghayb, Ismail Dehalvi Kaffir wrote in Taqwiyat Ul Imaan that anyone who profess the aqeedah of Ilm e Ghayb for Nabi or Wali such a person is Mushrik, only Allah knows Ghayb. Hence Ismail Dehalvi aposticised from Islam for rejecting the verses of Quran and disbeleiving in Quranic verses which prove Ilm Ul Ghayb of RasoolAllah. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 (ترمیم شدہ) Sabit huwa kay RASOOLAllah kay ilm e ghayb per wohi ihtiraaz kerta heh joh munafiq hota heh, yehni woh kaffir jis nay dekha'way ka islam qabool keeya ho aur haqiqat meh kaffir hee ho. Abh aap shahid yeh kahen kay Munafiq toh musalmaan hotay hen, toh suneh munafiq kaffir heh musalmaan nahin. Yeh ayaat e Quran Munafiqeen kay mutaliq nazil huwi: Only munafiqeen deny the knowledge of Ghayb of RasoolAllah, the Muslims do not. And Wahabiyah Deobandiyah beleive that RasoolAllah doesnt know Ghayb, Ismail Dehalvi Kaffir wrote in Taqwiyat Ul Imaan that anyone who profess the aqeedah of Ilm e Ghayb for Nabi or Wali such a person is Mushrik, only Allah knows Ghayb. Hence Ismail Dehalvi aposticised from Islam for rejecting the verses of Quran and disbeleiving in Quranic verses which prove Ilm Ul Ghayb of RasoolAllah. Yhahn baat ho rahi hai Islam ke naam per aik honye ke liye or Ye sahib hain ke, jesye hi moqa mila apni baat karnye ka to shoroo ho gaye..... Itna hi shoq hai to still bohat se topic open hai is forum per wahan per taba aazmaee karain... yahan kion apni salahiyaten zaya kar rahye hain.... Jee aap ba bot bot shukria kaay aap nay mujjay ba khabr keeya, aap ISLAM kay naam per agir ittihad keren toh is meh bilqul shirk NAHIN, yeh toh khaadim ka aqeeda heh, magir WAHABIYAT MEH GHAIRULLAH KAY NAAM PER AGIR KOHI AMAL KEEYA JAHAY TOH WOH SHIRK ZEROOR HEH, Ab aap in sab batoon ka jo ke aap kehtye hain ke aap ne wahabiyat se seekhi hain un ka sboot pesh karain wahabiya ke Kitabon se or saath hi is ki tashreeh bhi warna ye sab ke sab ilzam hain (jesa ke aap bayan kartye rehtye hain).......... Warna sirf ilzam ke ilawa kuch or nahin.... agar saboot na ho to ghalati maan kar khamoosh hojana ho ga aap ko jawab denye per khayal zaroor rakhyen ke aap ab jo bhi baat karain Ahl-e-Hadith hazrat ke aqeedah per un ka sabooth pesh karengye warna khamoosh rahyengye. Aap shayed ye bhool rahye hain ke humara aqeedah kitab-o-Sunnat per sab se pehlye hai us ke baad Sahaba ke aqwal-o-Aa'mal per, phir us ke baad tabaeen, taba tabaeen, sulha per........ ab aap kisi bhi kitab ka hawala den us ko kitab-o-sunnat per pesh karnye ke baad hi is ka hujjat hona mana jayega.... is ke ilawa main aap se pehlye bhi keh chuka hon ke mujhye aap se munafiqat ki boo aa rahi hai.. jo ke yahan masalon ke hal ke liye nahin bulkye sirf ikhtilaf ko hawa denye ke liye aaye hain.......... (Shia mazhab se ziyada mutasir lagtye hain aap) Abdul Salam Edited 15 مئی 2009 by Abdulsalam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 Yhahn baat ho rahi hai Islam ke naam per aik honye ke liye or Ye sahib hain ke, jesye hi moqa mila apni baat karnye ka to shoroo ho gaye..... Itna hi shoq hai to still bohat se topic open hai is forum per wahan per taba aazmaee karain... yahan kion apni salahiyaten zaya kar rahye hain.... Ab aap in sab batoon ka jo ke aap kehtye hain ke aap ne wahabiyat se seekhi hain un ka sboot pesh karain wahabiya ke Kitabon se or saath hi is ki tashreeh bhi warna ye sab ke sab ilzam hain (jesa ke aap bayan kartye rehtye hain).......... Warna sirf ilzam ke ilawa kuch or nahin.... agar saboot na ho to ghalati maan kar khamoosh hojana ho ga aap ko jawab denye per khayal zaroor rakhyen ke aap ab jo bhi baat karain Ahl-e-Hadith hazrat ke aqeedah per un ka sabooth pesh karengye warna khamoosh rahyengye. Aap shayed ye bhool rahye hain ke humara aqeedah kitab-o-Sunnat per sab se pehlye hai us ke baad Sahaba ke aqwal-o-Aa'mal per, phir us ke baad tabaeen, taba tabaeen, sulha per........ ab aap kisi bhi kitab ka hawala den us ko kitab-o-sunnat per pesh karnye ke baad hi is ka hujjat hona mana jayega.... is ke ilawa main aap se pehlye bhi keh chuka hon ke mujhye aap se munafiqat ki boo aa rahi hai.. jo ke yahan masalon ke hal ke liye nahin bulkye sirf ikhtilaf ko hawa denye ke liye aaye hain.......... (Shia mazhab se ziyada mutasir lagtye hain aap) Abdul Salam Dekhyeh janab yahan per khamosh honay is kia hoga woh aap ko pata nahin mujjay maloom heh ... hoga yeh kay aaj in subject per itni taweel aur taseelan behas huwi aur agir sara mamla jahan taq puncha heh ussay woheen pr chor denh toh maheenay baad haftay baad aap kuttay kee dumb kee tera hen, phir WASEELEH, kay subject per behas shoroon ker denay gay aur apni qaani aqal kay bina per Muwahideen ko MUSHIRK, MUSHRIK, MUSHRIK, likhen gay. Keyun kay Waseelah Sabit ho chuka heh aur aap kay baee nay bee maan hee leeya heh, meh nay Hadith say sabit ker deeya kay UMMAT shirk nahin keray gaee ghairullah kee iabadat nahin keray gee, bas aap mahirbaani ker kay yeh likh denh kay ... Aap gabool kertay hen kay: Waseeleh ka hokam Allah nay Quran meh deeya heh RasoolAllah ko Yahoodi un kee pedaish say pehlay Waseelah banatay thay, Quran say sabit heh, RasoolAllah ko Waseelah bana'nay ka hokam Quran meh heh, Pukarnay say shirk lazam nahin ata, Shirk e Akhbar Aqahid kee bina per lazam ata heh pukarnay say nahin Waseeleh say Dua kerna Shirk Nahin. RasoolAllah kay farmaan kay mutabiq Ummat kabi Shirk fil Ibadat nahin keray gee. Aap kay baee nay Wasilah maan leeya, aap teenoon baee, Haqeeqat, aap khud, aur Ya Allah madad baee, mil ker likh denh kay aap in sab points ko qabool kertay hen aur aynda in subjects per ikhtilaafi behas nahin keren gay, meh is subject ko dobara choona be nahin pasand keroon ga, magir keyun kay Wahabiyoon kee fitrat ka pata heh, kuttay kee dumb wala hisaab heh seedi rakho toh seedi zera deel deeh apni asliyat per aa gaee. Abhi agir is maslay ko hadoora chora jahay toh phir kal shoroon say is subject per behas krnay peray gee, keyun nah ek dafa fesla ho jahay. Baqi raha aap ka kehna kay aur subjects be hen, toh janab, pehlay aap yeh niba lenh, inshallah meh bee yahan per hoon aur aap bee, aap subject topic muntakhib ker lee jeeyeh ga, alhamdulillah joh subject aap choose keren gay, Millad, Fatiha, Geeyarween, Ilm e Ghayb, Hadhir Nadhir, Ilm e Ghayb Qulli {ba muqabilah e makhlooq}, Ikhtiyaaraat e Mustafa, Noori Bashariat, Wahdat Ul Wajood, weghera ... joh aap choose keren gay, aap ya aap kay muntakhib keeyeh huway fard say one to one debate kernay kay leyeh tiyar hoon, aur wesay bee meh tarjeeh deta hoon ONE TO ONE debate ko. Aap ka yeh asool nahin joh kaam ghairullah kay naam per keeya jahay woh haram heh Shirk heh, agir aap ko pata nahin toh Talib Ur Rehmaan ka munazira Maulana Saeed Asad kay saath huwa thah us ko suneh, yeh us'see say sun ker biyaan keeya heh. Baat asool kay mutabiq heh, aap kay maulvi waziya ilfaaz meh meri bateh kahen ya nah magir Usool aap ka heh, hamara nahin. Aap ko booh bot aati heh tumari naaq kharaab heh, keyun kay khaadim nay Shia rafziyoon say orkut per, Ummahat Ul Momineen kay ahle Bayt honay per, Ameer Muawiyah kay Momin Sahabi honay per, Khilafat e KHulafa e Rashidah per, aur Sahabah kay momin honay per tehreeri munazireh keeyeh, Quran o Sunnat kee roshini meh Shiyat ka rad keeya aur Shia kay maulviyoon kee pent utaari. Yeh lenh: * http://www.orkut.com/Main#Community.aspx?r...mp;cmm=26813293 Aap kee naaq kharab heh aap ko kushboon bee aap ko booh aati heh, naaqh ka ilaaj kerwahen. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 15 مئی 2009 Munafiqat dil main hoti hai or zuban se zhir ho rahi hai...................... Khuah makhuah apnye guman main sabit kar ke diffrent mozu per diffrent baat ko..... khuahish kartye hain ke man lain.......? pehlye wahan mojood dalail ko ghalat sabit karain......khuah makhuah time na zaya karain jo mozu yahan shoroo kia tha us per rahyen..... kahin or jane ki zaroorat nahin. Wesye ye ab zahir ho gaya hai ke lenye ke or denye ke bat aap ke alag alag hai. kion yasir sahib, sagg-e-attar sahib, or woh tamam log jo khud ko moderator or administrator kehtye hain kahan gaye aap ke usool-e-forum. Abdul Salam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 17 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 17 مئی 2009 Munafiqat dil main hoti hai or zuban se zhir ho rahi hai......................Khuah makhuah apnye guman main sabit kar ke diffrent mozu per diffrent baat ko..... khuahish kartye hain ke man lain.......? pehlye wahan mojood dalail ko ghalat sabit karain......khuah makhuah time na zaya karain jo mozu yahan shoroo kia tha us per rahyen..... kahin or jane ki zaroorat nahin. Wesye ye ab zahir ho gaya hai ke lenye ke or denye ke bat aap ke alag alag hai. kion yasir sahib, sagg-e-attar sahib, or woh tamam log jo khud ko moderator or administrator kehtye hain kahan gaye aap ke usool-e-forum. Abdul Salam Woh pata lag raha heh kay Munafiq kon heh. Joh aap ka aqeedah heh us say maloom hota heh, RasoolAllah ko Apnay jesay Bashr liknay walay, RasoolAllah kee masoomiat kay munkir aur RAsoolAllah ko gunagar sabit kernay walay, RasoolAllah kay khiyaal ko Behal gadday say be badtar jannay walay ... RasoolAllah kay leyeh wohi zubaan istimaal kertay hen joh munafiqeen aur kaffiroon nay keeh .... yeh toh aap kay mazhib say pata lag raha heh kay munafiq yehni taqia parast kaffir kon heh. Raha subject kee baat toh Milaad ko celebrate kernay ko aap nay jahiz kerar deeya aur shareek hona ka bee irada keeya ... aap kay baee nay WASEELAh e RasoolAllah ko qabool ker leeya, aap apnay baee ko Milaad samja denh, aur woh aap ko Waseelah samja denh gay, aap unki maan lenh aur woh aap kee maan lenh gay ... nateeja kia hoga do subject aap donoon WAHABI baee sort out ker lenh, aap Milaad ko jahiz samajtay hen, aur woh Waseeleh ko, yeh lenh un kay ilfaaz: Ya Allah Madad, Wrote: aur rahi wasileh ki baat mein is se inkaar nahi karta hoon magar Rasool Allah saw.gif ne wasilah ikhtiyar karne ka koi hukum nahi diya hay..ye optional hay..kisi par zabardasti nahi kar sakte wasilah ko ikhtiar karne ke liye...mein is liye nahi karta kionke Rasool Allah saw.gif ne khud kabhi kisi ka wasilah ikhtiyar nahi farmaya..hamesha Allah se DIRECT sawal kia mein isi par amal karta hoon... Raha Waseeleh per dalahil toh alhamdulillah aap ko chit ker leta deeya heh, meri replies kay jawabaat nahin ahay, agir aap samajtay hen kay Waseeleh kay dalahil kamzor hen toh rad keren un ka. Aap kay har point, jumla ba jumla point ba point jawab miltay hen khadim kee taraf say, aur meri post ka jawab aap nahin deh pa rahay. Batoon say mukhalif kay dalahil ka rad nhin hota dalahil ka tor mukhalif kay dalahil kee wazahat aur apnay mowaqif per dalahil say hota heh. Khadim nay aap kay dalahil kee sahih wazahat kee, jis say aap ka ilzaam be bunyaad sabit huway, aur phir apnay dalahil say mowaqif ko sabit keeya. Abhi aap ko yeh pata nahin kay mukhalif kay rad kistera keeya jata heh, mukhalif kee daleel kay khilaaf apni daleel pesh kertay hen, yoon aap apnay dalahil say mukhalif kay dalahil ko contradcit ker rahay hen. Rad maqool us waqt hota heh jab mukhalif kay dalahil ka sahih mafoom pesh keeya jahay jin kee bunyaad ker us nay ghalat aqahid kee bunyaad rakhi, aur phir apnay dalahil pesh keeyeh jahen, aap ko abhi yeh pata nahin kay rad kistera keeya jata heh. Agir kohi WE, Us, Our, kee bunyaad per Quran say Trinity sabit kerna chahay toh aap pehlay yeh kren kay us ko batahen kay We Us Our jab Allah tallah kee zaat istimaal kerti heh woh Plural of Respect, plural of honour, hen, jistera Queen's English meh We Our, Us ka istimaal hota heh. aur phir apnay dalahil yehni: "Qul, Huwallah Ahad." pesh keren ... yeh maqool tareeka heh, ... aap sirf bateh ker saktay hen ati alif bay pay nahin aap ko ... Shahid aap samaj rahay hen kay Munafiq heh Shiat kee booh aa rahi heh, us kee booh aa rahi heh toh meh marghoob ho jahoon ga ... aap ko shak heh yeh games shahid aap kay leyeh new hen, meh nay bari kheli hen, agir jurrat heh aur tumari wahabiat meh agir dam kham heh toh meray dalahil ka rad kero, balkay jurrat ker kay ek seperate thread meh ONE TO ONE debate kero, WASEELAH ka subject hee sahih, tumeh naaq kay bal gaseeta nahin toh naam Muhammed Ali Razavi nahin. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 17 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 17 مئی 2009 Aur tummeh booh joh aahi thee woh Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi Rahimullah Alayhi Tallah kay naam say aahi thee, joh tumari munafqat kee daleel bee heh, Rizvi Shia likhtay hen. Meh Razavi hoon, aur yeh nisbat Silsilah e Qadriyah kee branch heh joh Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi Rahimullah Alayhi Tallah say nikli, aur un kay naam Raza kee nisbat say Razavi sath likhta hoon. Tumara baap ko bee meri khasbooh ahay gee jahan per meh aur tooh bethay hen, aur wesay tumara kehna kay Shi'at kee booh aati heh, kia tummeh ILM E GHAYB deeya gaya ya booh tummeh farishtoon nay botol meh daal ker behji ... abh Ma fawkal asbab aur Ma tahtul Asbab kee TAKHSEESAAT E wahabiyah kay mutab aap ko SHI'AT kee booh ana, SHIRK heh. Aap kalmah perh kay pakkay sachay MUWAHID ban'na gawara keren gay, ya chup saad lenh gay. Abhi bee booh aa rahi heh ya band ho gaee heh?? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 18 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 18 مئی 2009 Tumara baap ko bee meri khasbooh nahin ahay gee jahan per meh aur tooh bethay hen, aur wesay tumara kehna kay MUNAFQAT kee booh aati heh, kia tummeh ILM E GHAYB deeya gaya ya booh tummeh farishtoon nay botol meh daal ker behji ... abh Ma fawkal asbab aur Ma tahtul Asbab kee TAKHSEESAAT E wahabiyah kay mutab aap ko MUNAFQAT kee booh ana, SHIRK heh. Aap kalmah perh kay pakkay sachay MUWAHID ban'na gawara keren gay, ya chup saad lenh gay. Abhi bee booh aa rahi heh ya band ho gaee heh?? Ghalti ho gaee, meh nay Shiyat say booh ka likha heh, halan kay aap nay MUNAFQAT KEE BOOH likha heh, khata e yadasht, mazrat. Sabak 1: Yeh Ma Fawkal Asbab aur Tahtul Asbab kee takhsees Wahabiat kee gari heh Sunniyoon kee nahin, aur Keyun kay Wahabiat meh ilfaaz kee Taweel nahin kee jaati, is leyeh yeh Sunni ka fatwah nahin, Wahabiat ka fatwah heh aap kee booh per. Sabak 2: Kabi kabi ilfaaz ka mafoom woh nahin hota joh zahir ho, yehni likha toh aap nay booh ka heh kay aap ko muj say MUNAFQAT kee booh aati heh, magir kohi pagal hee computer per beth ker HAQIQI mafoom meh, yeh likhay ga, keyun kay booh toh computer kay zariyeh aati nahin. Toh ham Sunni samajtay hen kay aap nay HAQIQI mafoom meh nahin likha, kash yeh baat aap WAHABI logh be samaj jatay, aap ko ASOOL bata doon: "Musalmaan, Ba'shahoor, Sahib e Ilm o Quran O Hadith, Muttaqi, agir kohi esi baat likhay, ya kahay, joh Haqiqat aur Aqahid, kay khilaaf ho toh us kay ilfaaz ko Haqiqi mafoom meh nahin balkay, taweel kee jahay gee." Aap kay musalmaan, Sahib e Ilm o Quran o Hadith, aur Muttaqi honay per toh ikhtilaaf heh, magir BA'SHAHOOR honay per nahin, is leyeh aap say yeh tawaqoh nahin kee jaa sakti kay aap nay HAQIQI mafoom meh yeh jumla likha heh: "... {Muhammed Ali Razavi} say shiyat kee booh aa'rahi heh." Aur keyun kay ham Sunni Sahib e Ilm o Quran O Hadith, aur Bashahoor, Aqalmand hen, is leyeh TAWEEL keren gay: "Muhammed Ali Razavi kay Munafiq honay per shak ho raha heh." Ya yoon be ho sakti heh: "Muhammed Ali Razavi ka munafiq hona sabit ho raha heh." matlab kay kohi bee es'si TAWEEL jis say aap kee muraad ka kuch andaza ho aur zahiri ilfaaz kee tardeed ho. Abh aap khud andaza keren kay meh kitna acha hoon, kay aap kay difa meh aap ko aap kee ladli, piyaari, dil rooba, Wahabiyat kay fatway say bacha raha hoon. Yaqeen keren aap Wahabiyat kee bunyaad per kabi bee aap apnay aap ko Muwahid sabit nah ker saktay, keyun kay Wahabiat ka har asool man'garat heh. Awal Ma Fawkal Asbab aur Tahtul Asbab kee takhsees mangarrat aur Biddat heh, dohim Wahabiyat ka yeh kehna kay begher aqahid kay badlay huway Shirk e Akhbar lazam aa jata heh baqwas o jahalat o Biddat heh. Haqiqat yeh heh kay agir aap is nazriyeh say kehtay kay mujjay munafqat kee booh bi'iznAllah aahi toh Shirk lazam nahin ata keyun kay Ulluhiyat, Wahdaniyat, Atah e Illahi ka inqaar nahin keeya aur naah apnay aap ko Rab ul Izat ka mukhalif banaya heh. Aur agir app bi'iznillah ka aqeedah rakh ker computer per beth ker HAQIQI mafoom meh be yeh likhtay kay muhammed Ali say Munafqat kee booh aa rahi heh toh tab bee aap per SHIRK ka fatwah nahin thah balkay aap ko meh sirf pagal honay ka tana deta. Aur agir computer per beth ker, door say ya qareeb say, agir is aqeedeh kay saath kehtay kay: beghair ata e illahi llahi mujjay tumari munafqat kee booh aa rahi heh, toh bila shak o shuba Shirk e Akhbar lazam ata. Is leyeh Ma Fawkal Asbab Aur Tahtul Asbab kee bunyaad hee mangarat heh, keyun kay joh kuch be dunya meh hota heh qaynaat meh hota heh ASBAB kay saat hota heh, Asbab kay saath aur Asbab kay beghair kee baat kerna hee baqwas heh ... Jab Allah tallah nay RasoolAllah ko Madinah meh kharay ho ker jannat aur dozikh ka mushayda ker rahay hen toh kehna kay Rasoolallah nay Asbab kay beghair dekha heh shirk heh, keyun kay jis Allah nay un ko mushayda ka sharf deeya toh ASBAB bee peda ker deeyeh, joh amal jab hota heh aur jis ko hona heh, us kay ASBAB Allah tallah peda ker deta heh,, is leyeh Fawkal aur Tahtul Asbab kee kee takhsees jahalat Biddat, aur Tawheed say be khabri heh. Sabak 3: Aur is asool kay mutabiq: "Musalmaan, Ba'shahoor, Sahib e Ilm o Quran O Hadith, Muttaqi, agir kohi esi baat likhay, ya kahay, joh Haqiqat aur Aqahid, kay khilaaf ho toh us kay ilfaaz ko Haqiqi mafoom meh nahin balkay, taweel kee jahay gee." Agir kohi bee esay ilfaaz bolay, cha'hay Nabi ho, Wali ho, Aalim ho, agir us kay aqeedeh kay khilaaf, insaan ba'shahoor, ho toh phir TAWEEL HOGI. Ibrahim alayhis salam nay sooraj, taray, chaand, ko dekha farmaya: "Haza Rabi" {"Mera khuda heh."} Abh Sunni kabi be, musalmaan kabi be IBRAHIM alayhis salam per SHIRK O KUFFR ka fatwah nahin lagahay ga, sirf jahil Wahabi laga sakta heh, jesa kay ek Wahabi Kaffir nay Ibrahim alayhis salam ko Mushrik likh deeya kay Nabuwat say pehlay Mushrik thay, meh nay sabit ker deeya kay Nabi, Rasool, toh pedaish say pehlay be Nabi Rasool hota heh, toh begher tobah keeyeh, begher kalmah peray debate say farar ho gaya. Is'see tera Awliyah Allay kay esay iqwaal o Ashaar hen joh zahiri mafoom meh kuffria o Shirkia hen magir un ibaraat kee taweelaat kee jahen gee, aur keyun kay un kay hosh o hawash darust nahin thay is leyeh un per takfir o fatwah e kuffr o shirk nahin lagaya jahay ga. Agir lagana hee lagana heh toh phir Ibrahim alayhis salam say shoron keren aur chronologically joh joh be ahay sab per fatweh laga denh. Sabak 4: Muhammed Ali ko cheren mat, woh choray ga nahin jab taq, baal kee khaal, aur us baal kee khaal kay baal kee khaal nah utar deh. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 18 مئی 2009 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 18 مئی 2009 Janab Khush hogaye Tarap kar jawab denye ki zaroorat pesh aa gayee aap ko..... chaleyn agar khushi khatam ho gai ho aap ki ya phir farigh ho gaye hon aap apny khud sakhta jawab se to phir aa jayen is topic per wapis??????? "Islam ke naam per aik honye ke liye kion ke waqt bilkul nahin hai" Or Masha Allah aap ki zuban to bohat achi hai..... yaqiinan aap ko khusosi ijazat di gai hai or mukhtalif barelvion ko ke woh is jesi peyari or meethi zuban se kalam karain ya istimal karain Munafiqat, Taqayya, Rafiziyat, kia kia kahon main.... Abdul Salam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 19 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 مئی 2009 Janab Khush hogaye Tarap kar jawab denye ki zaroorat pesh aa gayee aap ko..... chaleyn agar khushi khatam ho gai ho aap ki ya phir farigh ho gaye hon aap apny khud sakhta jawab se to phir aa jayen is topic per wapis??????? "Islam ke naam per aik honye ke liye kion ke waqt bilkul nahin hai" Or Masha Allah aap ki zuban to bohat achi hai..... yaqiinan aap ko khusosi ijazat di gai hai or mukhtalif barelvion ko ke woh is jesi peyari or meethi zuban se kalam karain ya istimal karain Munafiqat, Taqayya, Rafiziyat, kia kia kahon main.... Abdul Salam Bas laga reh ...tooh heh ek aam admi tis say mis nahin hota ... laga reh, laga reh, Jee baqaul Wahabiyat kay aap Mushrik hen is leyeh jab taq aap Muwahideen kee jammat say nah hoon aap say baat kerna jahiz nahin, pehlay muwahid baneh aur Shirk choren. Joh meh kehta hoon ussay ghalat sabit ker denh, baat khatam. Aap ko ho kia gaya heh meri batoon ka jawab keyun nahin detay ... meh nay ihtirazat jawabaat, wazahat, sab keeyeh magir aap nay choon charan bee nahin kee meray daway per kia aap Barelwi Mushrikoon kay asool say mutafiq hen, ya ahle Tawheed Wahabiyah kay asool say. Soch ker jawab denh agir Wahabiat ko choose keren gay toh Shirk kay fatway meh doob maren gay, aur Barelwiat ko toh phir Wahabiat kay bet'h meh laat maren gay, yeh huwa Head's Muhammed Ali Razavi Win's, Tails Wahabi AbdulSalam Loose's, ... deen kee baat keren, meh tumari baqwas pernay kay leyeh yahan per nahin bulaya gaya thah ... agir kuch ata heh, kohi deen kee sudh budh heh Tawheed aur Shirk, ka pata heh toh jawab doh, warna ... bas laga reh ... اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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