Haqeeqqt مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2009 , Asif bhai,, jazak Allah aur haqeeat shab,,, main bhee baree shidat say app kay jawab ka intazar kar raha hoon,, khail rahy ziq zaq main jawab darkar nahee hai,, sirf to the point ,,, waiting........... Mr. Sag e Raza jaisay ap nay mujeh mukhatib ho k kaha, inhin alfaz say Asif Attari say mukhatib ho ker mujeh bhi jawab dila dijia. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2009 ,Asif bhai,, jazak Allah aur haqeeat shab,,, main bhee baree shidat say app kay jawab ka intazar kar raha hoon,, khail rahy ziq zaq main jawab darkar nahee hai,, sirf to the point ,,, waiting........... Mr. Sag e Raza jaisay ap nay mujeh mukhatib ho k kaha, inhin alfaz say Asif Attari say mukhatib ho ker mujeh bhi jawab dila dijia. to phir to the point hi jawab mang raha hu aap is se door kyu bhag rahy hain Wahabi Haqeeqat or ghuma phira kar kaan kyu pakarna chahty hain seedhy seedhy hi kaan pakar lein aapko jawab ye dena hai ki..... Banda Momin Rahega Ya kafir ho jayega... bus ek line likh dein na? ismy masla hi kya hai..., aap nahin many or to the point baat na karty huey apni sabikqa (unapproved post) me ye likha kya aap isy sirf na jayaz or gunah se tabeer karengy....kya ab shirk aapki nazar me itna chota ban gaya hai? Kya is sy aapki murad ye hai ki banda mushrik ho jayega? raha sawaal aapki post (unaaproved ka post-martem) ka to usky liye aap itminaan rakhy humy na ghussa aya hai na kuch or haan aapko zaroor kuch ho gaya hai ki matloob choty se jawab se bachcho ki tarah bagh rahy hain jaisy koi bachcha Doctor Sahab ki sui se.. aap nahin many or apny mafoqul asbaab par behas shuru kar di or neki or bhalai par madad karny par dalail dene shuru kar diye ? hasil kya hua? Unfortunately mujhy apki post unapprove karin parhi for the time being...or masla koi aisa to bara hai nahin ....hum bhi to sawal aapko (accepted & approve qaid(limits) by GMs) qaid laga kar hi pooch rahy hain kya koi qaid humny ismy aisy lagai jisy wahabi muttafiq na ho? hum wahi to pooch rahy hain :- ki zinda (murda nahin) Qareeb ke Admi (Door ke nahin) se Asbaab ke tehat (Mafouqul Asbaab nahin) is Aqeedy (ki ye zinda qareeb ka admi bina Allah ke izn or ata se madad karta hai) ke saath Madad mangny wala banda apki Towheed ki ru se Islam me rahyga ya Shirk ka murtakib ho kar Islam se kharij ho jayega...? or kitna asaan karein hum sawaal ko apki Moti Aql ke hisab se? par na jany kyu aapko ye swaal itna mushkil kyu lag raha hai ki aap sab kuch likhny ko tyyar hai par iska jawab 2 lines me dene se katra rahy hain? baba fareed ke Mazar ke darwazy par kya likha hai kya nahin kya is sy aap wahabiyat ko haq par sabit kar payengy? kya ye thread darwazo ki tehreer par chal raha hai? or phir pehly aap is point ko to clear kar dein mazeed darwazo ki tehreer par bhi guftgu ho jayegi is se kon ghbarata hai wahabi haqeeqat? kahin aisa to nahin ki isky pasy parda aap apni bebasi or khayant chupana chaty hain...aapsy kaha tha tafseer ibn kaseer or bukhari etc. ke urdu tarjumy par apna hashiya (or cut copy paste underline color work) baad me charhiyega abhi to aap sirf is matloob sawaal ka jawab dein jis se dono ka waqt barbaad na ho...or parhny walo ko bhi samjahny me asaani na ki panny kaaly karny ki khana-poorti... اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haqeeqqt مراسلہ: 17 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 17 اپریل 2009 to all muslims. RK post delete kernay k peechay tumhari khabasat chupi hai jo tum duniya per zahir naheen honay dena chahtay. apnay kalay (Black) ko bhi safiad sabit kerna chahtay ho Insha Allah aisa naheen ho sakta. meri post main tumharay swal ka jawab majood hai lakin tumharay dil-o-damagh main Quran aur hadees naheen aati, sirf itna masla hai, bas? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 19 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 اپریل 2009 to all muslims. RK post delete kernay k peechay tumhari khabasat chupi hai jo tum duniya per zahir naheen honay dena chahtay. apnay kalay (Black) ko bhi safiad sabit kerna chahtay ho Insha Allah aisa naheen ho sakta. meri post main tumharay swal ka jawab majood hai lakin tumharay dil-o-damagh main Quran aur hadees naheen aati, sirf itna masla hai, bas? Wahabi Haqeeqat tumhari post delete nahin ki gayi unapproved ki gayi hai...bcz tum humary sawaal se bhag kar phir wahi sab kharjiyat wali ada bikhair rahy thy jiska mushaihda kai martaba hum kar chuky hain...or mene tumhari post parhi hai tumny sab kuch likha par mere sawal dene se tumko na jany kyu parhez hai? agar tum sachchy ho to mere sawal ka jawab 2 lines me kyu nahin likh dete, kisny tumhy sachchai zahir karny se roka hai..? par hum janty hain ki wahabi Haqeeqat sab kuch likhega par Jawab nahin phir sawal paish hai last time ab agar jawab ke siwa tumhara orto ki tarah rona dhona kosna aaya to bila karhiyat delete hoga.. ki zinda (murda nahin) Qareeb ke Admi (Door ke nahin) se Asbaab ke tehat (Mafouqul Asbaab nahin) is Aqeedy (ki ye zinda qareeb ka admi bina Allah ke izn or ata se madad karta hai) ke saath Madad mangny wala banda apki Towheed ki ru se Islam me rahyga ya Shirk ka murtakib ho kar Islam se kharij ho jayega...? or kitna asaan karein hum sawaal ko apki Moti Aql ke hisab se? aapny jawab ye dena hai ki :- Banda Momin Rahega ya Banda Mushrik ho jayega اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haqeeqqt مراسلہ: 22 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 اپریل 2009 Wahabi Haqeeqat tumhari post delete nahin ki gayi unapproved ki gayi hai...bcz tum humary sawaal se bhag kar phir wahi sab kharjiyat wali ada bikhair rahy thy jiska mushaihda kai martaba hum kar chuky hain...or mene tumhari post parhi hai tumny sab kuch likha par mere sawal dene se tumko na jany kyu parhez hai? agar tum sachchy ho to mere sawal ka jawab 2 lines me kyu nahin likh dete, kisny tumhy sachchai zahir karny se roka hai..? par hum janty hain ki wahabi Haqeeqat sab kuch likhega par Jawab nahin phir sawal paish hai last time ab agar jawab ke siwa tumhara orto ki tarah rona dhona kosna aaya to bila karhiyat delete hoga.. aapny jawab ye dena hai ki :- Banda Momin Rahega ya Banda Mushrik ho jayega Agar tum nay apni RK wali ainak utar ker perha hota to tumhain jawab zaroor mil jata. Yeh sub tumharay wardaat k tareeqay hain kiun k tum log naheen chahtay k logon ko haqeeqat wazeh ho. aur agar wazeh ho gaya to tumhari dukanain band ho jain gi. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 23 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 اپریل 2009 1. Adami zinda ho....(Jis sy Madad Mangi ja rahi hai)2. Aadmi Qareeb bhi ho... (Jis sy Madad Mangi ja rahi hai) 3. Aadmi ke paas asbaab bhi hon.. (Jis sy Madad Mangi ja rahi hai) ab agar me aapsy kahu ki isi mazkoor qareeb ke zinda Aadmi jo asbaab bhi rakhta hai, is se koi ye aqeedah rakh kar Madad mangy ki ye apni zaat se khud bina Allah ke izn se meri madad kar sakta hai tokya Madad Mangny wala Momin rahega ya Mushrik ho jayega.? bus is choty se sawaal ka jawab la dein... aapki sari ki sari shirk ki kharishein...khud ba khud dafa ho jayengi.. .ki asal qaid kya hai or aapne kya laga rakhi hain...or kon apni sharait ka paband rehta hai or kon isy hatheli par jalty angary ki tarah chor deta hai ? or kis ki sharait towheed or shirk ki sahi taqseem karti hain... Aik Doosri Jagha farmatye hain ke, ki zinda (murda nahin) Qareeb ke Admi (Door ke nahin) se Asbaab ke tehat (Mafouqul Asbaab nahin) is Aqeedy (ki ye zinda qareeb ka admi bina Allah ke izn or ata se madad karta hai) ke saath Madad mangny wala banda apki Towheed ki ru se Islam me rahyga ya Shirk ka murtakib ho kar Islam se kharij ho jayega...? or kitna asaan karein hum sawaal ko apki Moti Aql ke hisab se? Janab Asif Attari sahib Agar ye do (Qoutes) jo aap ke khud ke hain, aap ka sawal ye hai ke woh Shirk main mubtla hoga ya nahin to Jawab hai ke Banda Mushrik Ho Jayega Ab aap batayen kia batana chah rahye they or is ke zarye ab aap kis ko mushrik sabit karna chahtye hain? Wazeh rahye ke aap jis ke barye main bhi bayan bazi karain us silsilye main poori sanad, hawalajat or poora waqia naqal kijyega, warna aap ki post kisi khatir nahin lai jayegi..... Ab main aap ko aik or jawab de deta hon or saath hi sawal bhi daghta hon. Janab Shoib sahib ne jo post shirk ke rad main pesh ki, ho posts hum ne ki woh sarihan Nas thi (Jesa ke tamam logon ne Quran ki sareeh ayat or Sahi Ahadeeth pesh ki) or in sab ke jawab main aap ne woh ayat pesh ki jin se aap istadlal to karsaktye hain lakin sareeehan hukm (Nas) nahin keh saktye..... Yani ke aap ne Nas ke Muqablye main Qayas ko tarjeeh di or de rahye hain or dattye hoye hain... Sawal ye hai ke Jab Nas mojood ho to Qayas ki kia hasiyat hain aap ke nazdeek deen main koi Uljha jawab nahin chahiye, koi taweel nahin chahye, Sirf jawab ye dena hai ke Qayas ki hasiya Nas ke muqablye main kuch nahin Qayas ki Hasiyat Nas ke muqablye main qavi hai Kahin main ne ghalati ki ho ya samajhnye main ghalti ki ho Allah mujhye muaf karye or mera khatma Iman per bilkhair ata farmaye (Aameen) Abdul Salam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 24 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 24 اپریل 2009 Agar ye do (Qoutes) jo aap ke khud ke hain, aap ka sawal ye hai ke woh Shirk main mubtla hoga ya nahin to Jawab hai ke Banda Mushrik Ho Jayega Ab aap batayen kia batana chah rahye they or is ke zarye ab aap kis ko mushrik sabit karna chahtye hain?Wazeh rahye ke aap jis ke barye main bhi bayan bazi karain us silsilye main poori sanad, hawalajat or poora waqia naqal kijyega, warna aap ki post kisi khatir nahin lai jayegi..... wahabis ne bari der lagayi is choty se sawal ke Jawab mein..wese baat baat par shirk-shirk ka wazifa parhny waly wahabis is choty se sawal ka jawab dene me pasho paish me rahy..khair kam z kam ek wahabi sahab ne to himmat ki warna wahabi haqeeqat to sawal ke gol gol chakkar hi lagata raha or dekhna shayad isky baad bhi agata rahy.. na hum kisi wahabi ka qowl bayan karny waly thy na hi koi kissa (Ghaliban aap advance me hi seham kar humsy,sanad,hawala,waqya ki mang kar dali) ye to ek asan sa tharma-meter tha wahabis ki zuban par charhy shirk nami bukhar ko chk karny ka jis lagaty hi sari laghw fizul qaidein (jinsy wahabi apni tondo ka dhanda chala rahy hain) dafa hoti gayin or akhir kar usi par akar towheed ne fatwa diya or mar kar tumhy qubool karna hi parha ki humari sari qaid ko manny ke bawajood (Zinda (Murdy se to shirk hota hai na) Qareeb ke (Door se sunna to shirk hota hai na) Asbaab ke tehat (Mafoqul asbab madad mangna to shirk hota hai na)) bina Allah ke izn or ata se madad ka aqeeda rakhny wala Mushrik ho Jayega !!! akhir wahi qaid kaam aayi na wahabi abdulsalam jo Hum Ahle Sunnat sekro salo se batil ko samjhaty aa rahy hain yani Zaati or Atayi/ Mutasarrif bizzaat ki...par Kharjiyat ka kya ilaaj? to zinda Murda Door Qareeb Mafouqul Matehtul asbaab ki fizul qaido se musalmano ko bewaqoof banana chor kar touba karo. isi me afiyat hai. hasil kalam ye ki chahy banda zinda ho ya murda deta Allah hi hai, is liye bad as wisal Allah ke Muqarrib bando se sawal Jayaz hai Shirk nahin. hasil kalam ye ki chahy banda door ho ya qareeb sunwata Allah hi hai, is liye Allah ke Muqarrib bando se door se madad mangna jayaz hai Shirk nahin. hasil kalam ye ki chahy madad asbab ke tehat ho ya bina asbaab ke Fail e Haqeeqi Allah hi hai is liye Allah ke Muqarrib bando se Mafoqul madad mangna jayaz hai Shirk nahin. baqi raha aapka sawal to usy bhi discuss kar lete hain pehly zara is masly ko sulja saky? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 25 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 25 اپریل 2009 hasil kalam ye ki chahy banda zinda ho ya murda deta Allah hi hai, is liye bad as wisal Allah ke Muqarrib bando se sawal Jayaz hai Shirk nahin. hasil kalam ye ki chahy banda door ho ya qareeb sunwata Allah hi hai, is liye Allah ke Muqarrib bando se door se madad mangna jayaz hai Shirk nahin. hasil kalam ye ki chahy madad asbab ke tehat ho ya bina asbaab ke Fail e Haqeeqi Allah hi hai is liye Allah ke Muqarrib bando se Mafoqul madad mangna jayaz hai Shirk nahin. baqi raha aapka sawal to usy bhi discuss kar lete hain pehly zara is masly ko sulja saky? Janab Asif Attari sahib Sab se pehlye ye ke "pehlye to aap ne kaha ke sawal ka jawba de do to baat khatam ho jayegi" ab main ne jab aap ko jawab diya or aap per aik qaid lagai ke kcuh bhi kehnye se pehly hawala, sanad or waqia ke baghair kuch na kehna to aap ye samajh bethye ke hum sehum gaye.... lakin hum kia karain aap se ye bhi baeed nahin ke aap kisi Sahabi ka Qol dekha kar kahyen ke ab Batoo...... Allah mujhye muaf karaye, Doosri baat ye ke jesa ke main ne pehlye bhi kaha hai ke is tarha to Mushrekeen-e-makka bhi Mushrik na hoye kion ke woh bhi sab kuch Allah hi ki taraf se ata kia hoa or ata kia jana mantye they, to phir aap ne kon se nai baat kardi, Is ke Ilawa Eesayoon ke liye utri Ayat main un ka Ulama ko Rab bananye ka zikr bhi hai jis ki Hadith se tashreeh main hai ke un ka Apny Ulama ke bataye hoye Halal to Haram or Haram ko Halal samjhna or manna hai to phir un ke liye bhi yahi baat hai. Teesri baat ye meri baat ka jab aap Jawab de saken to hi aap ko pata chalye ga ke Nas ke Muqablye main Ijtihad o Qayas ki hasiyat hai. Ab mas ala to aap ko suljhana bulkye samajhna hai ke aap ka aqeedah kis had tak sahi hai is muamlye main.... jesa ke main aik jagha per keh chuka hon ke "agar aap ko ye pata ho ke kisi jagha invest karnye per aap ko nuqsan ka andesha hai to aap yaqeenan wahan per invest nahin karengye, lakin jab yahi baat iman ke silsilye main kahi jati hai to hum apna iman dawo per laga denye ko tayyar hain....? to kion aap shubhat (yani ke jis main andesha ho ke yahan per merye Iman ki salamti ka masala hai) main pertye hain. Jawab ka intizar rahye ga..... Abdul Salam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 26 اپریل 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 26 اپریل 2009 Sab se pehlye ye ke "pehlye to aap ne kaha ke sawal ka jawba de do to baat khatam ho jayegi" ab main ne jab aap ko jawab diya or aap per aik qaid lagai ke kcuh bhi kehnye se pehly hawala, sanad or waqia ke baghair kuch na kehna to aap ye samajh bethye ke hum sehum gaye.... lakin hum kia karain aap se ye bhi baeed nahin ke aap kisi Sahabi ka Qol dekha kar kahyen ke ab Batoo...... Allah mujhye muaf karaye,kya humara jawab itna dandan e shikan tha ki dato ke saath aql bhi khatti ho gayi..? kis nashy me uljulllol bakty ja rahy hain? Sahi hai Jab wahabiyat ka mehal girta hai to ahle khana to badhawas hongy hi...humsy kya baeed hai kya nahin wo to aapny is forum par apni halat karwai hai andaza ho chuka hoga apko !! or is tarah ke bad gumano se bachny ki waqeed na dikhi wahabi ko...? Allah toufique de. abhi zara wehshat se bahar aa gaye hon to chaly apny mozu ki taraf? Doosri baat ye ke jesa ke main ne pehlye bhi kaha hai ke is tarha to Mushrekeen-e-makka bhi Mushrik na hoye kion ke woh bhi sab kuch Allah hi ki taraf se ata kia hoa or ata kia jana mantye they, to phir aap ne kon se nai baat kardi, Wahabi Abdul salam Sahab aap kya badhawasi me likh gaye hain apko kuch shaoor bhi hai? aap ny abhi kuch 2-3 dino pehly hi bari himmat juta kar mere sawal me pooochy gaye shakhs ke bary me reply kiya tha ki wo Mushrik ho jayega...or ab jo apny upar aitraaz likha (be iznillah ke aqeedy ke radd mein mushrik bhi aisy hi thy) in dono situations zameen asman ka farq tha...mere sawal me Allah ki ata or izn na thi or banda mushrik hua..jabki Mushrikeen e makka be iznillah ka aqeedah rakh kar bhi mushrik huey. (wajah yahan se parhy 1,2 ) aapny asal mozu yani apki batil laghw zinda murda door qareeb Mafouqul Matehtul Asbab ko chera bhi nahin. cherty bhi kese? abhi upar hi in qaido ko jooty taly rondty huey seena phula kar kaha tha mushrik ho jayega boliye kya bolna hai wahabis ki ye kesi bhondi khud sakta taqseem hai or ye kesi batil qaidein hain jinko lagany ke baad bhi banda Mushrik ho jata hai? Jabki ye kehty thy ki is taqseem ke tehat mangny wala mushrik nahin momin hi rehta hai? jabki khud tumny usy mushrik qaraar diya? tum nas or qayas or istedlaal ki behas kar rahy thy...Janab e Wahabi jab me is taqseem par nas mangunga to konsi baghal jhakogy? Kuch to dayant dari seekh lo wahabi? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulsalam مراسلہ: 7 مئی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 7 مئی 2009 kya humara jawab itna dandan e shikan tha ki dato ke saath aql bhi khatti ho gayi..? kis nashy me uljulllol bakty ja rahy hain? Sahi hai Jab wahabiyat ka mehal girta hai to ahle khana to badhawas hongy hi...humsy kya baeed hai kya nahin wo to aapny is forum par apni halat karwai hai andaza ho chuka hoga apko !! or is tarah ke bad gumano se bachny ki waqeed na dikhi wahabi ko...? Allah toufique de. abhi zara wehshat se bahar aa gaye hon to chaly apny mozu ki taraf? Sahi kaha aap ne........ ab aap jis tarha bhi khush hona chahiyen ho jayen..... main kon hota hon aap ko apni nasamjhi per khush honye se..........? Wahabi Abdul salam Sahab aap kya badhawasi me likh gaye hain apko kuch shaoor bhi hai? aap ny abhi kuch 2-3 dino pehly hi bari himmat juta kar mere sawal me pooochy gaye shakhs ke bary me reply kiya tha ki wo Mushrik ho jayega...or ab jo apny upar aitraaz likha (be iznillah ke aqeedy ke radd mein mushrik bhi aisy hi thy) in dono situations zameen asman ka farq tha...mere sawal me Allah ki ata or izn na thi or banda mushrik hua..jabki Mushrikeen e makka be iznillah ka aqeedah rakh kar bhi mushrik huey. (wajah yahan se parhy 1,2 ) Merye reply ko zara ghor se parhyen, (under line alfaz ko) phir zara ghor karain....... Mujhye to Allah ka Shukr hai ke ilm hai ke Mushrekeen -e- Makkah kin kin wajoohat ki bina per Mushrik hoye ab aap apni hi sirf manye to main kuch nahin kar sakta.... han aik kam zaroor karain ke Sahba ikram, Tabaeen (RAH) or Taba Tabaeen ki tasaneef daikhain to shaye aap khud hi apnye aqeedah se rojoo kar lain,......... warna Allah hi Hafiz hai aap ka...... Khush rahye aap apnye khud sakhta aqeedah per.... aapny asal mozu yani apki batil laghw zinda murda door qareeb Mafouqul Matehtul Asbab ko chera bhi nahin. cherty bhi kese? abhi upar hi in qaido ko jooty taly rondty huey seena phula kar kaha tha mushrik ho jayega boliye kya bolna hai Ye topic already mojood hai Ghair muqallid section main, baraye mahar bani wahan rojoo karain ufaqa hoga, agar nahin hoa to Marz bohat shiddat ikhtiyar karchuka hai, Dua ki zarorat paryegi....... sath dawa ko na choryen (yani Quran -o- Hadith ko) tum nas or qayas or istedlaal ki behas kar rahy thy...Janab e Wahabi jab me is taqseem par nas mangunga to konsi baghal jhakogy? Janab aap sirf jawab ki baat karain............., aap ko jis per Nas chahiye mang lain.... nas na hoi to Qayas per aayengye... kion ke Qayas ka inkar nahin humrye aqeedah main, han Nas ke muqablye main Qayas hujjat nahin humarye liye........ Jawab ka hanooz intizar hai..... Abdul Salam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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