Fiqah key yeh chand masaail Hadis ke muwafiq?

[Ghulam e Azhari]

Chalain khushi hui aik mozu to ikhtitam ko pocha. Alhamdulillah, maine poori wazahat kardi hai jo kuch aap ne poochi. Ab phir bhi aap isko tehreef samjhen yeh apki marzi hai. Asim sahib ne bohot hi be-bunyad batain, agar aap Qazi sahib se poochainge keh kia Durr-e-Mukhtar main ala tanasul ka esa hona wesa hona? Qazi sahib kahainge keh nahi janab aap ne apni kam-aqli se samjha yeh jabkeh Durr-e-Mukhtar main esi koi baat nahi likhi hui. Baqi ki wazahat main kar chuka hun pichli post main hi poori detail hai. Phir Asim sahib ne Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat qabool karke yaani "phir log jisse chahain imam bana dain" tehreef kar dali Qazi sahib ke usool ke mutabik kiunkeh yeh Imamat wali Hadees main sabit nahi lehaza tehreef hai.

Phir tamasha aap dekh chuke keh meri akhri dandaan shikan post aai to phir mozu tabdeel karne ki soojhi, issi ko maine tamasha kaha tha. Baqi aap ne kuch aur samjha to ap hi ki aql ka fault hai.

Ab InshaAllah main doosra mozu yaani "Sharab se bana hua Sirka" par aik apna hi likha hua article post karunga agli post main. Is se pehle main is imamat wale mozu par aik akhri sawal poochna chahta hun. keh kia imamat ke liye hijrat karna shart hai? Aap keh chuke keh sharaait sirf 4 hain woh Hadees main hai, to ab bataen janab yeh hukm to har sadi (century) main maana jaega warna to tehreef hojaegi baqoul Qazi sahib ke.. phir aap main se kis kis ne hijrat ki hai? Kia Ghair Muqallidon ke har imam ne hijrat ki jo imamat ke liye masjid main itni jaldi taiyar hojate hain? Tabhi to maine hizrat ki wazahat talab ki, taake aap apne alfaaz se aa'iraz na farmain. To ab iska jawab dain. Asim sahib se guzarish hai Qazi sahib ki tarha zimmedar ho kar jawab dain, bila waja kiun left right jaate hain?

 

Allah hamain haq qabool karne ka hosla dai, aur imaan ke masale ko ham apni ana ka masala na banaen. Aammeen.

Edited 23 مارچ 2009 by Shamsheer-e-Ala Hazrat

[Ghulam e Azhari]

 

[Qazi]

Chalain khushi hui aik mozu to ikhtitam ko pocha. Alhamdulillah, maine poori wazahat kardi hai jo kuch aap ne poochi. Ab phir bhi aap isko tehreef samjhen yeh apki marzi hai. Asim sahib ne bohot hi be-bunyad batain, agar aap Qazi sahib se poochainge keh kia Durr-e-Mukhtar main ala tanasul ka esa hona wesa hona? Qazi sahib kahainge keh nahi janab aap ne apni kam-aqli se samjha yeh jabkeh Durr-e-Mukhtar main esi koi baat nahi likhi hui. Baqi ki wazahat main kar chuka hun pichli post main hi poori detail hai. Phir Asim sahib ne Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat qabool karke yaani "phir log jisse chahain imam bana dain" tehreef kar dali Qazi sahib ke usool ke mutabik kiunkeh yeh Imamat wali Hadees main sabit nahi lehaza tehreef hai.

Phir tamasha aap dekh chuke keh meri akhri dandaan shikan post aai to phir mozu tabdeel karne ki soojhi, issi ko maine tamasha kaha tha. Baqi aap ne kuch aur samjha to ap hi ki aql ka fault hai.

Ab InshaAllah main doosra mozu yaani "Sharab se bana hua Sirka" par aik apna hi likha hua article post karunga agli post main. Is se pehle main is imamat wale mozu par aik akhri sawal poochna chahta hun. keh kia imamat ke liye hijrat karna shart hai? Aap keh chuke keh sharaait sirf 4 hain woh Hadees main hai, to ab bataen janab yeh hukm to har sadi (century) main maana jaega warna to tehreef hojaegi baqoul Qazi sahib ke.. phir aap main se kis kis ne hijrat ki hai? Kia Ghair Muqallidon ke har imam ne hijrat ki jo imamat ke liye masjid main itni jaldi taiyar hojate hain? Tabhi to maine hizrat ki wazahat talab ki, taake aap apne alfaaz se aa'iraz na farmain. To ab iska jawab dain. Asim sahib se guzarish hai Qazi sahib ki tarha zimmedar ho kar jawab dain, bila waja kiun left right jaate hain?

 

Allah hamain haq qabool karne ka hosla dai, aur imaan ke masale ko ham apni ana ka masala na banaen. Aammeen.

 

Assalam alykum, Mumtaz bhai plz bhai baat ko idhar udhar na kar key jald se jald faisley ki taraf laney ki koshish karey, Dekhiye aap baar baar iska matlab uska matlab kah kar kyo time kharab kar rahe hai, thareef matlab tahreef man kyo nahi lete. ab sab ne hijrat ki hai ki nahi ye hua ki nahi woh hua ki nahi ye kya hai bhai mainey pehle hi kaha ki allaha ke rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat key saath baat oonchi karney key ham kayal nahi ham aap key martabe ka khayal rakhtey hai. ab aap sahebe dur-re-mukhtar ki kalam ki hifazat key chakkar me ye nahi soch rahe ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki mubark hadith (jo ki dar asal allaha ka hi kaul hoti hai) ki tauhin par tauhin kar rahey hai jissey sakt takleef ho rahi hai ? Sawal tha ki KYA RASOOLULLAHA SALLALLAHO ALLEHE WASSALM NEY IMAMAT KA WOH HUKUM DIYA THA YA NAHI. aap ne nahi diya tha baat khatam khallas. kisi Maa ney woh lal paida nahi kiya jo ab aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat ke baad ye sochey ki issey faisala mushkil hai jaisey aap ne kaha ki agar sab 80 saal key ho tab arey bhai agar sab 80 saal ke ho bhi gaye to koi aisa jaroor hoga jo sirf 1 min. hi bada hoga magar hoga jaroor, ye hamara aquida hai. Agar ab bhi kisi ney is faisley key baad koi aaur baat sochi ya kahi to woh insaan aaur Jinn to ho nahi sakta woh sirf shaitan hi hoga, ye hamara aquida hai.

 

aap baar baar hijrat ka sawal kartey hai bataiye jamat kaha farz hui? phir iska jawab khud mil jayega arey yaar simple hai hijrat aik darja hai jo qyamat tak hoga agar aap ko deen par amal karey se pakistan me roka jaye aaur aap waha se yaha india me aa jaye to aap ko hijrat ka sawab inshallaha milega. phir aap agar mujeh umar me chotey bhi honge to phele imamat ka haq aap ka.

 

Main ab chahta ho dil se ki aap dusrey sawalo ki taraf aa jaiye aaur agli post me jawab de dijiye ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ne woh hukum diye ya nahi, agar jawab nahi dena hai to bhai plz is discussion ko ham band kartey hai.

Edited 24 مارچ 2009 by Qazi

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ab sab ne hijrat ki hai ki nahi ye hua ki nahi woh hua ki nahi ye kya hai bhai mainey pehle hi kaha ki allaha ke rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat key saath baat oonchi karney key ham kayal nahi ham aap key martabe ka khayal rakhtey hai. ab aap sahebe dur-re-mukhtar ki kalam ki hifazat key chakkar me ye nahi soch rahe ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki mubark hadith (jo ki dar asal allaha ka hi kaul hoti hai) ki tauhin par tauhin kar rahey hai jissey sakt takleef ho rahi hai ? Sawal tha ki KYA RASOOLULLAHA SALLALLAHO ALLEHE WASSALM NEY IMAMAT KA WOH HUKUM DIYA THA YA NAHI. aap ne nahi diya tha baat khatam khallas. kisi Maa ney woh lal paida nahi kiya jo ab aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat ke baad ye sochey ki issey faisala mushkil hai jaisey aap ne kaha ki agar sab 80 saal key ho tab arey bhai agar sab 80 saal ke ho bhi gaye to koi aisa jaroor hoga jo sirf 1 min. hi bada hoga magar hoga jaroor, ye hamara aquida hai. Agar ab bhi kisi ney is faisley key baad koi aaur baat sochi ya kahi to woh insaan aaur Jinn to ho nahi sakta woh sirf shaitan hi hoga, ye hamara aquida hai.

 

mai qazi sahib ki baat say agree karta hun aur apni us baat say jis mai kaha tha ke sab ka mashwara lay lo ruju karta hun. Allah kay nabi nay jo baat ki woh haq hai aur us mai keerey nikalna kisi pagal ka hee kam hai. aur Ruju karna sihaba say saabit hai.

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Chalain khushi hui aik mozu to ikhtitam ko pocha. Alhamdulillah, maine poori wazahat kardi hai jo kuch aap ne poochi. Ab phir bhi aap isko tehreef samjhen yeh apki marzi hai. Asim sahib ne bohot hi be-bunyad batain, agar aap Qazi sahib se poochainge keh kia Durr-e-Mukhtar main ala tanasul ka esa hona wesa hona? Qazi sahib kahainge keh nahi janab aap ne apni kam-aqli se samjha yeh jabkeh Durr-e-Mukhtar main esi koi baat nahi likhi hui. Baqi ki wazahat main kar chuka hun pichli post main hi poori detail hai. Phir Asim sahib ne Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat qabool karke yaani "phir log jisse chahain imam bana dain" tehreef kar dali Qazi sahib ke usool ke mutabik kiunkeh yeh Imamat wali Hadees main sabit nahi lehaza tehreef hai.

lagta hai meri baatien shamsheer ki tarhaan aap lo lagi hain itna gussa kion mujh par?

bhai jaan mai ruju kar chuka hun aur merey ruju par aiteraaz karna hai to sihaba par pehley aiteraaz kijiye.

bhai jaan mai nay hadees likhi aur hawala bhi diya aur aap nay kaha asim sahab nay be buniyaad batien ki hai (Nauzubillah)

aur Quran aur ahadees mai taveelaat aur tehreefaat to aap kertey hee hain ab aap sahib e durr e mukhtaar ki batoon ki taveel kar rahey hain un ka yeh matlab tha wo matlab tha.

 

Phir tamasha aap dekh chuke keh meri akhri dandaan shikan post aai to phir mozu tabdeel karne ki soojhi, issi ko maine tamasha kaha tha. Baqi aap ne kuch aur samjha to ap hi ki aql ka fault hai.

 

aap nay phir tamasha kaha mujhai lagta hai aap aalimana alfaaz use karney sey ghabratey hain. aur konsi dandaan shikan post?? humien to lagi hee nahi. aur muzu kis nay change kiya jhoot to kum sey kum na bolien.

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Mashallah janab nay kitney aram say keh diya hai keh yeh mansookh hai muslim wala hukam haan janab karien bhi kya imaam karkhi(hanfi) ki kitab asool e karkhi ki ibarat kisi say dhaki chupi nahi hai

(har woh hadees jo hamarey ashaab kay khilaaf ho wo nasakh par mahmool hai ya wo moariz ho gee is jesi kisi hadees kay)Asool e karkhi page 11 Tba Idara Ahya Al Sunnah

 

lihaza asooli soorat e haal he yeh hei becharey hanfioon ki to phir jis qadar bhi sahih dalaail kion na paish kar diye jaien to woh qaabil e qabool kesey ho saktey hain??? baat asal yeh hai imam ki baat ko saabit karney kay liye zaeef aur mozooh ahadees ka sahara liya jata hai aur sahih ahadees ko chor diya jata hai.

 

hazrat jabir bin abdullah raziallahanho farmatey hain Be shak Rasool Allah Sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya jo cheeze ziada istemaal kerney sey nasha paida karey us ko thorra istemaal karna bhi haraam hai(tirmizi p 6/8 abwaab al ashraba)

 

aap nay ariticle may galat byani ki hai aap nay likha hai kay angoor ki shraab haraam hai halaankeh hidaya kitab ul ashraba 4/421 mai likha hai

angoor ka sheerah jub isay pakaya jaye yahaan tuk keh is ka do tehaai hissa chala jaye(khushk ho jaye) aur aik tehaai baqi reh jaye to yeh agar husool e quwwat kay liye istemaal kiya jaye to imam abu hanifa aur abu yusuf kay nazdeek halaal hai agarcha is mai shiddat paida ho jaye(yani nasha paida ho jaye)

 

ya to aap ki baat sahi hai ya sahib e hidaya aap yahaan kaheen gay keh is mai husool e taqat kay liye istemaal karna jaiz likha hai to lijiye janab hadees paish hai

hazrat ceelam humairee raziallahanho byan kartey hain keh mai nay rasool Allah Sallahu alihewasallam say sawaal kiya hum aik sard ilaqay mai kam kartey hain aur hum sakhat mushaqqat ka kam kartey hain aur hum gandum say sharaab taiyaar kartey hain jis say hum apney kam aur apney mulk ki sardee par takat(quwwat) haasil kartey hain to aap SALLAHU ALIHEWASALLAM nay farmaya kya is kay istemaal say nasha paida ho jata hai?? to mai nay kaha haan is say nasha paida hota hai. to aap nay farmaya is ko istemaal na kiya karo to mai nay kaha loge to is ko nahi chorrien gay to Rasool Allah Sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya agar woh loge is sharaab ko (jo husool e quwwat kay liye istemaal ki jati hai) to tum in say jihad karna (abu dawood jild 2 page 162 kitab ul ashraba)

 

aap nay behaqay aur darqutni say hadees paish ki janab is ki sanad to parho kya hai paya saboot tuk pohonchti hai ya kay nahi??? khud hee jawab mil jaye ga aur is kay muqaabley mai muslim ki hadees ko mansookh kese bana diya khadim e Rasool Hazrat Anas raziallahanho farmatey hain keh beshak nabi kareem sallahu alihewasallam say sharaab kay barey mai sawaal kiya gya keh is say sirqa taiyaar kar liya jaye to aap nay irshaad farmaya nahi muslim 2/163 kitab ul ashraba itni wazeh hadees hai yeh.

 

aap nay kaha is mai sirkay kay haram honey kay barey mai zikar hee nahi sirf LA ka zikar hai to janab yeh aap ki kya fazool tareen baat hai ALLAH kay nabi say sharaab kay sirkay kay barey mai hee sawaal hua tha au aap nay us ka hee jawab diya hai aisee faqahat aap ko he mubarak ho. ooper hadees bar bar parhein nabi say jis cheeze ka sawal hua us ka hee jawab daina hai ya nahi ya to aik uar gustaakhi karien kay nauzubillah nabi nay jawab deney mai khianat kar dee hai Lanat karey Allah aisey logoon par jo aisa sochtey hain.

 

 

aap nay logoon ko kitna dhoka diya hai yeh keh kar kay Quran ki ayat say takratee hai janab Quran aur hadees mai zra bhi ikhtilaaf nahi hai. Muslim ki hadees sahi hai aur is ka aiteraaf aap nay apney hee article mai kar diya hai aur kaha hai kah mansookh hai. sahi mana tub hee to is ko mansookh karaar diya na janab aap kon hotey hain mansookh karney waley.

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Assalam alykum, Mumtaz bhai plz bhai baat ko idhar udhar na kar key jald se jald faisley ki taraf laney ki koshish karey, Dekhiye aap baar baar iska matlab uska matlab kah kar kyo time kharab kar rahe hai, thareef matlab tahreef man kyo nahi lete. ab sab ne hijrat ki hai ki nahi ye hua ki nahi woh hua ki nahi ye kya hai bhai mainey pehle hi kaha ki allaha ke rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat key saath baat oonchi karney key ham kayal nahi ham aap key martabe ka khayal rakhtey hai. ab aap sahebe dur-re-mukhtar ki kalam ki hifazat key chakkar me ye nahi soch rahe ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki mubark hadith (jo ki dar asal allaha ka hi kaul hoti hai) ki tauhin par tauhin kar rahey hai jissey sakt takleef ho rahi hai ? Sawal tha ki KYA RASOOLULLAHA SALLALLAHO ALLEHE WASSALM NEY IMAMAT KA WOH HUKUM DIYA THA YA NAHI. aap ne nahi diya tha baat khatam khallas. kisi Maa ney woh lal paida nahi kiya jo ab aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ki baat ke baad ye sochey ki issey faisala mushkil hai jaisey aap ne kaha ki agar sab 80 saal key ho tab arey bhai agar sab 80 saal ke ho bhi gaye to koi aisa jaroor hoga jo sirf 1 min. hi bada hoga magar hoga jaroor, ye hamara aquida hai. Agar ab bhi kisi ney is faisley key baad koi aaur baat sochi ya kahi to woh insaan aaur Jinn to ho nahi sakta woh sirf shaitan hi hoga, ye hamara aquida hai.

Yaani aapko phir confirm tehqeeq karni parhgi aik aik minute ki warna tehreef hojaegi aur imamat Haram hojaegi, haina? Khair yeh to ese hi kaha maine!

Bhai, barhi umar ke logon ke baare main aksar esa hota hai keh unki tareekh-e-paidaish sabit nahi hoti. Ab jese maine aksar barhi umar ke logon ko dekha jo India se hijrat karke aae hain unko apni tareekh-e-paidaish maloom nahi hoti. Ab farz karain keh un 10 k 10 logon ki umar andazan 80 saal ki lagti hai lekin tareekh-e-paidaish kisi ki sabit nahi hai (yaqin to nahi horaha hoga lekin farz karain keh esa masala paish agaya phir) phir janab kia karainge?

Asim sahib ne to kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat par amal kia jaega yaani "phir log jisse chahain imaam bana dain" lekin yeh to tehreef hogai na bhai....!!! Ab bazahir woh aap se ruju karte hue nazar arahe hain, chalain aapki marzi, yeh bhi apki marzi keh logon se mashwara karna bhi Haram aur shaitani amal hai. bohot ache! Acha to ala tanasul wali baat se kon ruju karega? Qazi sahib inko zara samjhaen keh is par ruju karne ka bhi please.

 

Chalain, aapki is tamam baat ka mafhoom aur Asim sahib ki aik post ka mafhoom aik hi nikalta hai keh aap yeh maante hani keh jo cheez Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi woh tehreef yaani Bid'at hai. Aur har bid'at par amal karna Haram hai aur gumrahi hai aur esa karne wala insaan ya Jinn nahi shaitan hota hai. Janab aik baat aap ko main aur bata dun, aap ne kaha tha tehreef is bunyad par hai keh imamat ki asal 4 sharait hain aur aao 21 maante hain, iska maine jawab dia phir apko ab aap keh rahe hain keh janab jo bhi hai hai to tehreef chahe sharait ho ya kuch hon.

Yaani imamat ke liye naik bande ko tarjeeh dena shaitani amal aur tehreef hai,

imamat ke liye ziyada namaz ke masaail janne wala paish karna shaitani amal hai,

waghera waghera.

Phir aap ne kaha maine Hadees ki tauhin par tauhin ki, yaqin ki jiye aap se mujhe is ilzaam ki umeed na thi. Mujhe barha dukh hua aapki yeh baat parh kar. Baharhaal, yeh masala ab imamat ki sharait se badal kar tehreef aur Bid'at ki taraf jaa raha hai, is par to bohot se topic khule hue hain janab aap ne nae sirre se yeh baat karni chahi imamat ka mozu ta'aruf karwa kar woh bhi direct nahi, pehle khoob aitarazat kiye phir jawab milne par baad main asal baat kahi keh bid'at hai. Bid'at o Tehreef ke mamle main chand aik yeh topics hain,

Phir yeh wala to ghaliban aap hi ke aik Ghair Muqallid bhai ne khola hua hai jo ab ghayab hogae hain, shayad woh sabit nahi kar paa rahe hain to agar aap unki madad kar sakte hain is par to zaroor karain keh "jo Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi uspar amal Haram aur shaitani amal hai":

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baar baar hijrat ka sawal kartey hai bataiye jamat kaha farz hui? phir iska jawab khud mil jayega arey yaar simple hai hijrat aik darja hai jo qyamat tak hoga agar aap ko deen par amal karey se pakistan me roka jaye aaur aap waha se yaha india me aa jaye to aap ko hijrat ka sawab inshallaha milega. phir aap agar mujeh umar me chotey bhi honge to phele imamat ka haq aap ka.

 

baar baar kab kaha hai? aik hi post par to baat ki hai hijrat ki shart ke mamle par...! Aap bhi na mazak karte rehte hain. lol

Anyways, Bhai to aap ne bataya nahi keh hijrat imamat ke liye shart hai to isko khulle aam aap ki taraf se awazain kiun nahi aatin keh hijrat jisne nahi ki uski imamat Haram aur sarasar tehreef hai aur shaitani amal hai? Agar main ghalat nahi to Hijrat to tabhi ki jaati hai jab kisi ilaaqe rehna hi dushwar hojae aur imaan bachane ke liye hijrat karni parh jaae apna maal waghera chorh kar. Phir aap ki masaajid ke imamon ne esi koi hijrat ki? Warna to musafat kehte ya shift hojana kehte haina? Ab jese koi kuffar ke ilaaqe se behzaar hokar Musalmanon ki saltanat main aae apna imaan bachane ki niyat se keh rehna hi dushwar hogaya, to kahainge keh usne hijrat ki... To jo log Europe waghera Kuffar ke mulkon main jaate hain woh bhi apna Islami mulk chorh kar woh to hijrat nahi hai phir woh imamat kese kar lete hain wahan? Yaqinan woh Tableegh ke liye jaate hain, lekin hijrat karne ke liye thorhi jaate hain...

 

Main ab chahta ho dil se ki aap dusrey sawalo ki taraf aa jaiye aaur agli post me jawab de dijiye ki aap sallallaho allehe wassalam ne woh hukum diye ya nahi, agar jawab nahi dena hai to bhai plz is discussion ko ham band kartey hai.

 

Jee aap ne sahih kaha keh ab imamat se hatt kar tehreef-o-bid'at tak chala gaya mamla, to behtar hai unhi topics par baat karain jis par pehle ho chuka ho ya horaha ho taake baat dobara ibtida se shuru karain na parhe, warna waqt zaya hoga. Mazrat aik aur baat karna parh rahi hai, keh mere imtahaan bhi shuru hone wale hain, lehaza computer par waqt dena mushkil hojaega. Lekin Alhamdulillah, mere ilm ke mutabik maine poori wazahat kardi hai un aitarazat ki jo Durr-e-Mukhtar par kiye gae the. Ab baat chali Tehreef-o-Bid'at par to is mozu ka sahih tareeqa bhi apko bata dia. Wese yeh mozu par baat ho chuki hui hai dusre topics par. InshaAllah fikar na karain, is topic ko jaari rakhne ke liye aik aur bhai se maine guzarish ki hai woh jawab de dena shuru kardenge aapko. InshaAllah meri kami mehsoos nahi hogi.

Akhri baat yeh keh janaab Asim sahib aap ki akhri post ke hawalat jo diye hain InshaAllah unko mila kar main dekhunga, kuch taqeeq ke baad jawab ya khud dunga ya dilwa dunga. Intazar farmaen!

Mumtaz.

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Yaani aapko phir confirm tehqeeq karni parhgi aik aik minute ki warna tehreef hojaegi aur imamat Haram hojaegi, haina? Khair yeh to ese hi kaha maine!

Bhai, barhi umar ke logon ke baare main aksar esa hota hai keh unki tareekh-e-paidaish sabit nahi hoti. Ab jese maine aksar barhi umar ke logon ko dekha jo India se hijrat karke aae hain unko apni tareekh-e-paidaish maloom nahi hoti. Ab farz karain keh un 10 k 10 logon ki umar andazan 80 saal ki lagti hai lekin tareekh-e-paidaish kisi ki sabit nahi hai (yaqin to nahi horaha hoga lekin farz karain keh esa masala paish agaya phir) phir janab kia karainge?

Asim sahib ne to kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat par amal kia jaega yaani "phir log jisse chahain imaam bana dain" lekin yeh to tehreef hogai na bhai....!!! Ab bazahir woh aap se ruju karte hue nazar arahe hain, chalain aapki marzi, yeh bhi apki marzi keh logon se mashwara karna bhi Haram aur shaitani amal hai. bohot ache! Acha to ala tanasul wali baat se kon ruju karega? Qazi sahib inko zara samjhaen keh is par ruju karne ka bhi please.

janab aap brelvi loge farz bohet kartey hain bhai zra haqeeqat ki duniya me bhi aaien farz kar kar ke deen bigaar dala he aap logoon ne. ala tanasul ki baat kartey huye he mujhey sharam aati he. us say kese ruju kar loon durre mukhtaar me to yeh hee word likha hai phir aap chahe jo marzi taveel kar lien ala tanasul ka word likhtey huye sharm na aai aap ke allama ko koi ur word use kar letey. aur aap ko sharaait e imamut ki hadees bheji thi aap ke in sarey bebuniyaad sawaloon ka jawab us me hai. idher udher kion bhagtey ho hadees parho aur jawab le lo.

Chalain, aapki is tamam baat ka mafhoom aur Asim sahib ki aik post ka mafhoom aik hi nikalta hai keh aap yeh maante hani keh jo cheez Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi woh tehreef yaani Bid'at hai. Aur har bid'at par amal karna Haram hai aur gumrahi hai aur esa karne wala insaan ya Jinn nahi shaitan hota hai. Janab aik baat aap ko main aur bata dun, aap ne kaha tha tehreef is bunyad par hai keh imamat ki asal 4 sharait hain aur aao 21 maante hain, iska maine jawab dia phir apko ab aap keh rahe hain keh janab jo bhi hai hai to tehreef chahe sharait ho ya kuch hon.

bhai aap ko tehreef aur bidat me farq nazar nahi aata kya. bidat deen me nai cheeze ejad karne ka naam hai. aur tehreef quran o hadees me lafzi ya moanavi changing kokehtey hain. jis ko itna nahi pata wo kya ilmi baat karey ga. aap sirf idher udher ki baat ker kay waqt zaai kar rahey hain.

 

Yaani imamat ke liye naik bande ko tarjeeh dena shaitani amal aur tehreef hai,

imamat ke liye ziyada namaz ke masaail janne wala paish karna shaitani amal hai,

waghera waghera.

ilzam tarashi to brelviat ke thekey daroon ki purani aadat hai hum nay yeh kub kha keh yeh shetani amal hai.hamara dawah to yeh hai keh jo baat hadees me hai durre mukhtaar me us k tehreef kar dee gai hai.

 

Anyways, Bhai to aap ne bataya nahi keh hijrat imamat ke liye shart hai to isko khulle aam aap ki taraf se awazain kiun nahi aatin keh hijrat jisne nahi ki uski imamat Haram aur sarasar tehreef hai aur shaitani amal hai? Agar main ghalat nahi to Hijrat to tabhi ki jaati hai jab kisi ilaaqe rehna hi dushwar hojae aur imaan bachane ke liye hijrat karni parh jaae apna maal waghera chorh kar. Phir aap ki masaajid ke imamon ne esi koi hijrat ki? Warna to musafat kehte ya shift hojana kehte haina? Ab jese koi kuffar ke ilaaqe se behzaar hokar Musalmanon ki saltanat main aae apna imaan bachane ki niyat se keh rehna hi dushwar hogaya, to kahainge keh usne hijrat ki... To jo log Europe waghera Kuffar ke mulkon main jaate hain woh bhi apna Islami mulk chorh kar woh to hijrat nahi hai phir woh imamat kese kar lete hain wahan? Yaqinan woh Tableegh ke liye jaate hain, lekin hijrat karne ke liye thorhi jaate hain...

 

bhai mera khyaal hai hadees ko samajhna aap kay bus ki baat nahi hai. tubhi to hadees par aiteraaz ker rahe hain. hadees aisey hai keh sab se pehley quran ziada parhney waley ka haq hai barabri ki soorat me 2nd number par ilam bil sunnah [yani sunnat ka ilam ziadah rakhne waley] ka haq hai, 3rd number par pehley hijrat laney wale ka haq hai. aur 4th number par pehley islamlane wale ka haq hai[ya phir bari omer waley ka] sahi muslim kitab ul masaajid baab mun ahaqa bil imamatun] to janab is ko bar bar parheen yhaa tuk keh yaad ho jaye. jawab mil jaye ga. INSHALLAH agar kisi nai hijrat nahi ki to is ka matlab yeh aap kese nikal rahey hain ke imam nahi bun sakta. yeh to qazi sahib ne nahi kha kion jhoot boltey hain. aap jo misaal day rahe hain us he ko lay letey hain. un logoon me sab se pehley dekha jaye ga keh quran ki tilawat sab se ziada kon kerta hai. agar barabur hun gay to phir dekha jaye ga sunnat sab se ziada kon janta he aur agar is me bi barabur hun to phir dekha jaye ga hijrat pehey kis nay ki aur us me bhi barabur hun to phir sab se bari age wale ko diya jaye ga. ab aap keh rahe hain farz karien to janab aap he ko mubarak ho aisey farz karna aisa ho nahi sakta ke 80 kay 80 loge aik jesey hun ya 10 ke 10 aik jesey hun. Allah aur us ke rasool ko sab se behter pata tha deen kese samjhana hai aur kya ho sakta hai kya nahi. aap he ko mubarak ho aisee faqahat.

 

 

Akhri baat yeh keh janaab Asim sahib aap ki akhri post ke hawalat jo diye hain InshaAllah unko mila kar main dekhunga, kuch taqeeq ke baad jawab ya khud dunga ya dilwa dunga. Intazar farmaen!

Mumtaz.

MashAllah filhaal aap ke pass koi jawab nahi ALHAMDULILLAH wese me intezaar karun ga ke aap is ki kya taveel kartey hain.

[Qazi]

Yaani aapko phir confirm tehqeeq karni parhgi aik aik minute ki warna tehreef hojaegi aur imamat Haram hojaegi, haina? Khair yeh to ese hi kaha maine!

Bhai, barhi umar ke logon ke baare main aksar esa hota hai keh unki tareekh-e-paidaish sabit nahi hoti. Ab jese maine aksar barhi umar ke logon ko dekha jo India se hijrat karke aae hain unko apni tareekh-e-paidaish maloom nahi hoti. Ab farz karain keh un 10 k 10 logon ki umar andazan 80 saal ki lagti hai lekin tareekh-e-paidaish kisi ki sabit nahi hai (yaqin to nahi horaha hoga lekin farz karain keh esa masala paish agaya phir) phir janab kia karainge?

Asim sahib ne to kaha keh Durr-e-Mukhtar ki 21wi ibarat par amal kia jaega yaani "phir log jisse chahain imaam bana dain" lekin yeh to tehreef hogai na bhai....!!! Ab bazahir woh aap se ruju karte hue nazar arahe hain, chalain aapki marzi, yeh bhi apki marzi keh logon se mashwara karna bhi Haram aur shaitani amal hai. bohot ache! Acha to ala tanasul wali baat se kon ruju karega? Qazi sahib inko zara samjhaen keh is par ruju karne ka bhi please.

 

Chalain, aapki is tamam baat ka mafhoom aur Asim sahib ki aik post ka mafhoom aik hi nikalta hai keh aap yeh maante hani keh jo cheez Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi woh tehreef yaani Bid'at hai. Aur har bid'at par amal karna Haram hai aur gumrahi hai aur esa karne wala insaan ya Jinn nahi shaitan hota hai. Janab aik baat aap ko main aur bata dun, aap ne kaha tha tehreef is bunyad par hai keh imamat ki asal 4 sharait hain aur aao 21 maante hain, iska maine jawab dia phir apko ab aap keh rahe hain keh janab jo bhi hai hai to tehreef chahe sharait ho ya kuch hon.

Yaani imamat ke liye naik bande ko tarjeeh dena shaitani amal aur tehreef hai,

imamat ke liye ziyada namaz ke masaail janne wala paish karna shaitani amal hai,

waghera waghera.

Phir aap ne kaha maine Hadees ki tauhin par tauhin ki, yaqin ki jiye aap se mujhe is ilzaam ki umeed na thi. Mujhe barha dukh hua aapki yeh baat parh kar. Baharhaal, yeh masala ab imamat ki sharait se badal kar tehreef aur Bid'at ki taraf jaa raha hai, is par to bohot se topic khule hue hain janab aap ne nae sirre se yeh baat karni chahi imamat ka mozu ta'aruf karwa kar woh bhi direct nahi, pehle khoob aitarazat kiye phir jawab milne par baad main asal baat kahi keh bid'at hai. Bid'at o Tehreef ke mamle main chand aik yeh topics hain,

Phir yeh wala to ghaliban aap hi ke aik Ghair Muqallid bhai ne khola hua hai jo ab ghayab hogae hain, shayad woh sabit nahi kar paa rahe hain to agar aap unki madad kar sakte hain is par to zaroor karain keh "jo Sahih Hadees se sabit nahi uspar amal Haram aur shaitani amal hai":

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?showtopic=6960

 

Baqi yeh topics hain:

yeh topics hain:

http://www.islamieducation.com/ur/عقائ...-wa-ahkaam.html

http://www.ja-alhaq.com/urdu-section/ahle-...sey-saboot.html

 

 

 

baar baar kab kaha hai? aik hi post par to baat ki hai hijrat ki shart ke mamle par...! Aap bhi na mazak karte rehte hain. lol

Anyways, Bhai to aap ne bataya nahi keh hijrat imamat ke liye shart hai to isko khulle aam aap ki taraf se awazain kiun nahi aatin keh hijrat jisne nahi ki uski imamat Haram aur sarasar tehreef hai aur shaitani amal hai? Agar main ghalat nahi to Hijrat to tabhi ki jaati hai jab kisi ilaaqe rehna hi dushwar hojae aur imaan bachane ke liye hijrat karni parh jaae apna maal waghera chorh kar. Phir aap ki masaajid ke imamon ne esi koi hijrat ki? Warna to musafat kehte ya shift hojana kehte haina? Ab jese koi kuffar ke ilaaqe se behzaar hokar Musalmanon ki saltanat main aae apna imaan bachane ki niyat se keh rehna hi dushwar hogaya, to kahainge keh usne hijrat ki... To jo log Europe waghera Kuffar ke mulkon main jaate hain woh bhi apna Islami mulk chorh kar woh to hijrat nahi hai phir woh imamat kese kar lete hain wahan? Yaqinan woh Tableegh ke liye jaate hain, lekin hijrat karne ke liye thorhi jaate hain...

 

 

 

Jee aap ne sahih kaha keh ab imamat se hatt kar tehreef-o-bid'at tak chala gaya mamla, to behtar hai unhi topics par baat karain jis par pehle ho chuka ho ya horaha ho taake baat dobara ibtida se shuru karain na parhe, warna waqt zaya hoga. Mazrat aik aur baat karna parh rahi hai, keh mere imtahaan bhi shuru hone wale hain, lehaza computer par waqt dena mushkil hojaega. Lekin Alhamdulillah, mere ilm ke mutabik maine poori wazahat kardi hai un aitarazat ki jo Durr-e-Mukhtar par kiye gae the. Ab baat chali Tehreef-o-Bid'at par to is mozu ka sahih tareeqa bhi apko bata dia. Wese yeh mozu par baat ho chuki hui hai dusre topics par. InshaAllah fikar na karain, is topic ko jaari rakhne ke liye aik aur bhai se maine guzarish ki hai woh jawab de dena shuru kardenge aapko. InshaAllah meri kami mehsoos nahi hogi.

Akhri baat yeh keh janaab Asim sahib aap ki akhri post ke hawalat jo diye hain InshaAllah unko mila kar main dekhunga, kuch taqeeq ke baad jawab ya khud dunga ya dilwa dunga. Intazar farmaen!

Mumtaz.

 

Assalam alykum, brothers

 

Asim saheb good job. Mera adhey se jyada kaam asim bhai ne kar diya hai, ab mujeh mumtaz bhai aap se kehna hai ki agar jo mushkilat aap ne batai ki ab aap continue nahi kar payenge aapki jagah aapke koi dost is munazarey ko aage le jayege to kya agar aisi mushkil kisi dusrey ke saath pesh aati to aap kisi jabardast alfaz ka istemaal nahi kartey jo aap ne pehle kar chukey hai Khair ham is baat key kayal nahi hamara kaam sirf baat ka pahochana ''BALLIGO ANNI WAL AYA" hai, aap allaha aaur uskey rasool ka kaha maney ya na maney unki shaan me ratti barabar kami aaney ki nahi.

 

Ham aapkey liye exam me kamyabi ki dua kartey hai allaha aap ko kamyab karey us exam me bhi aaur sab se bade aakhri exam me bhi, aaur aap Allaha key rasool sallallaho allehe wassalam ki risalat ki oonchai ko pehchan le aaur kabhi us shkas ka difa na karey jo aap sallallaho allehe wasalam ke baat me tahreef karey aap ko pata hoga ki hazrat umar bin khattab radiallaha ki sunnat hai ki aisey shaks ki height ko uper ki taraf se 10" (inch) choti kar diya jaye.

 

Tarikh me aik kissa bada mashoor hai ki aik yahodi aaur aik musalmaan me kisi baat par jhagda ho gaya to woh dono aap sallallaho allehe wasalam key pass aaye to aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ne yahodi key haq me faisala kar diya. ye baat us muslim (munafiq) ko thik nahi lagi usney kaha aik baar hazrat umar se bhi faisla kara liya jaye jab wey log umar radiallaha key pass aye aaur bataya ki aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ne faisla kar diya hai aap ne faoran us munafiq muslim ka sar kalam kar diya aaur farmaya jab aap sallallaho allehe wasallam ney koi baat farma di to phir mujse dobara poochi hi kyo gai.

 

Aap ney aik baar kaha tha ki aquidey ki buniyad par main aap ka bhai nahi hu. mainey kaha tha aap ka aquida masley me imam abu hanifa ramaullah key muquallid hai aaur Aquidey me Imam Abu Hasan Ashari aaur Imam Abu Mansoor Matoridi key aap ney jawab nahi diya aisa kyo ?

 

Aaap janey se pehle un sawalo ka jawab de saktey they kyoki woh to bas haa ya nahi me hi diye ja saktey hai. Main aik baar phir se likh raha ho baad walo ko asani hogi.

 

1. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne zabaan se namaz ki niyat ki ?

 

2. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne Gardan ka Masah kiya ?

 

3. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki mard naaf key neechey haath bandhey aaur aaurat siney par ?

 

4. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ne hukum diya ki aakhri tashhadud me mard apney ultey pair par aaur aurat bator tawarukh apney kulhe par baithey?

 

5. Kya Rasoolullaha sallallaho allehe wasslam ney hukum diya ki 1 dirham se kam Nizasatey Galize agar kapdo me ya badan par lag jaye to usey dhoye bina namaz ho jayegi?

Edited 25 مارچ 2009 by Qazi

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bhai jaan shamsheer e ala hazrat aap nay hadees jo apney article mai paish ki hai pehli baat to yeh hai kay aap nay us ka hawala nahi diya poora. kion kay aap ko pata tha kay koi agar parh lay ga to haqeeqat samnay aa jaye gee. aap nay meeta meeta kha liya hai aur korra korra(bitter) thuk diya hai khair aap refrence poora dien ya na dien. Hum aap ko jawab detey hain.

 

2nd yeh kay mai nay kaha tha kay is hadees ki sanad parho aap nay nahi parhi aur na hee batai. khair aap nay behqi say hadees quote kar dee lekin imam behqi ka jo hukam hai is hadees par wo kha gaye????

 

imam behqi hee farmatey hain kay

1.is mai mughira qavi nahi.

2. Abu zubair mudallis hai aur a`n say riyawat kehta hai.

 

jis riwayat mai aik nahi do do illatien hoon us ko aap MUSLIM ki hadees kay samnay paish kar rahey hain??. arre hamari nahi mannani to raza khan ki hee maan lo jis nay kaha tha. SIHAH ki hadees kay muqabley mai doosri hadees paish kartey ho SHARAM SHARAM SHARAM.......

 

HUM BHI YEH KEHTEY HAIN Muslim ki hadees kay samnay behqi ki hadees paish kartey ho......... sharm sharam sharam.............

 

aur shayed aap ko pata ho kay na ho kay muhaddiseen kay nazdeek a`n say riwayat zaeef hoti hai. aur pata nahi aap ko asool e hadees ka pata hai bhi kay nahi pata nahi samajh aa bhi rahi hai ya kay nahi. agar nahi aa rahi to ahl e sunnat(salafi) madrassay mai dakhla karwa lien.

 

aap nay aakhir kaar gustaakhi kar hee dee kay muslim wali hadees mai hukam wazeh nahi hai. aur khraab karney ki koshish ki. aur nauzubillah maan liya kay nabi ka hukam wazeh nahi hai. janab mai ALLAH ki qasam kha kar kehta hun kay nabi ka hukam bilkul wazeh hai aur jo us mai keerey nikalta hai wo sab say bara bud bakht hai. aap kay khyaal mai sihaba ko jis cheeze say nabi rokien kya wo us cheezien karien gay. kar dien aik aur gustakhi kay janab sihaba bhi yeh sochtey hun gay kay nabi ka hukam wazeh nahi hai us mai aisa hai waisa hai. janab mai nai to pehley hee asool e karkhi say hawala paish kiya tha. aap loge asal mai hadees nahi mantey sirf imam ki baat saabit karney kay liye zaeef aur mozu hadees ki taraf bhagtey ho. arre ALLAH kay nabi ki baat hai koi mazak nahi hai. imam abdullah bin mubarak nay farmaya tha agar hadees ki sanad na hoti to har koi jo jee mai aata keh daita(muqaddama sahi muslim) aap baat nahi manien gay kabhi bhi hamari aap sirf waqt zaaia kar rahey hain.

 

aap nay kaha quran say jo hadees(yani muslim wali hadees) takrati hai us ko manien gay ya wo jo nahi takrati janab aap nay jo ayat article mai likhi hai. us mai khaan hai kay shraab ka sirka halal hai?? kion dhoka detey ho?? pehley hee bohet dhoka deney ki koshish kar rahey ho ab bus karo. ALLAH aur us kay RASOOL ko pata hai kay konsi cheeze pak hai konsi cheeze napak. aap jitni marzi koshish kar lien us ko pak bananey ki hum to sihaba ki tarhaan aamanna saddakna kehtey hain. Allah kay nabi Sallahu alihewasallam nay LA keh diya hamarey liye kafi hai. mubarak ho aap ko ahmad raza khan ki shamsheer jo sahih ahadees ko chor kar zaeef ahadees ki taraf ruju karti hai aur sahi ahadees ko mansookh qarar deti hai.

[Qazi]

Asim bhai assalam alykum, ab yaha par post karney ka koi faida raha nahi, munazarey ka result aa chuka hai,aap ne dekha hi hai,

 

Main to kaha tha ki sirf 5-6 sawalo me se aik ka bhi jawab agar ba sanad sahih de diya to main hanfi ho jaonga aaur, aap ko apna ameer tasleem kar loonga, magar woh jawab nahi de sakey aaur na qyamat ki subah tak koi jawab de sakega, allaha inhe hidayat naseem karey. huzzat tamam hui, hamney baat pahonch di, ab ye maney na maney inki marzi, kyoki inhe maloom hoga tauba adam ke sunnat hai aaur zeed shaitan ki ye apne aap ko kaha rakhtey hai inki marzi.

 

agar aap ka orkut par accout hoga to mujse rabta qayam karey, qazi adnan, raipur india search karey aaur mujeh add kar ley phir inshallaha khaylat ka tabadala hoga.

 

wassalam

Qazi Adnan.

[Saeedi]

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Vinegar is a well known basic foodstuff, made from wine of which the composition has changed so that it is no longer sweet but is acidic or sour.

 

Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What a good food is vinegar.” (Reported by Muslim, 3/1623)

 

When wine turns to vinegar by itself, without any deliberate treatment needed for it to be changed, it is permissible to eat, drink and handle it, according to the consensus of the scholars, because of the hadeeth quoted above.

 

But if the wine has become vinegar because of deliberate treatment, by adding vinegar, onions, salt etc., or by any other process, in this case the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differ as to whether it is permissible.

 

The Shafi’is, Hanbalis and some of the Maalikis say that it is not permissible to deliberately change wine to vinegar because then it is not pure. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked whether wine could be changed to be used as vinegar. He said, ‘No.’” (Reported by Muslim).

 

Abu Talhah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about some orphans who had inherited some wine. He said, “Pour it away.” He was asked, “Could they not make it into vinegar?” He said, “No.” (Reported by Muslim).

 

The reason for this is:

 

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded us to avoid wine. Keeping it and treating it until it turns into vinegar means handling it and being involved with it by storing it and benefitting from it, and this is not permitted.

 

It is permitted for a Muslim to buy vinegar from someone who is selling it, unless he realizes or comes to know that it was produced by means of a deliberate process. ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “… There is nothing wrong with a man buying vinegar from the people of the Book, if they sell it, so long as he knows that they did not deliberately process it from wine.” (Al-Mughni, 8/330)

 

And Allaah knows best.

 

(Bidaayat al-Mujtahid li Ibn Rushd, 1/461; Kashshaaf al-Qinaa’ li’l-Bahwati, 1/187; Fath al-Qadeer li Ibn al-Hammaam, 8/166; al-Majmoo’ li’l-Nawawi, 1/225; al-Mughni li Ibn Qudaamah, 8/319).

 

 

 

 

 

Islam Q&A

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

[Saeedi]

[Abdulsalam]

 

Janab Saeedi sahib,

Jawab #. 1

Aap mantye hain ke

i) Hazoor e Akram ne Kaheen per bhi Niyat ke zuban se ada karnye ka hukum nahin diya

ii) Apnye amal se hum ko daras diya ke hum bhi niyat dil main karain

 

Ab aap teesri cheez "Mubah, Muaf" etc ko le ker aaye hain, well sirf itna araz hai ke Hadit ke mutabiq, Namaz us tarha ada karo jesa ke mujhye ada kartye dekhtye hon", to yahi sawal main alrady aap se kar chuka hon........?

Ab aap ki marzi sirf apni baat ko sabit karnye ke liye Mubah ka sahara len.

Jawab to bahar hal yahi hai ke Ahadeeth main Zuban se Niyaat karnye ka hukum nahin hain.

 

Jawab #. 2

Gardan ka masah, to aap yahan bhi mantye hain ke

i) Hazoor e Akram ne gardan Masah ka alag se koi hukm nahin diya.

ii) Hazooe e Akram ne apnye amal se Sar ke masah ke saath gardan ka masah haath ki hathelion se kia.

 

Janab saeedi sahib main apni pichli post main bata chuka hon ke Pagri ka masah kuis hadith se istadlal karkey kartye hain, lakin sar ke masah ke har giz khilaf nahin(aik or baat ke hum per to ilzam hai ke hum sar per topi, pagri, kisi qisim ka kapra jan boojh kar nahin rakhtye hain, phir pagri ke masah ka zikr yahan kesye?)

Hawala (Bukhari, Al Wazo, Bab Almasah fil Khafeen 205), (Muslim AL-Taharah, Bab AlMasah Alan Nasiba wal Imama)

 

Ab aatye hain aap ke Sar ke masah ke liye ki janye wali harat, Aap mantye hain ke Hazoor-e-Akram ne Sar ka masah kia or us main hathon ko gardan ki pusht tak le gaye,

ti janab is se ya kahan sabit hota hai ke Hazoor-e-Akram ne Gardan ke Masah ki alag se harkat ka hukm diya......? ab aap khud apny maslak ke logon ka amal dekh lain Masah ke silsiye main ke "Sar ke masah ke baad (jo ke kabhi kabhi 2 or zayed martab hota hai) alag se pani ko hathon per gira kar, hath ki pusht gardan ka peechye or atraf main phertye hain, Jab ke Sar ke masah main jo gardan ki pusht ka zirk hai us main Hath ki hatheeliyan gardan ki pusht tak jati hain or phir wapis aati hain.... to alag se amal jis ko aap ne Deen(Wazoo) ka hissa bana liya is ko bidaat nahin kahengye to phir kia kahyengye?????

ab ya to phir aap is amal ka wazahat karain.

 

Jawab #. 7

Phir aap ne wahi baat ki, or apnye Aalimon ki tarha usi baat per arye hoye hain ke humarye Hanafi ualama ka kehna sirf hum manyegye...... aik taraf to kehtye hain ke Tamam Maslak Haq per hain lakin jab doosrye maslak ke log kisi hadith ke barye main kehtye hain ke Ahnaf ka istadlal ghalat hai to us waqt aap ke nazdeek woh ghalat ho jata hai........ kisi iak baat per ruk jayen......

 

Abdul Salam

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REGARDING NEYAH

 

janab hadees HAI KAY amal ka daromadaar niyatoon par hai. (Muslim,Al imarah,baab Qol a hu Sallahu alihewasallam Innamul amalu bil niyah 1908)

 

janab ALLAH kay nabi nay jesey kiya wesey hee hum karien gay. kisi bhi aik hadees mai yeh nahi aaya kay niyat zubaan say karni chahiye.

 

agar aisee baat hai to aap Wudu kartey huye kion nahi kehtey kay mei wudu karney laga hun is time bathroom mai hun aagwey merey sink hai wastey sawab kay BISMILLAH.

 

bohet say aisey kam hain jinheen kartey huye hum sirf dil mai niyat kartey hain zuban say nahi.

 

kya wajha hai kay sirf namaz parhtey huye zuban say niyat karna afzal hai?

 

namaz ki niyat to us waqt hee ho jati hai jub azan sun kar insaan masjid ki taraf jata hai.

 

ALLAH kay nabi hamesha namaz Takbeer e tehreema say shuroo karte rahey. na kay zuban say niyat kar kay.

 

yeh lughat kay bhi khilaaf hai. is ka mani IRADAH kay hotey hain. aur iradah dil say kiya jata hai zuban say nahi.

 

Hazrat Nafie say siwayat hai keh aik aadmi nay Abdullah bin Omer raziallahanho kay pass cheenk maari aur kaha ALHUM DULILLAH WAS SALAMU ALA RASOOLALLAH

 

IBN E OMER raziallahanho nay farmaya. Alhumdulillah Wasalamu ala RASOOL ALLAH magar Rasool ALLAH Sallahualihewasallam nay humien yeh tareeqa nahi sikhaya. aap nay to humien yeh sikhaya hai keh har haal mai Alhumdulillah kaheen

(tirmizi kitab ul adab baab ma yaqool al aats iza ats 2738)

 

aur yahaan hum kehtey hain keh NAMAZ shuru kartey waqt ALLAH kay nabi nay humien ALLAH U AKBAR kehna sikhaya hai na keh zuban say niyat karna.

 

agar aap kehtey ho nahi nahi. is ko karna afzak hai to janab hum kaheen gay Naudhubillah Allah kay nabi deen adhura chor gaye the. jo is ki zroorat par gai.

Edited 12 اپریل 2009 by Ya Mohammadah
Poori post quote karny ki hajat nahin.

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regarding masah

 

bhai jaan gardan sar ka hissa khan say aa gai?? saeedi sahib ki yeh nai mantaq hai.

 

Quran mai sar ka zikar hai gardan ka nahi.

 

hadees hai

 

aap Sallahu alihewasallam nay sar ka masah kiya. dono hath sar kay aglay hissa say shuroo kar kay. guddi tuk peechey lay gaye. phir peechey say aagey tuk waheen lay aaye jhaan say shuroo kiya tha.

(bukhari, al wudhu, baab mashul raas kullihe 185)

 

bhai jaan zara aqal say kaam lien. Allah kay nabi nay jesa kiya hai wesa karien. aap loge pehley sar ka masah kartey ho phir kanoo ka kartey ho phir end par alehdah say gardan ka masah kartey ho.

 

aap Bagree ki taraf na bhagien Pagree ki baat aaye gee to wahaan bhi baat ho jaye gee.

aur aap nay jo daleel see hai us mai bhi aap ka maslak sabit nahi hota hai.

 

woh to wohi hai jo hum kartey hain. sar ka masah peechey tuk lay jatey they.

 

jub keh aap ka masla yeh hai hee nahi. aap loge ultey hath kar kay masah kartey ho. nabi nay kabhi aisey nahi kiya hai.

 

3. SEENEY PAR HATH

 

saeedi sahib nay pehla aiteraaz yeh kiya hai keh kya rasool Sallahu alihewasallam nay mard o orat ko seeney par hath bandhney ka hukam kaheen diya??

 

to janab jawaban arza hai keh ALLAH kay nabi nay farmaya hai

Malik bin huweras Raziallahanho nay byan kiya,, kaha hum nabi Sallahu alihewasallam ki khidmat mai hazir huye, hum sab hum omer aur no jawan hee the, aap ki khidmat mubarik mai hamara 20 din o raat tuk qayam kiya, aap barrey he rahem dil aur milan saar the, jub aap nay dekha keh humien watan wapis janey ka shoq hai, to aap nay poocha tum loge apney ghar kisey chor kar aaye ho, hum nay bataya. phir aap nay farmaya acha ab tum ghar jao aur in ghar waloon kay sath raho, aur inheen bhi deen sikhao, aur deen ki batoon par amal karney ka hukam karo, ..........

aur aap sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya is hee tarhaan namaz parhna jis tarhaan mujhai parhtey huye dekha hai.

(bukhari kitab ul azaan, hadees 631)

 

janab yahaan gorr say parheen ALLAH kay nabi aam hukam day rahey hain. yeh nahi kaha mardoon kay liye namaz alehdah hai aur ortoon kay liye alehda,

 

yeh aap loge hee hain jo hadees mai keerey nikaltey ho. agar nahi mantey to kaho kay nabi Naudhubillah ortoon ka hukam batana bhool gaye the.

 

zer e naaf laney wali jo aap nay kaha hai Hazrat Ali raziallahanho,Abu huzaifa,Abu huraira,Hazrat anas aur wail bin hujar raziallahanhum janab paish karien gay to hum aap ko jawab die gay INSHALLAH. phir us ki hasiyat bhi aap ko bataien gay.

 

aap nay yahaa aik ajeeb baat ki hai Hazrat wali bin hujar raziallah anho ko apni biwi ko seeney par hath rakhney ka hukam daina. aur sath maan bhi liya hai kay zaeef hai. JANAB zaeef hujjat nahi hua karti.

 

aur aik jhoot bol diya hai aap nay MUsannif ibn e abi shaiba par kay alqima ko hukam hua tha wail bin hujar raziallahanho say.

 

yeh riwayat ibn e abi shaiba mai mojood hee nahi hai. isay sab say pehley Qasim bin Qatlo bagha (KAZZAAB) NAY MUSANNIF SAY MANsOOB KIYA HAI(jis ka shahid aap nay bhi diya hai). NAIMOVI HANFI nay qalabaaziaan khatey huye bhi is qatlu bagha wali riwayat ko GHAIR MAHFOOZ yani Zaeef qaraar diya hai(hashia asaar ul sunan H 330) GHALIBAN AAP NAY BHI YEH HEE REFRENCE diya hai.

 

is kay baraqas Wail bin hujar raziallahanho say hee sahih sanad say marvi hai mai nay Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam ko namaz parhtey huye dekha. phir aap nay daiaan hath baien hathili, kalaai aur (sa`ad) bazu par rakha.

(sahih ibn e khuzaima 1/243 h 714, 480)

aur jub aap apna daiaan hath hatheli kalaai aur bazu par rahien gay to khud ba khud hee hath naaf say ooper aaien gay.

 

aur dosree hadees(halab taai raziallahanho) wali mai seenay ka zikar bhi hai.

 

to janab aap ko mey pehley hee asool e karkhi say refrence day chuka hun keh aap loge sahih hadees chorr kar Zaeef o modhu hadees letey ho.

 

maqsad yeh hee hai keh imam ka qol sabit ho jaye.

 

 

Halab tai raziallah anho say riwayat hai

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regarding tawaruk

 

sawal kuch hai jawab kuch day rahey ho.

 

Guzarish hai kay poora hawal diya karien sirf bukhari, wagera keh daina kafi nahi hai.

 

ibn e omer raziallahanho wali hadees say ooper wali hadees dekh laini thi jis mai Umme darda raziallah anho ka zikar hai.

 

BAab hai tashahud mai bethney ka masnoon tareeqa

 

Hazarat Umme darda Raziallahanho FAQEEH thien aur woh bawaqat namaz tashahud. mardoon ki tarhaan bethiti thien.

(bukhari kitab ul azaan)

 

is hee baab mai abdullah bin omer raziallahanho say agli wali riwayat mai abu hameed sadi raziallah anho ki hadees hai zara woh bhi parh letey to kitna hee acha hota.

 

us mai hai jub aap 2nd rakat mai bethtey to left foot par bethtey aur daiaan paoon khara rakhtey. aur jub aakhri rakat mai bethtey to left foot ko thora aagey kar letey aur daiaan paoon khara kar letey. phir miqad par bethtey

(kitab ul azaan)

 

janab Huzoor ki biwi hamari maa ummul momineen faqeeh thien. aur woh mardoon ki tarhaan bethti thien kya khaal hai aap ka. nabi nai mana kion na kiya??

 

aur aap nay khud kamzore riwayat paish ki hai aur kaha hai kamzore riwayat kay sath aik aur kamzore riwayat milaaien.

 

janab

 

zaeef+zaeef+zaeef+zaeef=zaeef hee hoti hai.

 

is kay baraqas ummul momineen Raziallahanho wali riwayat sahih bukhari ki hai aur woh faqeeh bhi thien.

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Masala 5

 

aap sey dobarah guzarish hai keh poora refrence diya karien takeh asani ho.

 

aap nay yahaan hum par aik jhoot bol diya hai. keh hamarey yahaan aik masla likha hai. janab hum par QURAN, HADEES AUR IJMA SIHABA hujjat hai. kisi ki kitab nahi

 

wesey aap nay us kitab ka poora hawala nahi diya hai aur yeh bhi nahi bataya hai key kis ki tasneef hai.

 

janab zara abu dawood ki hadees parh laini thi.

 

aik ansari sihabi raat ko namaz parh rahey the. kisi dushman nay in par teer chalaye jin ki wajha say woh sakht zakhmi ho gaye. aur in kay jisam say khoon behney laga magar is ka bawajood woh namaz parhtey rahey

(abu dawood, kitab ul taharah baab al wudhu mil al dum 198) isay hakim nay bukhari aur muslim ki shart par sahih kaha hai 1/156 aur zahbi nay bhi is ko sahih kaha hai.

 

is hee tarhaan

 

Omer raziallahanho zakhmi kiye gaye aur aap is hee halat mai namaz parhtey rahey. halankeh aap kay jism say khoon jari tha.

(motta imam malik, al taharah baab al amal fee mun ghalbahul dum min jarah au ra`af 1/39)

 

is say maloom hua khoon ka behna nawaqis e wudhu nahi hai.

 

aur jo sahih hadees hai nijasat ko saaf karney wali us mai yeh hai keh

 

ALLAH kay nabi nay 3 patharoon say kum istanja karney say mana farmaya hai.

 

yani kum say kum 3 pathar honay chahiyeen.

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6th masla

 

mujhai yeh pata nahi hai keh sawal kya hai. lekin jawab dekhney say pata lagta hai keh shayed sawal yeh tha kay taqleed 4 imamoon kay ilawah kisi aur ki kion nahi ho sakti.

 

agar yeh hee sawal hai to janab aap nay yahaan aik aur jhoot bola hai keh ahl e sunnat ka ijma hai kay taqleed 4 imam hee aisey hain jis kay masail aisey hain.

 

jami ul lughat urdu mai hai

taqleed:pairwi karna,qadam ba qadam chalna bagair tehqeeq kay kisi ki pairwi karna.(page 166 matbua dar ul asa`a`t karachi)

 

hanafioon ki kitab muslim al saboot mai likha hai

(ghair kay qol par bagair hujjat kay amal (ka naam) hai. jaisey aami(jahil) apney jesey aami ya mujtahid doosrey mujtahid ka qol lay lay. pus nabi alehslam aur ijma ki taraf ruju karna is(taqleed) mai say nahi. aur is hee tarhaan aami ka mufti ki taraf ruju karna aur qazi ka gawahoon ki taraf ruju karna(taqleed) mai say nahi hai kion kay isay nus nay wajib kiya hai lekin urf yeh hai aami mujtaahid ka muqallid hai..(muslim al saboot page 289 taba 1316h)

 

khateeb baghdadi kehtey hain kay bagair daleel kay qol ko qabool karney ko taqleed kehtey hain(al faqeeh wal muttafiqah jild 2 page 66)

 

abul hasan karkhi hanafi kehta hai(asal yeh hai kay har ayat jo hamarey sathioon kay khilaaf hai usay mansookhiyat par mahmool ya marjooh samjha jaye ga. behter yeh hee hai keh tatbeeq kartey huye is ki taveel kar li jaye)asool e karkhi

 

is ayat say bohet say ullema nay taqleed kay batil honay ka istadlaal kiya hai jesey

abu hamid muhammad bin muhammad al ghazali (al mustasfa mun ilmulasool 2/389)

 

Allah farmata hai (unhoon nay apney ahbaar aur rahbaan ko Allah kay siwa rabb bana liya(toba:31)

 

is ayat par bhi bohet ullema nay taqleed kay radd par istedlaal kiya hai

ibn e abdul barr(jame byan ul ilam wa fazla jild 2 page 109)

 

syuti (al radd ala mun akhlada ilal ardh)

 

aur jub in say kaha jata hai kay Allah tala nay jo ahkam nazil farmaye hain in ki taraf aur rasool ki taraf ruju karo to woh kehtey hain hum ko woh hee kafi hai jis par hum nay apnay baap dadaoon ko paya(maaida 104)

 

qasam hai terey parwardigaar ki yeh loge kabhi momin nahi ho saktey jub tuk tamam aapas kay ikhtilaaf mai aap ko haakim na maan lien...(nisa:65)

 

mai nai aaj kay din tumharey liye deen ko mukammal kar diya hai aur apni nemat ko tum par poora kar diya hai. aur tumharey liye deen e islam par razi ho gya hun (maida:3)

 

jana deen mukammal ho chuka hai bataiye agar nahi hua tha to taqleed khaan thi??? sihaba nabi ki pairwi kartey the. imam abu hanifa ki nahi bataien woh konsi aise baat thi jo nabi bata kar nahi gaye aur imam abu hanifa rahimullah nay poori ki???

 

Hazrat salman farsi raziallahanho say chand mushrikoon nay kaha

kya tumharey nabi nay tumheen sab kuch sikha diya hai hatta kay taharut bhi to unhoon nay farmaya jee haan(sahih muslim jild1)

 

janab aik hadees la dien jis mai nabi nay kaha ho kay in 4 mai sai 1 imam ki taqleed wajib hai.

 

huzoor sallahu alihe wasallam nay Quran ki ayat inna lazeena farraqu dinu hum wa kanu shee an

tilawat ki aur farmaya

jinhooon nay deen mai tafarraqa dala yeh eez groh the yeh woh groh hain jo khwahish parast bidati aur gumrahi walay hain. ae aisha (raziallahanha) har gunah ki toba hai magar khwahish parastoon aur ahl e bidat ki toba qabool nahi mai in say baree hun aur yeh mujh say baree hain.(al aiesaam jild 1 page 60)

 

shah wali ullah muhaddis likhtey hain

ummat kay pehley loge 4th sadi say pehley kisi aik mazhab kay paband nahi the(hujjat ullah balagha jild 1 page 445)

 

yani yeh biddat hai 400 saal baad shuro hui.

 

hazrat abdullah bin masood raziallahanho nay farmaya tum mai say koi aadmi apnay deen kay barey mei kisi aadmi ki taqleed na karey keh jub wo kisi baat par eemaan lata hai to woh bhi lata hai jub kisi baat say inkaar karta hai to woh bhi karta hai(aelaam ul moqaen jild 2)

 

Abdullah bin abbas raziallah anho farmatey hain qareeb hai tum logoon par aasmaan say pathar barseen mai tum say kehta huun Rasool Allah sallahu alihe wasallam nay farmaya tum mujhai kehtey ho abu bakar raziallahanho aur omar raziallah anho nay yeh farmaya(zad ul maad jild 2 page 195)

 

janab imam abu hanifa abu bakar raziallahanho say barrey hain kya jin ki taqleed lazmi hai??

 

hazrat abdullah bin omar raziallahanho farmatey hain tu mujhai bata agar is kam say merey waalid(omar raziallahanho) nay mana kiya ho aur Allah kay rasool Sallahu alihe wasallam nay is ko kiya ho bata kis ki itteba karni chahiye??.merey walid ki ya rasool Allah sallahu alihewasallam ki??to us nay kaha beshak rasool Allah sallahu alihewasallam ki itteba ki jaye gee. farmaya to phir sun lay rasool Allah sallahu alihewasallam nay is kaam ko kiya hai.(tirmizi baab maja fe al tumta)

janab kya kaheen gay abu hanifa rahimullah sihabi e rasool say barrey hain??

 

 

 

Imaam Maalik (May Allah have Mercy on him) said: “There is no one after the Prophet except that you can take his saying or leave it.” [Related by Ibn Abdul-Haadee in Irshaaus-Saalik (227/1)]

 

Imaam Abu Haneefah (d.150H) - rahimahullah - said: “If a Hadeeth is found to be authentic, then that is my madhab.” Related by Ibn Aabideen in al-Haashiyah (1/63)and also in Rasmul-Muftee (1/4)

 

Imaam Maalik (d.179H) - rahimahullah - said: “Indeed I am only a man. I am sometimes mistaken and at other times correct; so look into my opinion. All that agrees with the Book and the Sunnah, accept it, and all that does not agree with the Book and the Sunnah, then abandon it.” Related by Ibn Abdul-Barr in al-Jaami (2/32) and Ibn Hazm in Usoolul-Ahkaam (6/149)

 

Imaam ash-Shafiee - rahimahullah - (d.204H) said: “Everything that I say, for which there is something authentically related from the Prophet contrary to my saying, the Hadeeth of the Prophet comes first. So do not make Taqleed (blind-following) of me.” Related by Ibn Abee Haatim in al-Aadaab (p.93) and Ibn Asaakir in Tareekh Dimashq (15/9/2)

 

Imaam Ahmed - rahimahullah - (d,241H) said: “Do not make Taqleed (blind-following) of me, nor make Taqleed of Maalik, nor of ash-Shafiee, nor of al-Awzaa’ee, nor of ath-Thawree. But take from where they took.” Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in I’laamul-Muwqi’een (2/302)

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7 masla rafa yadain

 

yahaan aap nay aik riwayat muslim kay hawalay say quote ki hai

 

aur yahaan taqleed ki wajha say meaning galat kar diya hai. pehley mai yeh sabit karoon ga keh rafayadain mansookh nahi hua. phir aap kay meaning par bhi aaien gay. Aur imam bukhari say radd karien gay INSHALLAH.

 

Abdullah bin Omer raziallah anho farmatey hain mai nay nabi e rehmat sallaho alihewasallam ko namaz parhtey huye dekha. Aap nay namaz ki pehli takbeer kahi aur apnay dono hath kandhoon tuk uthaye. ruku ki takbeer kay waqt bhi aisa hee kiya. aur jub [sami allah huliman hamidah] kaha to bhi aisa hee kiaya(yani rafa yadain kia) aur phir farmaya (rabbana wa lakal hamd) aur sajda mai jatey aur sajda say sarr uthatey waqat aisa na kartey.

Bukhari kitab ul azan baab ilaa een yarfa yadiehe 783

 

malik bin huweris wo sihabi hain jin ko nabi nay farmaya tha (Mafhoom) namaz us hee tarhaan parho jis tarhaan mujhai parhtey huye dekh liya hai.

 

phir maalik bin huweris apney ilaqey mai jaa kar iss hee taraan namaz sikhatey hain jesey nabi ko dekha tha

 

tabiee ABU QILABA rahimullah nay maalik bin huweris ko namaz parhtey huye dekha

Maalik bin huveris razi allah anho farmatey hain

be shak jub nabi sallahu alihe wasallam takbeer kehtey to hathoon ko kanoo tuk buland farmatey jub ruku kartey to hathoon ko kanoo tuk buland kartey aur jub ruku say sarr uthatey phir bhi aisa hee kartey

Muslim kitab ul salaat baad istehbaab rafa yadain hazul munkabeen 391

 

tabi wo hota hai jis nay nabi ko na dekha ho eman ki halat mai to zahir hai abu qilaba nay maalik bin huweris raziallah anho ko nabi kay inteqaal kay baad hee dekha tha.

yani rafa yadain mansookh nahi hua.

 

rafa yadain shuroo mai ruku kay baad aur ruku ksay uth kar mutwaatir ahadees say saabit hai

 

Hazrat Abdullah bin zubair raziallah anho farmatey hain mai nai abu bakar raziallah anho kay peechey namaz parhi

wo namaz kay shurro mai ruku say pehley aur ruku kay baad uth kar apney dono hath (kandhoon tuk) uthatey the. aur farmatey the rasool Allah bhi namaz kay shuroo mai ruku say pehley aur baad mai rafayadain kartey the.

Behqee 2/73 wa qaal rawaatun siqaat, qillat wa sanadan sahih

 

Hazrat Omaer raziallahanho nay aik baar namaz ka tareeqa bataney ka logoo ko irada kiya to qibla rukh ho kar kharrey ho gaye aur dono hathoon ko kandhoon tuk uthaya phir Allahu akbar kaha aur ruku kiya issi taraan hathoon ko buland kiya aur ruku kay baad bhi rafa yadain kiya.

Behqi, fil ikhlaqiaat Wa rijaal Isnaadan maroofun, (Nasab ur raaya:415,416

 

Ali Raziallah anho farmatey hain nabi sallahu alihe wasallam farmaey hain Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam namaz kay shuroo mai ruku mai janay say pehley aur ruku kay baad aur do rakaat parh kar khara hotey waqt rafa yadain kartey the

Abu Dawood al salaat baab ba`ad baab iftitaah ul salaat hadees 744

 

Hazrat Waail bin Hujar razi allah anho farmatey hain mai nai nabi sallaho alihe wasallam ko dekha

jub aap namaz shuroo kartey to ALLAHU AKBAR kehtey aur apney dono hath uthatey phir apnay hath kaprey mai dhank letey phir dayaan hath baiyeen par rakhtey jub ruku karney lagtey to apney hath kaproon sai bahir nikaltey ALLAHU AKBAR KEHTEY aur rafayadain kartey aur jub ruku say sar uthaye to (Sami ALLAH HULIMAN HAMIDAH) kehtey aur rafayadain kartey

Muslim, al salaat hadees 401

 

Hazrat waail bun hujar 9 aur 10 hijri ko nabi Sallahu alihe wasallam kay pass aaye lihaza saabit hua kay nabi 10 hijri tuk rafayadain kartey rahey 11 hijri ko wafaat paai saabit hua aakhri waqat tuk rafayadain nahi chora

 

Hazrat abu hameed saadi raziallah anho nay sihaba kiram kay aik majma mai byaan kiya keh jub rasool allah sallahu alihe wasallam jub namaz shuroo kartey aur jub ruku mai jatey aur ruku say sar uthatey aur jub 2 rakaat parh kar kharey hotey to rafa yadain kartey the. tamam sihaba nay kaha tum such kehtey ho RASOOL ALLAH SALLAHU ALIHE WASALLAM is hee tarhaan namaaz parhtey the

Abu dawood, al salaat baab iftitaah ul salaat hadees 730

 

imam and muhaddis IBN E KHUZAIMA is ko riwayat karney kay baad farmatey hain keh mai nai MUHAMMAD bin yahya ko kehtey suna jo shaks abu hameed raziallah anho ki hadees sunnaney kay bawajood ruku mai janay aur baad mai rafayadain nahi karta us ki namaz naaqis ho gee.

Ibn e khuzaima 1/298 hadees 588

 

Hazrat jaabir raziallah anho jub namaz shuroo kartey ruku mai jatey aur ruku say sar utha kar rafayadain kartey the aur farmatey Rasool Allah sallahu alihe wasallam bhi is hee tarhaan kartey the.

Ibne maja, Iqamat ul salaat baab rafa yadain iza raka`a hadees 868 ibne hajar said is kay ravi SIQAH hain.

 

Abu hurraira Razi allah anho farmatey hain Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam shuroo namaz mai ruku say pehley aur ruku kay baad apney dono hath (kandhoon tuk) uthaya kartey the

abu dawood as salaat baab iftitaah ul salaat hadees 738(ibn e khuzaima said its sahih)

 

Hazrat abu musa ashari raziallah anho nay aik din (logoon say) farmaya:

kya mai tumheen rasool allah sallahu alihe wasallam ki namaz ka tareeqa na bataoon yeh kah ker unhoon nay namaz parhi jub taqbeer e tehrima kahi to rafayadain kiya jub ruku kiya to rafa yadain kiya phir sami allah huliman hamidah keh kar rafa yadain kiya phir farmaya iss hee tarhaan kiya karo

DAR QUTNI 1/296 HAFIZ IBN E HAJAR SAID IS KAY RAVI SIQAA HAIN AL TALKHEES 1:219

 

 

 

 

<H3 class=smller>RAFA YADAIN na karney waloon key dalaail

 

sab say qavi daleel un ki sahi muslim ki riwayat hai

Jabir bin samra razi allah anho byan farmatey hain kay Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam nay farmaya (kya baat hai mai tumheen iss tarhaan hath uthatey huye dekhta hun jis tarhaan sarkash ghoroon ki dummieen hain namaz mai sakoon ikhtiyaar karo.

muslim,as salaat baab al amar bil sakoon fe salaat hadees 430

 

as we all know that ahadees of sahi muslim are sahi ALHAMDULILLAH so this hadees is also sahi.

 

its our belief kay aik hadees 2nd hadees ki tashreeh karti hai right so to understand this hadees right we have to see other ahadees because its not clear in this hadees kay namaz mai kis muqaam par haath uthaney say mana kiya tha.

 

sahi muslim mai hee yeh hee sihabi jaabir bin samara raziallah anho say riwayat hai farmatey hain Rasool Allah Sallahu alihe wasallam kay sath jub hum namaz parhtey to namaz kay khatma par daien baien ASSALAMU ALYKUM WA RAHMATULLAH kehtey huye hath say ishara bhi karte yeh dekh kar huzoor nay farmaya tum apney hath say is tarhaan ishara kartey ho jesey shareer ghoroon ki dummieen hilti hain tumheen yeh hee kafi hai kay qa`ada mai apni ranoo par hath rakhey huye daien aur baien munh morr kar ASSALAMU ALYKUM WA RAHMATULLAH kaho

muslim as salaat baab al amar bil sakoon fe salaat hadees 431

 

is say agli hadees yani hadees number 432 mai bhi sarahat hai kay yeh baat unhoon nay salam kay waqat hath uthaney ki waja say kahi thi

 

imam nawawee rahimullah farmatey hain kay iss hadees say ruku mai jatey aur uthtey waqt rafayadain na karney ki daleel laina ajeeb baat aur sunnat say jahalat ki qabeeh qisam hai. kion kay yeh hadees ruku ko jatey aur uthtey waqt rafayadain kay barey mai nahi balkeh tashahud mai salam kay waqt dono janib hathoon say isharah karney kay barey mai hai. muhaddiseen

 

aur jin ko muhaddiseen say thora sa bhi talluk hai in kay darmiyaan is mai koi ikhtilaaf nahi hai. is kay baad imam nawwawee imam bukhari ka qol naqal kartey hain kay is hadees say ba`az jaahil logoon ka daleel laina sahi nahi kion kay yeh salam kay waqt hath uthaney kay barey mai hai. aur jo aalim hai wo is tarhaan ki daleel nahi pakarta.

kion kay yeh maroof o mashoor baat hai is mai kisi ka ikhtilaaf nahi aur agar yeh baat sahi hoti to ibtada e namaz aur namaz eid ki rafayadain bhi mana ho jatien. kion kay is mai kisi khas rafayadain ko mana nahi kiya gya. phir imam bukhari farmatey hain un logoon ko is baat say darna chahiye kay wo nabi e rehmat Sallahu alihe wasallam par wo baat keh rahey hain jo unhoon nay nahi kahi. kion kay ALLAH FARMATA hai

 

Pus in logoon ko jo nabi akram (Sallahu alihewasallam) ki mukhalifat kartey hain is baat say darna chahiye kay inheen (duniya mai) koi fitna aur (aakhirat mai) koi dard naak azaab pohonchay. (Al noor:63) </H3>

[Qazi]

regarding masah

 

bhai jaan gardan sar ka hissa khan say aa gai?? saeedi sahib ki yeh nai mantaq hai.

 

Quran mai sar ka zikar hai gardan ka nahi.

 

hadees hai

 

aap Sallahu alihewasallam nay sar ka masah kiya. dono hath sar kay aglay hissa say shuroo kar kay. guddi tuk peechey lay gaye. phir peechey say aagey tuk waheen lay aaye jhaan say shuroo kiya tha.

(bukhari, al wudhu, baab mashul raas kullihe 185)

 

bhai jaan zara aqal say kaam lien. Allah kay nabi nay jesa kiya hai wesa karien. aap loge pehley sar ka masah kartey ho phir kanoo ka kartey ho phir end par alehdah say gardan ka masah kartey ho.

 

aap Bagree ki taraf na bhagien Pagree ki baat aaye gee to wahaan bhi baat ho jaye gee.

aur aap nay jo daleel see hai us mai bhi aap ka maslak sabit nahi hota hai.

 

woh to wohi hai jo hum kartey hain. sar ka masah peechey tuk lay jatey they.

 

jub keh aap ka masla yeh hai hee nahi. aap loge ultey hath kar kay masah kartey ho. nabi nay kabhi aisey nahi kiya hai.

 

3. SEENEY PAR HATH

 

saeedi sahib nay pehla aiteraaz yeh kiya hai keh kya rasool Sallahu alihewasallam nay mard o orat ko seeney par hath bandhney ka hukam kaheen diya??

 

to janab jawaban arza hai keh ALLAH kay nabi nay farmaya hai

Malik bin huweras Raziallahanho nay byan kiya,, kaha hum nabi Sallahu alihewasallam ki khidmat mai hazir huye, hum sab hum omer aur no jawan hee the, aap ki khidmat mubarik mai hamara 20 din o raat tuk qayam kiya, aap barrey he rahem dil aur milan saar the, jub aap nay dekha keh humien watan wapis janey ka shoq hai, to aap nay poocha tum loge apney ghar kisey chor kar aaye ho, hum nay bataya. phir aap nay farmaya acha ab tum ghar jao aur in ghar waloon kay sath raho, aur inheen bhi deen sikhao, aur deen ki batoon par amal karney ka hukam karo, ..........

aur aap sallahu alihewasallam nay farmaya is hee tarhaan namaz parhna jis tarhaan mujhai parhtey huye dekha hai.

(bukhari kitab ul azaan, hadees 631)

 

janab yahaan gorr say parheen ALLAH kay nabi aam hukam day rahey hain. yeh nahi kaha mardoon kay liye namaz alehdah hai aur ortoon kay liye alehda,

 

yeh aap loge hee hain jo hadees mai keerey nikaltey ho. agar nahi mantey to kaho kay nabi Naudhubillah ortoon ka hukam batana bhool gaye the.

 

zer e naaf laney wali jo aap nay kaha hai Hazrat Ali raziallahanho,Abu huzaifa,Abu huraira,Hazrat anas aur wail bin hujar raziallahanhum janab paish karien gay to hum aap ko jawab die gay INSHALLAH. phir us ki hasiyat bhi aap ko bataien gay.

 

aap nay yahaa aik ajeeb baat ki hai Hazrat wali bin hujar raziallah anho ko apni biwi ko seeney par hath rakhney ka hukam daina. aur sath maan bhi liya hai kay zaeef hai. JANAB zaeef hujjat nahi hua karti.

 

aur aik jhoot bol diya hai aap nay MUsannif ibn e abi shaiba par kay alqima ko hukam hua tha wail bin hujar raziallahanho say.

 

yeh riwayat ibn e abi shaiba mai mojood hee nahi hai. isay sab say pehley Qasim bin Qatlo bagha (KAZZAAB) NAY MUSANNIF SAY MANsOOB KIYA HAI(jis ka shahid aap nay bhi diya hai). NAIMOVI HANFI nay qalabaaziaan khatey huye bhi is qatlu bagha wali riwayat ko GHAIR MAHFOOZ yani Zaeef qaraar diya hai(hashia asaar ul sunan H 330) GHALIBAN AAP NAY BHI YEH HEE REFRENCE diya hai.

 

is kay baraqas Wail bin hujar raziallahanho say hee sahih sanad say marvi hai mai nay Rasool Sallahu alihewasallam ko namaz parhtey huye dekha. phir aap nay daiaan hath baien hathili, kalaai aur (sa`ad) bazu par rakha.

(sahih ibn e khuzaima 1/243 h 714, 480)

aur jub aap apna daiaan hath hatheli kalaai aur bazu par rahien gay to khud ba khud hee hath naaf say ooper aaien gay.

 

aur dosree hadees(halab taai raziallahanho) wali mai seenay ka zikar bhi hai.

 

to janab aap ko mey pehley hee asool e karkhi say refrence day chuka hun keh aap loge sahih hadees chorr kar Zaeef o modhu hadees letey ho.

 

maqsad yeh hee hai keh imam ka qol sabit ho jaye.

 

 

Halab tai raziallah anho say riwayat hai

 

Assalam alykum,

Asim bhai aap ney koi kasar nahi chodi alhamdulliha, shayad ab inki aankh khuley agar inki kismat me hidayat hai, ye log gulami pasand kartey hai aik ummati dusrey ummati ki gulami kar raha hai, jabki khud Imam abu hanifa ramaullaha ne aapne kaoul par amal karney se tab tak mana kiya jab tak ki asal hadith na mil jaye magar afsoos : Allaha farmata hai takleed key radd me sura anaam ayat 153 (6:153) :

 

"Kah do ki ye hai mera rasta bilkul seedha to tum sirf ise par chalo aaur dusrey rasto par mat chalo we tumhe sahi rastey se behka denge."

 

Magar dekh ye bahak hi gaye.

 

 

Ab kya kahtey ho Saeedi Bhai, Badey josh se zaeef haditho ke sahare soch rahe they ki jawab de diya itna asaan nahi hai bhai allaha ki faouz se takrana, abhi bhi waqt hai choor choor honey se bacho.

[Qadri Sultani]

Janab Rafa Ya Dain ka topic is thread main daikhain......

Aap k sab abhaam theek ho jain gay.....

Aur aap apnay aap ko AhleSunnat na kahain

Salafi Ahlesunnat nahin.....

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...=3452&st=20

[Saeedi]

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Masla no: 1

 

brelvioon nay aik baar phir merey mutalba karney par bhi Refrence poora nahi diya hai aur sirf. Kitab ka naam likh diya hai.

 

 

guzarish hai keh poora refrence diya karien.

 

 

Aur saeedi sahib phir koi daleel nahi day sakey bol kar Neyat karney ki aur ilta Abdullah bin Omer raziallahanho par keecher uchalna shuroo kar diya keh who bhi to talbeeh mai izafa kartey the aur wahaan sirf tirmizi ka naam likh diya hai poora refrence nahi diya.

 

 

Janab araz hai keh Sihaba par keechar na uchalien pehley aap hadees ka poora matan quote karien aur refrence bhi poora dien.

 

 

Aur us kay baad jub daleel koi bun na saki to Ahl e sunnat par ilzam thok diya keh Siraat e Mustaqeem mai hai keh nabi ka khyaal aaye to Namaz toot jati hai.

 

Janab siraat e mustaqeem par bhag gaye ho ab. Bhago jitna bhag saktey ho.

 

 

Yahaan bhi aap nay khiyanat kar dee hai. Sirat e Mustaqeem ka muqaddama parh liya hota us mai likha hai keh is ka 1st Chapter SHAH ISMAIL DEHALVI KA HAI AUR 2^ND CHAPTER Abdul Hai Lakhnawi Hanafi ka hai aur Sayed Ahmad Brelvi Hanafai kay chapter hain.

 

 

Aur yeh jo alfaaz saeedi sahab nay quote kiye hain woh 2nd chapter mai hain. 1st chapter mai hain hee nahi.

 

 

To saeedi sahab dhoka na dien awam ko jo baat poochi gai hai us ka jawab dien.

 

 

Agar aisee baat hai to janab aap ki kitab al ashbab al nazaye mai hai

 

 

Agar koi namazi Quran ko dekhey aur parhey us ki namaz fasid ho jaye gee. Aur shahwat kay sath agar kisi orat ki farj(vagina) dekhey to us ki namaz baatil nahi ho gee.

 

 

Naudhubillah agar mera maqsad logo ko aap ki hut dharmi batana maqsood na hota to mai kabhi aisee baat na karta.

 

 

Aur phir ulta hum say hee mutalba shuroo kar diya ke ye daleel do wo daleel do. Counter question na karien agar aap kay pass bol kar neyat karney ki daleel nahi hai to bhai sahib seedha keh dien keh hamarey pass bol kar neyat karney ki koi daleel nahi hai.

 

 

Ab hadees koi nahi to ghuniya tul talibeen ka refrence day diya.

 

 

Janab ghuniya mai to aur bhi bohet kuch likha hai us mai rafa yadain ruku jatey aur uthtey waqat karney ka zikar bhi hai.

 

 

Ahnaaf ka ahl e sunnat na honay ka bhi zikar hai.

 

 

Ahl e hadees hee ahl e sunnat hain us ka bhi zikar hai.

 

Aur yeh bhi keh bidati ki nishani hai hai keh ahl e sunnat sau bughaz rakhtey hain. Jesey aap ko hum say hai.

 

 

Lihaza ghuniya par bhago gay to aur bhi bohet kuch mannana parrey ga.