Bhai Jaan مراسلہ: 30 جنوری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 30 جنوری 2009 tabligi jamat say bachooo اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Barelvi مراسلہ: 18 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 18 فروری 2009 Munnah je! Agar Aap Thori Dair K lea Bughaz Aur Ta'assub ki Aenak utar daain to Shayed Aap ko Hidayat ki koi Kiran b nazar Aa Jae! Jo Darood "Assalat o Wssalam" wali hadees Ap ne dikha k Us ko Jaiz sabit krne ki koshish ki hai........to us pe to mai itna hi kaho ga k Aap me zra Aql ki kami Waqe hoi hai.......Zra sa soch laite to itni bri bongi na marte.......! PEhli Baat k Woh DAROOD E PAK parha ja sakta hai....Agr Aap ka Aqeeda saheh ho! Matlab k agr aap "Assalat o Wssalam" wala darood is neyat se parho k Hazoor Pak (S.A.W) mOJOOD hain aur direct mera darood sun rahe hain.......to phir to yeh Aqeeda b ghalat aur is Neyat se Darood parhna b ghalat........Kyo K is Neyyat se Aap Hazoor Pak(S.A.W) KO Hazir nazir Maan rahe ho............Aur Hazir Nazir ZAAT Sirf Aik Allah Ki hai.......Aur Fazael e Darood Shareef me to Wazeh likha howa hai......(Shayed Aap ne Ghor nahi kia) K "Asssalat" wala Darood Qabr e Athar pe Hazri k moqa pe likha hai.........Aur Us waqt to parhna Jaiz hai k Rasool Pak(S.A.W) Waha Apni Qabr e Athar Me mojod hote hain! Lehaza Mia smjhne se qasir hoo k aap ne woh page scan kr k kia dikhane ki koshish ki hai.........? Us me to koi Eateraz wali Baat hi nahi.........! Aap ne "Assalat" wala Darood Fazael e Darood Shareef Se Sabit krne ki Nakam Koshish ki hai.....Kyo k Woh Darood Qabr E Athar pe Hazri k Moqa pe Parhna Jaiz aur Afzal btaya gea hai...........NA K................Is Aqeeda se k AAP (S.A.W) Hazir Nazir hain......Lehaza MAI smjhta hoo k Aap ne Scan krne se qabl SHayed SaRA Mazmoon parhna Munasib nahi Smjha aur jhat se Scan attch kr dali...........Zra phir se ghor krna aur mujhe is ka jawab b snd krna! Dosri Baat jo Aap ne pais ki woh thi AAP (S.A.W) Ki aik Shakhs ki madad krne wali...To Munnah ji (Aik to is forum pe Muunah Log Bare Hia.....Na jane Kab Baray Hon Ge? ) Zra mujhe btana k Aap ki Tareekh e Brelviat me Aur kitne Moqa pe Isi tarah Aap logo ki Ghaibi Imdad hoi hai?...........Kab Kab hoi hai?............Aur Zra Saboot k sath Hawala jat k sath paish krna..........! Meharbani ho gi. Teesri Baat! Jo k Aap ki posting se hi Bughaz ki tarah tapkti hai.......woh yeh k Suadi Arab Aur Egypt me Tableeghi Jamat ki entry pe pabandi hai........SHayed Aap Is dunya me nahi rahtay........Aur agr rehtay b hain to Sari Dunya ko Jahalat ki AENAK lga k daikhte hai. Mere Munnah! Alhamdulilah Aap ki Ittalah k lea Arz hai k Tableeghi Jamat Saudia Arab me b baqaedigi se ja rahi hai aur Egypt me bhi........! Aur Hajj Aur Umrah Aur Ramazan me Khasosi toor pe Jamatain Waha pe jati hai. Same is the Case with Egypt! Meharbani farma k Ghlat bayani na farmae aur Dunya ko Ghalat Info na Btaya krain! Arg Aap ko pta hai to "Lanat Ullah Hi Alal Kazeebaan" Ki ZaD Me na ae aur agr nahi pta to jis Topic pe info na hoo us pe apni Khama Farsae na farmae to behter ho ga! Jaha tak Israel me Jamat k jane k ta'aluq hai.......to is me kia ghalat baat kia hai....? Aakhir waha pe b to Allah Aur Us k bar haq Deen ki TABLEEGH pohnchani farz hai na! Woh b to insaan hai.........Hazoor e Pak (S.A.W) ki ummat hai..Agarcha ghair Muslim hai......Aur Tableegh me Musalmano ki Islah aur Ghair Muslimo ki Hidayat ki hi to fikr ki jati hai.......Aur AAp shayed sun kr Jealous ho k Alhamdulilah Tablleghi Jmaat is waqt Taqreeban Dunya k Hr Mulk me Kam kr rahi hai.......Aur Log Joq dr Joq Tableegh se Mutassir ho kr Apni Dunya o Akhrat ko swarne ki koshish me lage howe hai........! Ab zra mujh ko itna btana Munnah je k Woh khair se Aap logo ne b Tableeghi Jammat se Mutassir ho k apni aik Nam Nehad si Jamat bnae hoi hai jis ko aap log "MADNI QAFILA" Kehte hoo...........Woh b kahee jati hai k Bus Multan me hi Josh e Muhabbat dikhate phirte hai? Mera to Khayal hai.......k .........Us "Madni Qafila" ki range Out of Pakistan to kaheen b nahi hogi? Hai na? Agr hai to plz mujh ko zra info daian! Aur yad aya k khair se "Madni Qafila" ne Sub Tarteeb " Tableeghgi Jamaat" hi ki naql kr k bnae hai........Warna Kha Tablleghi Jamaat jo k 1947 se b pehle ki Start hai..........Aur kaha "madni qafila" jo ab kahe ja k bana! To kia khayal hai munnah ji.........! Jawab ka Muntazir! Anti Barelvi! اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanafi Muslima مراسلہ: 18 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 18 فروری 2009 niceee sharing! Allah hamein wahbiyoon ki shar se bachae (Ameen Bejahin Nabiyyil Ameen ) اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutlaashi مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Bahiyoon aap nay aik dum ghalat kaha yeh TABLEEGHI JAMAT nahi hay balkay pori ki pori TAKLEEFI JAMAT HAY or jo cheez TAKLEEF day us say bach nay ka hukam hay Sajid Ali (Mutlaashi) اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Shahzad مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 (ترمیم شدہ) AntiBarelvi apnay pehlay daway ka saboot liay kay yaih aqeedah ghalat hay......umeed hai ap deobandi tehqeeq nahi paish karian gai...bilkay Ahnaf sai yeh fatwa dikhain gai. app khali daway he kar saktay hain ...kiya deobandio kay pass koi daleel nahi....Deobanism kiya app ki pasand aur sooch ka naam hay ...scan pgs post karain idhar......jab sai iss forum per aian hain bas apnai bongiya he maar rahai hain. "Ap ki Dosri Baat" App apnay akabir ke baat nahi mantay tu sunnion ki kahaan manaiya gai ......kiya app kay liay app ka akabir ka aiK hawala kafi nahi jo iss baat ka Saboot hay kay Nabi e Pak madad fermatian hain. Jawwab dain kay apnay iss molvi ko mantay hain ya Mushrik samjhatay hain......to the point jawab chiahay. "Ap ki Teesri Baat" Ap ko Urdu perhna nahi aa rahi ya app deobandio ke riwayati hatdarmi ka Izhaar ker rahi hain...ghoor sai perhay kay Saudi Mufti nai likha hay tablighi jamat par Pabandi ka na kay ham nai apni taraf sai baat ke hai.App nai agar Radd he kerna tha tu Saudi Mufti ka kertay ...par app kaisay karain gi...jab app kay akabir Gangohi ,Thanvi aur digar (mar kar mitti mai milnay tak) inn wahabi ghair muqalidon kay Maddah aur Hami rahay hain. Edited 19 فروری 2009 by fshahzad اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuNnI TiGeR مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 niceee sharing! Allah hamein wahbiyoon ki shar se bachae (Ameen Bejahin Nabiyyil Ameen ) Aameeeen Summa Aameeeeeeeeeeeen اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Teesri Baat! Jo k Aap ki posting se hi Bughaz ki tarah tapkti hai.......woh yeh k Suadi Arab Aur Egypt me Tableeghi Jamat ki entry pe pabandi hai........SHayed Aap Is dunya me nahi rahtay........Aur agr rehtay b hain to Sari Dunya ko Jahalat ki AENAK lga k daikhte hai. Mere Munnah! Alhamdulilah Aap ki Ittalah k lea Arz hai k Tableeghi Jamat Saudia Arab me b baqaedigi se ja rahi hai aur Egypt me bhi........! Aur Hajj Aur Umrah Aur Ramazan me Khasosi toor pe Jamatain Waha pe jati hai. Same is the Case with Egypt! Meharbani farma k Ghlat bayani na farmae aur Dunya ko Ghalat Info na Btaya krain! Arg Aap ko pta hai to "Lanat Ullah Hi Alal Kazeebaan" Ki ZaD Me na ae aur agr nahi pta to jis Topic pe info na hoo us pe apni Khama Farsae na farmae to behter ho ga! Aap ki jahalat se sach bolnay wala Lanatullahe al' al'kadhibeen mein tu count nahi kya jaye ga na. Munh'chuppa ke chooro ki tarah tu The-bug-league kahi bhi pohanch jaati hogi, yaha baat ho rahi hai ussi tarah functional jamat ki jaisay Indo-Pak mein hai. Filhaal ye parh lijiye; Jaha tak Israel me Jamat k jane k ta'aluq hai.......to is me kia ghalat baat kia hai....?Aakhir waha pe b to Allah Aur Us k bar haq Deen ki TABLEEGH pohnchani farz hai na! Woh b to insaan hai.........Hazoor e Pak (S.A.W) ki ummat hai..Agarcha ghair Muslim hai......Aur Tableegh me Musalmano ki Islah aur Ghair Muslimo ki Hidayat ki hi to fikr ki jati hai.......Aur AAp shayed sun kr Jealous ho k Alhamdulilah Tablleghi Jmaat is waqt Taqreeban Dunya k Hr Mulk me Kam kr rahi hai.......Aur Log Joq dr Joq Tableegh se Mutassir ho kr Apni Dunya o Akhrat ko swarne ki koshish me lage howe hai........! Kunway ke maindak wali baat kardi aap ne. Aap ko shayad maloom nahi magar Israel mein tamaam Islamic Organizations/Groups officially government ki taraf se hi ban hai. Aap Jamat ki baat kartay hain, Israel ne Cat Stevens (the British signer, a Muslim convert Yusuf Islam) per Peace Concert mein anay per bhi ban laga dya tha, jamati kaam tu phir durr ki baat hai! Sari dunya ki Islami jamaato banned hain Israel mein magar zahir hai ke apni aulaad se kis ko nafrat ho sakti hai iss liye sirf The-bug-league is doing their "work" there. Ab zra mujh ko itna btana Munnah je k Woh khair se Aap logo ne b Tableeghi Jammat se Mutassir ho k apni aik Nam Nehad si Jamat bnae hoi hai jis ko aap log "MADNI QAFILA" Kehte hoo...........Woh b kahee jati hai k Bus Multan me hi Josh e Muhabbat dikhate phirte hai?Mera to Khayal hai.......k .........Us "Madni Qafila" ki range Out of Pakistan to kaheen b nahi hogi? Hai na? Agr hai to plz mujh ko zra info daian! Aur yad aya k khair se "Madni Qafila" ne Sub Tarteeb " Tableeghgi Jamaat" hi ki naql kr k bnae hai........Warna Kha Tablleghi Jamaat jo k 1947 se b pehle ki Start hai..........Aur kaha "madni qafila" jo ab kahe ja k bana! To kia khayal hai munnah ji.........! Alhumdulillah Dawat-e-Islami ki janib se na tu galiyo mein chapa'maar team bhaiji jaati hai jo young larko ko pakar pakar kar zabardasti seh'rozay aur chillay per bezaar kar ke ghaseetay hain aur na hi naswaari Pathano ko ko jama kar ke apni jamat ka count barhatay hain. Na hi Dawat-e-Islami logo ko pakar kar Shab-e-Juma ke naam per zabardasti Makki Masjid ki 1 dish party mein le jati hai. Kahi se Qorma aa raha hai tu kahi se kuch. Gaya bhi kaafi baar hun magar khaya is darr se nahi ke kahi Kawwa Qorma hi na ho! Garden East, Karachi mein rehta hun mein aur yaha ye The-bug-league bharay paray hain aur aksar-o-baishtar baray ajeeb-o-ghareeb lateefay hotay hain. Iss the-bug-league ki "Gashti Team" ke Tareeqa-e-wardaat se tu aap waqif hi hon gay. Pehlay aik ko pakartay hain phir ussi ko saath mei le kar doosray ko, phir doosray ko saath le kar teesray ko and so on. So kaee baar tu aisa hota hai ke humaray muhallay ke top class chichooray sharabi mawaliyo ke samait ye toola hum tak pohanchta hai aur woh chichooray sharabi becharay aankhein tak nahi mila patay kyu ke woh khud bhi jantay hain ke hum unki asliyat se waqif hain. Tu kehnay ka maqsad ye ke Dawat-e-Islami ki tableegh aur The-bug-league mein zameen aasman ka farq hai. Rahi baat ke Dawat-e-Islami dunya mein kaha kaha Islam ki dawat de rahi tu simply google per search kar lijiye . Sooraj ko chiraagh dikhanay ki be'waqoofi mein tu nahi karo ga. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peer2009 مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Munna786 . is ka jawab aap ko mila tha eik forum per per aap ne apne bahiuoon ki terha aker post ki aur gahieb ho gaye . ya sahyed aap ko jo jawab mila us me himmet peda na hosa ki yaha to aap ko wah wah mille gi na. please ghalet propogenda mat kijye. ALLAh ki han bhi jawab de hona he . us ka to khiyal rakhyeh. aru faziel ammal ka musanif hazret zakriya sahib ko ALALh ne Madinah me fot howy aru janatul baki me madfoon howy. yeh hoti he muhabbet nabi pak ki sath ke tamana ki woh puri howi. aru anti bralvi bahyee . koye faida nahi . yaha aap ki pukar sunnan wal koye nahi he. in ke samne hazaron dalleili rakho lakeer ke fakeer he rahien ge. kash ke in ko samjh ajye. meri dua he ke in ko hadayet mille. Saybrite. aap ki jhoot ke daad deni perhi gi .yar me saudia me rehta hoon mujh se ziyada aap jante ho ge. kiyaa p ko ghieb ka ilem he ke yahan pabandi he. ajao yar me ALLAh ko hazir nazir jan ker kehta hoon ke esa nahi he. aru city kapata nahi AL-khober paksitani embasy school me masjid me raat ko faziel amal ki taleem hoti he . aur jamtien ati hein nikalti hien. han iek he itan oppenly nahi hota jitna pak ma ya kaye aur hota he. but yahan se tablighi jamat bahiir bhi jati hien. is time 210 countreis se ziyda mulkon me jamatien chal rahi hien. kiya sabit kerna he. jitan zore laga lo. yeh bahrta jaye ga sannu ki. kissi ki bolne se kuch nahi hota. aur haan eik baat yad rako sare baralvi hazraat. in gider bakhtiuoon se kcuh nahi hota ALLHAMDULILLAH. punjab jahan bidatiuoon ka gher tha ab unhi gahroon se log jamat me jok dher jok arahien hien . is liya koye kehne ki zaroret nahi he. aab aap tliyan bajao. jo marzi karo sannu ki. jitan marzi ilzam lagao shikul hadith ki shan me jitni cahyeh gusstakhi karo. per jo mukam woh pa chukke aap ke bare bhi nahi pasakte honge. its surelly chellenged. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farhan26 مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 BAHIO muja saamjnahi ayti tum loag tablighi jamaat sa itna jelous kyun ho.IASS ma kisi ku kohi shaak nahi hona chaayia ha ka yah pioneer jamat ha jiass na ISLAM ke tablighee start ke aur islam ku pheylna ma iass jamat ka bhoat hath ha.dawat-islamic tu recently ayiee ha.Apaas ma lari kernay sa better ha ka isalm ku pheylna ka liya kaam kia jaay . اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Munna786 . is ka jawab aap ko mila tha eik forum per per aap ne apne bahiuoon ki terha aker post ki aur gahieb ho gaye . ya sahyed aap ko jo jawab mila us me himmet peda na hosa ki yaha to aap ko wah wah mille gi na. Inn kamo mein tu aap master hain janab, zara apne girebaan mein tu jhaankiye. Woh aap hi hain na jisn ne private messages mein aik alehda topic banane ki yaqeen'dihani karwae thi aur tab se ab tak faraar hain? Be'ghairti ki sari haddein tu already paar kar chukay hain aap, ab aur kya chahtay hain? aru anti bralvi bahyee . koye faida nahi . yaha aap ki pukar sunnan wal koye nahi he. in ke samne hazaron dalleili rakho lakeer ke fakeer he rahien ge. kash ke in ko samjh ajye. meri dua he ke in ko hadayet mille. Bus yehi auqaat hai aap ki. Aaiye aur aa kar apnay loota'baradraan ki posts per awaazein kassiye. Iss se zyada kuch aap se ho bhi nahi sakta. Waisay ab tak aap ne ya aap ke loota'chaap bhai ne kaun si daleel paish kar di? Aap kehtay hain mein khud Saudia mein hun, aa kar dekh lo ye daleel hai? Miya jee hawa hawai batein na karein, koi saboot bhi paish karein. Saybrite. aap ki jhoot ke daad deni perhi gi .yar me saudia me rehta hoon mujh se ziyada aap jante ho ge. Saudia mein aap rehtay hain tu mien aap se zyada kaisay jaan sakta hun? Aur kaun sa jhoot bol dya mein ne janab. Usay jhoota sabit kiye baghair mujhay jhoota kehna tu tuhmat hai. Mein ne tu Saudi Kitab ka scan tak paish kar diya. kiyaa p ko ghieb ka ilem he ke yahan pabandi he. ajao yar me ALLAh ko hazir nazir jan ker kehta hoon ke esa nahi he. aru city kapata nahi AL-khober paksitani embasy school me masjid me raat ko faziel amal ki taleem hoti he. aur jamtien ati hein nikalti hien. han iek he itan oppenly nahi hota jitna pak ma ya kaye aur hota he. Mein ne jo baat ki hai saboot ki saath ki hai. Aap dil ki aankh se tu andhay hain hi sarr ki aankho se andhay ho gaye hain lagta hai. Saudia mein rehtay hian tu thori bohut Arabic aati hi hogi, phir bhi kehtay hain ke mujhay kaisay ilm huwa! Waisay apna bhaanda aap ne khud hi phoor dya! Aap kehtay hain ke iss Al-Khobair ya jo bhi masjid hai yaha Fazail-e-Aamal ki taleem hoti hai aur jamatein bhi nikalti hain magar itna openly nahi. Awwal tu Fazail-e-Aamal itself Saudia mein banned hai. Aksar-o-baishtar airport per hi pakar kar cheen li jati hai iss baat ki kaee gawah paish kar sakta hun jo khud deobandi hain. Aur chaliye maan lya ke kuch ban nahi, koi pa'bandi nahi tu phir chooro ki tarah munh chupa kar kyu jamatein nikalti hain? Openly jis tarah Indo-Pak ya baqi dunya mein kaam hota hai waisay kyu nahi? Zahir hai ke pabandi hai issi wajeh se warna deen ka kaam chup chup ke karna?? Mein pehlay hi keh chuka ke choro ki tarah munh chupa ke tu dunya mein her kaam ho jata hai. Qadiyanis bhi Pakistan mein officially tu ban hain na? Phir bhi chup chupa ke (kuch saalo se tu khul) kar kaam kar hi rahay hian na? Tu kya aap ye kahein gay ke Qadiyanio per ban hai hi nahi? Khair ab mazeed saboot paish karne ki tu koi zaroorat hi nahi reh jaati kyu ke apni zaban se aap khud hi iqraar kar chukay ke Tablighi Jamat Saudia mein chooro ki tarah chup chup ke kaam karti hai! aur haan eik baat yad rako sare baralvi hazraat. in gider bakhtiuoon se kcuh nahi hota ALLHAMDULILLAH. punjab jahan bidatiuoon ka gher tha ab unhi gahroon se log jamat me jok dher jok arahien hien. is liya koye kehne ki zaroret nahi he. aab aap tliyan bajao. jo marzi karo sannu ki.jitan marzi ilzam lagao shikul hadith ki shan me jitni cahyeh gusstakhi karo. per jo mukam woh pa chukke aap ke bare bhi nahi pasakte honge. its surelly chellenged. Kya piddi aur kya piddi ka shorba! Geedar'bhapkiya hota hai asal lafz, pehlay Urdu tu seekh lijiye janab. Waisay aik baat maan gaye deobandiyo. Be'ghairati be'sharmi mein aap ka koi saani nahi! Punjab mein kya pooray Pakistan kya, sari dunya mein aksariyat aaj bhi aisay Sunniyo ki hi hai ke jin ke bunyaadi aqaid wohi hain jo Ahle'Sunnat wa'Jamat Barelwi ke hain. Sunni ginnay hun tu Milad-un-Nabi (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) ke juloos mein hi chalay jana, gintay gintay deobandi nasal ki ungliya khatam ho jaye gi lekin Sunniyo ke sarr kam na hongay! Baqi mujhay ye taqreerein karna pasand nahi. Baat woh sahi jo dalail-o-saboot ke saath ho. Waisay miya Reehab urf Peer2009, uss topic ka tu kuch jawab dijiye. Bari bay'chaini se intizaar hai aap ke dalail dekhne ka . Ghabraiyatt matt! Maroo ga thori aap ko waha, sirf baatein honi hai. Aur ab ye jhoot matt booliye ga ke time nahi kyu ke agar aap ke paas time nahi tu phir doosray topics mein posts karne ka time kaha se milta hai? Umeed hai iss baar himmat karein gay aap ! اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jad Dul Mukhtar مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 19 فروری 2009 PEhli Baat k Woh DAROOD E PAK parha ja sakta hai....Agr Aap ka Aqeeda saheh ho! Matlab k agr aap "Assalat o Wssalam" wala darood is neyat se parho k Hazoor Pak (S.A.W) mOJOOD hain aur direct mera darood sun rahe hain.......to phir to yeh Aqeeda b ghalat aur is Neyat se Darood parhna b ghalat........Kyo K is Neyyat se Aap Hazoor Pak(S.A.W) KO Hazir nazir Maan rahe ho............Aur Hazir Nazir ZAAT Sirf Aik Allah Ki hai.......Aur Fazael e Darood Shareef me to Wazeh likha howa hai......(Shayed Aap ne Ghor nahi kia) K "Asssalat" wala Darood Qabr e Athar pe Hazri k moqa pe likha hai.........Aur Us waqt to parhna Jaiz hai k Rasool Pak(S.A.W) Waha Apni Qabr e Athar Me mojod hote hain! Lehaza Mia smjhne se qasir hoo k aap ne woh page scan kr k kia dikhane ki koshish ki hai.........? Us me to koi Eateraz wali Baat hi nahi.........! janab Anti-Brelvi sahib app ki post kay iss hissa per kuch sawaloon kay jawab darkar hain, ummed hai kah app sawaloon kay jawab 2 the point dain ge. 1) kya ye durood e paak har jagah parha ja sakht hai ?? 2) agar har jagah parha ja sakhta hai to niyat kia hogi ?? 3) ye durood e paak mazaar e pur anwar kay elawa apnay qayam ya apnay sahar main koi parhay jab'kah niyaat hazir o nizir ki ho to wo kafir hai ya mushrik ?? 4) apnay qayaam ya apnay sahar main ye durood e paak parhnay wala iss main koi changes karay ga ya nahi ?? ( kyon kah iss main "" Alaika "" seega e khitab hai or khitab uss ko kia jata hai jo samnah mojood ho or sunta ho, or doosra "" Ya "" hurf e nidaah bhi ataa hai or ghair ullah ko nidaah karna .......) ullama deoband kay nazdeeq ye donoon hi naqabil e qabool hain. 5) agar nahi kia jaye ga to iss ki wajah ?? app in sawaloon kay jawab dain, insha Allah azzawajal phir agay baat hoti hai. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Barelvi مراسلہ: 20 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 20 فروری 2009 Jad ul Mukhtar sahib! Inshallah! Mai zror aap ki sawalat k jawabat doo ga! Filhall to mujhe zra last posting per Eateraazat ka jawab daina hai...........! اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Barelvi مراسلہ: 20 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 20 فروری 2009 Ab zra sub brelvi hazraat apni apni dhotian snmbhalne ki fikr krain…..kyo k Mai in raza khanio ki boseeda dhotio me Cheer phar krne k lea aa gea hoo……….! Sub se pehle to Hanaffi muslima ki bongi mulajiza hoo…..! sub forum members daikh skte hain k meri posting k fil for baad hanafi brelvi ne apni posting ki hai aur hanafi ki bokhlahat pe mera hans hans k bura hall hai. Mulahiza ho: niceee sharing! Allah hamein wahbiyoon ki shar se bachae (Ameen Bejahin Nabiyyil Ameen ) Goya sub se pehle to hanafi sahib meri posting pe “Nice sharing” aur “jazak allah” farma rahe hai……………aur us k foran baad Anti Brelvio se panah bhi mang rahe hai………….! Ab mai smjhne se qasir hoo k hanafi brelvi hai………..k………..anti-brelvi….? Yeh b sokta hai k Mohteram Darmean ki koi cheese hoo………….baharhal Sybrite jee zra apne hanafi brelvi ko snmbhale……….meri aik hi posting se un ka zehni tawazun bigar gea hai………….chchchch………..! Us k baad aate hai Mutlashi ki taraf…………Naam se hi saaf zahir hai k hazrat mutlashi sahib brelviat me rehte howe bhi haq k mutlashi hai……….. To jnab mai to aap se us waqt baat kro ga jab aap ki talash khatam hoi jae gi………….OK? Waise tableeghi jamat ne aap ko kon kon si aur kis noeat ki takaleef pohnchai hai…………..?………btana pasand farmae ge Aap……? Waise mai ne bhi aap ki Dawat e Islami ka aik naam socha hai…… ” Dawat e ghair islami” …………..kaisa naam hai………..? Pasandeedgi ka shukria……………….! Ab aate hai faltoo shehzad ki taraf………….Mohteram aap ki to mai is se pehle b aik forum per kafi Utar chukka hoo………..phir aa ge ho doze laine………….?. ok ……….jaise aap ki marzi………! Jnab zrori nahi k mai hr hawala scan kr k hi sabot dikhao………mai jab bhi kisi Hasti …….aur……..Kitaab ka qoal daita hoo to sath me Un hasti ka naam aur un ki kitab ka wazeh hawala b daita ho………! Jaisa k is pehle aik forum pe main ne Hazrat Peeran e Peer (R.A) ka hawala un ki kitab FATAH UR RABBANI se paish kia tha……..! Aap ne apni posting me waise to koi khas kam ki baat nahi ki……….lakin aakhir me to khoob jahalat ka muzahira kia hai…..Faltoo sahib farmate hai……: ghoor sai perhay kay Saudi Mufti nai likha hay tablighi jamat par Pabandi ka na kay ham nai apni taraf sai baat ke hai.App nai agar Radd he kerna tha tu Saudi Mufti ka kertay To jnab kai zroori hai k Saudi mufti ne saheh kaha ho………..k…..pabandi hai? Hr area me kuch tang nazar aur ta’assub rakhne wale loog mojod hote hai……(Jaise Pakistan me Aap Brelvi)..aur aik mufti ne baat kr di aur aap us pe Aameen kehte howe Facts se nazarain chura rahe hoo! Ab agr mai likh doo k Aap k Aal hazrat “Wald-uz-Zina” hai……….to kia aap meri baat tasleem kr lain gain……….? Faisla aap pe chorta hoon! Aur jnab sybarite sahib aap ki to posting parh kr mujhe sakhat disappointment hoi…….bcoz aaj aap ki posting me aap ki be-basi aur Shikasat saaf jhalak rahi hai……! Koi qabil e zikr aur wazeh baat nahi ki aap ne………! Sadi mufti ki kitab k pages scan kr k aap ne dikha dea……..Us hawala pe mai koi baat nahi kro ga………faltoo shehzad sahib ko mai is masla pe bohat kuch keh chukka hoo………aur ab b sirf itna kaho ga……….k Saudi Arab me Tableeghi jamat pe koi pabandi nahi……..Agr Yakeen nahi aata to zra aik baar phir Makki Masjid ja k waha se “RAWANGI” K register utha k daikh laina……..Inshallah aap ko tassalli ho jae gi….! Rahi baat Israel wali to jnab Is baat se aap ki jealousy saaf tapak rahi hai k Allah ne Tableghi jamat ko Honour dia k who waha pe ja kr waha k Logo ki fikar kre aur app ki who nam nehad Dawat e Ghair Islami ko Israel me ghusne nahi dia jata………Hai na……? Sybrite ji baat to qaboleat ki hai na………….Ab agr tableeghi jamat waha pe Ghair muslimo ki fikar kr rahi hai to……….aap mk pait me to maroor uthna hai na………..k………Allah k karam se itne sare ghair muslim “Deobandio” me convert hote ja rahe hai………..Aur aik baat pe to mai ab bhi sharat lagata hoo k agr aaj Israel se Deeni jamato ki entry per se pabandi uth jae…………to kal Dawat e Ghair Islami ka Madni Tola waha pe bhagta howa jae ga………aur Baqoal aap k Yahoodi ki Olad bn’ne ka Sharaf hasil kre ga…………..! Rahi baat chappa mar kr she roza aur chilla pe bhijne ki………to jnab hum ti is baat pe believe rakhte hai……….k logo ko mohabbat aur un ki marzi se is halqa me laya jae………….Kia ap ne kabhi daikha k Raiwind k Ijtima e Azeem pe logo ko zabardasti aur Hath-kario me bandh k laya jata hai………………? Baat itni hai……….k loog khud apni jaan…..maal……waqt kharch kr k waha pe pohnchte hai…………..! Believe me! Sun kr khushi hoi k aap bhi Markaz me ae the…….lakin phir disappointment bhi hoi k ……..Afsos k aap me Hidayat ki koi kiran na photo saki………….Lagta hai k aap ka dil b sakht ho gea hai………aur ab Hidayat naam ki koi cheese ander enter nahi ho pa rahi……….waise agr aik baar aankhain band kr k who Qorma kha laite na………to shayed pehli martaba Halal ka khana kha k aap ki bhi bosseda rooh me koi tazgi aa jati…………Baharahal aik qeemto moqa zaya kr dia aap ne apni Islah ka…………..! Ainda bhi jate rahe isi tarah to Inshallah aik din zror Deobandi ban k niklo gae…………….! Aur sybarite sahib aap ki aakhrio baat ne mujhe na sirf bohat kuch sochne pe majboor kr dia hai blke………..aap………..aur aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami ka chehra b be-naqab kr dia hai……..! Aap farmate hai: So kaee baar tu aisa hota hai ke humaray muhallay ke top class chichooray sharabi mawaliyo ke samait ye toola hum tak pohanchta hai aur woh chichooray sharabi becharay aankhein tak nahi mila patay kyu ke woh khud bhi jantay hain ke hum unki asliyat se waqif hain. Muhje kuch bato k jawab daian zra: Kia yaeh Sharabi aur Chichoray Insaan nahi hai?……………Kia yeh Sharabi aur Chichoray Musalmaan nahi hai?…………..Kia yeh Sharabi aur Chichoary Nabi e Pak (S.A.W) Ki ummat me se nahi hai………….? Kia in ki islah ki Zimmadari kisi pe nahi hai…………? Kia in ki Islaah k lea koi aur Nabi (A.S) Ae ga……………? Sharam to nahi ae aap ko in logo ki Tehqeer krte howe……..Aap k lehja se in logo se nafrat aur haqarat saaf tapak rahi hai…………..Dawa to bohat krte hai aap loog Eshq e Rasool ka………aur un ki Ummat K Logo se itni nafraat……? Aur phir aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami ka jo naara hai k” Mujhe dawat e islami se pyar hai” to Aakhir who kon log hai…….jin ko AaP KI Dawat E Ghair Islami Tableegh krna pasand krti hai………..? Agr Tableeghi jamat in logo ki Hidayat aur Islah ki fikar krti hai…….Jin ko aap log Thukra daite hai………To mear to khayal hai……….k yeh Tableeghi Jammat ki bohat bari khoobi hai………….Lagta hai k aap ki Dawat E ghair islami ko in logo se koi hamdardi nahi……….Aur na hi aap in ko insaan smjhte hai…………..Aur haan Aap un ki asleat se waqif hai……….to ziada khush fehmi ki zrorat nahi…….aap bhi koi aise Wali Ullah nahi hai……….K jis ki asleat me sirf Naikiyan aur khoobiyan hi pari hoi hoooo………….! Aur aakhir me aap k tawas’sut se Dawat e Ghair Islami ko mai aik mashwara b daina chaho ga…………aur who yeh k………Zra kabhi Un HASEEN O JAMEEL AUR NO-JAWAN Bacho Ko hi sirf tableegh na kia krain………..bl ke in Sharabio aur Chichoray logo ki b Islah ki Fikar kijya krain……………….! اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Ab zra sub brelvi hazraat apni apni dhotian snmbhalne ki fikr krain…..kyo k Mai inraza khanio ki boseeda dhotio me Cheer phar krne k lea aa gea hoo……….! Deobandiyo ko zaleel hone ka kitna shouq hai iss ka muzahira iss forum per aap ke deobandari bhai aksar-o-baishtar kartay rehtay hain. Aap ki deobandariyatt ke saray bajay tu bajj hi chukay hain, ab aur kitna zaleel hona chahtay hain. Loota'chaap Deobandiyo ka Risala Zarb-e-Momin http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?showtopic=7167 "deobandRo ki barsi" walay topic per aakhiri reply 6 din pehlay kya tha aap ne. Tab se ab tak mafroor hain aap us topic se. "Loota'chaap Deobandiyo ka Risala Zarb-e-Momin" per tu aap ne bolnay ki himmat hi nahi ki. Tu aap ki ilmi auqaat tu yaha sab per pehlay hi wazeh hai! Sub se pehle to Hanaffi muslima ki bongi mulajiza hoo…..! sub forum members daikh skte hain k meri posting k fil for baad hanafi brelvi ne apni posting ki hai aur hanafi ki bokhlahat pe mera hans hans k bura hall hai. Mulahiza ho: niceee sharing! Allah hamein wahbiyoon ki shar se bachae (Ameen Bejahin Nabiyyil Ameen ) Goya sub se pehle to hanafi sahib meri posting pe “Nice sharing” aur “jazak allah” farma rahe hai……………aur us k foran baad Anti Brelvio se panah bhi mang rahe hai………….! Ab mai smjhne se qasir hoo k hanafi brelvi hai………..k………..anti-brelvi….? Yeh b sokta hai k Mohteram Darmean ki koi cheese hoo………….baharhal Sybrite jee zra apne hanafi brelvi ko snmbhale……….meri aik hi posting se un ka zehni tawazun bigar gea hai………….chchchch………..! Sach bataiye ye aap ne lateefa suna ne ki koshish ki hai ya kuch aur? I mean aap kya Africa ke jungle se bhagay deo ke bandar hain ya shehri bandar hain? Matlab ab kya lutay huway deobandariyo ke paas isi tarah ke aiterazaat reh gaye hain?? Awwal tu Hanafi Muslimah ki post ko ghour se parhiye. Wazeh tour per likha hai ke "nice sharing" aur aap ki post mein koi attachment hai hi nahi tu it simply means ke Hanafi Muslimah ne ye post aap ke bawlay'panay per nahi balkay Munna786 ki janib se share kiye huway unn scans per ki thi. Doosri baat, dunya ka ye kaun sa qaida hai ke agar aap ki post ke baad koi post kare tu woh sirf aur sirf aap hi ki post ka reply ho sakta hai? Na tu Hanafi Muslima ne aap ki post ko quote kar ke jawab diya, na poori post mein kahi aap ko mukhatib kya, aap bila'wajeh hi aik taang per uchlay jaa rahe hain ke meri post ko reply kya, meri post ko reply kya. Ab waqt guzari ke liye aisay chichoor'panay karne se perhaiz kijiye! Us k baad aate hai Mutlashi ki taraf…………Naam se hi saaf zahir hai k hazrat mutlashi sahib brelviat me rehte howe bhi haq k mutlashi hai.. To jnab mai to aap se us waqt baat kro ga jab aap ki talash khatam hoi jae gi…OK? Waise tableeghi jamat ne aap ko kon kon si aur kis noeat ki takaleef pohnchai hai?…tana pasand farmae ge Aap? Waise mai ne bhi aap ki Dawat e Islami ka aik naam socha hai……” Dawat e ghair islami” ..kaisa naam hai…? Pasandeedgi ka shukria.! Unn ka naam nahi display name hai Mutlashi aur iss display name se ye kaisay sabit hota hai ke woh Haq ke hi Mutalaashi hain? Waisay honay ko tu woh Barelwiyat mein rehtay huway Deobandariyo mein Mard ke mutalashi ho saktay hain, jo ke aaj kal nayaab hain! Possibly kisi ghairat'mand aur sharm-o-haya walay deobandari ke Mutalashi hon lekin becharay uss mein bhi na'kaam hi rahein gay. To jnab kai zroori hai k Saudi mufti ne saheh kaha ho………..k…..pabandi hai? Hr area me kuch tang nazar aur ta’assub rakhne wale loog mojod hote hai (Jaise Pakistan me Aap Brelvi)..aur aik mufti ne baat kr di aur aap us pe Aameen kehte howe Facts se nazarain chura rahe hoo! Ab agr mai likh doo k Aap k Aal hazrat “Wald-uz-Zina” hai.to kia aap meri baat tasleem kr lain gain.? Faisla aap pe chorta hoon! Miya jee, deobandariyo mein kya jhoot ka radd isi tarah kartay hain? Be'bus deobandariyo ke paas pehlay bhi koi daleel nahi thi aur bhi nahi hai. Warna usooli tour per aap ko chahiye tha ke apnay daway per daleel paish kartay. Waisay aap ke aqeeday ki tarah aap ki maloomat bhi naqis hain. Aap ki The-bug-League jamat per sirf ye aik fatwa nahi aur bhi kafi hain jin mein sab se mazboot Saudi Arabia ke Grand Mufti from 1993 till his death in 1999 Bin Baz ka hai! Aur aik bhi nahi, kafi fatway hain aap ki iss loota'bradar jamaat ke khilaaf. Kahein tu saray post kar dun? So ye bekaar ki taweel na dijiye ke aik mufti ke kehnay se kya hota hai. Aap mein agar bhaija naam ki cheez hoti tu pehlay ye samajh lete ye koi infiradi fatwa nahi balkay chapi huwi kitab hai, aur aankhein khool kar publisher and publishing rights likhay hain ooper scan mein woh bhi dekh lijiye. Sadi mufti ki kitab k pages scan kr k aap ne dikha dea..Us hawala pe mai koi baat nahi kro ga faltoo shehzad sahib ko mai is masla pe bohat kuch keh chukka hoo…aur ab b sirf itna kaho ga….k Saudi Arab me Tableeghi jamat pe koi pabandi nahi.Agr Yakeen nahi aata to zra aik baar phir Makki Masjid ja k waha se “RAWANGI” K register utha k daikh laina .Inshallah aap ko tassalli ho jae gi.! Hawalo per tu aap ke baray baat nahi kar paye aap ki kya auqaat hai. Aur ye koi nai baat bhi nahi. Jis ki cheez ka jawab deobandariyo ke paas nahi hota usay kawwa qorma samajh kar harap kar jatay hain aur doosray masail mein ulajh kar baat ko ghuma dete hain. Zinda misaal aap ke samnay hain Peer2009 ki shikal mein. Iss bawlay deobandari ko bari masti thi baat karne ki. Private messages mein tafseel se mein ne isay dawat de di ke janab tareeqay se baat kar lete hain alehda topic bana kar, ye aap ka deobandari bhai tab se ab tak waqt ki kami ka bahana bana kar bhaga huwa hai. Uss alehda topic per baat aati hai tu iss bhagooray ke paas time nahi hota, lekin her doosray topics mein iss ki post aap khud dekh saktay hain. Tu kehnay ka maqsad ye ke humein tu pehlay hi andaza hai ke saboot-o-dalail ke jawab mein aap ke paas kuch nahi. Siwaye chichoor'panay ke aap deobandariyo ke bus mein aur kuch nahi! Aur aankhein khol kar pichli post parhiye. Humara dawa hai ke officially Tablighi Jamat banned hai, ye dawa kisi ne nahi kya ke choori chupay (shyad burqa'poosh mujahid ke roop) mein tablighi jamat waha nahi jaati. We were talking about official statement miya jee. Jaisay Qadiani/Ahmedi jamat Pakistan mein officially ban hai magar phir bhi choori'chupay ye Pakistan mein apna kaam jari rakhay huway hain. Aur isi tarah munh'chupaye chooro ki tarah agar Tablighi Jamatiye Saudia mein ghuss jatay hain tu iss se humara dawa kaisay ghalat sabit hota hai? Aap ka apna deobandari bhai apni zaban se iqraar bhi kar chuka ke Tablighi jamat waha openly kaam nahi karti jaisay Indo-Pak mein karti hai! Rahi baat Israel wali to jnab Is baat se aap ki jealousy saaf tapak rahi hai k Allah ne Tableghi jamat ko Honour dia k who waha pe ja kr waha k Logo ki fikar kre aur app ki who nam nehad Dawat e Ghair Islami ko Israel me ghusne nahi dia jata…Hai na? Sybrite ji baat to qaboleat ki hai na. Ab agr tableeghi jamat waha pe Ghair muslimo ki fikar kr rahi hai to. aap mk pait me to maroor uthna hai na k Allah k karam se itne sare ghair muslim “Deobandio” me convert hote ja rahe hai..Aur aik baat pe to mai ab bhi sharat lagata hoo k agr aaj Israel se Deeni jamato ki entry per se pabandi uth jae…to kal Dawat e Ghair Islami ka Madni Tola waha pe bhagta howa jae ga aur Baqoal aap k Yahoodi ki Olad bn’ne ka Sharaf hasil kre ga! Asal baat ko ghuma kar kahi se kahi le janay mei master hain aap deobandari! Miya jee mera sawal sirf itna hai ke jab Israel ne Islam ki ishaat rookne ke liye tamaam Islami jamato per pabandi lagai huwi hai tu Tablighi Jamat ko centre kholne ki ijazat kyu kar de di? Zahir hai kuch tu rishta hai Yahoodiya ka Deobandariyo se warna Tablighi Jamat tu waisay bhi World Politics mein suspicious hai terrorism ki wajeh se! Israel Palestine ke Muslim mujahideen tu durr ki baat, aam muslim aurato aur bacho tak ko maar raha hai lekin Tablighi Jamat ke mullay choo'ke apnay bachay hain iss liye khullay aam ghoomtay hain! Aap ke deobandari yaha Pakistan mein tu baray muzahiray kartay hain Israel ke khilaaf, rooz aakhbaro mein aap ka koi na koi mulla shuhraat kamanay ke liye siyaasi bayan deta hai Israel ke khilaaf lekin aaj tak kisi newspaper ye nahi parha ke Israel mein moujod Tablighi Jamatiyo ne koi muzahira kya ho! Ha ye khabrein zaroor parhi hain! According to the "Daily Assas" (19-09-95, Lahore), even Israel and India who are the worst enemies of Islam do not consider the Tableeghi Jamaat as a threat or harmful to them because the Tableeghi Jamaat not only abstains from any form of Jihad but also considers it an absolute prohibition. This is evident in the history of their activities. It is with these facts in mind that the Israeli authorities have allowed the Tableeghi Jamaat to establish 24 centres in Israel. Members of the Tableeghi Jamaat travelling from India to Raiwind in Pakistan were allowed special Air Charter facilities by the Indian authorities which is otherwise not available to other Muslims According to the "Weekly Takbeer" (19-10-95, Karachi, Pakistan), Israel has granted the Tableeghi Jamaat permission to establish propagation centres. The Jamaat has already set up offices close to government buildings in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. On the 7th of October 1995, Abdul Mahdi, leader of the delegation of Palestinians and now living in Jordan, said upon arriving in Raiwind that the deputation of Tableeghi Jamaat members in Israel had not even uttered a word of protest at the Israeli brutality unleased on Palestinians. Ye hai aap ki asliyatt! So iss Tablighi Jamat ke iss zaleel chehray ko chupaany ke liye boongiya na maro ke aisa hoga tu waisa hoga. Jo ho raha hai uss per baat karo lo pehlay. Rahi baat chappa mar kr she roza aur chilla pe bhijne ki…to jnab hum ti is baat pe believe rakhte hai.k logo ko mohabbat aur un ki marzi se is halqa me laya jae.Kia ap ne kabhi daikha k Raiwind k Ijtima e Azeem pe logo ko zabardasti aur Hath-kario me bandh k laya jata hai? Baat itni hai….k loog khud apni jaan..maal……waqt kharch kr k waha pe pohnchte hai! Iss ka jawab tu miya jee aap khud bhi jaantay hain ke kitnay larkay dil se jaatay hain kitnay majboori aur be'dilli se. Ab sari ki sari musalmaan awaam deobandariyo ki tarah tu be'ghairat hai nahi. Mostly mein ne jo dekha hai woh yehi ke larkay durr se Gashti toolay ko dekh kar hi race ho jatay hain, jo bad'qismati se pakre jatay hain unhay phir be'dilli se razamandi zahir karni parti hai. Murawwat mein woh becharay iss liye chal partay hain 90% awaam ko deobandariyo ke asal zaleel aqeedo ka pata hi nahi hota, woh bechara iss sharm se ke Islami kaam ko kaun mana kare chal partay hain be'dilli se ke chalo kuch ho na ho tour hi lag jaye ga. Aur Wallah! ye baatein mein khud unn deobandariyo ke munh se sun chuka hun jo chillay tak laga chukay hain. Believe me! Sun kr khushi hoi k aap bhi Markaz me ae the.lakin phir disappointment bhi hoi k.Afsos k aap me Hidayat ki koi kiran na photo saki.Lagta hai k aap ka dil b sakht ho gea hai aur ab Hidayat naam ki koi cheese ander enter nahi ho pa rahi waise agr aik baar aankhain band kr k who Qorma kha laite na to shayed pehli martaba Halal ka khana kha k aap ki bhi bosseda rooh me koi tazgi aa jati…Baharahal aik qeemto moqa zaya kr dia aap ne apni Islah ka..! Ainda bhi jate rahe isi tarah to Inshallah aik din zror Deobandi ban k niklo gae.! Makki masjid 1 baar nahi kaafi baar gaya hun mein. Alhumdulillah mein Sunni sirf iss liye nahi ke Sunni ke ghar paida huwa! Humari ilaqay ki masjid ki Jamat ke Ameer huwa karte thay Muhammad Amin Memon, ab maloom nahi wohi hain ke koi aur lekin becharay Makki Masjid mein bhi zaleel hi huway thay. Inn Ameer sahab se kuch sawal kiye thay, jawab mein kaha ke Makki Masjid chalo tu jawab dun ga aur waha pohanch kar sawal sun kar itna sa munh ho gaya tha kyu ke jawab un ke paas bhi nahi tha. Khair ye saray personal experiences hain jin ki debates mein koi zaroorat nahi hoti so rehne dijiye. Rahi baat halaal khanay ki tu janab uss din woh Qorma jis Pathan ki taraf se tha woh aaj bhi barabar wali building mein hi rehta hai aur uss ka karobaar sabhi jantay hain. Mousof sood per paisa de dete hain aur waqt per wapis na milne per karzdaar ke bachay tak uthwa lete hain. So ab iss Qorma ko halaal samajh kar khana aap hi ko mubarak. Aur deobandi ban kar nikalne ki baat tu khair se rehne hi dein. 5-6 saal deobandi madrassay mein parha hun mein. Ghafooria Masjid ke Qari Jaleel iss baat ki gawahi de dein gay. So jab Allah aur uss ke Rasool ke karam se in 5-6 saalo mein deobandari khabasat dil mein jaga nahi bana saki tu ab kya bana le gi Kia yaeh Sharabi aur Chichoray Insaan nahi hai? Kia yeh Sharabi aur Chichoray Musalmaan nahi hai? Kia yeh Sharabi aur Chichoary Nabi e Pak (S.A.W) Ki ummat me se nahi hai? Kia in ki islah ki Zimmadari kisi pe nahi hai? Kia in ki Islaah k lea koi aur Nabi (A.S) Ae ga? Sharam to nahi ae aap ko in logo ki Tehqeer krte howe. Aap k lehja se in logo se nafrat aur haqarat saaf tapak rahi hai. Dawa to bohat krte hai aap loog Eshq e Rasool ka aur un ki Ummat K Logo se itni nafraat? Aur phir aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami ka jo naara hai k”Mujhe dawat e islami se pyar hai” to Aakhir who kon log hai jin ko AaP KI Dawat E Ghair Islami Tableegh krna pasand krti hai? Agr Tableeghi jamat in logo ki Hidayat aur Islah ki fikar krti hai Jin ko aap log Thukra daite hai To mear to khayal hai k yeh Tableeghi Jammat ki bohat bari khoobi hai Lagta hai k aap ki Dawat E ghair islami ko in logo se koi hamdardi nahi Aur na hi aap in ko insaan smjhte hai. Aur haan Aap un ki asleat se waqif hai to ziada khush fehmi ki zrorat nahi. aap bhi koi aise Wali Ullah nahi hai K jis ki asleat me sirf Naikiyan aur khoobiyan hi pari hoi hoooo! Aur aakhir me aap k tawas’sut se Dawat e Ghair Islami ko mai aik mashwara b daina chaho ga aur who yeh k…Zra kabhi Un HASEEN O JAMEEL AUR NO-JAWAN Bacho Ko hi sirf tableegh na kia krain bl ke in Sharabio aur Chichoray logo ki b Islah ki Fikar kijya krain! Allah-o-Akbar! Matlab aaj tak deobandariyo ki zehni-o-ilmi nehaj wohi hai jo aaj se 5-6 saal pehlay huwa karti thi! Exactly yehi bakwaas aap ke aik deobandari bhai ne kaafi pehlay ki thi. Aap ne aaj phir typical deobandari jahalaat yaad dila di. Chaliye ab jawab bhi sun lijiye; Sharabi aur iss tarah ke guneh'gaar be'shakk musalmaan hain aur inn ki islah issi ummat ke logo per hai. Ho gaya aap ke sawal ka jawab ab agay aiye. In ki tehqeer mein ne kab aur kaisay ki ye bhi zara bataiye. Aap mere lehjay ko nafrat bhara andaaz kehtay hain aur ye waqai bilkul theek hai. Mujhay nafrat hai lekin zara deobandari dimaagh ki batti jala kar soochiye ke nafrat kis se hai? Nafrat uss banday se nahi uss ke haram aamal se hai. Ab woh aur baat hai ke aap ko sharabiyo ki sharab peenay ki aadat se, zaaniyo ke zina karne ki aadat se pyaar ho lekin mujhay inn kism ki cheezo se nafrat hi hai. Rahi baat ke Dawat-e-Islami kin logo ko dawat deti hai tu unn logo mein aisay loog bhi aatay hain balkay aisay logo ko tu islah ki zyada zaroorat hai. Iss per kisay aiteraaz hai? Asal masla tu ye hai ke Dawat-e-Islami aisay logo ko dawat deti hai, na ke inhay muballigh bana kar doosro per ghalat impact daalti hai. Jaisa ke mein pehlay aap ki jamat ka tareeqa-e-wardaat bayan kar chuka tu aisay agar aap ke paas 2 mullo ke sath 3 sharabi Islam ki dawat dene aien gay tu general banday ke dil mein yehi baat aye gi ke khud ye sharabi hain aur humein deen sikhanay aye hain. Umeed hai ke ab baat samajh aa rahi hogi aap ki aqal mein. Mein ne inn sharabiyo ko deen ki dawat dene per aiteraaz nahi kya, inn sharabiyo ko sudharay baghair inn se deen ki dawat dilwanay ko ghalat kaha hai. Aap ki tablighi jamaat karti kya hai aakhir! Aisay logo ko pakar kar seh'roozay per le gaye! Chaliye janab seh'rooza lag gaya ab aoo Saturday night pe ayyashi karein. Aur jo awaam inki harkatein dekhti hai woh ye kehti hai ke ye aye thay humein seh'roozay per le janay. Tabligh-e-deen uss ka kaam hai jo khud iss layak ho ke loog uss ki baat ko sunay aur samjhein. Aap ki tablighi jamat ka tu motto ye hai ke bus tabligh per chalo aur tabligh kartay kartay khud sudhar jao gay! Tabligh ka jo criteria aap ki tablighi jamat ka hai woh aap mujhay kisi hadith, kisi aqwal-e-aimma gharz kisi bhi mustanadd qoul se sabit kar dijiye. Dawat-e-Islami aisay logo ko thukraati nahi balkay inhay deen ki dawat de kar islaah karti hai. Na ke inhi sharabiyo ki islaah huway baghair inhay Mubaligh bana kar apna tamasha banwati hai. Aap ki iss jahilana taqreer mein aap ne sab se zyada zor issi baat per dya ke hum aisay logo se nafrat kartay hain, inhay insaan nahi samajhtay waghaira waghaira. Uss ki wazahat tu mein kar chuka ke mein ne kaha kya tha, aur aap ka deobandari dimaagh samjha kya tha. Ab aiye aap ko tablighi jamaat ki ummat se muhabbat ki daastanay dikhao.. Tafseelat ke mutabiq Hameed Ali Park New Samnabad ka Muhammad Iqbal jo apnay ilaqay mein "Masjid-e-Siddiqui-e-Akbar" ki anjuman ka sadar tha, Raiwind ki Tablighi Jamat ki shuhrat aur mazhabi jazbaat se maghloob ho kar apnay doost Muhammad Khan ke saath Tablighi Jamat ke ijtimaa mein shamil howa, jaha Muhammad Khan nay aalam-e-jazbat mein Naara-e-Risalat aur Baba Shah Jamal Zindabad ka naara bulund kya. Jis per raat ko taqreeban 1 bajay jamat ke muntazimm ussay waha se utha kar lay gaye. Subha ko Muhammad Iqbal ibadat se farigh ho kar apnay dost ki talash mein nikla to masjid ke peechay aik godown mein uss ne Muhammad Khan ko chatt se ulta latka paya jis ko chand afraad dando se zadd-o-koob kar rahay thay. Iqbal nay under jaa kar unn ko rookna chaha to unho nay ussay bhi pakar kar bitha lya aur kaha ke hamaray Molvi sahab aa kar faisla karein gay. Godown mein pehlay se 4 larkay aur bhi unho ne band kiye howay thay. Molvi sahab aye aur aatay hi Iqbal ke sarr per danda de mara jis se Iqbal bay`hosh ho gaya. Bay`hooshi ke dooran unho nay ussay bhi chatt se ulta latka diya aur dando se zadd-o-koob karna shuru kar dya. Hoosh mein aa kar uss ne phir chillana shuru kya ke woh koi choor nahi hai, Siddiqu-e-Akbar masjid ka Sadar hai. Baad`izaa Molvi ka aik karinda Bus mien bitha kar inhay gashi ki halat mein Lahore lay aya aur Ganga Raam Hospital mein farzi hadsay ki daastan suna kar unhay dakhil karwa dya. Jab Iqbal ko hoosh aya to uss ne apni Biwi Naseem Begum ko sari daastan sunai. Iss waqiye ka doosra zakhmi Muhammad Khan abhi tak bay`hooshi ki halat mein bistar-e-marg per sisak raha hai aur apna dimaaghi tawazunn kho chuka hai." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Tablighi Jamat ke mullao nay Tablighi Jamat ke ijtimaa mein shareek honay walay Lahore ke jin 2 mehnat`kasho per tashaddud kya tha unn mein se aik Muhammad Iqbal zakhmo ki taab na latay howay Services Hospital mein jaa`bahaq ho gaya aur uss ki laash baghair post-mortem kiye dafna di gai. Jab ke doosray zakhmi Muhammad Khan ki halat intihai tashweesh naak hai. Matoofi ki laash ka uss ki bewa Naseem Begum ki darkhuwast per Deputy Commissioner ke hukum per qabar se nikaal kar post-mortem karwaya gaya. Matoofi ki bewa ne ye bayan bhi dya hai ke mulzimaan uss per dabao daaltay rahay hain ke woh muqaddmay ki pairwee na karay. Iss silsilay mein ussay 10000 Rs. ka lalach bhi dya gaya aur inkaar ki soorat mein sangeen nataij bughatnay ki dhamki bhi di gai. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Chand rooz qabl Rooznama "Hayat" say aik mulaqaat ke dooran Matoofi Muhammad Iqbal nay kaha tha ke mulzimaan ne ussay dhamki di hai ke agar uss ne mulzimaan ke khilaaf Police ko kuch bataya to ussay Zehreela teeka lagwa kar halak kar diya jaye ga. Iss ke baad matoofi ko uss ke lawahiqeen nay Services Hospital mein dakhil kar dya tha." Daily Hayat, Daily Mashriq, Nawa-e-Waqt = 20-21 November 1977 Kasoori Scandal....Tablighi Jamat ka aik aur Qatal jis per kaafi hangama bhi howa tha. "Kasoor, 28 June, 1976; Maqami Police nay Kohat ke aik shakhs Sharbat Khan ko aik muammar namazi Haji Muhammad Khan ke qatl ke ilzaam mein giriftaar kar ke tehqeeqat shuru kar di hai. Bayan kya jata hai ke mulzim Sharbat Khan jo ke Zila Kohat ka rehnay wala hai aur Raiwind ki Tablighi Jamat ka rukn hai, woh Kot Haleem Khan ki Meenar Wali masjid mein namaz parh raha tha ke uss ne Haji Muhammad Khan say mazhabi masail per jab behes ki to ussay maqtool ke aqeeday aur apnay aqeeday ke mubayyana ikhtilaaf ki waja se sakht ranj pohancha. Jiss per uss nay ghussay mein aa kar Haji Muhammad Khan ko danday se peetna shuru kar dya jis ki wajeh se Haji Muhammad Khan shadeed zakhmi ho gaye. Uss ki sheekh-o-pukaar sun kar jab rahgeer Masjid mein aye to uss ko khoon mein latt patt paya jis per mulzim bhaagnay ki koshish ki lekin logo nay ussay pakar kar Police ke hawalay kar diya. Baad`izaa Haji Muhammad Khan nay zakhmo ki taab na latay howay hospital mein damm toor dya." (Rooznama Nawa-e-Waqt, 29 June, 1976) Jhaddo, 14 April, 1981 Police nay aik shaks Yar Muhammad Rind ko giraftar kya hai jis ne apni 2 biwiyo ko jala kar teesri ka gala ghoont kar halak kar dya kyu ke ussay un ke chaal challan per shakk tha. Tafseelat ke mutabiq Jumardad Canal se aik na`maloom khatoon ki laas aik bori mein band mili jis ke haath paao bandhay howay thay. Matoofia ki laash ko uss ke bhai ne shanakht kar lya. Mazeed tehqeeat ke baad maloom howa ke maqtoola ko uss ke shohar Yar Muhammad Rink ne qatal kya jo kahi maah tak Tablighi dooray per rehnay ke baad wapis howa tha. Bataya jata hai ke doray se wapisi per uss nay apni biwi per bad`chalni ka ilzaam aieed kya aur uss ka gala ghoont kar halak kar dya. Tehqeeqat ke doran ye bhi maloom howa ke mulzim ne iss se pehlay apni 2 biwiyo ko issi ilzaam ke tehat jala kar halaak kar dya tha, jab woh taweel tablighi dooray se wapis howa tha. (Rooznama Hurriyat, 14th April, 1981) Tablighi Jamat ki khud`saakhta shariat! "Peshawar, numainda Jung; Qabaili lashkar ne Bara mein 19 February ko munaqqid honay walay Tablighi Ijtimaa ke silsilay mein ye ailaan kya tha ke agar kisi bhi shakhs ne Tablighi Ijtima mein choori ko to uss ka ghar jala dya jaye ga, uss ke ilawa uss se 5 lakh rupay jurmana wasool kya jaye ga. Qabaili Lashkar ko jab Sipah-e-Qabeela ke aik Major ke baray mein ittila mili ke uss ne Tablighi Ijtima mein choori ki hai to lashkar ke musallah qabailiyo ne Major ke makaan ko aag laga kar jala dya." (Daily Jang, Lahore, 16 March, 1987) Chillay ka Kharcha; "Sargodha ke sanat kaar choudri Khalil ke ghar daka dalnay walay 3 mulziman ko uss waqt giraftaar kar lya jab mulzim Madni Masjid Sargodha mein Tablighi Jamat ke ijtima mein darss sun rahay thay. Mulzim Zahid, Saeed aur Rauf nay Police ko bataya ke woh Rehman Pura Sargodha se talluq rakhtay hain aur unho ne Tablighi Jamat waloo se wada kar rakha tha ke woh Tablighi Jamat mein shamil ho kar 40 rooz ka chilla poora karein gay aur chillay ke ikhrajaat pooray karnay ke liye ye pehli wardaat thi." (Daily Jang, Lahore, 7th July, 1986) Itna kafi hai ya aur kuch sunna hai? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peer2009 مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Jinab Anti- Bralvi bhayee saab. kiya hal hien aap ke. me bhi aap se yahe request kerna chahoon ga. ke please aap shant rahien. yakeen karo sub rahe raast per ajien ge. aap ne failsabad ka name suna ho ga na. yeh woh city he jahan per bralvi ke ghar kaha jata he jahan per inke molana sardar saab hoty thy. aru kayee ulima hien in ke jin ko yeh waliullah kehte thy . wohan per un ke hotty howi soodh ka karoobar zoron per tha . jhoot ka bazar garem rehta tha. dance stage cenima rajj ker hoty thy koye un ki fikker me nahi rehta tha. aru woh bahrte bharte kahan sekaha tak pahunch gaya. mera sawal in se he kiya kabhi koye mehnet ki gaye ager gaye to kis nahaj per ki gayee. ALLAH kush rakhe Molana tariz jamil sabb ko jin ki mehnet se faslabad ka sub se bara cenima gira aru madrassa bana. kaye tajir no sood se toba ki kayee log namaz per aye. ager yeh jurm he to humien yeh jurm kabool. bus akhri choot he jo lagni he. aap kaham khoa apni enrgy zyz nahi karein yahan koye sunne wla nahi he aru please aap in ki kissi bhi ulima ko bura na kahien . kisis ko bhi phir in me aur hum me kiya farek raha. humara yeh kame nahi he. yeh jo marzi kahien jesa kahien in ko tahnde dil se soch ker in ki islah kijye yeh he sunnet. aur isse per ammel kerna he . shukriya اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExposingNifaq مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 ALLAH kush rakhe Molana tariz jamil sabb ko jin ki mehnet se faslabad ka sub se bara cenima gira aru madrassa bana. kaye tajir no sood se toba ki kayee log namaz per aye. ager yeh jurm he to humien yeh jurm kabool. bus akhri choot he jo lagni he. aap kaham khoa apni enrgy zyz nahi karein yahan koye sunne wla nahi he Deo Peer...apnay daway ka saboot dain. Tariq Jameel agar apnay Kufr sai Toba ker laiy tu sunnion ko qabool ....Warna us kay Namaz Rozay aik Fraud hay....Gustakh e Rasool ka koi amaal qabool nahi hota....bas duniya mai jo jahilon tablighi wah wah ker rahi hain ....baas yai he Tariq Jameel ka Inaam hay . اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 ........ Peer2009! Tumharay jaisay be'sharam ko jawab dena bekaar hai. Agar kuch sharam hoti tu yaha waha post karne ke bajaye uss topic per baat kartay. Abhi tak woh topic mujhay nazar nahi aya. Kab tak burqa'poosh mujahid banay raho gay deobandari! اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Barelvi مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 21 فروری 2009 Jnab sybarite sahib! aap ki is posting me mujhe koi kaam ki baat nahi dikhai di………..aur rafta rafta mujhe yaqeen hota ja raha hai…….k aap ki khopri shareef me aql ki bjae bhoosa bhara howa hai…….! Zarb e Momin wala link mai pehle bhi open krne ki koshish krta raha hoo………aur ab bhi kia hai………lakin attached images bilkul b open nahi ho rahi hai…………plz dobara link formation krer ta ke mai Zarb e Momoin wale Eaterazaat daikh sakoo……….! Jaha tak “Deobandi ki Barsi” wale topic se bhagne ka taaluq hai…..to jnab mai bhaga bilkul nahi hoon…………Bl ke koshish meri hoti hai……..k Hr topic pe aap logo ki ghalat fehmi door ki jae…….Lehaza Tableeghi Jamaat wale topic pe nazar pari to isi hi me start ho gae……..Baharhal “Deobandi ki Barsi” wale topic pe mai pehle hi bohat kuch keh chukka hoo………..Lakin Disappointment hot hai us waqt jab aap log apne mouquf se aik inch bhi hanta pasand nahi farmate………To ab Behas Brae Behas ka faida………….?………Filhal to Tableeghi Jamat wale topic pe apni Concentration rakhna Sybrite Je……….! Hanafi wali baat pe mai baat krna pasand nahi kro ga……bcoz aap jitna bhi hanafi ki tarafdari kre……..Baharhal……..Hanafi ne bongi mari hai…….Aur kis ne keh dia aap ko k………..nice sharing means k…………yeh sirf Scan pages k sath makhsoos hai…….? Isi website pe na jane kitne forums pe aap k hi brelvi bhaio ne simple postings pe b aik dosre ko Nice Sharing likha howa hai……….Lehaza be par ki na uraya krain…….Bl ke maan lia krai……….! Mutlashi wali baat pe bhi aap ne fazool bakwaas ki hai……..aur is pe baat krna bhi Fazool hai…….! Jnab sybarite sahib………..aap zra apni munafqat khood hi mulahiza farma lain……….Start ki postings me to Munnah ne jo scan paish kia………..aur apni posting me aap kehte rahe k…………….Saudi Arab me Tableeghi jamaat ka Dakhla Mamnoo Hai. (Zra mulahiza hoo munnah ji ki posting……….) Theek…………? Aur jab aap ki Dhotio me Shikast o Raikht start hoi to……………aap aate aate is baat pe aa ge k…………waha pe choro ki tarah chupke chupke kaam kr rahi hai……………! Lanat hai aap ki aql pe bhi aur jahalat pe bhi………..Bhi jab oper aap ne likh dia hai………k……..Dakhla Momnno hai………to it means Tableeghi Jamaat is not allowed to enter in the Saudia Arabia!……..Theek……..! Phir aap kehte ho k je chori chupe kam krti hai………. Aur peer ji ki posting k reply me to aap bhi farmate hai k……..Fazael e Aamaal airport pe hi chheen li jati hai…………To matlab howa k Tableeghi Jamaat Saudi Arab pohnch to gae na………….??……..Agr Dakhla Mamnooh hota to Saudia me enter hi na hone dia jata……….! Lehaza fazool bakwaas aur apni taraf se jhoot bkne ki bilkul zrorat nahi……….Aur aap ne daikh lia k mai ne aap ki postings se hi aap ki munafqat sabit kr di……………….! Kia khayal hai Sybrite je Mazeed kuch kehne ko reh gea hai?…………..mera khayal to yehi hai………..k ab is topic pe mazeed baat krne ki koi zaroorat hi nahi rahi……….? Kyo k aap ka dawa ghalat sabit ho chukka hai………..aur forum topic bhi yehi tha k tableeghi jamat ka Dakhla Saudia me Mamnooh hai……..to jab is ka rad ho gea to………..Ab mazeed kuch kehne ki koi zaroorat to baqi na rahi…………! Khair aap k kuch eaterazaat k jawabaat rehte hai abhi………….! Israel wali baat pe aap kham khaw uchal kood kr rahe hai……..Mai pehle b keh chukka hoo k……..Allah ki raza isi me hai k Tableeghi jamaat k hisa me yeh sharaf aya k who waha pe Deen ki mehnat kr rahi hai………….OK…….? Acha mujhe aik baat ka jawab to do………! Bil farz Aaj agr Israel deeni jamato per se pabandi utha le to kia aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami ka Madni Tola waha pe Tableegh krne jae ga k nahi……………? I m waiting for ur Answer……….! Ghuma phira k jawab na daina…OK? Phir aap ne Raiwind ijtima pe zabardasti le jane ki baat ki………Baat darsal aqeeda ki hoti hai jnab……….Aap mujhe bta sakte hai k Kia aap b Ghaib ka Ilm jante hai jo dawa kr rahe hai…………k……maximum log zabardasti jate hai………..? Albata mai aise darjano Brelvio ko zror janta hoo jo k Pehli baar Raiwind ijtima pe ge to us k baad Pakke Sachhe tableeghi ban kr aur apni sabqa zindagi si toba taib ho kr wapis palte………! Kia kehte hai ab aap…………? Jnab kia aap dawa kr sakte hai……..k aap k Brelvi mazhab me jitney bhi brelvi hai…………who sub k sub Muttaqi…..Perhaizgar………Sood na khane wale………Sharab na peene wale…………aur Wali Ullah hai……? To jnab hr firqa me ……..hr mazhab me………..aur hr ilaqa me ache log bhi hote hai……….aur buray bhi………Lehaza Agr Who Pathan Sood ka karobaar krta hai………to us ka apna feal hai………Us se tableeghi jammat ko to badnaam na kre na aap………..! tableegh me bhi insaan hi hote hai……….farishte nahi……….bus baat itni hai k banda mahool se jura rahe aur Jab Allah qabool farma laite hai to Tareekh bhari pari hai un logo se jo k pehle Nami Garami Dako the……….Aur phir Allah k Wali bne…………! Theek hai na………….? Waqae Pathan ka feal intehae bura hai………lakin us k feal pe Jamaat ko qasoor war thehrana ghalat baat hai…..! Ab aisi kae baatain aap kiu Dawat E Ghiar Islami k brelvi molvio se mutalliq to meray Mushahida me bhi hai…….k jin ko sun’na aap pasand nahi farmae gain…….Lakin kia us ka matlab akhaz kr laina saheh ho ga k banda aisa hai ti jamaat bhi aisi ho gi……………? Kia kehte hai aap is bare mai……………….? Sharabio wale topic pe aap ki bokhlahat saaf dikhae de rahi hai………aur yeh bemari aap me nahi hr brelvi me bhi pae jati hai…….k apni ghalti tasleem nahi krte……….kisi ko b bula k poch le k aap ki posting se un se nafrat zahir hai k……….un k gunaho se………….! Zahri si baat hai………k……..Insaan ko dosre k gunaho se h nafrat krna chahye……..mgr aap ne gunaho ki bjae un logo se nafrat zahir ki……..! acha aap itna bhi to keh sakte the k Gunah gar log…….! Lakin aap ne khasosiat se zoor de k un ko Sharabi Aur Chichoray kaha……Agr aap ki khopri me Bhosa bhara hai…….to kisi aur se faisla krwa lain……..Apni Sharmindagi pe jhoot k parde na dale jnab……………! Phir aap kehte hai: agar aap ke paas 2 mullo ke sath 3 sharabi Islam ki dawat dene aien gay tu general banday ke dil mein yehi baat aye gi ke khud ye sharabi hain aur humein deen sikhanay aye hain. To jnab kia aap ko Dawat e Ghair Islami ne itna bhi nahi sikhaya k: “Yeh na daikho k baat krne wala koon hai……..bl ke………..yeh daikho k……….Baat kis ki ki ja rahi hai……………” Yeh to Tableegh k owwaleen asoolo me se hai jnab……..aur heart hai k aap is se la-ilm hai………! Pas zahir howa k aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami kuch sikhati waghira nahi hai…….aur bus Halwo aur Sair Sapato pe zor rakhti hai………..! Aap ko aik hadees suna daita hoo jis ka mafhoom hai k aik shakhs k bare me AAP (S.A.W) se arz ki gea k who shakhs Fala Gunah bhi krta hai aur Namaz bhi parhta hai……to AAP(S.A.W) ne farmaya k Anqareeb us ki namaz us ko who Gunnah krne se rook de gi. Kuch palle para aql me Sybrite je……………? Aap sirf itna q daikhte ho k who sharabi hai………….? Theek hai k who aik gunah me mubtila hai lakin ho skta hai k aik din us k dil me baat aa jae k mai logo ko dawat bhi daita hoo aur ghalat Kaam bhi krta hoo……..aur phir who gunah chor de………..Aur Sach keh raha hoo….k isi tarah Tablegh krte howe na jane kitno ne apne Gunaho se Toba ki hai………….! Aur jnab aakhir me aakhbari ittalaat daine ka shukria! Mai pehle hi bta chukka hoo k jaha achay log mojood hote hai…..waha pe buray log bhimojod hote hai………..Maslan….Hamaray City k Gird o nawah me akhsar Dehaat me Brelvio ki kasrat hai……..aur un ki kafi masjidain aur mudrassay hai………aur ae din……..is tarah ki khabrain hum ko bhi milti rehti hai aur akhbaraat me bhi publish hoti rehti hai……..k……Fala Molvi sahib ne Daras k lea aane wale no-umar bache se…………………kr dali..! Khali jagah ka matlab sub hi jante hai……….aur believe me un me se aksar to Multaan Shareef k ijtima bhi Zooq Shooq se jate the……..! Kia kehte hai aap……………..? Mai to itna hi kaho ga k……………….Baqoal e Shaer: Lo aap apne daam me sayyad aa gea………! Ab zra jate jate mujhe bhi kuch bato k jawabaat daina Sybrite jee! 1.) Waise to aap Brelvi loog sub Saudi Muftio ko “ Wahabio” ka alqabaat se yad krte ho aur un ki Kitabo aur un k kahe howe pr zra brabar bhi yaqeen nahi krte ho……………..Lakin yeh kia munafqat aap me aik dam palat ae………k……….un ho ne Tableegh pe pabandi ki Jhooti baat kahi…..aur aap ne fat se us ko na sirf darust tasleem kr lia……..bl ke us pe Aameen kehte howe us pe aankhain band kr k Trust bhi kr lia……….? 2.) Tableeghi jamat k hawala pe to mai ne aap ko dandaan shikan jawabaat de dia hai………..ab zra mujh ko aik bat ka sheh saheh jawab to daian……………. Suna bhi hai aur Sainkro logo ki observation bhi hai k aap Brelvi hazraat ko Masjid e Nabvi me Rooza e Pak k nazdeek bhi phatakne nahi dai jata k aap log waha pe bhi bid’daat start kr daite ho…………aur to aur waha pe Adab se rehne ki bjae shor o ghul machete ho……………..(Astaghfiruulah)….! To jnab kaha jata hai aap logo me who Hub e Rasool (S.A.W) Aur Adab e Rasool (S.A.W) Jub aap log Qabr e Athar pe hazir hone ki koshish krte ho……….? Aap ne who farmaan e Elahi to suna hai na k Jin ki awaz Nabi (S.A.W) Ki awaz se buland ho jae to us k sub aamaal tabah o barbaad ho jate hai………….! Kia kehte hain is bare me bhi jnab…………? Aur waise suna hai k Un Gustakh Brelvio ko Waha pe Shurto k hatho khoob maar bhi parti rehti hai…………..! Bohat khoob mere Mola! Munafiqo ko dunya me bhi maar aur aakhrat me bhi maar……………! اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Ab tu iss Ant-Barelvi per reham aa raha hai. Sari deobandiyatt inn ke pyjamay ke raastay beh chuki hai phir bhi shoor zaroor machana hai inhay. Typical deobandari be'ghairati ka muzahira kartay huway jis ka baat ka jawab nahi hota uss per keh dete hain ke "Mein iss per baat nahi karo"! Deoabandariyo mein ghairat'mando ka bohut hi ghambeer fuqdaan hai. Waisay deobandariyo ki ye strategy bhi purani nahi ke behes baray behes kiye jao, bakwaas pe bakwaas kiye jaye tu samnay wala kabhi tu thakay ga, tu miya jee idher Sunni hai! Bayt'ul'khala, matlab deoband pohancha kar hi dum lein gay! ='Feb 22 2009, 12:06 AM' post='46789']Jnab sybarite sahib! aap ki is posting me mujhe koi kaam ki baat nahi dikhai di………..aur rafta rafta mujhe yaqeen hota ja raha hai…….k aap ki khopri shareef me aql ki bjae bhoosa bhara howa hai…….! Zahir hai jin baato ka aap ke paas jawab nahi woh aap ke kaam ki kaisay ho sakti hai. Aap ke saath tu rafta rafta bohut kuch ho raha hai jis ka tamasha poora forum dekh raha hai. Aiye aap ke bandar'tamashay ki mazeed numaish karo. Zarb e Momin wala link mai pehle bhi open krne ki koshish krta raha hoo………aur ab bhi kia hai………lakin attached images bilkul b open nahi ho rahi hai…..Baharhal “Deobandi ki Barsi” wale topic pe mai pehle hi bohat kuch keh chukka hoo………..Lakin Disappointment hot hai us waqt jab aap log apne mouquf se aik inch bhi hanta pasand nahi farmate………To ab Behas Brae Behas ka faida………….?………Filhal to Tableeghi Jamat wale topic pe apni Concentration rakhna Sybrite Je……….! Zarb-e-Momin walay topic per doosray members already post kar chukay tu matlab unhay attachement dikhai de rahi hai. So its not our problem, check your browser settings or clear your cache and try again. Deobandi ki Barsi walay topic per tu aap ki bolti band ho gai jab aap ke munh per doosra hawala mara gaya.Hatta ke asal topic se bhaagnay ke liye "Radi Allahu Anhu" ke istimaal ke issue ko utha per bhi aap ko zaleel hona para kyu ke uss ka bhi jawab aap kya aap ki poori nasal ke paas nahi. Waisay pehlay bhi keh chuka hun ke deobandariyo ka iss tarah baat ko adhoora chor kar bhag jana koi new baat nahi! Aik nahi saikroo topics gawah hain iss baat ke jaha se aap ke deobandari dumm daba kar bhaag chukay hain. Aur dont worry janab! Iss topic per poori concentration hai bus aap zara himmat kar ke baatoo ke jawab tu dijiye. Her doosri baat per zananiyo ki tarah munh chupaye keh dete hain ke "mein iss per baat nahi karo ga"! Atleast ghairat'mand banne ki koshish hi kar lijiye! Hanafi wali baat pe mai baat krna pasand nahi kro ga……bcoz aap jitna bhi hanafi ki tarafdari kre……..Baharhal……..Hanafi ne bongi mari hai…….Aur kis ne keh dia aap ko k………..nice sharing means k…………yeh sirf Scan pages k sath makhsoos hai…….? Isi website pe na jane kitne forums pe aap k hi brelvi bhaio ne simple postings pe b aik dosre ko Nice Sharing likha howa hai……….Lehaza be par ki na uraya krain…….Bl ke maan lia krai……….! See! phir aap ne typical deobandari burqa'posh mujahid wali harkat kar di. Aray miya baat nahi karni thi tu phir shuru hi kyu ki? Aur ab shuru kar hi di hai tu phir bhaagna kaisa? Bara uchal uchal kar aap ne apna be'tukka aiteraaz paish kiya tha, aur ab jab sarr per aiteraaz ka jawab aafat ban kar aa para hai tu roonay per utar aye! Martay huway kuttay ke bilbilanay ke se andaaz mein aap kehtay hain ke nice sharing sirf attachements ya scans wali post nahi hoti! Bilkul sahi kaha aap ne. Koi zaroori nahi ke sirf attachements ya scans wali post ke reply mein aisa kaha jaye, lekin mein ye baat generally nahi balkay poori post ko samnay rakhtay huway kahi thi. Hanafi Muslimah ki "wahbiyoon ki shar se bachnay" ki dua se tu pehlay hi maloom ho jata hai ke unho ne aap ki post per reply nahi kya, tu phir ye post general rule se nikal specific ho gai ke haa reply karne wala deobandari wahabi nahi hai so obviously reply kisi sunni ki post per hi hoga. Ab aiye aap ko aap ke bawlay deobandari bhai Peer2009 ka haal dhikao! http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...ic=6773&hl= Iss topic per kuch bolna tu aap ke buss ki baat hi nahi iss liye sirf post #4 & #5 dekhiye. Post #4 hai Ghulam-e-Mustafa bhai ki; Sybarite bhai buhat acha answer diya. Iss ke forum baad post #5 hai aap ke bawlay Peer2009 ki! JAZAKALLAH bahut achi sahring ALLAH ap ko jazye kheir ata fermaye amin Ab aap ke hisaab se hai iss bawlay Peer2009 ne JazakAllah Ghulam-e-Mustafa ki post kaha? Jo khud meri post per JazakAllah keh rahay hain! Kyu tamasaha banwaya per tullay ho miya! Khuda ki kasm iss waqt hansi aa rahi hai deobandiyatt per mujhay! Iss waqt tu Iblees bhi tumhari halat dekh kar roo raha hoga! Haye mere masoom bachay, haye mere masoom bachay kuch tu seekh lete mujh se Ibn'Abu Jehl!! Mutlashi wali baat pe bhi aap ne fazool bakwaas ki hai…aur is pe baat krna bhi Fazool hai! Zahir hai! Aap ke paas jawab nahi tu baat karna fuzool hi hoga. Mein ne tu seedha sa sawal poocha tha ke Mutalashi ke maani sirf haq ka mutalaashi hi kyu liye jaye? Iss seedhay se sawal ke jawab mein bhi aap ki bolti band. Waisay kafi baar keh chuke aap ke fala ne ye bongi maari, fala ne woh bongi mari, apni iss bongi per pakar huwi hai tu sannatay mein kyu aa gaye? Jnab sybarite sahib………..aap zra apni munafqat khood hi mulahiza farma lain……….Start ki postings me to Munnah ne jo scan paish kia………..aur apni posting me aap kehte rahe k…………….Saudi Arab me Tableeghi jamaat ka Dakhla Mamnoo Hai. (Zra mulahiza hoo munnah ji ki posting……….) Theek…………? Aur jab aap ki Dhotio me Shikast o Raikht start hoi to……………aap aate aate is baat pe aa ge k…………waha pe choro ki tarah chupke chupke kaam kr rahi hai……………! Mera mouqiff ab bhi yehi hai baat sirf itni si hai ke aap ki aqal deobandari mufto ki haram'khoori ki wajeh se paida hone wali toond ki tarah hai, yaani ke mooti! Mein ab bhi yehi kehta hun ke Saudi Arabia mein officially Tablighi Jamat ban hai. Aur choro ki tarah chup chup kar kaam kar rahi hai, balkay iss ka iqraar khud aap ke bhai Peer2009 ne apni post mein kya. Awwal tu ye samajh lijiye ke mein keh kya raha hon. Saudi Arabia mein officially Tablighi Jamat ban hai, matlab ke government ki taraf se. Jaisa ke Pakistan ki government ki taraf se Qadiani/Ahmedi ban hain. Ab rahi baat Tablighi Jamat ke waha chooro ki tarah kaam karne ki, ya waha pohanch janay ki, tu mein pehlay bhi pooch chuka ab bhi pooch raha hun ke kya Pakistan mein Qadiani/Ahmedi marakiz nahi hain? Qadiani/Ahmedi per ban hone ke ba'wajood unn ke marakiz qaim hain kyu ke woh chupp chupa ke apni organizations chalatay hain iss liye baaz auqaat pakar mein nahi aatay aur baaz auqaat humari government hi sust rehti hai. Lanat hai aap ki aql pe bhi aur jahalat pe bhi………..Bhi jab oper aap ne likh dia hai………k……..Dakhla Momnno hai………to it means Tableeghi Jamaat is not allowed to enter in the Saudia Arabia!……..Theek……..! Phir aap kehte ho k je chori chupe kam krti hai………. Yehi tu seedhi si baat aap ki mooti si aqal mein nahi aa rahi. Waisay aa tu shayad gai baat samajh mein lekin manay gay nahi aap kyu ke phir iss topic se bhi bhaagna parr jaye ga! Makkah Mukarrama mein ghair'muslimo ka dakhila mana hai ye tu mantay hain na? Iss ke ba'wajood Richard Francis Burton Makkah-o-Madina mein ghuss bhi gaya, hajj ke ayam mein waha raha bhi hatta ke poori book likh di "A Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina". Aur ye ikloota bhi nahi, aur bhi kaafi non-muslims chori'chupay ghuss chukay hain Makka Mukarrama mein. Ab kya aap ye kahein gay ke Saudi Government ki taraf se non-mulims per pabandi nahi? Aur peer ji ki posting k reply me to aap bhi farmate hai k……..Fazael e Aamaal airport pe hi chheen li jati hai…………To matlab howa k Tableeghi Jamaat Saudi Arab pohnch to gae na………….??……..Agr Dakhla Mamnooh hota to Saudia me enter hi na hone dia jata……….! Lehaza fazool bakwaas aur apni taraf se jhoot bkne ki bilkul zrorat nahi……….Aur aap ne daikh lia k mai ne aap ki postings se hi aap ki munafqat sabit kr di……………….! Tuff hai aisi koorh'maghzi per! Deobandariyo ko kahi afeem tu nahi khilai jati jo kha kha kar dimaagh aisa maouff ho gaya aap ka? Makka Mukarrama mein non-muslims ka dakhila mana hai, ab agar koi non-muslim choori'chupay ghusnay ki koshish mein airport per ya Makkah ke shehar mein pakra jata hai tu aap is se ye sabit karien gay ke non-muslims per pa'bandi hai hi nahi? Be logical for once in your pathetic life! Miya jee agar himmat hai tu jo fatawa aur official statements dikhaye hain unn per baat karo! Apnay Peer2009 ki statement per baat karo! Khud tumhara deobandari bhai iqraar kar chuka ke waha tumhari tablighi jamat openly kaam nahi karti! Agar koi pabandi nahi tu phir kyu openly kaam nahi karti iss ka tu jawab de do! Pehlay safai de rahay thay ke kisi aik mufti ne fatwa de diya tu kya hota hai, uss ke jawab mein Saudia ke Grand Mufti Khabees Bin Baz ke fatway ka zikr kya tu bolti band ho gai. Kia khayal hai Sybrite je Mazeed kuch kehne ko reh gea hai? mera khayal to yehi hai k ab is topic pe mazeed baat krne ki koi zaroorat hi nahi rahi? Kyo k aap ka dawa ghalat sabit ho chukka hai…aur forum topic bhi yehi tha k tableeghi jamat ka Dakhla Saudia me Mamnooh hai.to jab is ka rad ho gea to..Ab mazeed kuch kehne ki koi zaroorat to baqi na rahi! Kyu nikal gai aap ke ghubaroo se hawa? Mera dawa ghalat sabit karne ki baat tu rehne hi dein filhaal tu aap ki bakwaas se maloom hota hai ke aap ko abhi tak samajh hi nahi aya ke dawa hai kya! Pehlay thora dimaagh ki batti jala kar samajhiye ke dawa hai kya phir iss ka radd karne ki nakaam koshish kijiye ga. Humara dawa ab bhi yehi hai ke Tablighi Jamat per Saudi Arabia mein government ki taraf se pa'bandi hai. Tablighi Jamat agar waha jaati hai tu apni asliyatt chupa kar, common muslim ban kar jaati hai. Agar Tablighi Jamat per pabandi nahi hoti tu rooz Haram mein koi na koi Tablighi 20-25 bawlay jama kiye khara Fazail-e-Aamal parh raha hota! Lekin aisa nahi hota aur khud iss topic per Peer2009 deobandari ne aiteraaf kiya ke Tablighi Jamat waha openly kaam nahi karti. Tu saaf zahir hai ke agar pabandi nahi hoti tu kaam openly ho raha hota jaisay Indo-Pak mein hota hai. Agar aap ne humaray daway ka radd karna hai tu Saudi Government ya un ke Grand Mufti ka fatwa paish kar dijiye, phir aap ki baat ki koi tukk bhi bane gi. Otherwise agar aap ko apna aur tamasha banwana hai tu koi masla nahi. Israel wali baat pe aap kham khaw uchal kood kr rahe hai……..Mai pehle b keh chukka hoo k……..Allah ki raza isi me hai k Tableeghi jamaat k hisa me yeh sharaf aya k who waha pe Deen ki mehnat kr rahi hai………….OK…….? Acha mujhe aik baat ka jawab to do………! Bil farz Aaj agr Israel deeni jamato per se pabandi utha le to kia aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami ka Madni Tola waha pe Tableegh krne jae ga k nahi……………? I m waiting for ur Answer……….! Ghuma phira k jawab na daina…OK? Be'sharmi ki bhi hadd hoti ya janab! Kuch tu ghairat kijiye! Mein ne ap ko Palestinian delegation ke leader Abdul Mahdi ka hawala qoute kar diya! Palestinian muslims tak Tablighi Jamaat ki mazammat kartay hain. Mujh se sawal karne se pehlay thori ghairat paida kar ke mere sawalaat ka bhi jawab de dete. Yahoodi Palestine mein Muslims auratoo aur bacho tak ko be'rehmi se maar raha hai jis ki gawah sari dunya hai. Lekin Tablighi Jamat walo ko khulli azaadi de rakhi hai, aakhir aisa kyu? Aap ki asaani ke liye number'waar sawal likh deta hun, mumkin hai iss baar ghairat aa jaye. 1. Israel muslims ke itnay khilaaf hai ke Palestinian Muslim bacho tak ko maar raha hai, Palestinian Muslims ke gharo per bombardment kar raha hai lekin Tablighi Jamaat ko Islam ka kaam karne ki ijazat de rakhi hai, un ko 1-2 nahi 24 Centres khoolnay ki ijazat kyu de rakhi hai? 2. Israel mein mojoud Tablighi Jamat baqi dunya ke Musalmaano ki tarah Israel ke muzaalim per Israel ke khilaaf ihtijaaj kyu nahi karti? Kyu Israel ko apna baap samajh kar uss ki good mein khamoosh bethi Musalmaano ko be'dardi se marta dekh rahi hai? Aap ke rhetorical sawal ka jawab dena zaroori nahi. Aap ka tu sawal hi "bil'farz" per mabni hai! Pehlay haqaiq se tu nipat lijiye phir khayalaati sawalaat per aiye ga! Ab dekhtay hain ke aap iss ka jawab dete hain ya phir "mein iss per baat nahi karo ga" keh kar dum dabba kar bhaagtay hain. Phir aap ne Raiwind ijtima pe zabardasti le jane ki baat ki………Baat darsal aqeeda ki hoti hai jnab……….Aap mujhe bta sakte hai k Kia aap b Ghaib ka Ilm jante hai jo dawa kr rahe hai…………k……maximum log zabardasti jate hai………..? Albata mai aise darjano Brelvio ko zror janta hoo jo k Pehli baar Raiwind ijtima pe ge to us k baad Pakke Sachhe tableeghi ban kr aur apni sabqa zindagi si toba taib ho kr wapis palte………! Kia kehte hai ab aap…………? Mein tu pehlay hi keh chuka ke ye baatein mere zaati mushahiday per hain. Jis tarah aap keh rahay hain ke aap aisay darjano Barelwiyo ko jantay hain tu janab mein bhi aisay darjano deobandariyo ko janta hun jo seh'roza chillay ke liye bezaari se tayyar hotay hain aur phir ye sooch kar ke "chalo tour hi lag jaye ga" chalay bhi jatay hain. Jnab kia aap dawa kr sakte hai……..k aap k Brelvi mazhab me jitney bhi brelvi hai…………who sub k sub Muttaqi…..Perhaizgar………Sood na khane wale………Sharab na peene wale…………aur Wali Ullah hai……? To jnab hr firqa me ……..hr mazhab me………..aur hr ilaqa me ache log bhi hote hai……….aur buray bhi………Lehaza Agr Who Pathan Sood ka karobaar krta hai………to us ka apna feal hai………Us se tableeghi jammat ko to badnaam na kre na aap………..! tableegh me bhi insaan hi hote hai……….farishte nahi……….bus baat itni hai k banda mahool se jura rahe aur Jab Allah qabool farma laite hai to Tareekh bhari pari hai un logo se jo k pehle Nami Garami Dako the……….Aur phir Allah k Wali bne…………! Theek hai na………….? Waqae Pathan ka feal intehae bura hai………lakin us k feal pe Jamaat ko qasoor war thehrana ghalat baat hai…..! Ab aisi kae baatain aap kiu Dawat E Ghiar Islami k brelvi molvio se mutalliq to meray Mushahida me bhi hai…….k jin ko sun’na aap pasand nahi farmae gain…….Lakin kia us ka matlab akhaz kr laina saheh ho ga k banda aisa hai ti jamaat bhi aisi ho gi……………? Kia kehte hai aap is bare mai……………….? Miya jee! Achay buray her jamaat mein hotay hain, iss se mujhay inkaar nahi. Dawat-e-Islami mein bhi aisay guneh'gaar loog hongay aur hongay kya mein khud guneh'gaar aadmi hun! Lekin Dawat-e-Islami mein aisay loog deen ki dawat de kar, muballigh ban kar logo per ghalat impact nahi daaltay. Pehlay bhi keh chuka ke Dawat-e-Islami aisay logo ki islaah karti hai, na ke aisay logo se islaah karwa kar apna mazaak banwati hai. Sharabi, zaani ya kaisa bhi gunehgaar ho, uss ki islaah zaroor ki jaye magar uss ko "muballigh" banana be'waqoofi aur ye be'waqoofi Tablighiyo mein aksar dekhnay ko milti hai. Aap uss sood'khoor pathan ki baat kartay hain tu miya jee uss halqay ke Ameer sahab bhi uss pathan se aur uss ke zariya-e-ma'ash se achi taraf waqif hain. Unn ka tu farz banta tha ke apni jamaat ke logo ko uss haram khanay se bachaye lekin un ki tu ye halat thi ke sab kuch hotay huway bhi farma rahay thay ke "doodh walay naan hotay tu kya baat thi". Mahool se jura rehne wali baat aap ne theek kahi lekin mahool se jura rehnay ka matlab ye ke aisay gunehgaaro ko achi suhbat ki tarah laya jaye, na ke unhay gashti toolay ka hissa bana kar, 4 larko per chapa maar kar uss gunehgaar se talqeen karwai jaye! Mera aiteraaz guneh'gaar ko dawat dene per nahi, guneh'gaar se dawat dilawanay per hai! Aap kehtay hain ke tareekh bhari pari hai ke nami'girami dako Allah ke wali ban gaye tu ye bataiye ke kya woh naami'girami daako, daako hotay huway tabligh kartay thay ya jab khud sudhar kar Allah ki Wali ya naik musalman ban gaye tab tabligh kartay thay? Sharabio wale topic pe aap ki bokhlahat saaf dikhae de rahi hai………aur yeh bemari aap me nahi hr brelvi me bhi pae jati hai…….k apni ghalti tasleem nahi krte……….kisi ko b bula k poch le k aap ki posting se un se nafrat zahir hai k……….un k gunaho se………….! Zahri si baat hai………k……..Insaan ko dosre k gunaho se h nafrat krna chahye……..mgr aap ne gunaho ki bjae un logo se nafrat zahir ki……..! acha aap itna bhi to keh sakte the k Gunah gar log…….! Lakin aap ne khasosiat se zoor de k un ko Sharabi Aur Chichoray kaha……Agr aap ki khopri me Bhosa bhara hai…….to kisi aur se faisla krwa lain……..Apni Sharmindagi pe jhoot k parde na dale jnab……………! Uss post mein mere dil mein kis cheez ke liye nafrat hai ye Allah aur uss ke Rasool khoob jantay hain iss liye aap ko saboot dene ki koi zaroorat nahi. Haa aap agar sabit kar saktay hain explicitly ke woh nafrat guneh'gaar se thi na ke uss ke gunaho se tu facts ke saath prove kijiye na ke apni zaati raye ko hujjat bana kar usay saboot ki shikal de kar mujh per ilzaam'tarashi karein. Rahi baat unhay sharabi aur chichoora kehne per tu miya jee mein sirf itna kaho ga ke atleart try to get the context! Aap ko agar kisi bayan ke qareenay ko samajhnay ki aqal nahi tu iss mein mera kya kasoor? To jnab kia aap ko Dawat e Ghair Islami ne itna bhi nahi sikhaya k: “Yeh na daikho k baat krne wala koon hai……..bl ke………..yeh daikho k……….Baat kis ki ki ja rahi hai……………” Yeh to Tableegh k owwaleen asoolo me se hai jnab……..aur heart hai k aap is se la-ilm hai………! Pas zahir howa k aap ki Dawat e Ghair Islami kuch sikhati waghira nahi hai…….aur bus Halwo aur Sair Sapato pe zor rakhti hai………..! Tabligh ka awwaleen usool! Hazrat ab jaldi se iss usool ki asal bata dijiye. Matlab ye usool shariat mein kaha hai reference de bata dijiye. Aap tablighi ka motto hai ke "ye tu Nabiyo wala kaam hai" tu ab ye bataiye ke aap ke nazdeek kitnay Anbiya MaazAllah gunehgaar thay? Bhaagiye ga matt ab! Aap ne dawa kya hai ke ye Tabligh ke awwaleen usoolo mein se hai tu ab iss daway ko sabit karne ke liye iss usool ka reference dijiye warna Tablighi Jamat kin usoolo aur nazriyaat per bani iss ka bayan jald hi anay wala hai. Aap ko aik hadees suna daita hoo jis ka mafhoom hai k aik shakhs k bare me AAP (S.A.W) se arz ki gea k who shakhs Fala Gunah bhi krta hai aur Namaz bhi parhta hai……to AAP(S.A.W) ne farmaya k Anqareeb us ki namaz us ko who Gunnah krne se rook de gi. Kuch palle para aql me Sybrite je……………? Ab mein uss jahil se kya baat karo jisay mubahisay mein hadith quote karne ki bhi tameez nahi! "Hadith ka mafhoom hai" keh kar hi tu dunya ko be'waqoof banatay hain aap ke Tablighi! Agar ghairat hoti tu pehlay khud tehqeeq kar ke iss hadith ka reference dhoond kar check kartay. Lekin nahi! Aap ne apnay mullay ke munh se suna aur agay bayan kar diya! Ye hai aap ki Tablighi Jamat ki asliyat! Ab mujhay ye bhi andaza hai ke aap ye roona machaye gay ke dekho hadith ko ghalat keh raha hai! Tu iss ka paishgi jawab ye hai ke mein ne hadith ko ghalat nahi kaha, hadith quote karne ke andaaz ko ghalat kaha hai. Agar aap ki tehqeeq nahi tu phir iss tarah hadith ka mafhoom apni naqis aqal se bayan karna jahalat hai! Chaliye aap aik kaam kijiye. Quran, Hadith, Aqwaal-e-Aimma kahi se bhi koi aik reference paish kar dijiye ke aisay guneh'gaaro ki jamat bana kar Tabligh ki gai ho. Aap ki ye Tablighi Jamat kehtay nahi thakti ke ye tu Nabiyo wala kaam hai lekin aaj tak koi aik hawala nahi diya gaya ke kabhi Huzoor ne bhi iss tarah ke logo ki jamat bana kar tabligh ki ho. Na chillay lagaye na seh'rozay! Tu aakhir ye tareeqa kis ka hai? (Iss tareeqay ki asliyatt jald hi post karo ga, compose kar raha hun filhaal tu is liye thora waqt lagay ga.) Aap sirf itna q daikhte ho k who sharabi hai………….? Theek hai k who aik gunah me mubtila hai lakin ho skta hai k aik din us k dil me baat aa jae k mai logo ko dawat bhi daita hoo aur ghalat Kaam bhi krta hoo……..aur phir who gunah chor de………..Aur Sach keh raha hoo….k isi tarah Tablegh krte howe na jane kitno ne apne Gunaho se Toba ki hai………….! Baar baar keh chuka aur dobara keh raha hon ke Sharabi gunehgaar Allah ki ataa se sudhar sakta hai, iss mein koi shakk nahi. Aisay guneh'gaaro ki islaah ki koshish zaroor karni chahiye magar unhay muballigh bana kar paish karna kaha se sabit hai? Aur jnab aakhir me aakhbari ittalaat daine ka shukria! Mai pehle hi bta chukka hoo k jaha achay log mojood hote hai…..waha pe buray log bhimojod hote hai………..Maslan….Hamaray City k Gird o nawah me akhsar Dehaat me Brelvio ki kasrat hai aur un ki kafi masjidain aur mudrassay hai aur ae din .is tarah ki khabrain hum ko bhi milti rehti hai aur akhbaraat me bhi publish hoti rehti hai k Fala Molvi sahib ne Daras k lea aane wale no-umar bache se kr dali..! Khali jagah ka matlab sub hi jante hai……….aur believe me un me se aksar to Multaan Shareef k ijtima bhi Zooq Shooq se jate the……..! Aisi khabrien aap parhtay hain tu unn ka saboot bhi paish kar dein janab! Warna zyada'tar tu aisay waqiyat mein Deobandari madrasso ka hi naam aata hai. Garden East ki deobandi masjid "Masjid-e-Da'a" ka Imam pakka lawati hai! Iss per agar aap chahien tu mein mubahila karne ko raazi hun! Aap ke deobandariyo ke mullo ke lawatat ki qissay tu khud aap ki deobandari kitaabo tak mein chapp chukay hain! Aap ke "Qutb-e-Rabbani" aur uss ke "Rafeeq-e-Jaani" ka "Chaarpai Qissa" phir se sunanay ki zaroorat nahi. 1.) Waise to aap Brelvi loog sub Saudi Muftio ko “ Wahabio” ka alqabaat se yad krte ho aur un ki Kitabo aur un k kahe howe pr zra brabar bhi yaqeen nahi krte ho. Lakin yeh kia munafqat aap me aik dam palat ae k un ho ne Tableegh pe pabandi ki Jhooti baat kahi…..aur aap ne fat se us ko na sirf darust tasleem kr lia ..bl ke us pe Aameen kehte howe us pe aankhain band kr k Trust bhi kr lia……….? Be'shakk hum unke aqaid ko ghalat kehtay hain aur khull kar kehtay hain, na ke aap deobadnariyo ki tarah aik jageh un ke aqaid ko umda kahein aur doosri jageh unhay lanat malamat karein. Rahi baat Deobandariyo per pabandi tu kya ye aqaid ke zumray mein aati hai? Humara dawa hai ke unho ne pabandi lagai, ab iss ka unn ke aqaid se kya lena dena? Waisay aap ki bhi ajeeb-o-ghareeb mantak hai. Agar kal ko Shia kahay ke Allah aik hai tu kya aap ye baat bhi iss liye tasleem nahi karein gay ke Shia ne kaha hai? Aur iss mein jhoot honay ki tu koi baat hi nahi, unn ke Grand Mufti ka fatwa mojoud hai agar aap isay jhoot sabit karna chahtay hain tu uss fatway ko jhoota sabit kar dein. Pabandi ya Fatwa sahi lagaya ke nahi iss per behes nahi, filhaal behes iss per hai ke pabandi ya fatwa aya ke nahi. Hum ne sabit kar diya ke fatwa bhi aya aur aya bhi Grand Mufti ki taraf se. Aap is ke khilaaf sabit kar dein agar aap ke bus mein hai tu. 2.) Tableeghi jamat k hawala pe to mai ne aap ko dandaan shikan jawabaat de dia hai………..ab zra mujh ko aik bat ka sheh saheh jawab to daian……………. Suna bhi hai aur Sainkro logo ki observation bhi hai k aap Brelvi hazraat ko Masjid e Nabvi me Rooza e Pak k nazdeek bhi phatakne nahi dai jata k aap log waha pe bhi bid’daat start kr daite ho…………aur to aur waha pe Adab se rehne ki bjae shor o ghul machete ho……………..(Astaghfiruulah)….! To jnab kaha jata hai aap logo me who Hub e Rasool (S.A.W) Aur Adab e Rasool (S.A.W) Jub aap log Qabr e Athar pe hazir hone ki koshish krte ho……….? Aap ne who farmaan e Elahi to suna hai na k Jin ki awaz Nabi (S.A.W) Ki awaz se buland ho jae to us k sub aamaal tabah o barbaad ho jate hai………….! Kia kehte hain is bare me bhi jnab…………? Aur waise suna hai k Un Gustakh Brelvio ko Waha pe Shurto k hatho khoob maar bhi parti rehti hai…………..! Rooza-e-Athar per hazri dena aur waha adab se Salam paish karne ko tu Wahabi Hokumat shirk qarar deti hai. Iss aqiday per baat karni hai ke waha kaun se kaam biddat hain aur kaun se nahi tu iss per aap shouq se alehda topic start kar ke bata dijiye ke waha kaun kaun se kaam bidat hain, aap ko uss ka jawab mil jaye ga. Rahi baat waha jo loog shoor-o-ghull machatay hain tu miya jee woh chahay koi bhi ho, chahay khud ko Barelwi kehnay wala, chahay deobandari, chahay wahabi! Agar Darbar-e-Nawabi ke ihteraam ko malhooz nahi rakhta tu be'shakk gustaakh hai. Jo bhi karta hai ghalat karta, iss per agar aap ko fatwa lena ho tu Darul Ifta se rujoo kar saktay hain. Aamaal ki zimay'daari jamat per lago nahi hoti. Haa agar aap sabit kar dein ke waha shor-o-ghull machana humaray aqaid mein se hai ya humaray ulema iss per amal ya iss ki talqeen kartay hain tu aap ka aiteraaz samajh aata hai. Warna tu aap deobandariyo ka akhbaar mein chapa fatwa hai ke movie banwanay walay Imam ke peechay namaz nahi hoti, aur Imam-e-Ka'aba ki movie daily hi banti hai aur saray deobandari ussi Imam ke peechay namaz bhi parhtay hain. Iss per kya kahein gay aap? Shoorto se pitai agar iss baat per ho ke Rooza-e-Rasool per Salam arz karne ke liye adab se kyu kharay ho tu aisi pitai tu humein piyaari hain. Shoortay Rooza-e-Athar per adab se haath baand kar kharay rehnay ko bhi shirk maantay hain, aap kya mantay hain isay? Ab agar Rooza-e-Nabawi per adab se haath bandhnay per pitai ho tu Tazeem-e-Rasool ke liye aisi pitai per humein fakhar hai. I think itna hi kaafi hai. Baqi jawabaat ki tu mujhay umeed nahi. Har baar ki tarah iss baar bhi aap jis baat ka jawab dene se qaasir hon gay uss per ye keh kar faraar ho jaye gay ke "iss per mujhay baat nahi karni". اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peer2009 مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 saybrite sahib aap ke munafikat khul ker samne agaye h zhair he mane ge to nahi me ne kaha nice sharing .kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi. afsos . muanfik me bralvi pehle number per he. jessy kokab norani loll.ab matem karo aap log ke woh kiya keh gaya اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 saybrite sahib aap ke munafikat khul ker samne agaye h zhair he mane ge to nahi me ne kaha nice sharing .kiya ghulam msutafa ne sahring ki thi. afsos . muanfik me bralvi pehle number per he. jessy kokab norani loll.ab matem karo aap log ke woh kiya keh gaya Deobandari bawloo mein aap yaqeenan sardaar hain. Apnay bhai ki post ko aankhein khool kar parh lein. Mujhay tu maloom hai ke aap ne kis ko kaha tha "nice sharing" lekin aap ke deobandari bhai ki samajh nahi aa rahi thi, uss ko samjhanay ke liye kaha hai. Kyu lateefay choortay ho har thori dair mein deobandari! Aur I admit ke aap se bara be'ghairat aur be'sharam deobandari mein ne nahi dekha! Abhi tak uss topic ko start karnay mein paoo kaanp rahay hain aap ke kyu pata hai waha kya durgatt banay gi. Doosray tamaam topics mein bakwaas karnay ka bohut time hai, bus uss topic ko start karne ki baat aye tu time nahi hota!! اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jad Dul Mukhtar مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Jad ul Mukhtar sahib! Inshallah! Mai zror aap ki sawalat k jawabat doo ga! Filhall to mujhe zra last posting per Eateraazat ka jawab daina hai...........! Anti-Brelvi sahib. app ki iss request kay baad bhi app post per post kar rahay ho, lakin meray sawalat kay jawabaat abhi tak nahi post kia. main abhi bhi wait kar raha hoon. ummeed hai app inn kay jawabaat zaroor deen ge. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peer2009 مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Deobandari bawloo mein aap yaqeenan sardaar hain. Apnay bhai ki post ko aankhein khool kar parh lein. Mujhay tu maloom hai ke aap ne kis ko kaha tha "nice sharing" lekin aap ke deobandari bhai ki samajh nahi aa rahi thi, uss ko samjhanay ke liye kaha hai. Kyu lateefay choortay ho har thori dair mein deobandari! Aur I admit ke aap se bara be'ghairat aur be'sharam deobandari mein ne nahi dekha! Abhi tak uss topic ko start karnay mein paoo kaanp rahay hain aap ke kyu pata hai waha kya durgatt banay gi. Doosray tamaam topics mein bakwaas karnay ka bohut time hai, bus uss topic ko start karne ki baat aye tu time nahi hota!! yar sybrite kehne ko aap moderator hien per lehje se me aap ko kiya kahoon kum se kum lehja to drust karo take pata chale aap ka background kiya he kiya baeed mery post per aap gali galoch per uter aoo. aap mujh ko yakeen dilao ke gali galosch nahi karo ge aur tehzeeb ki daiery me reh ker baat karo ge to wellcome weran mujh ko shoke nahi ke batil ki jang me apna time barbad karoon. aap mujh ko yakeen diwoa me sirf apne computer ka wait ker raha hoon dsl line to gher agye he computer agaya to jumerat ko INSHALLAH hazir hoon ga per ache aru sache muselman ki tehra bat karo to werna tata اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Bin Baaz ka Fatwa : "Tablighi Jamat Naqisul Ilm hai Aqeedah iska Kharab So isky saath jana Najayz hai" Jama'atul Tableegh & the Prayer Within Mosques That Contain Graves Question: I travelled to India and Pakistan with the Jama’atul-Tableegh, and we used to gather and pray in mosques that had graves within them. And I heard that the prayer within a masjid that contains a grave is invalidated; so what is your opinion regarding my prayers and do I have to repeat them? And what is the ruling upon going out with them (Jama’atul-Tableegh) to these places? Answer: In the Name of Allaah, and all praise is due to Allaah, to proceed; Jama’atul-Tableegh do not have with them sure-sighted knowledge in issues of ‘Aqeedah, so it is not permissible to go out with them, except for the one who has with him knowledge and insight of the correct sound ‘Aqeedah, that which the Ahlus sunnah wal-Jama’ah are upon, so that he guides them and advises them and cooperates with them upon good, because they are very active in their work, however they are in need of more knowledge, and (in need of) those who will give them clear-sightedness from the scholars of Tawheed and Sunnah. May Allaah grant all people understanding in the religion and firmness upon it. As for the Prayer in Masjids that contain a grave within them, then it is not correct, and it is obligatory to repeat that which you prayed within them; due to the saying of the Prophet sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam: "May the curse of Allaah be upon the Jews and the Christians, they took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship." Its authenticity is agreed upon. And his sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam saying: "Truly those that came before you use to take the graves of their Prophets and righteous ones as places of worship, so do not take the graves as places of worship because, indeed I forbid you from that."[1] And the narrations in this subject are many. And success is with Allaah, and may the peace and blessings of Allaah be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and Companions. _________________________ [1] Reported by Muslim in his Saheeh. Shaykh `Abdul-`Azeez Bin Baz ãÌãæÚ ÝÊÇæì æ ãÞÇáÇÊ ãÊäæøÚÉ, Volume.8, Page,331 Translated by Abu Maryam Taariq bin 'Ali for Source simply Search words of above fatwa in google or pm me for wahabi's website for fatwas اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 فروری 2009 Bin Baaz ka fatwa : "Tabligh Jamat 72 Nari Firqo me se Ek Firqa hai" Jama’at at-Tableegh are from the seventy two destroyed sects Posted on: Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 @ 5:40 pm Written by/Said by: Shaykh 'Abdul 'Azeez ibn Baaz (رحمه الله) Taken from: ************************** His eminence, al-Allaamah, Shaykh ‘Abdul ‘Azeez ibn Baaz, may Allaah Ta’ala have mercy upon him, was asked: May Allaah grant you much good. In the hadeeth of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) regarding the breaking up of the nations, he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: “My Ummah (nation) will break up in to seventy three sects [all of them in the fire] except one". So the Jama’at at-Tableegh, with what they have from the aspects of shirk and innovations and the Ikhwaanul Muslimeen, with what they have from aspects of hizbiyyah (partisanship), who revolt against the authority of the Muslim rulers and who disobey them, do these two groups enter into the destroyed sects? So he - may Allaah forgive him and bestow upon him the vastness of His mercy - answered by saying: They enter in to the seventy two (destroyed sects). Whosoever goes against the ‘aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah enters in to the seventy two (destroyed sects). The meaning of his (صلى الله عليه وسلم) statement: “my Ummah (nation)", is the Ummah of Ijaabah, meaning the nation that responded; the ones who responded (to his way) and showed their allegience to him. And the meaning of seventy three sects: The victorious sect, the saved (sect), is the one that adhered to him and were upright upon their religion and the seventy two sects includes the disbelievers, the sinners, and the innovators. Then the questioner said: You mean, that these two groups (Jama’at at-Tableegh and al-Ikhwaanul Muslimeen) are from the seventy two (destroyed sects)? The Shaykh answered: Yes, they are from amongst the seventy two, the likes of the Murji’ah and other than them. The Murji’ah and the Khawaarij, some of the people of knowledge are of the opinion that the Khawaarij are disbelievers outside (the fold of Islaam), but generally are included amongst the seventy two. for Source simply Search words of above fatwa in google or pm me for wahabi's website for fatwas اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
تجویز کردہ جواب
بحث میں حصہ لیں
آپ ابھی پوسٹ کرکے بعد میں رجسٹر ہوسکتے ہیں۔ اگر آپ پہلے سے رجسٹرڈ ہیں تو سائن اِن کریں اور اپنے اکاؤنٹ سے پوسٹ کریں۔
نوٹ: آپ کی پوسٹ ناظم کی اجازت کے بعد نظر آئے گی۔