deobandRo ki barsi

[Bhai Jaan]

 

deobandRi ki munafiqat ka sabout

 

Edited 14 فروری 2009 by Ya Mohammadah

[Sawad-e-Azam]

Yeh deobandi Mufti Mahmood ki har saal barsi manatay hein aur abhi haal hi mein inhon ne lal masjid ki barsi bhi manai he.

[Anti-Barelvi]

Munnah je lagta hai k Aap Waqae Munnah Ho! Pehle Baray to ho jao phir aisi bongian marna! Banada me zra si b aql ho na to Smjh sakta hai.........mgr Aql aur Barelvi Bandro me ( Mind nahi kerna........bcoz bander main ne nahi bal ke AAp k " AAALA HAZRAT" ne apni aik kitab me khud Barelvio ko kaha hai ) aql nam ki koi cheeze nahi. Pehli Baat k kia Munnah je ko confirm hai k Maulana Azam Tariq ki barsi hoi? Aik newspaper me photo k neeche likha hona k Maulana Sahib ki Barsi Manai ja rahi hai.....to zarori to nahi k Akhbar walo ne Darust likha ho! Un ki YAD me....un ki Seerat me......koi mehfil ho to kia woh barsi ho gae?? Mere Munah Bhai....Yeh Tum logo me Biddat hai k Barsi...Chalesva ka naam pe Halway Manday aur Kheerain Ura jatay ho........Aur phir Dikar mar k us ko halal b kehtay ho aur us ko Sunnat b kehtay ho! Lag pata jae ga jub Roz e Mahshar In Saray Halwoon ka Hisab daina paray ga!

Dosri Baat k Mehfil e Naat ko kon Biddat kehta hai?? Masla to tab khara hota hai jab AAp log Mehfil e Naat ki AAr me woh woh Afaal Kr jate ho k jin ko Sunnat to nahi albata Biddat Zaror kaha ja sakta hai. Kufria Ashaar....Ghair ullah se Madad.....Shoor o hangama (Naaro ki aar ME)...........Paiso ka lutana.....Be-pardgi ka hona.........aur bohat kuch jo k AAp jantay hain!

Zra Jamia Banoori ki mehfil me b shirkat krain aur phir kuhd hi comparison b farma lain Muunnnnnnnnnh Jeeee!

[F.Shahzad]

Munnah je lagta hai k Aap Waqae Munnah Ho! Pehle Baray to ho jao phir aisi bongian marna! Banada me zra si b aql ho na to Smjh sakta hai.........mgr Aql aur Barelvi Bandro me ( Mind nahi kerna........bcoz bander main ne nahi bal ke AAp k " AAALA HAZRAT" ne apni aik kitab me khud Barelvio ko kaha hai ) aql nam ki koi cheeze nahi. Pehli Baat k kia Munnah je ko confirm hai k Maulana Azam Tariq ki barsi hoi? Aik newspaper me photo k neeche likha hona k Maulana Sahib ki Barsi Manai ja rahi hai.....to zarori to nahi k Akhbar walo ne Darust likha ho! Un ki YAD me....un ki Seerat me......koi mehfil ho to kia woh barsi ho gae?? Mere Munah Bhai....Yeh Tum logo me Biddat hai k Barsi...Chalesva ka naam pe Halway Manday aur Kheerain Ura jatay ho........Aur phir Dikar mar k us ko halal b kehtay ho aur us ko Sunnat b kehtay ho! Lag pata jae ga jub Roz e Mahshar In Saray Halwoon ka Hisab daina paray ga!

 

"Kawwa aur Maindek" khor tum apnay Kazzab Peerion ke terha Jhoot he bool sakta hu.

Ab agar tum Kazzab nahi tu saboot dikhao jahan AlaHazrat nai Barelvion ko aisa kaha hay????

Yah topic is forum per discuss ho chuka hay aur "Taha Ali" ke terha abb tum bhe "Jhoton par Allah ke Lanat ka mustahiq" tahray.

 

Newspapaer mai saaf likha hay kay Fasadi Azam Tariq ki Barsi manaiy giay par tum nahi mano gai....Dinn ko Raat he kahna....deobandi jo howay.....apkay kissi mulla nai iss akhabari baat ke tardeed nahi ke.Agar ke hai tu apne Lota jamat sai saboot paish karain.

 

apko bhe Halway sai bhut Chir hay.............apki kismat mai Hindu kay Nazranai aur Pooriyan jo likhin hay.

 

Aur Deoband walo nay bhe 100 saala Jashan may Kawwa Biryani kha ker aur Indhra Gandhi kay sath "GangaJal-Cow wala " pee kar duniya ko dikha diya kay Deobandi apni Mehfilon aur majlisoon mai kiya khatay hain!!!

[Anti-Barelvi]

Chalo dear Aap k AAAAAAAAAAAALA HAZRAT ne AAp ko BANDER nahin kaha to koi Bat nahi......Lo mai keh daita hoo k Barelvi Bander Hai........Ab theek hai.

Bander is tarah k tum log kabhi Bander ki tarah aik Ghair Ullah ki tehni pr Uchalte ho to kabhi Dosre Ghiar Ullah ki tehni pe Uchal Kood krte ho! Thori dair k lea mujhe apna AAla Hazrat Maan lo.........Aur mai kehta hoon k Berlevi Bander hain!

 

Dosri Baat k kia Akhbar Tere Ghar se nikalta hai jo tu keh raha hai k Barsi Manae gae? Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho.........Aqal k Anday fshehzad sahib!

 

Aur zra yeh to btana k AAp l AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALA Hazrat kab se " SAHABI" bAN GE HAI JO aaP UN K naam k baad Razi Allah Likh rahe ho? Kuch to Sharam kro LAEEN Barelvio! Is tarah to tum Sab khair se " TABA" Aur " TABA TABAEEN" Tehre! Kal kahi koi Nabi na Produce kr lena Apne Firqa me............!

 

Deoband wale Indrah Ganghi k sath Halwa kha rahe hai to is pe Eateraz.........Aur jo tum logo ne jo apna sara Mazhab Hinduoon K riwajaat pe khara kia hai un k bare me kia kehte ho? Yeh Halway Manday Aur Ghair Ullah se Mangna Tum logo ne Apne AABAO AJDADA Hinduoon hi se to lia hai.................Hai Na?

 

 

 

 

[Abdulsalam]

 

Janab Anti-Brelvi sahib

Zara dheeraj rakhyen itna gussa sahi nahin hai........

Wesey to main Baqool aap logon ke Ghair muqallid hon lakin kuch yahan dono ke haq main or khilaf main kehna chahta hon..

 

Haq main

Aap donon hi aapni jagha sahi ho ke Aalah Hazrat ne apnye aik risaley main aik Bandar ke Slwat-Wasslam ke liye Taazeeman kharye nonye per us Bandar ko Barelvi kaha (Hawala bilkul bhi yaad nahin, lakin isi site per kisi jagha wo origional page scanned hai)

 

Barelvi bhai ka kehna ke ye bhi barsi manatye hain to main barsi ka to nahin keh sakta lakin (in ke buzargon ke) han bohat sarye aamal woh hi hian jo ke barelvi ke hain

main ne aam (General) Deobandi ka is liye nahn kaha ke in main se bohat se logon ko to sirf wohi baatain pata hain jo in ko taa'leem main bataiee jati hain lakin in ke buzurgon ka aqeedah kiya tha woh nahin pata hota nahin hi ye log is silsilye main to theqeeq kartye hain (is main agar bozurgon ke tehqeer ka pehlo nikalta hai to muafee ka talabgar hon lakin shach baharhall sach hai)

 

Problem shoroo yahin se hoti hai ke hum akabir (Qabar nahin warna woh bhi hai) parasti main had se ziyada mubtala hain, or kahin or kisi tor bhi un ko ghalat mannye ko tayyar nahin....

 

Mera khayal hai ke agar hum ibtadai tor per sirf aik Eiyada (Fesla) kar len ke hum Aqeedah main akabir parasti ke bajaye Quran-o-Hadith ko hujjat mannye gaye to bohat si beemariyan khatam hojayngi.

 

Kia kehtye hain aap log is silsilye main

 

Abdul Salam

[Sybarite]

Munnah je lagta hai k Aap Waqae Munnah Ho! Pehle Baray to ho jao phir aisi bongian marna! Banada me zra si b aql ho na to Smjh sakta hai.........mgr Aql aur Barelvi Bandro me ( Mind nahi kerna........bcoz bander main ne nahi bal ke AAp k " AAALA HAZRAT" ne apni aik kitab me khud Barelvio ko kaha hai ) aql nam ki koi cheeze nahi. Pehli Baat k kia Munnah je ko confirm hai k Maulana Azam Tariq ki barsi hoi? Aik newspaper me photo k neeche likha hona k Maulana Sahib ki Barsi Manai ja rahi hai.....to zarori to nahi k Akhbar walo ne Darust likha ho! Un ki YAD me....un ki Seerat me......koi mehfil ho to kia woh barsi ho gae?? Mere Munah Bhai....Yeh Tum logo me Biddat hai k Barsi...Chalesva ka naam pe Halway Manday aur Kheerain Ura jatay ho........Aur phir Dikar mar k us ko halal b kehtay ho aur us ko Sunnat b kehtay ho! Lag pata jae ga jub Roz e Mahshar In Saray Halwoon ka Hisab daina paray ga!

Dosri Baat k Mehfil e Naat ko kon Biddat kehta hai?? Masla to tab khara hota hai jab AAp log Mehfil e Naat ki AAr me woh woh Afaal Kr jate ho k jin ko Sunnat to nahi albata Biddat Zaror kaha ja sakta hai. Kufria Ashaar....Ghair ullah se Madad.....Shoor o hangama (Naaro ki aar ME)...........Paiso ka lutana.....Be-pardgi ka hona.........aur bohat kuch jo k AAp jantay hain!

Zra Jamia Banoori ki mehfil me b shirkat krain aur phir kuhd hi comparison b farma lain Muunnnnnnnnnh Jeeee!

 

Aap pehlay tu ye faisla kar lijiye ke aap yaha Munnay Munni ki behs karne aye hain ya apni deobandariyat ki utarti dhooti ko sambhaalnay?

 

Meri aaj tak ye samajh nahi aya ke koi insaan iss qadr be'sharm aur be'ghairat kis tarah ho sakta hai. Aap paish'karda aakhbari hawala'jaat ke radd mein farmatay hain ke "zarori to nahi k Akhbar walo ne Darust likha ho", aap ki iss daleel se hi aap ki ilmi auqaat ka ba'khoobi andaza hota hai. Hum ne sirf woh akhbaari hawala yaha quote kiya tu aap ki na'paid ghairat ne aisa josh mara ke aap ne forun se reply mein post likh mari aur humaray daway ko ghalat qaraar dya ke nahi jee barsi nahi huwi thi. Lekin jab yehi khabar akhbaar mein chappi thi tab se aaj tak poori deobandiyat mein koi aik ghairat'mand mulla nahi tha jo iss khabar ka radd karta. Aisa kyu? Aakhir jab her deobandari tatt poonjiye ko iss kism ka aiteraaz dekh kar jawab dene ki khaarish hoti hai tu phir deobandari mullao mein tu iss tarah ki jawabi karwaee ki kharish ba'darja-e-atam honi chahiye. Behr'haal ye tu aap hi behtar bata saktay hain ke inn mamloo mein aap ke takkay takkay ke mullaa zanaan'khaano mein kyu chup jatay hain!

 

Baqi rahi bandar wali baat, tu aap kya aap ki naslain bhi aap ke kiye gaye daway ko sabit nahi kar sakti ke Ala Hazrat ne "Barelviyo" ko bandar kaha. Asal masla hi ye hai ke aap deobandariyo mein her tatt poonjiya mujtahid mufti bana betha hai, so issi behs-o-mubahisay mein bhi aap jaisay jahil hazrat hi nazar atay hain jinhay aiteraaz karne se pehlay aiteraaz ki bunyaad ki hi khabar nahi hoti. Iss bandar walay issue per agar tafseel se baat karna ho tu zaroor bataiye ga, warna aik topic tu already moujod hai jaha aap ke kaafi deegar deobandari zaleel-o-khuwaar ho kar bhaag chukay.

 

Kufria ashaar, ghair'Allah se imdaad waghaira ke issues per kaafi topics already moujod hain jaha humaray Maslak, Maslak-e-Haq Ahle'Sunnat ki haqqaniyatt saaz wazeh hai. Phir bhi agar aap ko typical deobandari ki tarah zaati tuor per zalaalat ke mazay chakhnay hain tu aap ko bhi dawat hai. Jis mouzo per dil kare topic create kar lein, jawabaat wahi de diye jaye gay. Filhaal iss topic mein irrelevant baatein ghussa kar iss divert karna theek nahi.

 

Chalo dear Aap k AAAAAAAAAAAALA HAZRAT ne AAp ko BANDER nahin kaha to koi Bat nahi......Lo mai keh daita hoo k Barelvi Bander Hai........Ab theek hai.

Bander is tarah k tum log kabhi Bander ki tarah aik Ghair Ullah ki tehni pr Uchalte ho to kabhi Dosre Ghiar Ullah ki tehni pe Uchal Kood krte ho! Thori dair k lea mujhe apna AAla Hazrat Maan lo.........Aur mai kehta hoon k Berlevi Bander hain!

 

Dosri Baat k kia Akhbar Tere Ghar se nikalta hai jo tu keh raha hai k Barsi Manae gae? Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho.........Aqal k Anday fshehzad sahib!

 

Aur zra yeh to btana k AAp l AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALA Hazrat kab se " SAHABI" bAN GE HAI JO aaP UN K naam k baad Razi Allah Likh rahe ho? Kuch to Sharam kro LAEEN Barelvio! Is tarah to tum Sab khair se " TABA" Aur " TABA TABAEEN" Tehre! Kal kahi koi Nabi na Produce kr lena Apne Firqa me............!

 

Deoband wale Indrah Ganghi k sath Halwa kha rahe hai to is pe Eateraz.........Aur jo tum logo ne jo apna sara Mazhab Hinduoon K riwajaat pe khara kia hai un k bare me kia kehte ho? Yeh Halway Manday Aur Ghair Ullah se Mangna Tum logo ne Apne AABAO AJDADA Hinduoon hi se to lia hai.................Hai Na?

 

Ab apni post ko aap khud hi dekh lijiye. Asal mouzo ke ilawa aap her issue per baat kar rahay hain magar abhi tak aap ko ghairat nahi aiee ke uss akhbaari hawalay ke jawab mein kisi mustanadd deobandari mullay ka bayan paish kar dein.

 

Agay aap farmatay hain ke "Dosri Baat k kia Akhbar Tere Ghar se nikalta hai jo tu keh raha hai k Barsi Manae gae?" Kya baat hai! Matlab ab deobandiyatt ke paas apni utarti dhooti ko bachanay ke liye issi kism ke dalail reh gaye hain! Tu miya jee kya Akhbaar Deoband se nikalta hai ke jis ka aitebaar na kya jaye?

 

Phir aap ki agli statement se aap ki be'basi saaf zahir ho rahi hai. Aap kehtay hain ke "Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho" Chaliye janab, doosre ko andha kehtay kehtay lagta hai aap ke bhi chiraagh bujh gaye. Ab zara jaldi se bataiye ke apni pichli post mein ye baat aap ne kaha likhi. Apni pichli post mein tu aap Barsi ka siray se inkaar hi kar rahay thay. Aaiye aap ko aap ki apni hi post ka deedar karwao.

 

Pichli post mein aap ne Barsi ka inkar kartay huway kaha ke;

 

"Aik newspaper me photo k neeche likha hona k Maulana Sahib ki Barsi Manai ja rahi hai.....to zarori to nahi k Akhbar walo ne Darust likha ho! Un ki YAD me....un ki Seerat me......koi mehfil ho to kia woh barsi ho gae?"

 

Phir mazeed agay likhtay hain ke;

 

"Yeh Tum logo me Biddat hai k Barsi...Chalesva...."

 

Pehlay aap in mehfilo ko Barsi mannay per hi tayyar nahi thay, hatta ke josh josh mein apnay Barsi ko hum logo ki biddat qaraar de diya, aur ab dekhiya aap kis tarah apni deobandiyatt ka muzahira karte huway loota ban rahay hain;

 

"Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho"

 

Iss kehtay hain apnay munh aap zaleel hona! Ab jab aap ne IN BARSIO ko BARSI maan hi lya hai tu iss per deobandari mufto ka fatwa bhi pata kijiye!

 

Agay chal kar wohi ghisa'pita purana aiteraaz kar diya aap ne jis ka jawab baar'ha diya jaa chuka lekin shayad baar baar zaleel hona aap deobandariyo ki khaslat mein hai tabhi 1 hi aiteraaz ko baar baar duhra kar apni jahalat ka saboot dete hain. Aap ke "Radi Allahu Anhu" ke istimaal per aiteraaz ka jawab tu neechay parh lijiye lekin agar aap mein thori si bhi sharm hai tu iss ka reply bhi kijiye ga, ye na ke pehlay aiteraaz kya, phir jawab mila tu baat hi badal di!

 

Nazirah Quran-e-Karim hi parh lya tu hota dil se tu ye naubat naa aati deobandariyo! Lekin aap jaiso ke liye Huzoor-e-Akram ki hadith jo moujod hai ke "Quran parhein gay lekin in ke halak se neechay na jaye ga"

 

Baqi aapki bakwaas her chillar chor deobandari karta hai, so deegar tamaam issues per aap ko khulli chutti hai baat karne ki! Bus thori himmat kar ke apne aiterazaat ka saboot paish kar ke baat karein tu theek hai warna bawlay ki bakwaas per kaun kaan dharta hai!

[Sybarite]

Haq main

Aap donon hi aapni jagha sahi ho ke Aalah Hazrat ne apnye aik risaley main aik Bandar ke Slwat-Wasslam ke liye Taazeeman kharye nonye per us Bandar ko Barelvi kaha (Hawala bilkul bhi yaad nahin, lakin isi site per kisi jagha wo origional page scanned hai)

 

Uss hawalay ko dobara parhiye aur phir bhi samajh na aye tu you really in need of help! Ala Hazrat ne bandar ko "Bandar" hi kaha, aur Wahabi hone ki tardeed ki ke janwaaro mein bhi Tazeem-e-Rasool hai lekin wahabiyo mein nahi!

Check the thread below;

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...ic=6534&hl=

 

Barelvi bhai ka kehna ke ye bhi barsi manatye hain to main barsi ka to nahin keh sakta lakin (in ke buzargon ke) han bohat sarye aamal woh hi hian jo ke barelvi ke hain

 

Ab tu ye janab khud hi iqraar kar chukay Barsi ka! Aur na abhi tak kisi mustanadd deobandi zaray'e se iss hawalay ki tardeed samnay aiee hai so iss per behs ab fuzool hai.

 

main ne aam (General) Deobandi ka is liye nahn kaha ke in main se bohat se logon ko to sirf wohi baatain pata hain jo in ko taa'leem main bataiee jati hain lakin in ke buzurgon ka aqeedah kiya tha woh nahin pata hota nahin hi ye log is silsilye main to theqeeq kartye hain (is main agar bozurgon ke tehqeer ka pehlo nikalta hai to muafee ka talabgar hon lakin shach baharhall sach hai)

 

Same is the case with ghair'muqallideens! Kafi arsay pehlay fatwa parha tha Ghair'muqallideen ki janib se ke deobandiyo se nikah nahi, sirf zina hai aur mere kaafi kareebi dost ki love marriage jo ke ghair'muqallid larki se huwi aur larki bhi uss ghair'muqallid khandaan se kattar (staunch) ghair'muqallid hain hatta ke khud ghair'muqallido ka madrassa chalatay hain. Ab woh khatoon dunya mein bhar pe apni ghair'muqalldiyat per fakhar karti phirti hain lekin ye nahi maloom ke apnay hi mullo ke fatwo ki roo se zaaniya qaraar paati hai aur ab tu 1 wald-e-haram ko janam bhi de chuki hain. So kehnay ka maqsad ye ke jahalat ki ye beemari sirf deobandiyo mein nahi balkay ghair'muqallido mein bhi paee jati hai. Haa comparitively Deobandari iss race mien ghair'muqallido se thora aagay hain.

 

Mera khayal hai ke agar hum ibtadai tor per sirf aik Eiyada (Fesla) kar len ke hum Aqeedah main akabir parasti ke bajaye Quran-o-Hadith ko hujjat mannye gaye to bohat si beemariyan khatam hojayngi.

 

Agar aap taqleed ki tafseel parhein tu maloom ho jaye ga ke humaray akabireen ke nazdeek aqaid mein taqleed jayaz hi nahi....

[Abdulsalam]

So kehnay ka maqsad se ke ye jahalat ki ye beemari sirf deobandiyo mein nahi balkay ghair'muqallido mein bhi paee jati hai. Haa comparitively Deobandari iss race mien ghair'muqallido se thora aagay hain.

Janab Sybarite sahib

Janab shukary ka aapne jawab diya, is quote ko kartye hoye aap shyed aap bhool gaye meri akhir ki kuch lines parhna bhool gaye ke hum akabir parasti main mubtala nahin hain ye to aap kisi se bhi pooch saktye hain... to phir ye beemari hum main hoi hi nahin.......

 

 

Agar aap taqleed ki tafseel parhein tu maloom ho jaye ga ke humaray akabireen ke nazdeek aqaid mein taqleed jayaz hi nahi....

Janab zara ye to batayen ke aqeedah aap ke nazdeek kon kon se hain, kion ke jahan tak main janta hon or aap ki kitabon main likha hai aap bohat se aqeedon main apnye Ulama, Imamon ki pervi kartye hain

(ab details to yahan nahin donga ke ye discussion ke mukhalif ho jayegi, lakin hawalye ke liye Sirf Nad-e-Aliya ka muamla hi ghor talab hai)

 

Mera khayal abhi tak yahi hai ke agar hum ibtadai tor per sirf aik Eiyada (Fesla) kar len ke hum Aqeedah main akabir parasti ke bajaye Quran-o-Hadith ko hujjat mannye gaye to bohat si beemariyan khatam hojayngi.

 

Abdul Salam

[Sybarite]

Janab shukary ka aapne jawab diya, is quote ko kartye hoye aap shyed aap bhool gaye meri akhir ki kuch lines parhna bhool gaye ke hum akabir parasti main mubtala nahin hain ye to aap kisi se bhi pooch saktye hain... to phir ye beemari hum main hoi hi nahin

 

Ye post apne kitni frustration mein ki hai iss ka andaza tamaam parhnay walo ko ho raha hoga. "aap shyed aap bhool gaye meri akhir ki kuch lines parhna bhool gaye". Khair ab thora thanday dimaagh se samajhne ki koshish karein.

 

Mein ne jo baat kahi uss ko samjhnay ke liye pehlay ye dekhiye ke mein ne aap ki kis baat ko quote kar ke ye sab kaha tha. Mein ne baat ki thi jahalat ki, in terms of ke apnay akabir ke aqeeday aur fatwo ki khabar nahi aur dosro per tanqeed kiye jatay hain. Dobara parhiye meri post ko shayad iss baar baat samajh aa jaye aap ko.

 

Janab zara ye to batayen ke aqeedah aap ke nazdeek kon kon se hain, kion ke jahan tak main janta hon or aap ki kitabon main likha hai aap bohat se aqeedon main apnye Ulama, Imamon ki pervi kartye hain

(ab details to yahan nahin donga ke ye discussion ke mukhalif ho jayegi, lakin hawalye ke liye Sirf Nad-e-Aliya ka muamla hi ghor talab hai)

 

Aap ne tu apni ilmiyat ka bharpoor muzahira kar diya! Matlab aap ke nazdeek Naad-e-Ali aqaid mein shamil hai! Chaliye ab ye bhi bata dijiye humaray kin ulema ne isay Farz ya Wajib qaraar diya hai? Waisay Nad-e-Ali walay topic mein touheedi bhai ke haatho jo aap ki durgat bani kya woh kafi nahi? Dec 2008 se ab tak aap seedhay se sawalaat ka jawab nahi de paa rahay aur topic ko tool de rahay hain kyu ke ye masla ab na aap se nigla jaa raha hai na ugla jaa raha hai. Waisay jald post kar ke uss topic ko faisla'kun merhalay mein lanay ki koshish karo ga warna aap ne tu qasam hi khaa li hai jawab na dene ki.

 

Mera khayal abhi tak yahi hai ke agar hum ibtadai tor per sirf aik Eiyada (Fesla) kar len ke hum Aqeedah main akabir parasti ke bajaye Quran-o-Hadith ko hujjat mannye gaye to bohat si beemariyan khatam hojayngi.

 

Ye aap ka nahi tamaam Musalmaano ka khayal hai. Farq sirf itna hai ke humaray yaha har doosra tatt poonjiya Quran-o-Hadith se apni marzi ka matlab akhaz kar ke mujtahidd bana apni dairh eent ki masjid nahi banata.

 

Tafseel mei nahi jata magar aik baat zimnan wazeh kar do. Aap ghair'muqallid jaha apnay kisi muftay ya mullay ko ghalat qaraar pata dekhtay hain tu forun faraar ka raasta dhoondtay huway kehtay hain ke jee hum to Quran-o-Hadith per yaqeen rakhtay hain joo baat Quran-o-Hadith se takraye usay hum nahi mantay chahay koi bhi kahay lekin be'sharmi aur hatt'dharmi ki intihaa dekhiye ke agar khud aap ke ghar se aap ke kisi mullay ka qoul ghalat sabit kar diya jaye tu aap "Ye ghalat hai, hum nahi mantay, hum taqleed nahi kartay" keh kar jaan chura letay hain, aur mukhalif se agar koi ikhtilaafi masla ho tu uss ki tardeed shuru ho jati hai. Apnay ghar ke mullao ke khilaaf aap ke doosray mullay wohi fatwa kyu nahi dete jo woh mukhalifeen per dete aye hain?

 

To ye farq hai janab aap mein aur hum mein. Hum lootay nahi. Jo ghalat hai so ghalat hai, jis ki kaafi misaalein aap ko mill jai gi. Tahir-ul-Qadri patri se utray tu sab se pehlay khud humaray hi ulema ne Gumrahi ka fatwa diya, Sheikh Amin ka fitna Ahle'Sunnat ka naam istimaal kartay huway utha tu uss per bhi fatwa humaray hi muftiyaan-e-kiram ne diya. Ghair'muqallideen ki tarah humaray yaha ye riwaaj nahi ke apnay ghar ke mullay ne koi ghalat baat kar di tu sirf "hum nahi mantay" keh jaan chura li aur phir ussi mullay ki kitaabien bhi chaapi jaa rahi hain, usay akabir mein bhi shumaar kya jaa raha hai.

 

Hasil ye ke aap ghair'muqallideen ki shariat apno ke liye alag aur ghairo ke liye alag hai.

[The Power]

[Anti-Barelvi]

 

Jnab Hazrat Sybarite Urf Dhoti Sahib! Aadab Arz hai. Aap ne to Dhoti ki itni Girdan Alapi hai k mujhe shak ho raha hai ka.......Shayed Aap ne Ab tak Sari Zindagi Kisi Peer Ki Dhoti Shareef me Basar kr di hai.

 

Rahi Baat "R.A" Ki to Mujhe to lag raha hai k Mustaqbil me Aap b apne lea

" Razi Allah" ka lafz na Istemaal krne lag jae! Khair.......! Ab mai kia kaho k Jo Aqeeday tum logo k hain..........Un k bawajood agr Aap " Razi Allah" k Alfaz apne sath likhna chahte hain to Ummat e Muslima k Lea Is se barh k Sangeen Mazak aur kia ho sakta hai........?

Jaha tak Baat hai is jumla ki:

 

"Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho"

 

To Aqal k Andho........tum logo ko zra smjh nahi aati k aik banda kis context me baat kr raha hai?......is me tumhara qasoor b nahi........Dilo pe muhar jo lag gae hai na......tumhara b qasoor nahi......mai ne tanz kia tha k un mehfilo ko zra apni Barsio se b compare kr k daikho! Mehfil k lea me ne Lafz barsi az rah e Tanz ikhtear kia aur tum log smjh baithe k waqae barsi humari taraf b halal ho gae...........Lanat hai aisi aql pe jo Haram k Halwe kha kha k Khatam hoti ja rahi hai.

Doosri Baat k Hamare Ulma ne is khabar ki tardeed q nahi ki?

 

Bander Barelvio! Woh Barsi hoti to us ki tardeed krte na!.............woh kis ki tardeed krte?

 

Jab barsi hoi hi nahi to phir tardeed kis baat ki..........?

 

Umeed hai k Ainda se Dhotio me "DAKHAL ANDAZI" Krne ki jisarat nahin kro ge........!

Aakhir me Dua hai k Allah tum logo ko marne se pehle HIDAYAT aatafarmae. Aameen!

[Sybarite]

Jnab Hazrat Sybarite Urf Dhoti Sahib! Aadab Arz hai. Aap ne to Dhoti ki itni Girdan Alapi hai k mujhe shak ho raha hai ka.......Shayed Aap ne Ab tak Sari Zindagi Kisi Peer Ki Dhoti Shareef me Basar kr di hai.

 

Aap ke be'basi ka andaza issi baat se ho raha hai ke aap "Khisyaani billi khamba noochay" (NOTE: Yaha aik deobandari ko sirf muhawaratan billi kaha hai, hargizz billiyo ki toheen maqsood nahi) ke misdaaq sirf 2 baar istimaal kiye gaye lafz ko "Girdaan Alaapna" qaraar de rahay hain (waisay girdaan alaapi nahi jaati, sahi istilaah "raag alapna" hai, kyu bilawajeh mein Urdu istilaahaat ka mazak bana rahay hain). Aur rahi baat dhooti mein zindagi basar karne ke tu miya humaray yaha Gangohi aur Nanotwi jaisay lawatat ke "Chaarpai Olympians" hain hi nahi jo ye beemari humein lagay. Aap ke mullo ke aisay case tu akhbaaro ke saath saath aap ki apni kitaabo mein bhi baray fakhar se bayaan kiye jatay hain.

 

Rahi Baat "R.A" Ki to Mujhe to lag raha hai k Mustaqbil me Aap b apne lea

" Razi Allah" ka lafz na Istemaal krne lag jae! Khair.......! Ab mai kia kaho k Jo Aqeeday tum logo k hain..........Un k bawajood agr Aap " Razi Allah" k Alfaz apne sath likhna chahte hain to Ummat e Muslima k Lea Is se barh k Sangeen Mazak aur kia ho sakta hai........?

 

Samajh nahi aata ke Quran-o-Sunnat ke naray laganay walay aap deobandari hazrat ikhtilaafi mouzo per Quran-o-Sunnat se dalail paish karne se kyu ghabratay hain. Janab mein ne aap ko jawab diya uss mein Quran ki ayaat ka hawala bhi moujod hai aur mazeed aap ke apnay ghar ki mustanadd kitaab ka hawala bhi. Usoolan tu aap ko chahiye tha ke aap issi tarah saboot-o-dalail paish kar ke apna mouqif sabit kartay lekin typical deobandari loota'chaap policy ke tehat aap ne phir aik siyaasi bayan bazi kar ke jaan churana chahi hai. Lekin ab zara bhaagna mushkil hai.

 

"Radi Allahu Anhu" ke istimaal per jo hawalay mein ne diye pehlay tu unn ka radd kijiye Quran-o-Hadith se, phir apni Tazkirahtur-Rasheed ka bhi difaa kijiye, iss ke baad shayad aap ki baat mein kuch wazan warna ye bekaar mein siyaasi bayan baazi se koi faida nahi, aap apna mazaak hi banwaye gay.

Jaha tak Baat hai is jumla ki:

 

"Mai pehle b keh chuka hoo k zra in Barsio aur Apni Barsio ka mawazna b kr daikho"

 

To Aqal k Andho........tum logo ko zra smjh nahi aati k aik banda kis context me baat kr raha hai?......is me tumhara qasoor b nahi........Dilo pe muhar jo lag gae hai na......tumhara b qasoor nahi......mai ne tanz kia tha k un mehfilo ko zra apni Barsio se b compare kr k daikho! Mehfil k lea me ne Lafz barsi az rah e Tanz ikhtear kia aur tum log smjh baithe k waqae barsi humari taraf b halal ho gae...........Lanat hai aisi aql pe jo Haram k Halwe kha kha k Khatam hoti ja rahi hai.

 

Ab janab aap ko Urdu istilahaat ki khabar nahi tu iss mein humara kya kasoor? Aap kehtay hain ke aap ne baray-e-tanz kaha.. matlab baray-e-tanz aap ne apni hi mehfil ko Barsi keh dya! Tu phir tu ye aap hi per tanz huwa na ke hum per! Chaliye phir bhi aap ka dil rakhne ke liye aap ki baat ko sahi maan lete hain warna aap asal mouzo ko ghuma kar issi per behs shuru kar dein gay. Ab aiye aap ko apnay ghar ki kuch aur Barsiyo ka deedar karwao phir agay chaltay hain.

 

Ab iss ke jawab mein bhi aap wohi raag alaapay gay ke ye Barsi nahi, akhbaar walo ka tu jo jee chahay likh dete hain. Iss zaman mein aap se sawal kya tha ke agar ye Barsi nahi tu aap ke Ulema iss ki tardeed kyu nahi kartay. Iss ka jawab aap dete hain ke;

 

 

Woh Barsi hoti to us ki tardeed krte na!.............woh kis ki tardeed krte?

 

Jab barsi hoi hi nahi to phir tardeed kis baat ki..........?

 

Janab ye tu aap ba'haisiyatt fard-e-wahid keh rahay hain ke ye Barsi nahi. Aap ki baat ko puri jamaat ka tarjumani bayan kyu kar maan lya jaye? Aap koi mustanadd aur maroof deobandari shakhsiyat tu hain nahi jo aap ki baat ko mustanadd maan kar qubool kar lya jaye.

 

Mera mutaliba pehlay bhi yehi tha ab bhi yehi hai ke agar ye Barsi nahi tu aap ke Ulema ne akhbaaro walo ke is mehfil ko Barsi ka naam dene per koi radd-e-amal zahir kyu nahi kya? Jis tarah aap phudak phudak kar chilla rahay hain ke ye Barsi nahi hai, Barsi nahi hai, issi tarah kisi maroof deobandari ne aisa bayan kyu nahi dya? Tardeed isi baat ki chahiye ke janab jis mehfil ko ye akhbaar walay Barsi qaraar de rahay hain woh Barsi nahi kuch aur hai, aur jo hai uss ka bhi koi naam bata dijiye tu aur bhi behtar.

Umeed hai k Ainda se Dhotio me "DAKHAL ANDAZI" Krne ki jisarat nahin kro ge........!

 

Filhaal tu aap ki deobandariyatt ki dhooti jitni utar chuki hai ussi ki fikr kijiye janab. Thora hosla paida kar ke dalail se baat karein, ye bekaar ke shoor sharabay se kuch sabit nahi hoga.

 

Aakhir me Dua hai k Allah tum logo ko marne se pehle HIDAYAT aatafarmae. Aameen!

 

Baat khatam karte karte bhi aap apni jahalat ka saboot de gaye. Pehlay aap likhtay hain ke;

 

"is me tumhara qasoor b nahi........Dilo pe muhar jo lag gae hai na......"

 

Dil per muhar lagna matlab hidayat ka darwaza band! Tu jab hidayat ka raasta hi nahi tu phir hidayat ki dua kaisi? Waisay koi ajab nahi, deobandariyo ke nazdeek tu pehlay hi Allah ke kazib honay ka imkaan hai, tu phir dil per lagai gai Allah ki muhar ke kamzoor honay ka bhi koi imkaan hoga!

(Naql-e-Kufr, kufr na bashid)

[Ya Mohammadah]

waqt mily to anti-Ahle Sunnat i mean (Deoband..i) kuch time is topic par bhi guzar lein...

Quran Khuwani Or Deobandi, Kahan Gaya Biddat Ka Fatwa ?????

 

[Abdulsalam]

Aap ne tu apni ilmiyat ka bharpoor muzahira kar diya! Matlab aap ke nazdeek Naad-e-Ali aqaid mein shamil hai! Chaliye ab ye bhi bata dijiye humaray kin ulema ne isay Farz ya Wajib qaraar diya hai? Waisay Nad-e-Ali walay topic mein touheedi bhai ke haatho jo aap ki durgat bani kya woh kafi nahi? Dec 2008 se ab tak aap seedhay se sawalaat ka jawab nahi de paa rahay aur topic ko tool de rahay hain kyu ke ye masla ab na aap se nigla jaa raha hai na ugla jaa raha hai. Waisay jald post kar ke uss topic ko faisla'kun merhalay mein lanay ki koshish karo ga warna aap ne tu qasam hi khaa li hai jawab na dene ki.

 

Janab Chalen main frustration main hi sahi, jesye aap khush,,,,,

janab main kam ilm hi sahi, lakin kia aap zara ani woh love marriage wali kahani dobara comma, inverted comma's and full stop ke saath biyan karengye???

 

Rahi baat aapkye Naad-e-Alliya ke Aqeedah honye ke silsilye main to janab,

Ab aap logon ke paas is ki koi sahi sanad to mojood hi nahin, Hatta ke Mulla Ali Qari (RAH) ne is ko Mouzooat-e-Kabeer main zikr bhi isi liey kia. Lakin aap hain ke jan boojh ker garhye main girne ki koshish kar rahye hain. Is ke parnhye per MUSHKIL KUSHAI KA AQEEDAH RAKHA HOUA HAI, ab is ko aqeedah nahin kahyen to kia kahen. aap ka to ye manna hai ke Jis ke Ali momin ke wali hain, or is ko na mannye wala momin hi nahin....

 

Jahan tak baat hai DUR-GAT bannye ki to janab aap se jumlye bazi main to main jeet nahin sakta, lakin ye zaroor dikha sakta hon ke main is Dua (Dua-e-Sefi) hi ko ghalat sabit kar raha hon, lakin aap hain ke is per amal karnye walye ki misal de kar is ko jayez bata rahye hain, Ab aap kisi but(IDOL) parrast ki misal de ker IDOLISM ko sahi kahen to kia kehnye.

 

Ye aap ka nahi tamaam Musalmaano ka khayal hai. Farq sirf itna hai ke humaray yaha har doosra tatt poonjiya Quran-o-Hadith se apni marzi ka matlab akhaz kar ke mujtahidd bana apni dairh eent ki masjid nahi banata.

 

Ab kya kia jaye ke woh TAT-POONJYE mustanid hawalon ke saath baat kartye hai jis ki baharhal mukhalifat nahin ki jasaktim to janab phir ghumanye ke liye ilazm lagana shoroo kardetye hain ya phir ulama ki ghalitiyan dikhana shoroo kar detyen hain.....

To janab ghalati per kon hain........

 

Yasir Attari sahib

Janab kisi aalim, buzurg, sofi ki misal na dain bulke Quran-o-Hadith se misal dain woh bhi sahi

 

Barhye Karam akabir parasti ko chor kar Quran-o-Hadith ko Hujjat banayen

 

Abdul Salam

[Sybarite]

Janab Chalen main frustration main hi sahi, jesye aap khush,,,,,

janab main kam ilm hi sahi, lakin kia aap zara ani woh love marriage wali kahani dobara comma, inverted comma's and full stop ke saath biyan karengye???

 

Hazrat uss baat mein punctuation ki jaha zaroorat thi waha mein ne un ka istimaal zaroor kya, phir bhi agar aap ko lagta hai ke kahi ghalti hai tu bata dijiye wagarna meri nazar mein tu woh sahi andaaz mein hi likha huwa hai. Aap se agar Roman Urdu nahi parhi jaa rahi tu bata dijiye mein English mein translate kiye deta hun. Waisay aik baat ka tu pata chal hi gaya ke aap jawabi posts parhne ki zehmat hi nahi kartay warna uss post ke baad tu aap ne aik post ki thi. Agar koi baat samajh nahi aiee thi tu ussi post mein pooch liya hota.

 

Rahi baat aapkye Naad-e-Alliya ke Aqeedah honye ke silsilye main to janab,

Ab aap logon ke paas is ki koi sahi sanad to mojood hi nahin, Hatta ke Mulla Ali Qari (RAH) ne is ko Mouzooat-e-Kabeer main zikr bhi isi liey kia. Lakin aap hain ke jan boojh ker garhye main girne ki koshish kar rahye hain. Is ke parnhye per MUSHKIL KUSHAI KA AQEEDAH RAKHA HOUA HAI, ab is ko aqeedah nahin kahyen to kia kahen. aap ka to ye manna hai ke Jis ke Ali momin ke wali hain, or is ko na mannye wala momin hi nahin

 

Awwal tu ye Nad-e-Ali ki tafseeli behs yaha karna bekaar hai. Jaha aap se jawab talb kiya gaya hai waha aap abhi tak jawab dene se qaasir hain, albatta baat ko ghuma phira kar taqreeri andaaz mein kar ke topic to khainchay zaroor jaa rahay hain.

 

Nad-e-Ali ka aqaid mein ginnay ke baray mein aap farmatay hain ke iss mein Mushkil Kushai ka aqeeda aata hai tu hazrat Alhumdulillah Mushkil Kushai ke zaman mein humara aqeeda waisay hi wazeh hai. Aap ko agar iss aqeeday per hi aiteraaz karna tha tu uss ke liye Nad-e-Ali ko issue bananay ki tu koi tukk hi nahi banti? Nad-e-Ali ko aqaid mein ginnay ki tuk tu tab banti ke jab Mushkil Kushai ka aqeeda Nad-e-Ali per hi based hota, jab ke aisa nahi aur ye baat aap bhi jaantay hain.

 

Jahan tak baat hai DUR-GAT bannye ki to janab aap se jumlye bazi main to main jeet nahin sakta, lakin ye zaroor dikha sakta hon ke main is Dua (Dua-e-Sefi) hi ko ghalat sabit kar raha hon, lakin aap hain ke is per amal karnye walye ki misal de kar is ko jayez bata rahye hain, Ab aap kisi but(IDOL) parrast ki misal de ker IDOLISM ko sahi kahen to kia kehnye.

 

Hazrat mein yaha jeet haar ke liye tu aya hi nahi so ye jeet haar ki taqraar aap hi ko mubarak. Rahi baat Dua-e-Saifi ko ghalat sabit karne ki tu janab woh sari baatein tu baad mein aati hai pehlay tu aap uss thread mein paish kiye gaye seedhay se sawal ka hi jawab de dein. Aap se sawal hai Shah Wali Ullah ke baray mein aap jawab mein humein gumrahi ke garho ki kahaniya suna rahay hain. Fala parasti, dhimkana parasti ko rehne dijiye. Jo sawal waha poochay gaye hain ussi ka jawab de dejiye phir agay bhi baat karein gay.

 

Ab kya kia jaye ke woh TAT-POONJYE mustanid hawalon ke saath baat kartye hai jis ki baharhal mukhalifat nahin ki jasaktim to janab phir ghumanye ke liye ilazm lagana shoroo kardetye hain ya phir ulama ki ghalitiyan dikhana shoroo kar detyen hain.....

To janab ghalati per kon hain.

 

Kaun se mustanadd hawalay ki baat kar rahe hain janab? Shah Wali Ullah ki tardeed mein aap ne kis mustanadd Ghair'muqallid ka hawala paish kar diya? Quran-o-Hadith ko rootay hain magar na aap mein itni ghairat-o-himmat na hi aap ke muftiyo mein itni jurrat ke khull kar Shah Wali Ullah per wohi fatwa lagaye jo hum per lagatay hain. Iss zaman mein aap ki jamat ki mukhtasir daastan mein pehlay hi bayan kar chuka hon. Apnay mullo ke liye aap ki shariat kuch aur hai aur mukhalifeen ke liye kuch aur. Yehi kitab agar Shah Wali Ullah ke bajaye Ala Hazrat ke naam se quote ki jati tu Shirk aur Biddat ke fatwo ka dhair laga dete aap.

[Abdulsalam]

Hazrat uss baat mein punctuation ki jaha zaroorat thi waha mein ne un ka istimaal zaroor kya, phir bhi agar aap ko lagta hai ke kahi ghalti hai tu bata dijiye wagarna meri nazar mein tu woh sahi andaaz mein hi likha huwa hai. Aap se agar Roman Urdu nahi parhi jaa rahi tu bata dijiye mein English mein translate kiye deta hun. Waisay aik baat ka tu pata chal hi gaya ke aap jawabi posts parhne ki zehmat hi nahi kartay warna uss post ke baad tu aap ne aik post ki thi. Agar koi baat samajh nahi aiee thi tu ussi post mein pooch liya hota.

 

Main pehlye hi keh chuka hon ke main kam ilm hon... baraye meharbani aap us kahani ko dobara biyan kardain (behtar hoga ke urdu main)

behas baad main ho gi.

 

Awwal tu ye Nad-e-Ali ki tafseeli behs .................topic to khainchay zaroor jaa rahay hain.

Jawab tu aap ne delete kar di... ab aap na manein to kya kia jaye

 

 

Nad-e-Ali ka aqaid mein ginnay .........................Nad-e-Ali per hi based hota, jab ke aisa nahi aur ye baat aap bhi jaantay hain.

Janab masala to yahi hai ke SIRF Nad-e-Alliya per bsed nahin, bulkye is tarha ke bohat si mouzoo Ahadith-o-aqwal per based hai

lakin ye to mantye hain na ke ye un main se aik hai?? ya ye bhi nahin mantye aap??

jesa ke aap logon ke waseeka ke silsilye main istadlali hadit (agar ke woh sahi ho to and aap ke nazdeek sahi bhi hai) ka munkir, munkir-e-hadith kehlayega to janab emaan kahan rahye ga us ke paas aap ke nazariye se? to janab ye Mushkil Kushai ka AQEEDAh (Nad-e-Alliya) hi hoa na......

 

Hazrat mein yaha jeet haar ke liye tu aya hi nahi ............... Shah Wali Ullah ke baray mein aap jawab mein humein gumrahi ke garho ki kahaniya suna rahay hain. ............... dejiye phir agay bhi baat karein gay.

Jana Aa gaye na aap ghoom phir kar Shah Wali Ullah per....... ab aap ko kon samjhaye ke Shah Wali Ullah garhye man gir gaye (aap ke baqool) lakin khud to bachain bahi sahib... ye baat kion samajh nahin aa rahi???

ya phir aap baat ko tool de rahye hain ta ke is darmiyan sahyed kuch hawalye mil jayen denye ke liye......?

 

Kaun se mustanadd hawalay ki baat kar rahe hain janab? Shah Wali Ullah ki tardeed mein aap ne kis mustanadd Ghair'muqallid ka hawala ...............................Yehi kitab agar Shah Wali Ullah ke bajaye Ala Hazrat ke naam se quote ki jati tu Shirk aur Biddat ke fatwo ka dhair laga dete aap.

 

Janab Jesa ke main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per mabni har kitab is ka RADD hai, Murdon se waseela ke RADD main pesh ki gai har kitab is ka RADD hai ab aap ko our kis mustanid hawalye ki zaroorat hai.............

 

Bhai jis amal ki sanad Hazoor-e-Akram se na milti ho usye chor do... Allah ke liye or khud ke liye..........

ya phir kam se kam sirf wo amal karo jis main Allah ke hukam ya Rasool ke hukam ki mukhalifat na hoti ho

 

Abdul Salam

Edited 17 فروری 2009 by Abdulsalam

[Sybarite]

Main pehlye hi keh chuka hon ke main kam ilm hon... baraye meharbani aap us kahani ko dobara biyan kardain (behtar hoga ke urdu main)

behas baad main ho gi.

 

Hazrat woh post aap ko kya farsi mein likhi nazar aa rahi hai? Mein ne tu Urdu hi likhi ab iss Urdu ke ilawa doosri Urdu nahi aati mujhay janab.

 

Jawab tu aap ne delete kar di... ab aap na manein to kya kia jaye

 

Jawab delete nahi kar "di" balkay kar "diya", aur uss liye delete huwa ke woh jawab nahi siyaasi bayan baazi thi. Ab iss topic per wahi baat kijiye tu zyada behtar rahe ga.

 

Janab masala to yahi hai ke SIRF Nad-e-Alliya per bsed nahin, bulkye is tarha ke bohat si mouzoo Ahadith-o-aqwal per based hai

lakin ye to mantye hain na ke ye un main se aik hai?? ya ye bhi nahin mantye aap??

jesa ke aap logon ke waseeka ke silsilye main istadlali hadit (agar ke woh sahi ho to and aap ke nazdeek sahi bhi hai) ka munkir, munkir-e-hadith kehlayega to janab emaan kahan rahye ga us ke paas aap ke nazariye se? to janab ye Mushkil Kushai ka AQEEDAh (Nad-e-Alliya) hi hoa na

 

Ghair'mantaki si baat kar rahay hain. Chaliye ye tu aap maan hi gaye ke aqaid Nad-e-Ali per based balkay Nad-e-Ali based hai un aqaid per. Tu phir aap ne aiteraaz karna hai tu aqaid per kijiye, na ke zimni masail per. Aqeeday ko ghalat sabit kar dein gay tu zimni masail khud ba'khud ghalat sabit ho jaye gay.

 

Kehne ka maqsad ye ke Nad-e-Ali ko na tu farz qaraar diya gaya hai na wajib, tu phir ye dua aqeeday mein kaisay shamil ho gai? Nad-e-Ali ko aqaid mein tu tab gina jaa sakta hai ke jab ye aqeeday ke silsilay mein ye koi farz ya wajib ya Quran se bhi zyada muqaddam ho, jab ke aisa nahi hai. Nad-e-Ali ko bil'farz ghalat maan bhi liya jaye tu iss se aqeeda ghalat sabit nahi hoga, kyu ke aqeeday ki bunyaad Nad-e-Ali nahi. Tu phir bila'waja murghi ki aik taang ke misdaaq Nad-e-Ali per hi kyu atak gaye hain. Uss per aiteraaz karne ka haqq zaroor hai aap ko lekin ab isay aqeeday ki bunyaad bana kar awaam ki aankho mein dhool tu naa jhoonkiye.

 

Jana Aa gaye na aap ghoom phir kar Shah Wali Ullah per....... ab aap ko kon samjhaye ke Shah Wali Ullah garhye man gir gaye (aap ke baqool) lakin khud to bachain bahi sahib... ye baat kion samajh nahin aa rahi???

ya phir aap baat ko tool de rahye hain ta ke is darmiyan sahyed kuch hawalye mil jayen denye ke liye......?

 

Janab humein bachane ki fiker chooriye aap sirf chand seedhay se sawalo ka seedha sa jawab de dijiye bus. Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah ke baray mein sawalaat koi zyada paischeeda bhi nahi. Aap kehien tu jawab ke samples likh do? Aur baat ko tool tu aap de rahay hain janab, warna asaan sa tareeqa tu ye hai ke jaisa sawal hai waisa seedha sa jawab de dijiye aur phir humari gardan pakar lijiye ke ab jawab de diya, ab agay ki baat karo. Lekin na'janay kyu iss ke jawab dene ki baari per aap ki zaban per talay parr jatay hain.

 

Hum kaun sa keh rahe hain ke Shah Wali Ullah se Islam shuru hai aur unhi per khatam, lekin uss behes mein agar Shah sahab ke baray mein aik sawal poocha hai tu jawab dene mein mout kyu aa rahi hai?

 

Janab Jesa ke main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per mabni har kitab is ka RADD hai, Murdon se waseela ke RADD main pesh ki gai har kitab is ka RADD hai ab aap ko our kis mustanid hawalye ki zaroorat hai

 

Tauheed per mabni her kitaab ya Wahabi-sakhta tauheed per mabni her kitaab jis ke hisaab se siwaye Wahabiyo ke tamaam agli pichli ummat mushrik teharti hai? Tauheed per tu Iblis ka bhi yaqeen hai bilkul aap ki tarah!

 

Bhai jis amal ki sanad Hazoor-e-Akram se na milti ho usye chor do... Allah ke liye or khud ke liye..........

ya phir kam se kam sirf wo amal karo jis main Allah ke hukam ya Rasool ke hukam ki mukhalifat na hoti ho

 

Hazrat Sanad ki tu baat hi na karein! Aap ghair'muqallideen ko apnay ghar ki kharab nahi doosray per Shirk ki machine-gun chalaye jatay hain.

 

Chaliye aap sirf AIK sahih/sareeh/marfoo'/ghair'muhtamil hadith paish kardein ke namaz-e-witr mein ruk'u ke baad Imam bulund awaaz se dua-e-qunoot parhay aur muqtadi sirf ameen ameen karein.

[Smart.Guy.Cool]

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Sybrite bhai kese hain aur sab log kese hain....anti brelvi sahab wese nam acha hai yahan bhi koi rakh le ga anti thanve anti gangohi amti darbhangi....darbhangi ajeeb sa nam hai kya wo bhangi the kher....bhai mere mohtaram janab aali jah app ki khidmat mai arz kar raha hon ke yar sybrite bhai ne sabot pesh kiye hain tu manne mai kya masla hai agar app ke pas kuch aese sabot hain jo se related hai barsi se ke ji hum aese nahi karte tu zara dikhao na chawalen mat maro yar

[Abdulsalam]

Janab Syberite sahib

 

Hazrat woh post aap ko kya farsi mein likhi nazar aa rahi hai? Mein ne tu Urdu hi likhi ab iss Urdu ke ilawa doosri Urdu nahi aati mujhay janab.

 

Bhai sahib agar Roman Urdu ya Urdu main punctuation ke saath dobara likh daingye to kia qayamat aa jayegi, ya phir koi khas wajah hai na likhnye ki??

 

Ghair'mantaki si baat kar rahay hain. Chaliye ye tu aap maan hi gaye ke aqaid Nad-e-Ali per based balkay Nad-e-Ali based .................................................Kehne ka maqsad ye ke Nad-e-Ali ko na tu farz qaraar diya gaya hai na wajib, tu phir ye dua aqeeday mein kaisay shamil .........kho mein dhool tu naa jhoonkiye.

Nad-e-Alliya se aap ka aqqeda-e-Mushkil kushai hi to sabit ho ti hai, chalain aap hi bata dain ke agar main is Riwayat ko or Hazrat Ali ko mushkil kusha na manon to aap mujhye kia kahengye????

Pehlye is riwayat ko ghalat man lain phir doorsi riwayat ka number bhi aa jayega,

 

 

Janab humein bachane ki fiker chooriye aap sirf chand seedhay se sawalo ka seedha sa jawab de dijiye bus. Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah ke baray mein sawalaat koi zyada paischeeda bhi nahi. Aap kehien tu jawab ke samples likh do? Aur baat ko tool tu aap de rahay hain janab, warna asaan sa tareeqa tu ye hai ke jaisa sawal hai waisa seedha sa jawab de dijiye aur phir humari gardan pakar lijiye ke ab jawab de diya, ab agay ki baat karo. Lekin na'janay kyu iss ke jawab dene ki baari per aap ki zaban per talay parr jatay hain.

 

Sawalat ke Jawabat post ker diye hain, mulahiza karain

 

Tauheed per mabni her kitaab ya Wahabi-sakhta tauheed per mabni her kitaab jis ke hisaab se siwaye Wahabiyo ke tamaam agli pichli ummat mushrik teharti hai? Tauheed per tu Iblis ka bhi yaqeen hai bilkul aap ki tarah!

Main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per Likhi har kitab or Shirk ke radd main likhi har kitab is ka radd hai to phir aap ka kehna ke “Humaraye nazarya ke mutabiq likhi Shirk ke radd hone ki sorrat main…” to janab agar humarye nazarya ke mutabiq ho tabhi to radd kehlayegi warna aap ke nazarya ke tehat to ye (Ma Fouq ul Asbab ke tehahat mangna) Shirk hi nahin. Aap ke nazdeek to shirk sirf Butoon ya ghair jandar se amngnya ya Ibadat karna per hi sirf Shirk kehlata warna or Shirk –e- Khafi main mubtla rahna koi mas-ala nahin. To phir baqool aap ke humarye ulama ka radd humarye hi nazarye ke mutabiq hoga na ke aap ke.

 

 

Hazrat Sanad ki tu baat hi na karein!

Baat agar nagawar na guzrye to guzarish araz hai ke main ne aayena dikha diya hai lakin har koi khofzada hai jhoot ka chehra dekhnye se. lehaza koi amal sirf is waja se nahin karna chahiye ke is per aap ke ulama ka amal hai, un se ghalati bhi ho sakti hai, lehaza amal ki sanad dhoondhye, us ka makhaz maloom karain, tehqeeq karain, sirf taqleedan is per amal pera nah on

 

Ab baraye meharbani Shah Wali Ullah (RAH) ka peecha chorain or apnye amal ko dekhain, Ab main is behas (Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah (RAH) ki shakhsiyat) ko yahin khatam karta hon

 

Chaliye aap sirf AIK sahih/sareeh/marfoo'/ghair'muhtamil hadith paish kardein ke namaz-e-witr mein ruk'u ke baad Imam bulund awaaz se dua-e-qunoot parhay aur muqtadi sirf ameen ameen karein.

Jahan tak aapka sawal Qonoot-e-Witer main rokoo ke baad Qonoot or Hath utha ker dua mangny ke silsilye main hai to janab, Witr main rooko ke baad Dua-e-Qonoot ki koi marfoo hadith nahin hai, sab ki sab zaeef hain, han sirf hath utha kar Dua mangnye ke silsilye main Masnaf Abi Sheeba main kuch aasar miltye hain, jis ki bina per Dua-e-Qonoot main Kuch log haat uthatye hain, Aap jis qonoot ki, jo ke Rokoo ke baad parhi jati hai, ki baat kar rahye hain usye Qonoot-e-Nazla kehtye hain (Yaqeenan aap ko bhi ilm hoga), or Sunnan Abu Dawood ki riwayat ke mutabiq Hazoor e Akram ne aik maheenye main panch namazon main Qonoot-e-Nazla parhi or Sahaba Ikram ne aap ke peechye Aameen kahi (Dawood, Babul Witer, Babul Qonoot fis-slat, Hakim, Zehbi or Khazeema ne sahi kaha hai

 

Bukhari-o-Muslim ke riwayat ke mutabiq Hazoor-e-Akram kisi baddua ya dua ki soorat main Aakhri rikat main Rokoo ke baad Ounchi awaz ke saath dua kartye,

 

Bukhari, Babu-tafseer, Hadith# 4559, 4560, 4598, 6200, 6393,

Muslim, Almasajid, Bab Istijab al Qonoot, fi Jamie-as-Salat, Hadith# 675

 

Abdul Salam

Edited 24 فروری 2009 by Abdulsalam

[Sybarite]

Bhai sahib agar Roman Urdu ya Urdu main punctuation ke saath dobara likh daingye to kia qayamat aa jayegi, ya phir koi khas wajah hai na likhnye ki??

 

Hazrat Roman Urdu ya Urdu ke qawaid ke hisaab se jitni punctuation ka istimaal hona chahiye tha woh mein ne apni bisaat ke mutabiq kar liya, ab aap ko kahi koi ghalti nazar aati hai tu bata dein mein usay theek kar ke dobara likh deta hun. Warna mere hisaab se tu Urdu qawaid ke mutabiq uss statement mein punctuation ka sahi istimaal kiya hai.

 

Nad-e-Alliya se aap ka aqqeda-e-Mushkil kushai hi to sabit ho ti hai, chalain aap hi bata dain ke agar main is Riwayat ko or Hazrat Ali ko mushkil kusha na manon to aap mujhye kia kahengye????

 

Pehlye is riwayat ko ghalat man lain phir doorsi riwayat ka number bhi aa jayega,

 

Hazrat riwayat ke sahi ya ghalat honay ko beech mein ghaseetnay se koi faida nahi, topic divert nahi honay don ga mein. Nad-e-Ali se be'shak Mushkil'kushai ka aqeeda sabit hota hai lekin iss aqeeday ki bunyaad Nad-e-Ali tu nahi hai. Bil'farz Nad-e-Ali ki riwayaat ko ghalat maan bhi lya jaye tu kya iss se Mushkil Kushai ka aqeeda bhi ghalat sabit ho jaye ga? Har'gizz nahi! Nad-e-Ali ke mustanadd ya ghair'mustanadd honay se Mushkil Kushai ke aqeeday per tu farq nahi parna, tu phir aap kaisay iss Dua ko aqaid ke zumray mein kis usool ke tehat gin rahay hain?

 

Sawalat ke Jawabat post ker diye hain, mulahiza karain

 

Aap ne kitnay sawalaat ke jawab diye aur unn jawabaat mein kitni ghair'zaroori batein ghussa kar gool mool baat ki aap khud jantay hain. Lihaza woh post tu delete ho chuki aur aap ko private message ke through send bhi kardi hai takay tasheeh kar ke sahi se post karne mein aasani ho.

 

Main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per Likhi har kitab or Shirk ke radd main likhi har kitab is ka radd hai to phir aap ka kehna ke “Humaraye nazarya ke mutabiq likhi Shirk ke radd hone ki sorrat main…” to janab agar humarye nazarya ke mutabiq ho tabhi to radd kehlayegi warna aap ke nazarya ke tehat to ye (Ma Fouq ul Asbab ke tehahat mangna) Shirk hi nahin. Aap ke nazdeek to shirk sirf Butoon ya ghair jandar se amngnya ya Ibadat karna per hi sirf Shirk kehlata warna or Shirk –e- Khafi main mubtla rahna koi mas-ala nahin. To phir baqool aap ke humarye ulama ka radd humarye hi nazarye ke mutabiq hoga na ke aap ke.

 

“Humaraye nazarya ke mutabiq likhi Shirk ke radd hone ki sorrat main…”

 

Ye baat mein ne iss pooray topic mein kab aur kaha likh di? Mein apni sari posts dobara check karli kahi bhi nahi mili ye baat! Tauheed per mabni aur shirk ke radd mein likhi har kitaab ke jawab mein tu mein ne ye baat kahi hi nahi, aap na'janay kis ki post mere sarr thoop rahay hain. Aap pehlay meri posts ko dhiyaan se parhiye phir reply karein.

 

Aap ne ye baat youn start ki thi;

 

Janab Jesa ke main ne kaha tha ke Toheed per mabni har kitab is ka RADD hai, Murdon se waseela ke RADD main pesh ki gai har kitab is ka RADD hai ab aap ko our kis mustanid hawalye ki zaroorat hai

 

Tu iss ke jawab mein ne aap se kaha tha;

 

Tauheed per mabni her kitaab ya Wahabi-sakhta tauheed per mabni her kitaab jis ke hisaab se siwaye Wahabiyo ke tamaam agli pichli ummat mushrik teharti hai? Tauheed per tu Iblis ka bhi yaqeen hai bilkul aap ki tarah!

Aur ab jo mantak aap paish kar rahay hain ke aap humara radd apnay nazariye aur apni kutb se karein gay tu matlab kal ko qadiani agar apnay nazariye aur apni kutb se aap ko ghalat sabit kare ga tu aap unn qadianiyo ki daleel ko bhi qubool kar lein gay? Apnay nazriyat ko pehlay sahi tu sabit kijiye phir radd karne ki bari aye gi.

 

Aap ko agar radd karna hai tu Quran-o-Hadith se radd kijiye, ya Aqwal-e-Aimma se ghalat sabit kijiye. Aap ke ghar ke mullay Quran ke kya maani ghartay hain, hadith ke kya mafhoom lete hain iss se humein kya lena dena? Apnay mullao ke nazriyatt ko hum per musallat karna radd nahi balkay hatt'dharmi kehlaye ga. Aap ke munaazir hazrat munaziray mein kya tamaam hawalaat Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi aur Ibn Taymiyya se dete hain?

 

 

Baat agar nagawar na guzrye to guzarish araz hai ke main ne aayena dikha diya hai lakin har koi khofzada hai jhoot ka chehra dekhnye se. lehaza koi amal sirf is waja se nahin karna chahiye ke is per aap ke ulama ka amal hai, un se ghalati bhi ho sakti hai, lehaza amal ki sanad dhoondhye, us ka makhaz maloom karain, tehqeeq karain, sirf taqleedan is per amal pera nah on

 

Hazrat mein do took, seedhi baatein karne ka aadi hun, mujh se ye siyaasi andaaz mein taqreer na ki jati hain na suni jati hai tu baray'meherbaani in se perhaiz kijiye. Aap yaha novel likhnay nahi aye, na koi akhbaari column likh rahay hain. To the point baat karne mein pata nahi aap ko mout kyu aati hai.

 

Ab baraye meharbani Shah Wali Ullah (RAH) ka peecha chorain or apnye amal ko dekhain, Ab main is behas (Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah (RAH) ki shakhsiyat) ko yahin khatam karta hon

 

Mein tu pehlay hi keh chuka ke Shah Waliullah walay mamlay ko, Nad-e-Ali ke mamlay ko iss topic mein ghaseetnay bekaar hai. Aap hi iss mamlay ko har doosray topic mein liye phir rahay hain, lihaza iss baar iss ka jawab mein yaha iss topic mein nahi do ga. Shah Waliullah walay maslay per ussi topic mein baat kartay hain.

 

Jahan tak aapka sawal Qonoot-e-Witer main rokoo ke baad Qonoot or Hath utha ker dua mangny ke silsilye main hai to janab, Witr main rooko ke baad Dua-e-Qonoot ki koi marfoo hadith nahin hai, sab ki sab zaeef hain, han sirf hath utha kar Dua mangnye ke silsilye main Masnaf Abi Sheeba main kuch aasar miltye hain, jis ki bina per Dua-e-Qonoot main Kuch log haat uthatye hain, Aap jis qonoot ki, jo ke Rokoo ke baad parhi jati hai, ki baat kar rahye hain usye Qonoot-e-Nazla kehtye hain (Yaqeenan aap ko bhi ilm hoga), or Sunnan Abu Dawood ki riwayat ke mutabiq Hazoor e Akram ne aik maheenye main panch namazon main Qonoot-e-Nazla parhi or Sahaba Ikram ne aap ke peechye Aameen kahi (Dawood, Babul Witer, Babul Qonoot fis-slat, Hakim, Zehbi or Khazeema ne sahi kaha hai

 

Bukhari-o-Muslim ke riwayat ke mutabiq Hazoor-e-Akram kisi baddua ya dua ki soorat main Aakhri rikat main Rokoo ke baad Ounchi awaz ke saath dua kartye,

 

Bukhari, Babu-tafseer, Hadith# 4559, 4560, 4598, 6200, 6393,

Muslim, Almasajid, Bab Istijab al Qonoot, fi Jamie-as-Salat, Hadith# 675

 

Janab mera sawal kya hai aur aap ka jawab kya, khud hi dekh lijiye ik nazar!

 

Waisay jin ahadith ka ap zikr kar rahay hain unhay quote bhi kar dete tu kya baat thi!

[Abdulsalam]

 

 

Aaj mujhye pata chala ke "Sofistism" ki taareef Younanion ke nazdeek ye kion hai "baat ko pecheeda ker ke istlahat ka istimal ker ke ghuma phira ker bayan kernye walye"

 

Nazarya ya Saakhta ye donon alag hain kia? hum (baqool aap ke apnye aalim) koi rad karengye aap ke nazdeek wohi raad sahi mana jayga jo ke humarye nazarye ke mutabiq ho warna aap ka ye kehna baja ho ga ke humarye lenye ke or denye ke baat alag hain

 

Aap ne poocha tha ke

"Chaliye aap sirf AIK sahih/sareeh/marfoo'/ghair'muhtamil hadith paish kardein ke namaz-e-witr mein ruk'u ke baad Imam bulund awaaz se dua-e-qunoot parhay aur muqtadi sirf ameen ameen karein."

Is ke details aap ko di hai ab aap chahtye hain ke main aap logon ki tarha sirf hadith(zaroori nahin ke sahi, zaeef, mardood ho) qoute karon to muaf kijye ga mujhye aadat hai logon ko tamam batin batanye ki

 

Isi liye main kehta hon ke sirf apni marzi ki jo sunna chahye ga woh wahin rahye ga jahan woh hai....

 

main koi novel likh bhi nahin raha tha na hi koi irada hai... han hat dharmi per agar kuch likhnye ka mood hoa to yahan is forum per bohat sari misalyen hain

 

kia aap batana pasand karengye ke aap ne ye sawal (Roko ke baad Hath utha kar dua.....) kion kia??

 

Seedha sa jawab yahi hai ke "aap ye mat dekhyen ke mar janye walye logon ne kia kiya, doosrye log kiya kar rahye hain, aap ko ye dekhna chahye ke aap ka kiya amal hai, woh maqbool bhi ho sakta hai ya nahin..... or is ke liye behtreen kitab Quran-o-Sunnat, is ke baad aqwal-e-Sahaba(RA), Amal-e-Sahaba hai... or in ki jagha koi or nahin le sakta

jo usool Hadith ke silsilye main mad-e-nazar rakhye jatye hain us ke tehat hi aap apna muhasibah karian

Aap ke tanzeem ka slogon hai"mujhye apni or sarye duniya ke logon ke islah ki koshish karni hai"

to apni islah sab se pehlye dossron ke is ke baad.

 

Or yahi wajah hai ke hum sab se pehlye apni islah ki taraf dhiyan detye hain or us ke baad doosron ki

 

Mujhye shak hai ke aap or aap ke log is jawab ko bhi SIYASI BAYAN BAZI qarar de kar bhool jayengye ya phir delete ker daaingye....

mujhye koi khas faraq nahin parta kion ke main apna faraz ada kar rahah hon or karta rahonga Insha Allah

 

Abdul Salam