RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 Yaqeen keren baee tab bee nahin ma'neh gay, aap Allah ka Quran pesh ker denh tab bee nahin ma'neh gay. In bicharoon ko pata nahin kay in kay uqabir guru shoroon meh Sunni thay, magir BAAD meh WAHABI ho gahay. Abh yeh ilmi yateem tasleem nahin kerna chahtay kay ham Aqahid meh Wahabi hen. Tasleem kee toh baat nahin, in ko pata hee nahin kay haqiqat kia heh, kahan say Deobandiat shoron huwi aur kahan per jaa ker khatam hogi. Deobandi'at kay guru Sunni thay, jinoon nay Wahabiat ko ikhtiyaar keeya, puranay aqahid ko chor deeya aur news ko pehlaya. Magir Keyun kay chand logoon ko nay Wahabiat ko ikhtiyaar kia thah, joh main main logh thay ...is leyeh chotay motay Wahabiat say bachay thay, aur yahee waja heh kay, Deobandi ka ek maulvi Mushkil Kusha ko Shirk likhta heh, aur dosra wohi ilfaaz istimaal kerta heh jis ko pehlay nay Shirk likha thah. Aur abh, is'see waja say Deobandi doh sects meh bat chukay hen, Hayaati aur Mamati. Mamati joh Aqahid meh pakkay WaHabi hen. Chand ek logoon kee waja say yeh sab gumrah ho chukay hen. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toheedi Bhai مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 Ehlo, new topi darama, Mushkil Kusha Tambakooh ho toh SHIRK nahin, kissi Wali ko maan loh toh Shirk ho jata heh. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Tambakooh Shirk heh, shirk shirk shirk shirk, joh tambakooh peeyeh shirk shirk shirk :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peer2009 مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 22 مارچ 2009 Radiating ali aap ki zuban ko ekh ker yahi lagtahe ke tarbiyet kessy he lagta he aap ko jo bataya jata he ke bahyee conrol rako but holle olle. itne belagame dena achi bat nahi. jiss terha aap ne baat ki he ne mery pass woh batien hien ke tumhari rroh tak kaaamp jaye. is liya yeh bazari zban apne paas rakho. jo insan zuban ka itna bura us ka madhab bhi esa he toi yeh galiuoon walal madhab aap ko mubark aap koto sahrem bhi nahi ke munafikat kis smoon se nabi pak ka dedar karo ge bache hadith perho alal hazret ki kitabon ko coro quran perho. kaba ko tor dnea itan bara gunnah nahi kissi musleman ko gali dena us se bhi bara gunnah he. aur yahan to gali farz samjh ker di jate he . aap logo ki zuban theek nahi madhab kahak theek ho ga. ager me bralvi hota to doob ker hi mar jata. is liya me kahmosh hoon kuch kheta nahi kiuoon ke meri tarbiyet parhe likhe family se howi he. warna is se bahr ker bhijawab mil jata. umeed he ke ainda zubanko control ker ke aur ache ikhlaq se bat karo to me sochon ke aap ki family achi he. waran chup hi raho tohidi bhayee . yeh chutkulle bahut ho gaye miyan duniya chand per pahucnh gaye he abhi tak aap dhutti se nahi nikle. in batoon se bahut se bralvi bralviyet se moon morh chukkey hein. i sliya essy chutkaloon per sirf me hans sakta hoon . apa ki jo marzi aye post ker do. sannu ki. sirf dosry wah wah karein ge. isse me kush raho bus. ilem name ki chieze hi nahi. iek hi bat kahon ga shiya bralvi bahye bahyee. aap ne jo suni ka libadah ora he na is ko phenk do. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhleSunnat مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Radiating ali aap ki zuban ko ek.. jis ko Haq sun kar Haq parh kar aur Haq daikh kar hansi aaiy aur jis baat par Musalmano mai fitna phailaya faasad machaya wohi apnay ghar mai daikh kar usay chutkula kah kay aap jan churaiay tu aap say bara baihaya aur deni ghairat say bayparwa shaks koi nahee. Allah azzwajal hamain Deen e islam ki ghairat naseeb farmaiay aur bayhaya baysharam bayhammiyat wahabio kay fitnay say hamain bachaiay aamin. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Radiating ali aap ki zuban ko ekh ker yahi lagtahe ke tarbiyet kessy he lagta he aap ko jo bataya jata he ke bahyee conrol rako but holle olle. itne belagame dena achi bat nahi. jiss terha aap ne baat ki he ne mery pass woh batien hien ke tumhari rroh tak kaaamp jaye. is liya yeh bazari zban apne paas rakho. jo insan zuban ka itna bura us ka madhab bhi esa he toi yeh galiuoon walal madhab aap ko mubark aap koto sahrem bhi nahi ke munafikat kis smoon se nabi pak ka dedar karo ge bache hadith perho alal hazret ki kitabon ko coro quran perho. Mujjay hujjateh mat kero, khabees insaan, muj per shirk ka fatwah deh, Mujjay Mushrik, yehni Kaffir sabit keray, aur mujjay kahay kay zubaan ko lagaam doon. Aur yeh zubaan Quran aur Hadith say sabit nah ker doon, sakhti, un logoon say sakhti joh Rasoolallah kee shaan meh gustakhiyoon ko Toheed, Ismail Dehalvi jesay khabees kaffir ka dafa keray, aur gustakhiyan keray, us kay leyeh toh Allah nay farmaya heh: ... la taqulu rai'na wa qulu unzurna wasma'u wa lil kafireena azabun azeem ... wallazina ma'a'hu a'shidda alal kuffari ... hat'ta yamees Al Khabees minat'tayib ... utul'lum bada zalika zaneem ... sanasimuhu alal khurtoom ... tab'bat yada abi lahabiv wa tab ... wam ra'atu hammalatal khatab. Fi jeediha hablum mim masad. Tarjumah: ... Raina na bolo, unzurna bola kero aur suna kero, kaffiroon kay leyeh bot sakht azaab heh, joh imaan lahay kaffiroon kay sath sakht hen .... jab taq tayiboon ko khabeesoon say paak nah ker deh ... jagralloo beh'asal {haram kee ulaad heh} ... soowar kee shakal per daagh denh gay ... taba ho jahay abi lahab taba ho hee gaya ...us kee biwi lakriyoon ka gath'ta sar per utha'hay phiray is kay galay pansi ka phanda ... Mafoom: Raina jesay doh mafoom walay ilfaaz mat bolo, balkay esay ilfaaz say mukhatib kero jin say toheen e RasoolAllah ka pehloo nah niklay, aur pehlay hee ghor say suna kero taqay dobara nah pochna peray. Aur joh Kafir esay gustakhana mafoom rakhnay walay ilfaaz boltay hen un kaffiroon kay leyeh jahanum meh azaab heh. Keyun kay Deobandi Wahabi gustakh hen, Imaan walay, Momin, Sahabah, Sunni, kaffiroon kay saath sakht hen, Kaffir aur Munafiq khabees hen aur Allah tallah nay wada keeya heh kay \Allah Khabeesoon say sahih ul aqeedah, muttaqiyoon say door ker deh ga, RasoolAllah kay gustakh Abdullah Ibn Abai harami kee Deobandi Wahabi harami gustakh, jagralu aur soowar kee shakal wali nasal jin kee soowar wali shakal per Allah daagh lagahay ga, Allah kee sunnat per amal kertay huwayu, Wahabio, Deobandiyo, Nabi kay gustakho, Abi Lahab gustakh kaffir kee sunnat per amal kernay walay gustakh kaffiro, tumaray haath too'teh, taba ho jaho, tumari biwi bachay, maan baap, mar jahen, un ko pansi ka panda ahay. Wahabi, Deobandi Fasiqeen, Zalimoon, per Allah kee lanat, aur malaika kee lanat. Yeh meri nahin, meray Rab kee sunnat, Sahabah kee sunnat kay woh gustakhoon kay saath sakhti kertay thay, mera rab nay toh RasoolAllah kay gustakh ko harami be farma deeya, hat'ta kay gustakh kaffir Abi Lahab kee gustakhi per Allah ko jalal aya ... toh puri surat utaari, Abi Lahab aur us kee biwi kay mutaliq ... Mujjay toh tooh maan behan, biwi kee galiyan deh sakta heh, meray Rasool sallalahu alayhi was'salam kee toheen ko Tawheed tehra sakta heh, meray Nabi kay gustakhoon ko Shaheed, Hakeem Ul Ummat, Munazir e Islam, kay title to deh sakta heh, magir Allah per kia irada heh, Allah tallah ko be gali doh gay, ya yeh kaho gay kay: AHMAD RAZA ENGREZ KA AGENT THAH US NAY QURAN BADAL DEEYA, KEYUN KAY YEH QURAN BARELWI KEE SIDE DETA HEH. Meh dankay kee chot'h kehta hoon kay Ismail Dehalvi jab mara toh SOOWAR KEE SHAKAL US KEE, keyun kay mera Rab kabi jhoot nahin bolta, Ismail Dehalvi Haram kee ulaad thah, KAFFIR THAH, JAHANUM MEH USSAY SAB SAY NICHLAY DARJAY MEH DALA GAYA HEH, sirf Ismail Dehalvi nahin, Ashraf Ali Thanvi be, soowar kee shakal wala thah, haram kee ulaad thah. Aur Ghalam Ullah khaan toh soowar kee shakal kay saath mara thah aur UAE say jab soowar kee body behji gahee toh upper likha thah, meray ilfaaz meh: Soowar kee shakal dekhnay kay qabil nahin heh, moon say peshaab beh raha heh, yeh sach batanay kay qabil nahin heh, kaffir kee mot'h mara thah, janazay kay kabil nain heh. Aur sirf chand logoon nay us kee soowar wali thuni dekhi aur rishtay daroon nay dafna deeya, awaam ko bataya be nahn gaya kay is ka janaza heh. Aaur aakhir meh, yeh ilfaaz, yah andaaz, yeh lehja, yeh agressiveness mujjay kissi aur say nahin, KISSI BARELWI RAZA KHANI say nahin, balkay ahle haq ulamah e Deoband, say hee mila heh, mera lehja, sab kuch DEOBANDIYOON kee ata heh, MEH DEOBANDI thah joh alhamdulillah Sunni huwa. Ilmi Yateemoon ko laat mari, aur Ilm waloon say wasta jora. kaba ko tor dnea itan bara gunnah nahi kissi musleman ko gali dena us se bhi bara gunnah he.aur yahan to gali farz samjh ker di jate he . aap logo ki zuban theek nahi madhab kahak theek ho ga. ager me bralvi hota to doob ker hi mar jata. is liya me kahmosh hoon kuch kheta nahi kiuoon ke meri tarbiyet parhe likhe family se howi he. warna is se bahr ker bhijawab mil jata. umeed he ke ainda zubanko control ker ke aur ache ikhlaq se bat karo to me sochon ke aap ki family achi he. waran chup hi raho Acha abh tummeh musalmanoon kay ihsa'saat, jazbaat, haqooq, yaad agahay, lanti insaan mujjay, Musalmaan ko, Sunniyoon ko Mushrik yehni kaffir, qabar parast, peer parast, yehni qabroon kee ibadat kernay wala, peroon kee ibadat kernay wala, Mushrik, bolay, din raat meray aqeedah e Tawheed kee nafi ko sabit kernay kee koshish keray, mujjay kaffir sabit kernay kee koshish keray, keyun kay joh qabroon kee pooja keray woh kaffir hota heh, sara din Sunniyoon ko Mushrik, MUSHRIK, MUSHRIK, MUSHRIK, MUSHRIK, MUSHRIK, KERAY toh tooh nay yeh nahin socha kay meh EK MUSALMAAN KO, KALMAH GOH KO, MUSHRIK {WOH KAFFIR JOH ALLAH KEE WAHDANIYAT KA MUNKIR HO}, aur pata nahin kia kia gali deh, yeh itni bari gali tooh mujjay deh, Mushrik jesi gali us gunnah ka tummeh kohi khauf nahin, tummeh yeh pata nahin kay RasoolAllah nay farmaya thah kay meri Ummat Shirk nahin keray gee, tujjay yeh pata nahn kay tuj per yeh Mushrikka fatwah lot'ta heh, keyun kay tumaray mushrik kehna aur RasoolAllah kee tardeed e Shirk e Ummat kee bina per tum khud Mushrik kaffir tehartay ho. Us ka tummeh khauf nahin kay tooh musalmanoon ko KAFFIR keh raha heh, aur woh takfir tum per loth rahi heh, tummeh yeh nahin pata kay kitnay muwahideen ka dil dukhta heh teri esi batoon say is gunna ka pata heh, aur tooh din raat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi Rahimullah Alayhi Tallah ko gali doh, tummeh pata nahin Hadith kia kehti heh joh RasooolAllah ka difa keray us kay mutaliq: Sahih Bukhari, Book 73, Number 171: Narrated 'Aisha:Hassan bin Thabit asked the permission of Allah's Apostle to lampoon the pagans (in verse). Allah's Apostle said, "What about my fore-fathers (ancestry)?' Hassan said (to the Prophet) "I will take you out of them as a hair is taken out of dough." Narrated Hisham bin 'Urwa that his father said, "I called Hassan with bad names in front of 'Aisha." She said, "Don't call him with bad names because he used to defend Allah's Apostle (against the pagans)." Hadith say sabit heh kay joh RasoolAllah ka diffa keray, us ko bura kehna Sahabah nay jahiz nahin tehraya. Tooh sirf is leyeh Imam Ahmad Raza ko gali deta heh kay un'noon nay Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Ismail Dehalvi, Khalil Ambethvi, kee gustakhiyoon per girift kee. Allah tujjay gharq keray ga, dunya meh thora nakhra heh, ker leh, magir qayamat kay din tooh aur mera Imam Allah kay darbaar meh hoon gay, phir andi'at, qani'at kuch denay wali nahin. Magir tumaray mazhib meh Imam Ahmad Raza Rahimullah alayhi tallah ko gali dena, subho say leh ker shaam taq tabar'ra kerna jesay ek arqaan heh Deobandiat ka, jurm yeh keeya Imam nay kay Ismail Dehalvi kee kuffria ibaraat, Ashraf Ali Thanvi kee kufria ibarat, Khalil Ambethvi kee gustakhana ibaraat, per girift kee, aur woh be is niyat say kay, agir in ko notice meh na laya gaya toh yeh awaam meh pehal jahen gee, aur jahil awaam, phir yeh jumlay istimaal keren gay aur RasoolAllah kee toheen kay murtaqib hoon gay, aur imaan o islam say kharij hoon gay, sirf is nekh niyati, deeni khidmat kee waja say, Deobandiat nay Imam per jhoot per jhoot, mansoob keray, ek hee mimbar say Imam Ahmad Raza kay Shiat kay kuffr ko biyaan kerna aur un ko kafir kehna sabit keray, aur phir wohi Deobandi shaam ko Imam Ahmad Raza ko Shia sabit kernay kee koshish keray, rule ek hee heh Deobandiyoon meh, jhoot, kazb biyaani, faraad sab ko saath leh ker chalo agir Deobandiat ko perwaan charwana heh toh, jab shia kay khilaaf toh Imam kay fatway pesh kero kay Ahmad raza nay shia ko kaffir, balkay kuffr kay inqaar ko be kuffr bataya heh, phir moqa badla awaam badli, toh wohi guru joh Imam Ahmad raza say shia ka kuffr sabit ker raha thah wohi Imam Ahmad Raza ko shia sabit kernay lagay. Meh pera likha nahin hoon, sirf 3 JAMMAT PASS HOON aur 4th jammat shoroon huwi thee toh England aa gaya thah, is leyeh meh kohi pera likha nahin hoon, aur nah meh kohi mo'aziz aadmi hoon, jin logoon kay saath raha hoon, yehni Deobandi, toh lejah sab kuch un'neeh jesa heh, bas Allah ka karam huwa kay Allah tallah nay Qaani taqleed say najaat dilwahi aur tehqeeq kay rastay per gamzaan keeya, aur haq kee talash kay wastay sab say pehlay RESPECT ko chora, keyun kay maulviyoon, peroon, Allamahoon, Mufityoon, kee respect, un kay ilm kee respect sab chori, waja kia huwi, kay aqsar haq bat samaj aa rahi hoti heh, magir kissi baray aalim kay point of view ko apni soch kay khilaaf paya toh apnay point ko chor deeya aur taqleed ker leeh, aur dosra number per, sense of belonging, kay meh Barelwi hoon, Deobandi hoon, Wahabi hoon, is sense of belonging ko apnay say door keeya, wajah keyun kay, sense of belonging insaan ko anda ker deta heh, jahiz ko najaiz aur najaiz ko jahiz ker deta heh, Pakistani Indians ko hate kertay hen, waja kay woh India say hen, is'see tera barelwi deobandi say aur deobandi barelwi say nafrat kerta heh, haq ho ya batal sense of belonging joh woh jis sdie say admi apnay aap ko smaajta heh us kee har baat ko sahih samajta heh kay mukhalif kay khilaaf sab jahiz heh. Al gharz kafi soch bichaar kay baad haq kee talash kay leyeh khud asool banahay aur un ko giraya aur phir banaya ... aur akhir meh alhamdulillah Maslak e Raza per chal pera hoon aur inshallah mot be waqia is;see per hogi. tohidi bhayee . yeh chutkulle bahut ho gaye miyan duniya chand per pahucnh gaye he abhi tak aap dhutti se nahi nikle. in batoon se bahut se bralvi bralviyet se moon morh chukkey hein. i sliya essy chutkaloon per sirf me hans sakta hoon . apa ki jo marzi aye post ker do. sannu ki. sirf dosry wah wah karein ge. isse me kush raho bus. ilem name ki chieze hi nahi.iek hi bat kahon ga shiya bralvi bahye bahyee. aap ne jo suni ka libadah ora he na is ko phenk do. Ham nahin kehtay kay aap apnay guruwoon kee kitaboon ko maneh ya un kee jahalat ko maneh ham sirf yeh kehtay hen kay joh ham per FATWAH lagaya heh is khabees per be laga doh, keyun kay joh hamray ilfaaz hen wohi is kay hen. Abh agir aap samajtay henkay tumaray guru Quran O Sunnat kay khilaaf likhtay thay toh sanoon ki agir hamaray aqahid meh ilm naam kee cheese nahin toh in guruwoon kay baray meh kia rahay heh, ilm naam kee cheese thee in meh ya kutta damagh Mushrik thay. Maqsid yeh nahin kay tum ko apna mowaqif manwahen, maqsid yeh heh kay lgoon ko tumara makhrooh chehra dekhaya jahay kay yeh munafiqeen kee ulaad, ghairoon per kuffr shirk kay fatway aur maan ka kasam ho toh us ko musalmaan muwahid likhtay hen, cha'hay woh Seikh e Rabbani ko khuda bana ker gali koochoon meh gooma phira raha ho. Tum laga doh fatwah, agir gherat, sachai, imaan dari, kee rat'ti bee tum meh heh, ek zera barabar be tum meh kohi haq parasti heh toh laga doh fatwah in guruwoon per kay yeh Barelwiyoon kee tera Kaffir Mushrik thay ... magir yaqeen kero tum esa nahin kero gay, keyun kay gherat e deeni naam kee cheese, aur imaan dari naam kee cheese Deobandiat o Wahabiat me nahin. Lecture dena asaan heh, tanz kerna asaan heh, ilzaam lagana asaan heh, sabit kernay kay leyeh ilm chahyeh, aap kay mazhib meh Allah tallah gali deta hoga, meray mazhib meh Allah gali nahin deta ... aur joh meh nay ilfaaz istimaal keeyeh hen Quran kee ayaat say sabit hen. Balkay mera toh Aqeedah heh kay RasoolAllah kay gustakh ko gali dena be jahiz heh, jistera Hazrat Abu Bakr radiallah tallah nay deeh thee. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhleSunnat مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 jazakAllah Toheedi bhai , deobandi peer2009 apkay leay mazeed aik kitab ka scan araz hai jis mai thanvi sahab nay yei bhe farma dia kay Nabi pak alaihiSlam dil ki baato ko jannay walay hain Hazir hain aur har museebat zada kay dastagir hain, parheay aur sir dhuneay aur yei bataiay dil tham kay kay deobandi hakeem ul ummat mushrik tahray ya nahee aur toheedi bhai ki mudallal posts mai uthaiay gaiay sawalat ka seedha jawab dain اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhleSunnat مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 (ترمیم شدہ) deobandi peer2009 sahab sheikh e haq Abdul Haq Mohaddis Dahalvi ki kitab hai aur Mutarrjim Molana Subhan Mahmood Sahab , Darululoom Karachi .. Lagiay Fatwa. Edited 23 مارچ 2009 by AhleSunnat اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhleSunnat مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 ooper Akhbar ul Akhyar ka Scan title maujood hai isi kitab mai Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani ka Farman page 50 pay likha hai jis mai hai kay ... aur jo kisi sakhti mai maira naam laikar pukaray usay kushadqi haasil hu. Farman Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani ka Musannif Sheikh e Haq Shah Abdul Haq Mohaddis Dahalvi Mutarrjim deobandi Sheikh ul Hadis ... اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toheedi Bhai مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peer2009 مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 23 مارچ 2009 mery liya sub ko quote kerna mushkil tha is liya me sub ko alag se dekh ker bat karta hoon. sub se pehle radiatingali. me ne to pehly he kaha tha ke jos shaks gali de us ko me to kiya nabi pak bhi moon na lagaye. lekin jawab dena zarori he. zuban aru ikhlaq dekh ker pata lag agay ahe ke kiya tarbiyet he is liye itne tawlat ki zarorat nahi. is forum ke 3 asool ke pehly in ke psot edit karo . phir gali bako phir itna gali bako ke woh bhag jaye. no dought. aur gali do yakeen karo sunnet tazah ho jaye gi. khabees kaho kafir kaho kahnzeer kaho. i dont care. movli ismaeil dahlvi ko itan kafir kaha. yeh batao 2005 ko earth quake aya kashmir shamli ilka jat hata ke rawela kotjahan per molvi ismaiel sahheed ke kabr he owh pura ilaka tabah ho gaya but un ki kaber ko kuch nahi howa woh to kafir tha. us ki kaber se utha ker phenk dena chayeh tha. esa kiuoon nahi howa. ab matem karo aap log. aur waja dhondo. na jazbati na hona. me neabhi sirf yahe kaha tha ke me ager aap ki terha bolne lag jaoon to kaamp jao ge per to aap............ leave it. itna khof. ke apne gandi zuban tak use ker dali. zahir he aap ke aqa jo zuban use kare ga us ke chely se kiya baeed. umeed he ke next time bazri zuban se perhiez karein ge aur ikhlaq se piesh aien ge. umeed kerta hoon yakeen nahi.. tohedi bhayee. jinab jo attachment aap ne piesh ke he. us me aap ne kiya sabit kerna he. dategir mean maded. aur poetry ke lihaz se her lafz ka matlab ko define ke liya ahle ilem hona zarori nahi yeh nahi ke her airea ghera mufti ban jaye. to pehel ilem lao. aru bat karo. me yahe kahoon ga ke ager debate me galiyan de jaye ghier muzabana lang. use kare us ka deen kesa ho ga. kiya koye is deen ko kabool kare ga. hargiz nahi. so members jazbat se ziyada hosh se kame kare to bat me maza aye . gali ka deen konsa he . اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 24 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 24 مارچ 2009 Ashraf Ali Thanvi nay Dastgeer likha heh, Ghaus e Azam likha heh ... bala yeh shirk thora heh, shirk toh tab hoga jab Barelwi Ghaus e Azam likhay aur Data, Dastgheer, likhay. Bala Barelwiyoon ko Tawheed ka kia pata, asal meh shirk us waqat hota heh jab Barelwi likhay, Data, Ganj Bakhs, etc ... Deobandi likhay toh har giz Shrik nahin. Bala Hussain Madaani ka Seikh e Rabbani ko KHUDA likhnay say, joh gali koochoon meh goomta phirta heh, SHIRK kab hota heh, Hazrat toh Deobandi thay is leyeh Shirk nahin, Shirk kee tareef asal meh yoon heh: *** Joh be Barelwi amal, aqeedah rakhta heh, woh SHIRK heh. *** Aur Tawheed kee haqiqi yeh tareef heh: *** Joh amal, aqeedah, Deobandi ka heh Tawheed heh. *** Abh in tareefon ko mad e nazr rakhtay huway, aap khud fesla ker saktay hen kay Barelwiyoon ka Data, Dastgheer, ghairullah ko kehna kitna bara Shirk heh, aur Barelwiyoon ko Shirk kee waja say jahanum meh dala jahay ga. Magir Tawheed kee tareef ko mad e nazr rakh ker aap khud fesla keren, kay Ahle Haq Ulamah e Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat Deoband kitnay pakka muwahid hen, aur Allah tallah ka karam heh kay hamaray Ulamah nay Tawheed kee wazahat yoon kee heh, kay Seikh e Rabbani Rashid Ahmed Gangohi Khuda ban ker gali koochoon meh awaam kee khidmat ker rahay hen, is say bari Ahle Haq Ulamah e Deoband kay Tawheedi aur pakkay sachay musalmaan honay kee kia daleel ho sakti heh. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toheedi Bhai مراسلہ: 24 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 24 مارچ 2009 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiatingAli مراسلہ: 24 مارچ 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 24 مارچ 2009 Keyun kay meh Ulamah e Haq Sawaad e Azam Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat Deobandi kee tarjumani ker raha hoon is leyeh aap ko jawab deta hoon. Aap Barelwiyoon ko kia pata Tawheed kia heh, ham aap ko Tawheed sikhanay atay hen. Dekhyeh aap Data, Dastgheer, weghera kay ilfaaz ghairullah kay leyeh boltay hen, aur keyun kay Shirk kee definition kay mutabiq aap BARELWI hen is leyeh yeh sab kuch Shirk heh. Magir hamaray Ulamah o Muftiyaan e Haq Sawaad e Azam ka ghairullah ko Data kehna, Dasgheer weghera kehna khalis Tawheed heh, aap Barelwi kitnay unparh aur jahil hen, aap ko kia pata Quran aur Hadith kia hen, hamaray Ulamah nay Quran ko sahih samja heh, aap ko bilqul pata nahin deen ka, hamaray Ulamah jinnoon nay engrezoon say saath jihaad keeya heh un'noon nay bataya heh kay agir BARELWI kehta heh Data, DastGheer, weghera toh tab shirk hota heh. Hamaray Hakeem Ul Ummat Ashraf Ali Thanvi neh Data Ganj Bakhs likha heh, toh aap ko maloom hona chahyeh kay yeh Tawheed heh, woh is leyeh kay woh Deobandi hen, SHIRK tab hota jab woh BARELWI hotay. Aap ko sharam aani chahyeh Tawheed aur Shirk kaa aap ko pata nahin aur musalmaan kehtay hen apnay aap ko, kitni sharam kee baat heh kay aap Tawheed ko samaj hee nahin sakkay, aap ko jahannum ka khauf nahin kia, hamari Tawheed kee tareef yeh heh: *** Deobandi, ka har amal o Aqeedah, Tawheed heh. *** Aur hamari Shirk kee tareef yeh heh: *** Barelwiyoon ka har aqeedah o amal Mushrikana heh, Shirk heh. *** Allah ka khauf keren, aur Allah say daren aur yeh definition joh Shirk o Tawheed kee hen seekh lenh aakhirat meh kaam ahaen gee, warna yaqeen keren jahanum teekana hogi. Aap ek khuda ko mantay hen is say bara Shirk kia ho sakta heh, Allah ko Wahid mantay hen, zaat, sifaat, afaal meh la Shareek mantay hen makhlooq kee misl nahin mantay, yeh itna bara SHIRK heh kay iss kee kohi maafi nahin, seeda jahanum meh jahen gay. Meray baee Tawheed yeh heh kay aap Seikh e Rabbani Rashid Ahmad Gangohi ko khuda maneh tab jaa ker aap pakkay sachay, Muwahid aur Sawaad e Azam Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat Ulamah e Deoband say hoon gay. Aap bar bar kabi ek Deobandi Aalim ka scan page detay, agir aap uuper Shirk aur Tawheed kee defintion ko peren toh maloom jahay ga kay yeh sab Tawheed hen aur BARELWIYOON ka esa kehna SIRF AUR SIRF SHIRK heh. Aagir ap ko deen ka kuch pata huwa toh reply nahin keren gay meri points kee, warna meh samaj jahoon ga kay samjay kuch nahin. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Toheedi sahab deobandi bhi agar ghair Allah ko mushkil kusha bolein to wo ghalat agar aap log bolein to wo bhi ghalat ....Sab log Hazrat Sheikh ki baat maante hoaey ghair Allah ko nahi pukaaringay.. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shan E Raza مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Topic tha k ganj bakhsh gous e azam kehna kaisa hai to us k liye Mufti Faiz Ahmad Owaisi Sahab ki kitab se jawab liya gya hai اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qadri Sultani مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Wahhabi say guzarish hay keh answer main pehli poori post quote na kia karay. Aur admin say guzarish hay keh is tarah k reply ko edit kia karain. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Wahhabi say guzarish hay keh answer main pehli poori post quote na kia karay. Aur admin say guzarish hay keh is tarah k reply ko edit kia karain. aap meri post ka jawab to day dein jis mein Hazrat Sheikh ghair Allah se sawal karne se mana kar rahay hein.Jab aik shakhs khud ghair Allah se sawal karne ke khilaaf hay to wo kaysay apne aap ko pukaarne ke liye keh sakta hay. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shan E Raza مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 31 جولائی 2009 janab YA ALLAH MADAD SAHAB topic yehi hai jis ka jawab main nein diya hai kiun k yeh thread main nein hi banaya tha ,jabh mujhe is ka jawab chahiye tha.or mujhe isi par dalail chahiye thi k Gous e Azam kehna kaisa hai ????yeha gairULLAH ko pukarne ki baat hi nahi ho rahi . اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toheedi Bhai مراسلہ: 1 اگست 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 1 اگست 2009 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 1 اگست 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 1 اگست 2009 Toheedi sahab baat asal mein ye hay ke ye to sabko pata hay ke dunya mein jo aik doosre se log apni zarooryat ka sawal karte hein wo jaiz hay..وَيَمْنَعُونَ الْمَاعُونَ (الماعون: 7).[but refuse (to supply) (even) neighbourly needs.] ye to Allah khud targheeb day rahay hein ke logonko jab wo kuch maangein to diya karo..Aap log isi baat ko issue bana kar logon ko gumrah karte hein ke jab dunya mein ghair Allah se sawal shirk nahi to MURDOO se maangana kion shirk hay..Intahai ahmaqana soch hay.. mera asal issue ye hay ke Hazrat Sheikh aik taraf to ghair Allah se sawal karne ko intahai tanqeed kar rahay heinaur tawakkul ki kamzori bata rahay hein aur phir wo khud hi doosron ko targheeb bhi day rahay hein mujh say maango ..jo mushkil mein much se sawal karega mein uski mushkil door karoonga..ye kia drama baazi lagai hoi hay aap log nay..jo asal sawal hay iska jawab do...dono mein se aik hi baat sahi ho sakti hay..aap mein kuch to aqal hay bilkul zero to nahi hein kay mera sawal nahi samjh rahay ..ya phir kisi minister ki tarah awaap ko apni baton mein uljha kar asal issue se tawajjah hata rahay hein.. Aur aik sawal mein ne aksar aap ke forum mein kia magar iska jawab mujhe nahi milta..ke Anbiya apni ummat ko kin Ghair Allah se maangne se mana karte thay..jispar Allah shadeed naraazgi ka izhaar karte hein..zahir hay wo koi dunyavi zaroorat ki cheezein to nahi thi..kionke Allah to khud logonko ko targheeb day rahay hein kay koi sawal kare to usko pura karo..وَأَمَّا السَّائِلَ فَلاَ تَنْهَرْ (الضحى: 10).10. [Nor repulse the petitioner] اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toheedi Bhai مراسلہ: 2 اگست 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 2 اگست 2009 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Allah Madad مراسلہ: 3 اگست 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 3 اگست 2009 Jawab pura dia karo..mera ,aik sawal ye bhi tha.. [Aur aik sawal mein ne aksar aap ke forum mein kia magar iska jawab mujhe nahi milta..ke Anbiya apni ummat ko kin Ghair Allah se maangne se mana karte thay..jispar Allah shadeed naraazgi ka izhaar karte hein..zahir hay wo koi dunyavi zaroorat ki cheezein to nahi thi..kionke Allah to khud logonko ko targheeb day rahay hein kay koi sawal kare to usko pura karo..وَأَمَّا السَّائِلَ فَلاَ تَنْهَرْ (الضحى: 10).10. [Nor repulse the petitioner] Ye comlete karo phir mein aap ko jawab doonga.. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saeedi مراسلہ: 4 اگست 2009 Report Share مراسلہ: 4 اگست 2009 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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