kya Allah k ilawa bhi kisi ko ganj bakhsh, keh sakte hai ?

[Shan E Raza]

 

 

 

 

wahabi deobandi in ayat ko dikha kar keh rahe hai k Allah k siwa kisi ko daata ya greeb nawaz e.t.c nahi kehna chahiye plz mujhe is ka jawab dein

Edited 4 جنوری 2009 by Qadri Attari

[Ya Mohammadah]

 

ye aitraaz qareeb 2 saal pehly malang Deobandi ne kiya tha (Jab wo GM tha) jiska mu torh jawab us deo ko diya gaya detail yahan se read karein...kia Humare liye Allah kafi nahin

[Shan E Raza]

bhai buhat buhat shukriah .

[Nasir Noman]

Assalam-o-Alikum Qadri bhai,

 

apkey jawab is link per tafseel sey mojood hai.

urdu main likhi hoi post hain,

dehan sey tawajey sey mulahiza farmaey.

 

Allah hum sab ko apna kalam-e-Paak samjhney or amal ki tofeeq ata farmaey.Ameen

 

link ye hai is page sey ley ker aakhiri page tak urdu main likhi hoi post mulahiza farmaey.

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...=1550&st=60

 

Nasir Noman

 

 

 

[Saeedi]

naser noman sahib . (1) kiya khalifah 3 hazrat usmaan razi allah anho ko usmaan e gani keh sakte hain? kiya siraf allah taala hi gani naheen hain?

(2) kiya hazrat ali raziallah anho ko ali keh sakte hain? halnkeh ali to allah ka nam mubarik hai (wa ho wal aliyulazeem)

[RadiatingAli]

Arz heh kay , Data, Dast Gheer, Ghareeb Nawaz, Ghaus e Azam, Mushkil Kusha, Ganj Bakhs, yeh sab laqab hen, jistera Allah tallah kay Laqab, Ar'Rahman, Rahim, Rab, Alim Ul Ghayb, weghera hen.

 

Woh laqab joh Allah tallah kay leyeh Quran say sabit nahin un ko laqab kay tor say Allah tallah kee zaat kay leyeh istimaal kerna, shar'an najaiz, balkay Biddat e najs heh.

 

Is leyeh joh Allah kay leyeh lafz DATA, DAST GHEER, GHAREEB NAWAZ, GHAUS E AZAM, MUSHKIL KUSHA, GANJ BAKSH, kay ilqaab bolta heh, Biddati aur Jahanum ka kutta heh.

 

Aur agir kissi Wahabi Deobandi Shia, kissi mahi kay laal nay halal ka dood piya heh toh meray mowaqif ka rad ker dekha'hay.

[peer2009]

Arz heh kay , Data, Dast Gheer, Ghareeb Nawaz, Ghaus e Azam, Mushkil Kusha, Ganj Bakhs, yeh sab laqab hen, jistera Allah tallah kay Laqab, Ar'Rahman, Rahim, Rab, Alim Ul Ghayb, weghera hen.

 

Woh laqab joh Allah tallah kay leyeh Quran say sabit nahin un ko laqab kay tor say Allah tallah kee zaat kay leyeh istimaal kerna, shar'an najaiz, balkay Biddat e najs heh.

 

Is leyeh joh Allah kay leyeh lafz DATA, DAST GHEER, GHAREEB NAWAZ, GHAUS E AZAM, MUSHKIL KUSHA, GANJ BAKSH, kay ilqaab bolta heh, Biddati aur Jahanum ka kutta heh.

 

Aur agir kissi Wahabi Deobandi Shia, kissi mahi kay laal nay halal ka dood piya heh toh meray mowaqif ka rad ker dekha'hay.

cool down bache halal ka ddodh piya he ji halala ke hien peer ke darbaron ke nahi hein. jo bat ho rahi he us ka jawab do. gol mol na karo. aur is dhoke ko apne paas rakho ke ilkab ka us kis terha kiya jata he woh heumin nahi batao. jis ka mokkef auran hadith se nahi sabit us ko yahan per jaiez karare aur jhoot bolne ke defend me kitna zor lagaya ja raha he.

gumah phira ker mamded mangene se behter he banda **** ho jaye . take na gehr ka rahy na ghaat ka.

ab halala ka doodh piya he to is ko quran aur hadith se rad karo aap ki zuban se rad me humein inkar

[Toheedi Bhai]

(1) kiya khalifah 3 hazrat usmaan razi allah anho ko usmaan e gani keh sakte hain? kiya siraf allah taala hi gani naheen hain?

(2) kiya hazrat ali raziallah anho ko ali keh sakte hain? halnkeh ali to allah ka nam mubarik hai (wa ho wal aliyulazeem)

Edited 19 مارچ 2009 by toheedi bhai

[peer2009]

(1) kiya khalifah 3 hazrat usmaan razi allah anho ko usmaan e gani keh sakte hain? kiya siraf allah taala hi gani naheen hain?

(2) kiya hazrat ali raziallah anho ko ali keh sakte hain? halnkeh ali to allah ka nam mubarik hai (wa ho wal aliyulazeem)

bahyee aap yeh dallel apne paas rakho. asel baat he ke ager yahan ke log topic ka rukh change kerne aur awam ki ankhoon mer pardah dalne ke liya ke yeh lafz ALLAh ke liya use hota he . to bazurgon ka naem kiuoon le ker bote hien ke data darbar jana he data ko aage yeh ALLAH se tasbhi dena he to zarore lahore wale ke paas jana he . afsose. ke kitni asani se awame ko bewakoof bana rehien hien

aru tohedi jo ke na hiuoon me na shiuoon me. jub dil aye sahab ki toheen ker deta he. jo ke inke post se lagta he. bara afsose hota he jub bralivi hazrat is ki post ko wah wah kerta he. jis ke pass sirf bughz ke siwa kcuh nahi hota.

 

seddhe ssehddy lafzoon me isrf Ya- ALLAH maded

[Ya Mohammadah]

bahyee aap yeh dallel apne paas rakho. asel baat he ke ager yahan ke log topic ka rukh change kerne aur awam ki ankhoon mer pardah dalne ke liya ke yeh lafz ALLAh ke liya use hota he . to bazurgon ka naem kiuoon le ker bote hien ke data darbar jana he data ko aage yeh ALLAH se tasbhi dena he to zarore lahore wale ke paas jana he . afsose. ke kitni asani se awame ko bewakoof bana rehien hien

aru tohedi jo ke na hiuoon me na shiuoon me. jub dil aye sahab ki toheen ker deta he. jo ke inke post se lagta he. bara afsose hota he jub bralivi hazrat is ki post ko wah wah kerta he. jis ke pass sirf bughz ke siwa kcuh nahi hota.

 

seddhe ssehddy lafzoon me isrf Ya- ALLAH maded

Naqli Peer sahib, bilkul sahi kaha agar aapny to dair kis baat ki Deo bandis akabir ki satar poshi kab se Muntazir aap jaisy mard e momin Deobandy ki...himmat karein Janab or Ghar ki gandagi foran saaf kar dein ya phir taouba par ye bazu humny azmaye huey hain na...

 

brelvi AALIM ki ghouse azam se madad, Hajat Rawa Mushkil Kusha Dastgeer

[RadiatingAli]

cool down bache halal ka ddodh piya he ji halala ke hien peer ke darbaron ke nahi hein. jo bat ho rahi he us ka jawab do. gol mol na karo. aur is dhoke ko apne paas rakho ke ilkab ka us kis terha kiya jata he woh heumin nahi batao. jis ka mokkef auran hadith se nahi sabit us ko yahan per jaiez karare aur jhoot bolne ke defend me kitna zor lagaya ja raha he.

gumah phira ker mamded mangene se behter he banda **** ho jaye . take na gehr ka rahy na ghaat ka.

ab halala ka doodh piya he to is ko quran aur hadith se rad karo aap ki zuban se rad me humein inkar

 

Bas meh samaj gaya kay joh kuch meh nay likha heh woh tumaray aqal kee baat nahin, kuttay ko joh haddi khanay ka aadi ho ussay healthy salad khilana nahin chahyeh, kohi pera likha hota toh samaj jata magir ilmi yateemi ka ilaaj kuch nahin.

 

Raha Ilqaab ka masla toh tumara allah Ghareeb Nawaz hoga, mera Allah ameer, ghareeb, faqeer, maskeen, momin, munafiq, kaffir, musalmaan, janwar, sab ko nawaznay wala heh ... Ganj Bakhs ... tera allah ganj bakhs hoga, mera Allah ganj, jaan, rooh, paani, roti, salan, hawah, sab kuch bakshnay wala heh ... esay laqab Allah tallah kay leyeh bolna haram, aur Biddat heh. Keyun kay shariat ka asool heh:

 

Jis Aqeedeh/Amal, kee Quran ya Hadith meh, Asal nahin woh Biddat heh.

 

Aur Allah tallah kay leyeh yeh ilfaaz nahin bolay gahay, yeh begher asal kay hen, is leyeh Shariat kay asool kay mutabiq Biddat hen. Aur biddati ko Jahanum kee waheed dee gaee heh.

 

Yeh tumari samaj meh nahin ahay ga, kissi Deobandi guru say Fatwah leh loh, alhamdulillah joh kuch likha heh bilqul haq heh aur is kay khilaaf Deobandi Wahabi ka peshaab toh nikal sakta magir is kay rad meh jawab nahin.

 

Muhammed Ali Razvi

Edited 19 مارچ 2009 by RadiatingAli

[peer2009]

Bas meh samaj gaya kay joh kuch meh nay likha heh woh tumaray aqal kee baat nahin, kuttay ko joh haddi khanay ka aadi ho ussay healthy salad khilana nahin chahyeh, kohi pera likha hota toh samaj jata magir ilmi yateemi ka ilaaj kuch nahin.

 

Raha Ilqaab ka masla toh tumara allah Ghareeb Nawaz hoga, mera Allah ameer, ghareeb, faqeer, maskeen, momin, munafiq, kaffir, musalmaan, janwar, sab ko nawaznay wala heh ... Ganj Bakhs ... tera allah ganj bakhs hoga, mera Allah ganj, jaan, rooh, paani, roti, salan, hawah, sab kuch bakshnay wala heh ... esay laqab Allah tallah kay leyeh bolna haram, aur Biddat heh. Keyun kay shariat ka asool heh:

 

Jis Aqeedeh/Amal, kee Quran ya Hadith meh, Asal nahin woh Biddat heh.

 

Aur Allah tallah kay leyeh yeh ilfaaz nahin bolay gahay, yeh begher asal kay hen, is leyeh Shariat kay asool kay mutabiq Biddat hen. Aur biddati ko Jahanum kee waheed dee gaee heh.

 

Yeh tumari samaj meh nahin ahay ga, kissi Deobandi guru say Fatwah leh loh, alhamdulillah joh kuch likha heh bilqul haq heh aur is kay khilaaf Deobandi Wahabi ka peshaab toh nikal sakta magir is kay rad meh jawab nahin.

 

Muhammed Ali Razvi

right apane keh diya ke esaay ilfaz ilkab se bolna biddet he to duniya kiuoon bolte he ke data darbar jana he yh kiuoon nahi bolti ke ali hajweri ki mazar jana he . kiuoon nahi awam me yeh baat late ke ea kehan biddet he.

jawab nahi he ya yeh man lo bralviuoon me kitni groups hein ager oppenly bola to kiya anjame hona he. is liya i refused ur fake logic

[RadiatingAli]

right apane keh diya ke esaay ilfaz ilkab se bolna biddet he to duniya kiuoon bolte he ke data darbar jana he yh kiuoon nahi bolti ke ali hajweri ki mazar jana he . kiuoon nahi awam me yeh baat late ke ea kehan biddet he.

jawab nahi he ya yeh man lo bralviuoon me kitni groups hein ager oppenly bola to kiya anjame hona he. is liya i refused ur fake logic

 

 

Jahil pehlay perh likha kia heh, agir perh leeya heh toh kissi baap ko bolh kay samja deh tummeh. Joh likha heh woh tooh nay samja hee nahin, chawani kay ankh khol ker perh kay meh nay likha kia heh.

 

Perna ata nahin moon lotay kee tera utha ker behas kernay chala aya, baag yahan say, aur perna seekh. Keyun kay tum ilmi yateem ho, is leyeh meh ek dafa phir sab kuch paste kerta hoon is tawaqoh kay saath kay, shahid is dafa ankh khol ker pero:

 

Arz heh kay , Data, Dast Gheer, Ghareeb Nawaz, Ghaus e Azam, Mushkil Kusha, Ganj Bakhs, yeh sab laqab hen, jistera Allah tallah kay Laqab, Ar'Rahman, Rahim, Rab, Alim Ul Ghayb, weghera hen.

 

Woh laqab joh Allah tallah kay leyeh Quran say sabit nahin un ko laqab kay tor say Allah tallah kee zaat kay leyeh istimaal kerna, shar'an najaiz, balkay Biddat e najs heh.

 

Is leyeh joh Allah kay leyeh lafz DATA, DAST GHEER, GHAREEB NAWAZ, GHAUS E AZAM, MUSHKIL KUSHA, GANJ BAKSH, kay ilqaab bolta heh, Biddati aur Jahanum ka kutta heh.

 

Raha Ilqaab ka masla toh tumara allah Ghareeb Nawaz hoga, mera Allah ameer, ghareeb, faqeer, maskeen, momin, munafiq, kaffir, musalmaan, janwar, sab ko nawaznay wala heh ... Ganj Bakhs ... tera allah ganj bakhs hoga, mera Allah ganj, jaan, rooh, paani, roti, salan, hawah, sab kuch bakshnay wala heh ... esay laqab Allah tallah kay leyeh bolna haram, aur Biddat heh. Keyun kay shariat ka asool heh:

 

Jis Aqeedeh/Amal, kee Quran ya Hadith meh, Asal nahin woh Biddat heh.

 

Aur Allah tallah kay leyeh yeh ilfaaz nahin bolay gahay, yeh begher asal kay hen, is leyeh Shariat kay asool kay mutabiq Biddat hen. Aur biddati ko Jahanum kee waheed dee gaee heh.

 

Aagir abh bee nahin samja, toh haram kuffr kee mot kee dua ker aur inshallah tooh haram kee mot hee maray ga.

Edited 20 مارچ 2009 by RadiatingAli

[Toheedi Bhai]

[peer2009]

Jahil pehlay perh likha kia heh, agir perh leeya heh toh kissi baap ko bolh kay samja deh tummeh. Joh likha heh woh tooh nay samja hee nahin, chawani kay ankh khol ker perh kay meh nay likha kia heh.

 

Perna ata nahin moon lotay kee tera utha ker behas kernay chala aya, baag yahan say, aur perna seekh. Keyun kay tum ilmi yateem ho, is leyeh meh ek dafa phir sab kuch paste kerta hoon is tawaqoh kay saath kay, shahid is dafa ankh khol ker pero:

 

 

 

 

 

Aagir abh bee nahin samja, toh haram kuffr kee mot kee dua ker aur inshallah tooh haram kee mot hee maray ga.

coll bacha abhi bari ho hao aru chalo me tumahare baap se poochta hoon jis ka deen sirf alahazret per aker rulta he jessy shiya logo moharrem se age nahi jate. humara din musatfwi he. tum atahane ke ank khol ker posting karo aru mera jawab dekho. jub jawab nahi bnata to baap dada tak phaunch jate ho sahrem tum ko mager aati nahi

[peer2009]

 

jahi jhail rehta he jis ko yeh nahi pata ager koyee ALALh ka name use kerta he to sath me abd ka lafz lagat he jessy abdullah abdul ghaffar. akkel me jub baat na aye to essy be dhunge dallleiel nahi de jati.

[Toheedi Bhai]

Edited 20 مارچ 2009 by toheedi bhai

[F.Shahzad]

jahi jhail rehta he jis ko yeh nahi pata ager koyee ALALh ka name use kerta he to sath me abd ka lafz lagat he jessy abdullah abdul ghaffar. akkel me jub baat na aye to essy be dhunge dallleiel nahi de jati.

 

Deobandi Peer tum nay apnay molvio kay naam daikhay hain ....tumhray molvio kay namo mai Abd kahan likha hay..........Rasheed Gangohi........Ashraf ALI thanvi etc

 

RASHEED AUR ALI tu ALLAH kay naam hain ........tumhari jahilana logic kay base par tu tumrahay dono molvi Mushrik ho giay hain.

[Nasir Noman]

Assalam Alikum Doston,

 

Peer Bhai is topic per bohat tafseel sey humarai baat ho rahi hai

 

ap tamam doston sy guzarish hai k please is link ko tasali sey perh lain

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...0&start=160

 

 

Nasir Noman

[RadiatingAli]

coll bacha abhi bari ho hao aru chalo me tumahare baap se poochta hoon jis ka deen sirf alahazret per aker rulta he jessy shiya logo moharrem se age nahi jate. humara din musatfwi he. tum atahane ke ank khol ker posting karo aru mera jawab dekho. jub jawab nahi bnata to baap dada tak phaunch jate ho sahrem tum ko mager aati nahi

 

Ilmi yateemi, is say maloom ho jata heh, kay Deobandiyoon Wahabiyoon meh kitni ilmi yateemi heh, joh kuch likha us ko samja bee nahin.

 

Sunni bahiyoon ko tassali ho gaee hogi kay kis intelligence kay logoon say debate ker rahay hen. Yahee halat in kay guruwoon kee heh, jin ko kuch ata heh woh be'IMAAN hotay hen yehni jaan booj ker jhoot aur kazb biyaani kertay hen jesay Chan Miyan, jis ko Maulana Haneef Qurayshi nay Azaan per debate kay subject per itnay ilmi thappar maray, aur majority esay Deobandiyoon guruwoon kee heh jin ko kuch be nahin ata sirf lambi dari.

 

In bewaqoofoon ko bann mar doh, yeh kissi kee baat perh ker samajnay kay qabil nahin hen. Likhi huwi itni clear baat to yeh tab bee nahin samaj patay kay likha kia heh. Apnay upper aur Sunniyoon uper karam keren aur in ko banned ker denh, aap khud andaza laga lenh kay meh nay likha kia heh, aur yeh samja kia heh, kam say kam is ko banned ker denh,taqay ek bewaqoof toh kam ho nah.

[Saeedi]

[Toheedi Bhai]

[peer2009]

Ilmi yateemi, is say maloom ho jata heh, kay Deobandiyoon Wahabiyoon meh kitni ilmi yateemi heh, joh kuch likha us ko samja bee nahin.

 

Sunni bahiyoon ko tassali ho gaee hogi kay kis intelligence kay logoon say debate ker rahay hen. Yahee halat in kay guruwoon kee heh, jin ko kuch ata heh woh be'IMAAN hotay hen yehni jaan booj ker jhoot aur kazb biyaani kertay hen jesay Chan Miyan, jis ko Maulana Haneef Qurayshi nay Azaan per debate kay subject per itnay ilmi thappar maray, aur majority esay Deobandiyoon guruwoon kee heh jin ko kuch be nahin ata sirf lambi dari.

 

In bewaqoofoon ko bann mar doh, yeh kissi kee baat perh ker samajnay kay qabil nahin hen. Likhi huwi itni clear baat to yeh tab bee nahin samaj patay kay likha kia heh. Apnay upper aur Sunniyoon uper karam keren aur in ko banned ker denh, aap khud andaza laga lenh kay meh nay likha kia heh, aur yeh samja kia heh, kam say kam is ko banned ker denh,taqay ek bewaqoof toh kam ho nah.

miyan essi kuhs hote raho. sunnion ko kiya woh to bechare kuch milte nahi govt ke agsints wakleoon ke sath sarkon per mar kahne ke liay reh gaye hein . suni tehreek ke mulla ko dekho police se pittete nazewr ate rahe lol.

miyan is forum me esa bolo gi he wohan ka kiay bana jahan sharmanak shikset woh bhi with daleel yahan per to jhoo per wah wah hoti he

eik tareh natoon me kufriyat ke aye dta ganj baksh humin muhkil se niukal oppper se tohidi bahyee jhoot per jhhoot ALLAH ki panah. is muamle me zillet ko shmil ker lo aur jhoot se toba karo aur munafikat se tobah karlo. aur essy chat pate batein na kiya karo. bahyee

[RadiatingAli]

miyan essi kuhs hote raho. sunnion ko kiya woh to bechare kuch milte nahi govt ke agsints wakleoon ke sath sarkon per mar kahne ke liay reh gaye hein . suni tehreek ke mulla ko dekho police se pittete nazewr ate rahe lol.

miyan is forum me esa bolo gi he wohan ka kiay bana jahan sharmanak shikset woh bhi with daleel yahan per to jhoo per wah wah hoti he

eik tareh natoon me kufriyat ke aye dta ganj baksh humin muhkil se niukal oppper se tohidi bahyee jhoot per jhhoot ALLAH ki panah. is muamle me zillet ko shmil ker lo aur jhoot se toba karo aur munafikat se tobah karlo. aur essy chat pate batein na kiya karo. bahyee

 

 

Begherati kee be had hoti heh, tumari nahin heh kia? Kuch sharam kero, joh subject heh us per jawab nahin deh pa rahay, meh nay likha kay joh Allah ko Mushkil Kusha, Hajat Rawah, Data, Ganj Baksh, Ghaus e Azam, manay woh pakka biddati heh, us ka jawab nahin deh sakkay.

 

Allahu akhbar, jab clear cut, scanned page bee deh deeya toh dekho andi'at, qaani'at, kee intihah, tab bee nahin mana, yeh pakkay kaffir kee nishaani heh, jhoota hona, batal hona sabit ho jahay toh tab bee qabool nahin kerta, is tera ka kaffir Abu Jahl thah, kay laakh dafa jhoota, batal sabit huwa magir haq ko tasleem nahin keeya, aur tera be yahee haal heh, laakh dafa kaffir kee tera batal, jhoota sabit ho jahay, kuffr ko chorna nahin.

 

Tumara woh hisaab hoga jistera Abdullah Khan ka huwa thah, kuttay kee mot'h mara, nahin yeh ghalat heh, soowar kee mot'h mara, jinoon nay Abdullah khaan Deobandi guru kee marnay kay baad shakal dekhi unoon nay bataya kay SOOWAR, kee see shakal ho chuki thee, aur pahoon soowar kay pahoon jesay ho gahay thay ... aur kaffir kay moon say peshaab nikla thah, toh jab Sunniyoon nay kaha dekho soowar kee mot'h mara heh, toh Deobandi guruwon nay kaha, yeh us ka masla heh ham nay is kay aqeedeh ko nahin chorna, lala soowar kee mot'h marta heh toh maray, magir lalay kaa saath nahin chorna, tumara be wohi hisaab heh, lala jhoota sabit hota heh toh ho jahay, magir saath nahin chorna, pakka kaffir marna heh, inshallah kaffir hee maray ga

 

Meri taraf say khuda hafiz, bet'h meh laat mar deeh heh, abh agir tum ko kuch ata heh toh sabit kero kay joh Allah ko Ganj bakhs manta heh Biddati kesay nahin ... warna yaqeen jaano moon say pehsaab niklay ga tumaray Qadiyani kee tera ...

[Toheedi Bhai]