wuzu mien shia ka ikhtilaaf

[Aashiq Koun]

salam to all muslims

[mufti-e-azam]

salam to all muslims

jana ab aap ko iss mein kahan ikhtelaf nazar aaya ??

[Qadri Sultani]

Kya karain aap ke eye sight he hatam ho chuki hay jahal e azam

[SitaraGroup]

"Aashiq Kaun" Bhai aap ne ye stuff aik ghair Shiya website*******se hasil kya hai jo ke Shiya nahi hain balke shiyyat ko budnaam kar rehe hain. Jis tarha hum sub Imam Abu Hanifa ke perokaar hain jis main Deobundi or Brailvi dono aate hain or es ke ilawa wahabi, maalki, hunbli or shaafi hain. Hum khud ko doosron se afzal samjhte hain. Isi tarha shiyon ke bhi koi 10 ke kareeb firkay hain jis main se baaz aisay hain jin ka Quran pe imaan nahi, koi Janab-e-Sarkar Ali ko Allah (Naoozobillah) kahtay hain. Magar ye firkay sub se hut kar hain. Jo asal Shiya Imamia firka hai wo en sub ki tardeed karta hai. Main ne Shiyyat ko imaandari se parha hai. En logon ka shiyyat se koi talluq nahi jo Akhbari, Ismaeelia, Zaidia etc hon.

 

Behtar hai ke aap zara (for the sake of knowledge) Shiya Imamia (Usooli) ko study karen aap insha Allah en ko kafir etc kahna bund kar den ge. Kyon ke ye bhi hamari tarha Rasoolallah (PBUH) ke deewanay hain. Hum sirf Rasoolallah (PBUH) ki baten karna or sunana pasand karte hain ye zara aagay nikal kar Ahal-e-Bait ki bhi tareef karte hain jo hum zara en se kam karte hain. To es main naraazgi ki baat nahi hai. Agar en ke Sahaba ke baray main ikhtilafaat hain to wo to sadiyon se hain aaj se nahi hain, magar in ikhtilafaat ko hawa Deobundiyon/Wahabiyon ne di or aik naya Firka "Sipah Sahaba" la khara kya. Aaj apni charon taraf dekhen yeh Firka kaheen nazar nahi aata, bawajood es Firka ne bohat katal-o-ghaarat ki.

 

To bhai, baat yeh hai ko haqiqat ko samjhne ki koshish karen. Jahaan main ghalat hoon mujhe bhi nishaandahi karen. Thanks,

 

Fi Amaanillah

Edited 26 نومبر 2008 by Umm-e-Anwaar Raza

[Qadri Sultani]

Sitara group yeh kya muhabbat hui?????

Sahaba e Karam R.A ke shan main gustakhi karna kon say muslim ke nashani hay????YEh kon se deewangi hay jis say har cheez main tauheen ka pehloo samnay aata ho.Zara soch kar bat karo.Tum b hybrid policy choro aur apna aap zahir karo.

[mufti-e-azam]

Sitara group yeh kya muhabbat hui?????

Sahaba e Karam R.A ke shan main gustakhi karna kon say muslim ke nashani hay????YEh kon se deewangi hay jis say har cheez main tauheen ka pehloo samnay aata ho.Zara soch kar bat karo.Tum b hybrid policy choro aur apna aap zahir karo.

chisti sahab aap phir topic se bhaag rahay ho aik awara sag ki terha topic per hi raho aur meri baat ka ajwab do k kahan ikhtelaf nazar aaya tumhain ??

[Aashiq Koun]

salam to all muslims.

 

mery nazdeek shia koi bhi hn akhbari ya asooli, isnaashri sab kafir hain kyun k shia na aqeeda touheed ko manta hay na aqeeda risalat ko na ashaab-e-nabi(SAW) ko aor na quran ko.

 

en sab k baad koi kyse shia ko muslim maan sakta hay.

[mufti-e-azam]

salam to all muslims.

 

mery nazdeek shia koi bhi hn akhbari ya asooli, isnaashri sab kafir hain kyun k shia na aqeeda touheed ko manta hay na aqeeda risalat ko na ashaab-e-nabi(SAW) ko aor na quran ko.

 

en sab k baad koi kyse shia ko muslim maan sakta hay.

aashiq sahab janab aap ne apna hi topic change ker diya...pehlay to iss topic per jawab do aur agar tauheed,risalat per baat kerni hai to alag se topic start karo ta k jawab bhi tumhain mil jaye khair abhi stick on the topic kid...

[Qadri Sultani]

Lo sun lo.

Sitaragroup b koi tumhara he saathi lagta hay.Aur tum nain tu har post main aik he bat rat le hay.Gustakhi kar k b nahin maintay ke gustakhi ke hay.

[mufti-e-azam]

Lo sun lo.

Sitaragroup b koi tumhara he saathi lagta hay.Aur tum nain tu har post main aik he bat rat le hay.Gustakhi kar k b nahin maintay ke gustakhi ke hay.

chisti sahab iss terha to bohat se sag aap ki baat ki himayat ker rahay hain...mein inn sahab ko nahi janta khair tum sabit karo gustkhi ko to maan bhi lein meray bachay tum jo jahilana bachon ki terha zubani baaton per guzara ker rahay ho aur idhar udhar bhaag hi rahay ho

[Aashiq Koun]

mufti sahib mien ne sitara grup ki baat ka jawab dia tha aor baqi topic mien alag se post ker raha hn mein ne es topic mien koi aor post nien ki

[Qadri Sultani]

Mufti ab apnay karnamay suno agar English aati hay tu.

Quran k baray main

 

 

Belief of a Shia for Quran is:

 

The present Quran is not the original Quran. To some of them, the Quran's authenticity is doubtful, and if it appears to contradict any of their sectarian beliefs or doctrines, then they give the Quranic text strange, far-fetched interpretations that agree with their sectarian views. For that reason they are called Al-Mutawwilah (those who give their own interpretations to the revealed texts). They love to draw attention to the discord that occurred at the time when the Quran was first compiled. The views and opinions of their Imams are the primary source of their jurisprudence.

 

1. There are seventeen thousand Ayah in real Quran. (Al Shafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 616)

 

2. The comparison between the Holy Quran and Shia's Quran. (which was compiled by Hazrat Ali R.A. and will be brought by Imam-e-Ghaib near Qayamat. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 123)

 

3. No one possess complete knowledge of Holy Quran except Imams. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 228)

 

4. "An alteration in the Holy Quran". (Tehzeeb-ul-Ahkaam, Vol. No. 7, Page No. 415)

 

5. "Changes in Quran for Drinker Khulafa-e-Rashideen". (Translation Of Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 479)

 

6. "Insult of Holy Quran". (Tohfa-tul-Awaam, Vol. No. 2, page No. 293)

 

7. Pakistan is mentioned in the Original Holy Quran, present Quran is meaningless. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 554)

 

8. Quran was ascended in four parts whereas present Quran is consist of three parts. (Shia Aur Tehreef-e-Quran, page No. 62)

 

 

9. Quran is altered corrupted and in perverted form (Shia belief). (Fatuhat-e-Shia, Page No. 129)

 

10. The present Quran is abridged where as the Original Quran is kept by Imam Mehdi. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 553)

 

11. "An acceptance of the belief of tempering of Holy Quran, insult of Abu Bakr (r.a)". (Ayat-ul-Qaloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 832)

 

12. Shaikheen (r.a) refused to accept the Quran which was compiled by Hazrat Ali (r.a). (Fasal-ul-Khitab, Page No. 64)

 

13. Quran was eaten by God. (Min Kitab-ul-Burhan Fee Tafseer-ul-Quran, Page No. 38)

 

14. Renegades changed the Original Holy Quran. (Quran Majeed by Hakeem Syed Maqbool, Page No. 1011)

 

15. "Un Islamic views of Holy Quran and revive of Abu Bakr". (Sheikh-e-Saqifa, Page No. 138)

 

16. The main compilers of Quran interpreted changed corrupted and perverted the Holy Quran. (Al-Ehtijaj, Page No. 257)

Abhi sirf Quran Sharif k baray main is ka jawab do baqi baad main.

[mufti-e-azam]

mufti sahib mien ne sitara grup ki baat ka jawab dia tha aor baqi topic mien alag se post ker raha hn mein ne es topic mien koi aor post nien ki

janab issi liye to meh keh raha tha k topic per baat karo jo sawal poocha hai uss ka ajwab do..uss baat ka to aap ne jawab nahi diya..

[mufti-e-azam]

Mufti ab apnay karnamay suno agar English aati hay tu.

Quran k baray main

 

 

Belief of a Shia for Quran is:

 

The present Quran is not the original Quran. To some of them, the Quran's authenticity is doubtful, and if it appears to contradict any of their sectarian beliefs or doctrines, then they give the Quranic text strange, far-fetched interpretations that agree with their sectarian views. For that reason they are called Al-Mutawwilah (those who give their own interpretations to the revealed texts). They love to draw attention to the discord that occurred at the time when the Quran was first compiled. The views and opinions of their Imams are the primary source of their jurisprudence.

 

1. There are seventeen thousand Ayah in real Quran. (Al Shafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 616)

 

2. The comparison between the Holy Quran and Shia's Quran. (which was compiled by Hazrat Ali R.A. and will be brought by Imam-e-Ghaib near Qayamat. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 123)

 

3. No one possess complete knowledge of Holy Quran except Imams. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 228)

 

4. "An alteration in the Holy Quran". (Tehzeeb-ul-Ahkaam, Vol. No. 7, Page No. 415)

 

5. "Changes in Quran for Drinker Khulafa-e-Rashideen". (Translation Of Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 479)

 

6. "Insult of Holy Quran". (Tohfa-tul-Awaam, Vol. No. 2, page No. 293)

 

7. Pakistan is mentioned in the Original Holy Quran, present Quran is meaningless. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 554)

 

8. Quran was ascended in four parts whereas present Quran is consist of three parts. (Shia Aur Tehreef-e-Quran, page No. 62)

 

 

9. Quran is altered corrupted and in perverted form (Shia belief). (Fatuhat-e-Shia, Page No. 129)

 

10. The present Quran is abridged where as the Original Quran is kept by Imam Mehdi. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 553)

 

11. "An acceptance of the belief of tempering of Holy Quran, insult of Abu Bakr (r.a)". (Ayat-ul-Qaloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 832)

 

12. Shaikheen (r.a) refused to accept the Quran which was compiled by Hazrat Ali (r.a). (Fasal-ul-Khitab, Page No. 64)

 

13. Quran was eaten by God. (Min Kitab-ul-Burhan Fee Tafseer-ul-Quran, Page No. 38)

 

14. Renegades changed the Original Holy Quran. (Quran Majeed by Hakeem Syed Maqbool, Page No. 1011)

 

15. "Un Islamic views of Holy Quran and revive of Abu Bakr". (Sheikh-e-Saqifa, Page No. 138)

 

16. The main compilers of Quran interpreted changed corrupted and perverted the Holy Quran. (Al-Ehtijaj, Page No. 257)

Abhi sirf Quran Sharif k baray main is ka jawab do baqi baad main.

jana tahreef ka topic already chala hua hai aur uss per tum loag bhaag chukay ho ghoar se dekho yeh wuzu ka topic hai na k tahreef ka..meray bachay aankhein khol ker aqal bhi use kiya akro..

[Qadri Sultani]

Meri aankhain khuli hain ab Alhamdo Lillah theek b hain.Ab kya tumhari yeh books jhooti hain????Zara batao na meray bachay

[mufti-e-azam]

Meri aankhain khuli hain ab Alhamdo Lillah theek b hain.Ab kya tumhari yeh books jhooti hain????Zara batao na meray bachay

mein ne tujhay pehlay kaha hai k topic per ja ker bata karo yeh tahreef ka topic nahi hai agar next time tu ne out of topic post ki to mein teri jahiliat se bhari post ka ajwab nahi doon ga jab tak k tu topic per baat nahi karay ga

[Qadri Sultani]

Saaf kaho jawab he nahin aata.Tu kia reply karay ga

[mufti-e-azam]

Saaf kaho jawab he nahin aata.Tu kia reply karay ga

jawab na aata to iss forum k saray sag tahreef k topic se bhaag na chukay hotay meri jaan lakin teray jaisay jahil insan ki be-fazool out of topic posts per jawab dena mein zaroori nahi samajhta..jitna mein ne tujhay kaha hai uss ko samajh aur uss per amal ker..

[SitaraGroup]

Bhaiyo aap naraaz no ho!!

 

Main ne kuch ghalat kah diya to I am very sorry. Agar aap Shiyyat ki hakikat nahi jaanaa chhatay to aap ki marzi es main khafa hone ki kya baat hai. Aap jis andaaz se chal rehe hain ye issue woheen ka woheen khara rehe ge or resolve nahi ho ga.

 

Main aap ko pehle hi bata chuka ke jis tarha aap laug Deobundion, Qadiyaniyon (jin ka mazhab bhi Hanfi hai) ko bura jaantay ho osi tarha Shiya jo asal shiya hain wo bhi on ko bura jaantay hain jin ka aqeeda hai ke Quran-e-Paak tahreef shuda hai. Magar aap beghair haqiqat ko samjhe aik hi baat par arr chukay hain. Suchh ko nahi jaanan chahte. Agar aap main se koi succh ko jaanan chhahta hai wo bhi (Saha-e-Sitta or Quran-e-Paak) se to baat kare. Aik alihda topic main shooro kar deta hoon. Aap sirf sawalaat poochiye ga, es tarha aik doosray ko bura bhala na kahiye ga. Agar aap (Quran or Saha-e-Sitta) se satisfy na hon to phir Allah ka hukam. Magar suchh to aap ko pata chal jaye ga na.

 

Kahiyee agar moderators or aap sahibaan ki ijazat ho to doodh ka doodh pani ka pani kar den??

 

Fi Amaanillah

[Ghulam E Mustafa]

Susti i know app ko jotiyan khane ki adat hai iss liye app replies karty karty thaktay bhi nahi aur sharam bhi nahi ati kyon ki jo hoo hee bai sharam uss ko jo marzi kaho kuch asar nahi hota

[Qadri Sultani]

Janab Sitaragroup sb.Agar aap ko reality pata hay tu aap kis cheez ka wait kar raha hain?Shariat ke had main rehtay huay aap b is jahal e azam ko reply karain.

[mufti-e-azam]

Susti i know app ko jotiyan khane ki adat hai iss liye app replies karty karty thaktay bhi nahi aur sharam bhi nahi ati kyon ki jo hoo hee bai sharam uss ko jo marzi kaho kuch asar nahi hota

janab aap topic change mat hi karo to acha hai...yahan per topic start hua k shion ka wuzu mein ikhtelaf hai..mein ne sirf itna pocha k kiya ikhtelaf nazar aaya to topic starter to sag ki terha dum daba ker bhaag gaye aur kuch sag reh gaye chisti jaisay jin ka kaam sirf out of topic baat ker k time waste kerna hai aisay loag aksar hotay hain forums per jin ko mein forum ka clown kehta hon jo fazooo posts ker k samajhtay hain k hum ne bohat kaam kiya hai

[SitaraGroup]

Qadri Bhai!!

 

Wuzu ke baray main aik or topic bhi chal raha hai. Mera khayaal hai os topic ko bhi aap saath saath dekhte jayen:

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?showtopic=6092&st=0&gopid=39471entry39471

 

Mufti Bhai!! aap sub laug please aik doosray ko abuse karnay se parhaiz karen. References hain to baat karen agar references nahi to khamosh ho kar dekhen. Sorry dont mind.

 

Fi Amaanillah