Hazrat Umar Tarikh Ki Nazar Mein

[mufti-e-azam]

yahan to baat hi sab ulat thi...kafiron ko daranay k bajaye khud darr k ghar mein chupay rahay aur jab kafir ne panah di to tab bahir nikalay...kiya yeh bahaduri hai ??

Uss k baad mein ne socha ho sakta hai k uss waqt dil kamzor ho gaya ho magar baad mein bahaduri dikhai ho...

Uss k baad jange Baddar ka waqiya hua to uss mein bhi hazrat umar ki koi bahaduri nazar nahi aati.. hazrat abu bakar ki bahaduri ka sirf aik waqiya mojood hai Seerat Ul Nabi Ibne Hashaam mein... hazrat abu bakar ne apnay beta se jang mein kaha Mera Maal Kahan Hai ??

Matlab islam aur kufr ki jang mein hazrat abu bakar ko islam ki perwah nahi thi magar maal ziada aziz tha...

dekha aap ne hazrat umar ki bahaduri ?? life mein aik qatal kiya aur uss per bhi itni safain deni per gein...uss k baad jange ohad aaye to uss k waqiyat to shayed aap sab ko pata hi hain..kis se kuch chupanay ki baat bhi nahi hai.

[mufti-e-azam]

Khair yeh jange ohad k waqiyat ho gaye magar abhi tak hazrat umar ki bahaduri ka koi waqiya samnay nahi aa saka...koi baat nahi abhi bohat zindagi pari hai.

 

uss k baad jange khandaq mein to larai hui hi nahi bas umro ibne wud aur uss k kuch saathi aa gaye aur bakwas kernay lagay...yahan bhi hazrat umar ki bahaduri ki kuch jhalkian hain..Rasool Allah ne fermaya k koi hai jo iss kuttay ka moan bund karay..mola ali ne labaik kaha...Rasool Alalh ne kaha Ali tum beth jao..phir wohi sawal kiya..Mola ali phir kharay ho gaye..phir bethnay ka hukam hua..Rasool Allah ne jab phir wohi sawal kiya to hazrat umar se berdasht na hua to kaha Ya Rasool Allah! yeh umro bin wud hai..aik dafa mein aur yeh safar ker rahay thay k 40 daakuon ne hamla ker diya..umro ne onth k bachay ko dhaal bana ker larai ki aur sab ko bhaga diya... khair Mola ali a.s gaye aur umro ko finaar kiya..uss ka sathi bhaag khara hua..hazrat umar uss ko marnay k liye peechay bhagay..achanak jab uss ne peechay dekha k umar aa raha hai to ruk gaya aur talwar larkari to hazrat umar se talwar gir gaye to uss ne talwar wapas rakhtay huay kaha..umar mera yeh ahsan yaad rakhna

Iss jang k baad Sulahe Hudaibiya hui.. to janab yahan bhi aap ne bahaduri dikhanay mein kanjoosi nahi dikhaye...Rasool Allah ne hazrat umar ko bulaya aur kaha k jao quresh walon ko mera message de do k hamara maqsad kiya hai to hazrat umar ne bari bahaduri se kaha..Rasool Allah mujhay quresh se darr lagta hai aur mujhay to koi wahan bachanay wala hai to mujhay to maaf hi rakho...

dekhi aap ne bahaduri ?? Rasool Allah k hukam ka saaf inkar ker dena bhi to bahaduri hai na...to janab yahan bhi humein bas pehlay jaisay hi bahaduri k waqiyat nazar aaye.

Ab hum Jange Khyber ki baat kertay hain..y

[mufti-e-azam]

Uss k baad aik aur jang ka waqiya bhi sahih bukhari mein hai..aik sahabi ne kaha k jab loag bhagnay lagay to mein bhi bhagnay laga mujhay hazrat umar nazar aa gaye to mein ne poocha yeh sab kiya ho gaya to hazrat umar ne bari bahaduri se kaha Allah ka hukam hai k bhago...

 

Khair yeh to jitni baatein mein ne books mein perhein aap ko bata dein phir aik sawal zehan mein aata hai k phir woh bahaduri kahan dikhatay thay ?? to uss k baray mein bhi mein ne kuch research ki hai.

Rasool Alalh ne aik shaks ko pakarnay k liye Mola Ali a.s ko bheja woh pakar ker le aaye to Rasool Allah ne uss se poocha woh thora be-qasoor nikala magar hazrat umar ki bahaduri ne josh mara aur kaha Rasool Allah! hukam dein mein iss ka ser urra doon...

 

 

Uss k baas fatahe makkah ka waqiya hai abu sufiyan ne Hazrat Ababs ki panah li hui thi,hazrat umar ne dekha to jaldi se pohncha aur kaha Rasool Allah! hukam dein k ser urra doon

 

to janab yeh thi hazrat umar ki bahaduri ki baatein...ab aik aur masla yeh hai k aap ne aksar kuch loagon se suna ho ga k bohat si ayaat hazrat umar ki wajah se utarein specially woh perda ka hukam Quran mein anay ka sehra hazrat umar ko pehnatay hain lakin mujhay hairangi hoti hai unn loagon per jinhon ne shayed aaj tak Quran perha hi nahi werna kabhi aisi baat nahi kertay...khair mein uss ayat ki translation yahan likhta hoon aur yeh yaad rahay k translation kisi shia alim ki nahi hai balkeh Aala Hazrat Ahmed Raza Brelvi ki kinz ul emaan fi tarjuma al Quran se liya hai.

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Surah Ahzaab Ayat 59:- Ay Nabi! apni bibion aur sahibzadion aur musalmanon ki auraton se ferma do k apni chadaron ka aik hissa apnay moan per dalay rahein...yeh uss se nazdeek-ter hai k inn ki pehchaan ho to satai na jaein aur Allah bakshnay wala mehrban hai.

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Matlab yeh hai k Rasool Allah ki kisi biwi ko bahir nikalnay per kisi ne sataya ya awazein kasein..to yeh kon tha ??

 

sahih bukhari mein hai k Hazrat Soada kisi kaam k liye bahir nikalein aur chadar bhi orhay huay thein magar hazrat umar ki unn per nazar per gaye aur lagay awazein kasnay k tum to abhi bhi kapron mein chupi hui nahi ho etc...woh wapas aa gaein aur Rasool Allah se hazrat umar ki batameezi ki shikayat ki k uss ne mujhay iss terha sataya..to foran perda ka hukam nazil ho gaya..to ab mein pochta hon k kiya yeh hazrat umar ki shaan hai ?? aik sharif aur naik aurat per awzein kasna kisi sharif admi ka kaam hai ?? kiya Rasool Allah ki biwion ki yeh izzat thi hazrat umar k dil mein ??

 

 

Yeh to hazrat umar ki perda k masla per shaan bayaan ki gaye hai..uss k ilawa bhi kuch inn ki shaan mein utarein..dekhtay hain k aur kiya aisi baat hai ??

Sahih bukhari mein hai k jab roza farz huay to uss waqt ramzan mein biwion k paas janay ka hukam nahi hota tha magar hazrat umar aur kaab chori chori apni biwion k paas gaye jis per ayat nazil hui

 

[mufti-e-azam]

Uss k baad Rasool Allah k samnay batameezi k saath awaz buland kernay walon mein bhi hazrat umar ka major role tha aur hazrat abu bakar ka bhi..matlab yehi woh dono thay jin ki wajah se itni sakht ayat nazil hui.

 

Uss k baad hazrat umar ki bohat mashoor bahaduri se Rasool allah ksaath batameezi per bhi ayat utari...

Sulahe Hudaibiya k waqt hazrat umar ne bohat batameezi ki Rasool Allah se aur phir abu bakar se bhi ja ker baat ki ya kahein k Rasool Allah ki shikayat ki.

 

 

Uss k baad gutakhi k mashoor waqiya batata chalon jee han pen aur paper ka masla

 

 

Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k mujhay pen aur paper do ta k mein tumhain aisi baat likh doon ta k tum meray baad laro mat magar hazrat umar ne unn se batameezi ki aur inkar ker diya aur na-zeiba ilfaz bhi kahay..ab aap kaho ge k woh ilfaz kiya thay to janab hazrat umar ne kaha k AAP hizyan keh rahay hain Naozbillah...

 

 

aur iss baat ka iqrar allama wahid uz zaman (wahabi) ne apni translation mein bhi kiya hai...

Uss k baad aik aur waqiya bhi batata chalon k Hazrat uma hi woh shaksiat thay jinhon ne apni biwi k sath ###### ###### kiya to Allah ko manah kerna para k aisi ghaleez herkatein mat karo..

 

To janab yeh hazrat umar ka poora shajra hai jo mufti e azam ne bari research se ikatha kiya tha aur aaj aap loagon k samnay paish kiya hai..to ab koi aisa shaks hai jo inn waqiyat ko perh ker bhi hazrat umar ko acha kahay ya acha samjhay ??

[abdulwahab]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 ستمبر 2013 by abdulwahab

[abdulwahab]

 

 

 

[abdulwahab]

 

 

 

 

 

[wasim raza]

Jazakallah abdul bhai.

[Muslima]

Ye jo Pehli Hadith pesh ki gayi hai Bukhari kitab al manaqib k hawalay se us par APKI TABIYAT SAAF KARNE K LIYE JAWAB ARZ HAI.

 

1) Apko ye hadith main lafz Dar to nazar agaya lekin APKA KHABEES DImagh yeh kion nahi parh saka keh Isi post main OOPER isi page par kuch or bhi likha hua hai 

 

Yani " Mujhse Muhmmad bin Kaseer ne byan kiya........ Abdullah bin Masood (rd) se ..... Unho ne kaha Hum log to JIS DIN SE UMAR MUSALMAN HOVE Barabar IZAAT SE RAHY.

 

2) Taqqiyah karna shayed Kafir shia ka dharam jo hai isi liye har waqt Munafiq Munafiqat kee he soch rakhta hai. Warna Apke apne Shia zaatebad main koi aisa maai ka laal naih paida hova jo keh itni bhi himmat rakhta ho. Zahir c baat hai Jub poora mooaashra Kafir ho or ikka dukka UNKA HE MASHOOR insan Islam qabool kar le to kya wo log unko Phoolon k haar pehnainge??? Umar (Rd) ka dar us waqti ghusa ki waja se tha jo un par Kafireen e Makka utaarna chahte thay, Zahir see baat hai keh Islam laany se pehle jitna bhi bahadar insan ho wo Muslim jitna bahadur nahi hota. or yeh to bilkul us waqt ka waqia hai jub unho ne naya naya Islam qabool kiya tha, na taleemat parhi thee or na he Hazoor alehisalam ki Suhbat main kuch der rahy thay. Or sub se bari baat yeh keh SHIYA BAD-ZAATON ko ye Taqqiya nahi karna chahiye. keh ye UMAR (RD) he thay jinki badolat Pehli baar MUSALMANO NE APNI MASJID BANA KAR NAMAZ PARHI THI..... <-------- Is par to kisi Kafir ki olad shia ka jawab nahi aya? Kya ab hum yeh keh dain Munafiqon ki tarha keh Ali(Rd) itne buzdil thay keh wo Public main Muslims ko Jamat nahi karwa saky or unko Umar (Rd) ka intizaar karna para??? Hargiz nahi Hum aisi behooda bakwas soch bhi nahi sakte ye SHIYA KO he dharam mubarak ho

 

 

 

Uske baad ap ne tehreer kiya hai keh :

 

(Uss k baad mein ne socha ho sakta hai k uss waqt dil kamzor ho gaya ho magar baad mein bahaduri dikhai ho...

Uss k baad jange Baddar ka waqiya hua to uss mein bhi hazrat umar ki koi bahaduri nazar nahi aati.. hazrat abu bakar ki bahaduri ka sirf aik waqiya mojood hai Seerat Ul Nabi Ibne Hashaam mein... hazrat abu bakar ne apnay beta se jang mein kaha Mera Maal Kahan Hai ??

Matlab islam aur kufr ki jang mein hazrat abu bakar ko islam ki perwah nahi thi magar maal ziada aziz tha...)

 

Jawab:

 

Pehli baat to yeh hai keh TUm kya or TUmhari Oqat kya jo tum Soch bhi sako arey jis Nasal main koi Hafiz-e-Quran he na ho wo bhala kis muh se Islam ki baat karti hai ?

(Note: Pehle scan lagao nalaiq shia - Maal ki fikar to Khumesni khabees ko bhi thi jubhi to Chandy ikathe kiye gay thay so called "islami nizam" k naam par iran main. or Ummat k tail par qabza kiya gaya yahoodi wahabiyon ki tarha. lihaza Abu Bakar (rd) par ungli uthane se pehle apni napak najas maloon paleed yazidi or Qatil-e-Hussain wali fitrat ko chor kar original scan laga phir iska bhi jawab -e- karaara le.

 

PHir tum ne Scan lagaya keh Usman bin affan or degar sahaba ka keh wo 3 din baad ay ye konsi bahadri thi. TO uska jawab yeh raha:

 

Tumhari SHia Aqal ne kabhi hadith parhi ho to tumko pata ho keh har hadees ka apna darja hota hai. kuch fabricated hadith ghari hovi hoti hain or kuch tareekh main bhi ghari hovi baaten hoti hain. 

The Shia will say that ‘Umar ran away from the battle of Uhud and they will present the following proofs usually (because there aren’t any other proofs):

 

حدثنا : أبو هشام الرفاعي ، قال : ، ثنا : أبوبكر بن عياش ، قال : ، ثنا : عاصم بن كليب ، عن أبيه ، قال : خطب عمر يوم الجمعة ، فقرأ : آل عمران ، وكان يعجبه إذا خطب أن يقرأها ، فلما إنتهى إلى قوله : إن الذين تولوا منكم يوم التقى الجمعان ، قال : لما كان يوم أحد هزمناهم ، ففررت حتى صعدت الجبل ، فلقد رأيتني أنزو كأنني أروى ، والناس يقولون : قتل محمد ! فقلت : لا أجد أحداًً يقول قتل محمد إلاّ قتلته ، حتى إجتمعنا على الجبل ، فنزلت : إن الذين تولوا منكم يوم التقى الجمعان

 

From ibn Jarir al-Tabari in Jami’i al-Bayan 4/193:

 

Abu Hisham al-Rifa’ee said: Abu Bakr ibn ‘Ayyash said: ‘Issam ibn Kulaib from his Father: ‘Umar made a sermon on Friday so he read Surat aal-’Imran and he liked to recite it when he made his sermons and when he ended on “Indeed, those of you who turned back on the day the two armies met” He said: On the day of Uhud we defeated them so I fled and climbed the mountain … (until the end of the narration).

 

Hadith grading: Abu Hisham ibn Yazeed al-Rifa’ee al-Kufi is weak by consensus of the scholars of Hadith, so this narration is extremely weak.

 

The second narration is that of Ibn Hisham al-Hamiree in Seerat al-Nabi 2/281:

 

قال الراوي : قال إبن هشام : وكان ضرار لحق عمر بن الخطاب يوم أحد ، فجعل يضربه بعرض الرمح ويقول : إنج يابن الخطاب لا أقتلك !! فكان عمر يعرفها له بعد إسلامه.

 

Ibn Hisham said: and Dirar pursued ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab on the day of Uhud and he began hitting him with the bottom of the spear…(until the end)

 

Hadith grading: Between Ibn Hisham and the battle of Uhud are fifty years so this narration is Mursal and weak and it doesn’t mention him running away.

 

These are pretty much the only narrations that mention anything about ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab , the same two narrations are found in several books so they’re just being repeated.

 

for example the Shia they’ll quote from al-Dhurr al-Manthur by al-Suyuti and make it sound as if it’s a different narration whereas in reality this is the exact same narration of ibn Jarir al-Tabari, or they might quote it from Kanzul-’Ummal by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi and say that this is a different source whereas in reality al-Hindi quoted it from al-Suyuti who in turn quoted it from Ibn Jarir with the exact same weak Sanad.

 

Other things which the Shia might use:

 

-They might use the narration of Ibn Katheer in al-Seerah al-Nabawiyah who took it from al-Beihaqi with its Isnad from ‘Ammar from Abi al-Zubair from Jabir and this narration doesn’t even mention ‘Umar so it’s useless.

 

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Abdulwahab bhai ne baqi sub sawalon k already jawab de diye hain. lanat ho Shiya mardood par