Imam ke peechy Quran or Sure Fatiha ki tilawat nahin

[Abdulsalam]

Wahabi Hazraat jo kehty hein ky Imam ky peechy Fatiha parne lazim hai unn say mein aik Question karna cahta hon ky aghar koi banda thora late ho jata hai aur woh Rukko mein Milta hai tu uss ki namaz ho jai gi ya nahi ?

Aghar hoo jai gi tu phir uss ne tu Surah Al-Fatiha nahi parhi aur aghar woh Surah Al-Fatiha Parne lag jata hai aur itne time mein Imam Rukko say uth kar sajda mein bhi chala jata hai tu aise soorat mein kya karna cahiye zara iss ki tafseel bata dein.

 

 

Janab Ghulam-e-Mustafa sahib

let me say one thing, agar main is ka answer de don to kia aap imam ke peechye fatiha ke wajoob ka iqrar kerke is ko qirat karna shoroo ker daingye??

jawab ko khair kuch bhi ho aap ka, mera kam hai jawab dena us ka jo ke aap ne poocha

to janab zara isi post ke "page1" per jayen jahan Ya Muhammadah sahib ne chalange kia tha ke "tamam ahle-hadith alimon ko chalange hai ke jawab dain ke aisi sorat(jesi ke aap ne batai) main rikat ho jayegi na nahin" to wahan bhi yahi jawab diya tha ke

"Rikat nahin hogi, us ne rikat dobara perhni hogi, ab yahan aap Abu Bakra wali hadith laingye to us ka jawab sirf ye hai ke us main Hazoor ne un ko dobara aisa nahin kernye ka hukm diya tha and us main ye bhi wazeh nahin hai ke Hazrat Abu bakra ne us rikat ko dobara ada kia ya nahin, jab is main ye wazeh nahin to jis hadith and Ayat main Fatiha and Qirat ke wajoob ka hukm hai us ke samnye is ko daleel nahin manye gaye"

 

iska hal ye bhi hai ke Imam Fatiha ki tilawat mainhar ayat main waqfa dy, jab fatiha ke bad sorat perhaye to waqfa dai takye muqtadi fatiha puri kerlain, fatiha ke bad sorat milanye ke baad rokoo main janye se pehlye waqfa dye take agar koi fatiha ke baad jamat main shamil hoa hai to wo fatiha perhlye, is ke ilawa sorat tilawat kertye hoye aik ayat se dosri ayat me sakta de, and muqtadi is saktye ke darmian fatiha ko perh lain.

 

Yaqeenan ab aap samajh gaye hongye

 

is ke ilawa aik aur baat batana chahta hon ke

Janab Imam Ghazali (RAH) ke mashoor kitab Keemia-e-Saa'dat main likha hai ke Namaz main rafayadain kia jaye and Fatiha zaroor perhi jaye and agar koi der se jamat main shamil hoa hai to jo tareeqa main ne uooper pesh kia us tariiqe se sorrat and rooku main jaya jaye" (Keemia-e-Saa'dat, Transalted by Muhammad Saeed Ahmed Naqshbandi (Khateeb masjid Data Ganj Bukhs Lahoor, Matbooa 1986,)

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Abdulsalam]

Janab Abdul Salam tumhy ghuniyat ultaliben par pehly hi jawab diya ja chuka hai kyu beja apni or humari energy waste karty ho...

 

 

Janab Ya Mohammadah sahib,

jesa ke main ne is post main Goth Qutub ke tareef bayan ki hai jo ke aap ke hi mashoor kibaon se iqtibas shuda hai, jis main ye bhi kaha gaya hai ke Baqool Goth sahib ke "MAIN MEHFOOZ HON" (jub ke hum to ye mantye hi nahin ko unhon ne khud ko kabhi goth kaha ho ya woh wahi tabhi kahi ho jo barelvi and deobandi ulama ne us se mansoob kar rakhi hai)

to phir un ki kitab main kisi ka dakhal karna kia un ki shan ko ghatana to nahin..... jab ke aap ke nazdeek goth sahin abhi tak zinda hain..ab un kia ye nahin chahiye tha ke apni (mafooq-ul-Fitrat, takweeni taqat) taqat se is ko bachatye ya phir un tamam kitabon ko khatam kerdetye ya phir kisi tarha us ka rad kartye???? kia is silsilye main aap ke KHOABON KO SHARIAT KA DARJA DENYE WALYE HAZRAT KE KHUAB BHI KHAMOOSH HAIN???

 

chalain aik aor baat aap ko batata chaloon jo ke abhi just pichli post main janab ghulam-e-mustufa ko diya ahi ke,

 

"Janab Imam Ghazali (RAH) ke mashoor kitab Keemia-e-Saa'dat main likha hai ke Namaz main rafayadain kia jaye and Fatiha zaroor perhi jaye and agar koi der se jamat main shamil hoa hai to jo tareeqa main ne uooper pesh kia us tariiqe se sorrat and rooku main jaya jaye" (Keemia-e-Saa'dat, Transalted by Muhammad Saeed Ahmed Naqshbandi (Khateeb masjid Data Ganj Bukhs Lahoor, Matbooa 1986,)

 

ab kia kia jaye ye to aap ke hi maktabye fikr ke hamil aik sahib jo ke khateeb-e-masjid Data Ganj Bukh Lahoor bhi hain ka tarjuma hai, ya yahan bhi koi daa'wa mojood hai is ke ghalat honye ya kisi ke ghalat batoon ke dakhil kerdenye ka

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Ya Mohammadah]

 

Janab Ya Mohammadah sahib,

jesa ke main ne is post main Goth Qutub ke tareef bayan ki hai jo ke aap ke hi mashoor kibaon se iqtibas shuda hai, jis main ye bhi kaha gaya hai ke Baqool Goth sahib ke "MAIN MEHFOOZ HON" (jub ke hum to ye mantye hi nahin ko unhon ne khud ko kabhi goth kaha ho ya woh wahi tabhi kahi ho jo barelvi and deobandi ulama ne us se mansoob kar rakhi hai)

to phir un ki kitab main kisi ka dakhal karna kia un ki shan ko ghatana to nahin..... jab ke aap ke nazdeek goth sahin abhi tak zinda hain..ab un kia ye nahin chahiye tha ke apni (mafooq-ul-Fitrat, takweeni taqat) taqat se is ko bachatye ya phir un tamam kitabon ko khatam kerdetye ya phir kisi tarha us ka rad kartye???? kia is silsilye main aap ke KHOABON KO SHARIAT KA DARJA DENYE WALYE HAZRAT KE KHUAB BHI KHAMOOSH HAIN???

 

Bus ab aap jaisy Ahle ...ha..eeso se aisy hi aitraaz ki ummed thi...is bakwaas ko parh kar koi Tajjub bhi nahin ki ye koi nai mughallazaat nahin jo pehli baar aapny baki ye bimari koi nai nahin jo aapki rago me dor rahi hai balki ye bohot purani bimari hai jo aapko apky jad-e-Amjad se mili hai jo is tarah ke beja aitraaz karky Ambiya or owliya Allah ke ikhteyaraat par sawaal karky apny imaan ko barbaad kar dene ke mutaradif hai....

Mohammad bin abdul wahab ne apni lathi le kar ek oont ko kaha ki dekho me Mohammad ka wasta isy de kar kehta hu ki uth ja par ye nahin utha...ab me apni lathi se is oont ko hankta hu...jis se oont utha gaya....phir usny ye bakwaas baki jo mene upar quote ki hai...iska behtreen mu torh jawab usi ke bhai Shaikh Suleman Bin Abdul Wahab ne diya ki agar tu aisy aitraaz karta hai to phir me kehta hu ki le Allah ka naam or phir keh is oont se ki uth ja Allah ke naam par kya oont uthega...? nahin na ab le isi lathi ko or haank oont ko to ab bol ke Allah ke naam me bhi koi taqat nahin baki or teri ye Lathi Allah se zyada Taqatwar hai (MazAllah)...to kafir chup ho kar reh gaya...to janab Zurriyat e Mohammad bin Abdul Wahab aap phir ye batlayein ki kya aaj tak Quran e paak ki be hurmati nahin hui...? kya Quran e paak ko kuffaro mushriko yahoodi or Isaiyon ne Jalaya nahin..? or abhi kuch din pehly hi news mene parhi mail par ki Quran e paak ki fake copies, tehreef e quran karky publish kiya gaya hai to kya kahiyega phir aap Allah ki Qudrat par bhi aisi hi ungli utha dijyega...Allah samajhny ki toufeeq de..or yahan aik topic me dusry topic ko discuss karna rahy faraar se zyada kuch nahin jo aap qutub abdaal or owliya ke tasarruf or unky ikhteyaar ko lekat rony beth gaye hain...

 

raha aitraaz un ref. ka jo sure fatiha imam ke peechy parhny ke qayal thy...to iska bhi jawab aapko saeedi bhai ne raseed kar diya par aap parhny ki zehmat uthyaein to kuch aql me aaye bhi..

 

 

[Abdulsalam]

to janab Zurriyat e Mohammad bin Abdul Wahab aap phir ye batlayein ki kya aaj tak Quran e paak ki be hurmati nahin hui...? kya Quran e paak ko kuffaro mushriko yahoodi or Isaiyon ne Jalaya nahin..? or abhi kuch din pehly hi news mene parhi mail par ki Quran e paak ki fake copies, tehreef e quran karky publish kiya gaya hai to kya kahiyega phir aap Allah ki Qudrat par bhi aisi hi ungli utha dijyega...raha aitraaz un ref. ka jo sure fatiha imam ke peechy parhny ke qayal thy...to iska bhi jawab aapko saeedi bhai ne raseed kar diya par aap parhny ki zehmat uthyaein to kuch aql me aaye bhi..

Janab Ya Mohammadah sahib, Quran ki Allah ne zimedari li hain and wo hi us ki hifazat karnye wala hai, jis ka saboot aap ke kahin na kahin se mil jata hai ke us main tehreef mumkin nahin, tehreef karnye walon ki zindagion main is qisim ke kitni hi ibrat angiz waqiat darj hain jo ke is harkat ke nateejye main hoye.

Yahan hum ye to jantye hain ke Allah beniyaz hai, lakin yahan aap beniaz nahin...? and is tarha is waqiyea ko biyan karnye ka matlab ye bhi nikal sakta hai ke aap Naooz Billah Apne Buzurg ko Allah ke muqabil khara kar rahye hain ke lathi and Camel ke qissye se....? zara misal detye hoye khayal rakha karain......

Allah samajhny ki toufeeq de..or yahan aik topic me dusry topic ko discuss karna rahy faraar se zyada kuch nahin jo aap qutub abdaal or owliya ke tasarruf or unky ikhteyaar ko lekat rony beth gaye hain...

 

Farar....? janab zara ghor se dekhain, main ne kia apni pichee posts main kia post hai, Ghuniyatuttaleben se iqtibas, Keemya-e-Saadat se iqtibas, and in sub se pehlye Quran se saboot, us ke baad Hadit (sahi) se saboot,

aik aur cheez agar aap ke nazdeek tamam Imam (4 Imam, Shaa'fai, Maliki, Humbali, Hanafi) sahi hain (Haq per hain) to Shaafai, Humbali, Maliki Fatiha Khalful Imam ko mantye hain to phir aap kion nahin mante,

isi liye na ke Imam Abu Hanifa nahin mantye, yaani meri baat sahi hai Usool-e-Karkhi ke mutabiq "agar koi Hadith ya Ayat Qol-e-Imam ke mukhalif ho to us aayat ya hadith to mansookh samjha jayega or Qol-e-Imam ko rajeh"

zara mere sawalon ka jawabat to dain jo main ne post keye hain as "Sawalat from a Ghair Muqallid"

 

 

Ref of Hadith of Huzoor-e-Akram ka namaz main aa kar milna Hazrat Abu Bakar ki imamat ke darmiyan

to janab zara is hadith ko Bukhari-o-Muslim main dekhain and tafseelan dekhain phir zara yahan bayan karain ke asal waqia kia hai, jahan tak mere naqis ilm ka taaluq hai Hazoor-e-Akram

ne Hazrat Abu Bakar ko namaz ki imamat ko jari rakhnye ka ishara kia tha, Wa-Allah-o-Aalam bis Sawab.

jahan tak ye zikr ke Hanafi Ulama ne jo fatiha ke wajoob ka iqrar kia hai wo sab sofi thye ya hanafi they to humarye silsilye main hujjat nahin....... to janabe man main kab keh raha hon ke wo humarye liye hujjat ahin, main to ye keh raha hon ke janab wo bhi aap ke hi hum maslak hain lakin wo mantye hain, and aap bhi un ki hi mantye hain... lakin wajoob-e-fatiha se phir bhi inkar?? kia ye hat dharmi nahin.......

humarye liye Quran phir Hadith phir Aqwal-e-Sahaba

phir is ke bawajood koi nas na milye to aqwal-e-Taabaenn and un ke manne walye hi kafi hain

Abdul Salam

[Abdulsalam]

raha aitraaz un ref. ka jo sure fatiha imam ke peechy parhny ke qayal thy...to iska bhi jawab aapko saeedi bhai ne raseed kar diya par aap parhny ki zehmat uthyaein to kuch aql me aaye bhi..

 

 

Jahan kar raha aap ke Saeedi bhai ke jawab ka masala to janab zara ghor farmain ke wo to keh rahye hain ke "Dil main fatiha perh lini chahiye na ke zuban se??????"

agar ye baat aap ya aap ke tamam ashab pehli post main man jatye to shaid hum yahan per further baat nahin ker rahye hotye

 

kion ke aap ke nazdeek, pehlye to parha hi ghalat, secondly jo parhye us ke mun main angarye, third apnye tamam ulama, buzurgon ki tehqeeq ko thukratye hoye apni baat per arye rehna.......

 

Rahi baat Zaban se na perhnye ki and dil main perh lenye ki to janab zara us page ko dobara dekhain jis main main ne Bukhari Shareef ka page post kia hai us main is ke hal mill jayga

 

Aap ka bohat bohat shukariya ke aap ne and aap ke saeedi bhai ne wajoob ka iqrar kar liya, yaqeenan aap ub har namaz main sora fatiha (muqtadi hone ki sorat main) zaroor perhaingye (chahye dil main perhain ya zuban se perhain)

is baat ka mtlab kisi qism ki shikast na li jaye balke ye batana maqsad hai ke jo log is ke shiddat se mukhalif hain wo bhi zara khayal rakhian.

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Ya Mohammadah]

Janab Ya Mohammadah sahib, Quran ki Allah ne zimedari li hain and wo hi us ki hifazat karnye wala hai, jis ka saboot aap ke kahin na kahin se mil jata hai ke us main tehreef mumkin nahin, tehreef karnye walon ki zindagion main is qisim ke kitni hi ibrat angiz waqiat darj hain jo ke is harkat ke nateejye main hoye.Yahan hum ye to jantye hain ke Allah beniyaz hai, lakin yahan aap beniaz nahin...? and is tarha is waqiyea ko biyan karnye ka matlab ye bhi nikal sakta hai ke aap Naooz Billah Apne Buzurg ko Allah ke muqabil khara kar rahye hain ke lathi and Camel ke qissye se....? zara misal detye hoye khayal rakha karain......

ye seekh to tum ja kar Mohammad bin Abdul wahab ke pairokaro ko do jakar jo Is tarah ke ghaleez aqeedy apni kitabo me phela gaye hain..ye jawab ilzaami tha. na ki aitraazi. Apny jis andaaz me sawaal kiya tha ki agar in buzurgo me koi ikhteyaar or taqat thi to kyu nahin inhnoy apni kitabo me tehreef ko rok diya...? to iska jawab aap ke mu se khud nikal aaya ki Allah be niyaaz hai or uski jo mslihat hoti hai wo usi ke tehat zulm karny walo ko mohlat deta hai ab is mohlat par tum Ambiya or owliya-Allah ko beikhteyaar or Majboor kehny me zara dair nahin karty...kya tumhy nahin maloom ki humara aqeedah hai ki is duniya me jo kuch hota hai Allah ke izn se hota hai to ambiya or owliya bhi tab tak kuch nahi karty ab tak ki Allah ka izn hasil na ho...ab jahil is maslihatan takheer ko ambiya owliya ki beadabi or beikhteyaar majboor tehrany ka bahana bana lein to wo apny imaan ki khair khud manayein...ye seekhein apny ghar ke liye bacha kar raky to aapky haq me behtar rahega...

 

Farar....? janab zara ghor se dekhain, main ne kia apni pichee posts main kia post hai, Ghuniyatuttaleben se iqtibas, Keemya-e-Saadat se iqtibas, and in sub se pehlye Quran se saboot, us ke baad Hadit (sahi) se saboot,

or humny Quran or Hadees jaisy paish hi na ki....uska jawab kon dega? or faraari nahin to topic change kyu kiya janab or kyu qutub abdaal ka masla cher bethy...or is sy kya samjha jaye ki aapky pas humary dalail ke jawab nahin....

 

aik aur cheez agar aap ke nazdeek tamam Imam (4 Imam, Shaa'fai, Maliki, Humbali, Hanafi) sahi hain (Haq per hain) to Shaafai, Humbali, Maliki Fatiha Khalful Imam ko mantye hain to phir aap kion nahin mante,

kya aap fatiha khalful Imam ko farz sabit kar rahy hain? agar nahin to furui ikhtelaaf ko kyu itna uchal kar apni wahabiya ki haqqaniyat sabit karny par utaru hain? 4 Imamo ke furuaat me beshumar ikhtelaaf hain to iska matlab ki wo haq par nahin...? Abdul salam tumy abhi itni basic si cheez ka ilm nahin ki humara baqiya mazhab se sirf furui ikhtelaaf hai aqeedy me nahin jabki wahabiyat se ikhtleaaf furui to hai hai par usooli/aqeedy me bhi hai.....

isi liye na ke Imam Abu Hanifa nahin mantye, yaani meri baat sahi hai Usool-e-Karkhi ke mutabiq "agar koi Hadith ya Ayat Qol-e-Imam ke mukhalif ho to us aayat ya hadith to mansookh samjha jayega or Qol-e-Imam ko rajeh"

 

iski tashreeh kary ki aap kya ilzaam lagana chahty hain...?

 

jahan tak ye zikr ke Hanafi Ulama ne jo fatiha ke wajoob ka iqrar kia hai wo sab sofi thye ya hanafi they to humarye silsilye main hujjat nahin....... to janabe man main kab keh raha hon ke wo humarye liye hujjat ahin, main to ye keh raha hon ke janab wo bhi aap ke hi hum maslak hain lakin wo mantye hain, and aap bhi un ki hi mantye hain... lakin wajoob-e-fatiha se phir bhi inkar?? kia ye hat dharmi nahin.......

aapki larai wajoob ke liye hai ya farziyat ke liye .....

 

humarye liye Quran phir Hadith phir Aqwal-e-Sahaba phir is ke bawajood koi nas na milye to aqwal-e-Taabaenn and....

Humny QURAN bhi paish kiya Hadees bhi Aqwal E Sahaba BHI par tumny kya kiya....?

un ke manne walye hi kafi hain

[achcha abhi tak to tum GM ka nara tha ki Humary liye Allah hi kafi hai....jo Ambiya owliya ko kaafi many wo Mushrik ho jata tha...aaj ye shirk ka irtekaab kyu?

[Abdulsalam]

 

....ab jahil is maslihatan takheer ko ambiya owliya ki beadabi or beikhteyaar majboor tehrany ka bahana bana lein to wo apny imaan ki khair khud manayein...ye seekhein apny ghar ke liye bacha kar raky to aapky haq me behtar rahega...

In Sari batoon ka aik matlab ke aap ke mangharat Owlia Allah, Allah ki tarha kuch maslihatan chor detain hain???

warna un ki taqat to aik aap ke wali ke mutabiq ke "aik aowrat (lady) ko kaha ke tumhaye naseeb main Allah ne Larki likhi thi main ne loh-e-Mehfooz main us ko tabdeel ker ke larka lith diya"

sahi hawala baad amin donga warna yaqeenan aap ko to maloom hi hoga

or humny Quran or Hadees jaisy paish hi na ki....uska jawab kon dega? or faraari nahin to topic change kyu kiya janab or kyu qutub abdaal ka masla cher bethy...or is sy kya samjha jaye ki aapky pas humary dalail ke jawab nahin....

is ka matlab ye hai ke khud aap ke ulama, walion, imamon(jo faiha to wajib/farz mantye hain imam ke peecheye bhi perhnye ko) unhon ne bhi aap ke paish kiye hoye Quran-o-Hadith se rud gurdani ki aur wo baat manli jo ke ghalat thi.....?

lakin nahin aysa nahin hai bulke unhon ne jaan liya tha ke Haq kia hai, ab aap ya to Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Imam Ghazalai, Imam Shaarani, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Muhammad, mukhtalif ulama, Sahi Hadith, Qurani Aaya ko chor ker apnye aik tang per kharye rahain aur sab ko ghalat kahain....

kya aap fatiha khalful Imam ko farz sabit kar rahy hain? agar nahin to furui ikhtelaaf ko kyu itna uchal kar apni wahabiya ki haqqaniyat sabit karny par utaru hain? 4 Imamo ke furuaat me beshumar ikhtelaaf hain to iska matlab ki wo haq par nahin...? Abdul salam tumy abhi itni basic si cheez ka ilm nahin ki humara baqiya mazhab se sirf furui ikhtelaaf hai aqeedy me nahin jabki wahabiyat se ikhtleaaf furui to hai hai par usooli/aqeedy me bhi hai.....

bhai sahib faroi ikhtlaf nahin ye wajoob(khalful imam) ka masala hai jis se namaz ki sehat per asar perta hai, faroi ka taluq dosra hota hai us main faraz ya wajibat discuss nahin hotye, bulke nafil, mustahib, mubah, makroh, fazail discuss hotye hain

iski tashreeh kary ki aap kya ilzaam lagana chahty hain...?

is ki tashreeh.... janab is ki kisi qisim ke tashreeh chahiye to Usool-e-Karkhi uthao mujh se kia poochtye ho, kion ke kar to wahi rahye ho, to wajah bhi maloom ho jayegi, our ilzam ka pata bhi chal gaye ga. warna sabit karo ke ye aap nahin mantye and ayesa aap nahin kertye?

aapki larai wajoob ke liye hai ya farziyat ke liye .....

shaid wajib us ko kehtye hain ke jis ke na kernye se namaz ka duhrana zaroori hota hai (us sameek), agar bhool jain to Sajda-Sahaw kertye hain? if yes to aap wajib kaho ya phir faraz magar mano zaroor, and maan to liya hai lakin qabool kernye se dartye hain.....

Humny QURAN bhi paish kiya Hadees bhi Aqwal E Sahaba BHI par tumny kya kiya....?

un sab ka jawab sirf aik tha ke ayat bilkul sahi, Hadith kuch Zaeef, kuch Mozo, and agar kuch sahi to in tamam main istadlal ghalat, ye sirf main nahin lehta bulke aap ke ulama bhi, imam, wali bhi kehtye hain

Yaar kion aik maslye main khood ku haq per sabith kernye ke liye jhoot per jhoot, be buniyad batoon, ghalat istadlal ka sahara le rahye ho,

agar aap humari koi baat nahin mantye to na mano lakin apnye ulama jin ko Goth pak, Imam Ghazali, Imma Shaarani, kehtye ho un ke baat to mano,

[achcha abhi tak to tum GM ka nara tha ki Humary liye Allah hi kafi hai....jo Ambiya owliya ko kaafi many wo Mushrik ho jata tha...aaj ye shirk ka irtekaab kyu?

main ne aaj tak, ya hum main se aaj tak kisi ne is matlab main ye nahin kaha ke humare liye Allah hi kafi hai,,, kion ke hum achi tarha jantye and mantye hain ke Quran humain Sahib-e-Quran se mila, jis ke tafseer aap ke baad sahaba ne humain baatai.... phir ye sirf aik ilzam hai, rahi us ayat ki ke jis main Hazoor-e-Akram se Allah ne kaha ke "farma dijiye ke mere liye sirf Allah hi kafi hai" to janab zara us ki tafseer uthain to maloom hoga ke wo muqa-mahal kia tha and kin se kehnye ko kaha gaya tha...

 

 

 

 

Reply dekh ker socha ke koi dalil ke sath jawab milye ga lakin yahan to istafsarat hoye, ghalat to apni hi kitabon ko keh nahin saktye aap..... kia kiya jayeee

 

main phir bhi salamti ki dua deta hon ke aap per Allah salamti karye (jo ke Hazoor-e-Akram ke mutabik har sakh ke haq main karni chahiye), and gair muslim ya mushrik ke sawal ke jawab main "Waalekum" ke agar wo koi ghalat baat (humqafia) kahye to us per ulta wapis kerdain..

 

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Ghulam E Mustafa]

 

Janab Ghulam-e-Mustafa sahib

let me say one thing, agar main is ka answer de don to kia aap imam ke peechye fatiha ke wajoob ka iqrar kerke is ko qirat karna shoroo ker daingye??

jawab ko khair kuch bhi ho aap ka, mera kam hai jawab dena us ka jo ke aap ne poocha

to janab zara isi post ke "page1" per jayen jahan Ya Muhammadah sahib ne chalange kia tha ke "tamam ahle-hadith alimon ko chalange hai ke jawab dain ke aisi sorat(jesi ke aap ne batai) main rikat ho jayegi na nahin" to wahan bhi yahi jawab diya tha ke

"Rikat nahin hogi, us ne rikat dobara perhni hogi, ab yahan aap Abu Bakra wali hadith laingye to us ka jawab sirf ye hai ke us main Hazoor ne un ko dobara aisa nahin kernye ka hukm diya tha and us main ye bhi wazeh nahin hai ke Hazrat Abu bakra ne us rikat ko dobara ada kia ya nahin, jab is main ye wazeh nahin to jis hadith and Ayat main Fatiha and Qirat ke wajoob ka hukm hai us ke samnye is ko daleel nahin manye gaye"

 

iska hal ye bhi hai ke Imam Fatiha ki tilawat mainhar ayat main waqfa dy, jab fatiha ke bad sorat perhaye to waqfa dai takye muqtadi fatiha puri kerlain, fatiha ke bad sorat milanye ke baad rokoo main janye se pehlye waqfa dye take agar koi fatiha ke baad jamat main shamil hoa hai to wo fatiha perhlye, is ke ilawa sorat tilawat kertye hoye aik ayat se dosri ayat me sakta de, and muqtadi is saktye ke darmian fatiha ko perh lain.

 

Yaqeenan ab aap samajh gaye hongye

 

Abdul Salam

 

Jo tareeqa app ne bataya konsi hadith say sabit hai ?

[Abdulsalam]

Jo tareeqa app ne bataya konsi hadith say sabit hai ?

 

 

 

1) "Quran ko ahista ahista ther ther kar parho"

2) "Hazoor-e-Akram ki aadat mubarika thi Quran ko ahista ahista perhnye ki"

3) "Hazoor-e-Akram aik surah se doosri surah ke milane ke waqat waqfa kartye thye"

4) "Namaz ke aik position se doosri position main jatye hoye waqfa detye thye"

 

in sab ke ilawa ye hadith hi is silsilye main kafi hai ke Namaz Sorrah Fatiha ke baghair nahin hoti se mil jata hai ke Muqtadi jo ke late aaya hai wo kis tarha fatiha ko tilawat kar sakta hai,

 

Doosri taraf is silsilye main jab koi sarihan nas na milye to (jo ke aap bhi kahye gay ke hum is ko nahin man saktye) to Aqwal-e-Sahaba, Tabaeen, se rujoo karna chahiye

 

 

 

Teesri taraf again hum to ye tareeqa hi kartye hain han agar aap ko maloom karna hai to please read Keemya-e-Saadat az Imam Ghazali, Fasal Namaz, Transalted by M Saeed Ahmad Naqashbandi,

 

 

Allah ghalation ko muaf farmaye (Aameen)

 

Abdul Salam

[Ghulam E Mustafa]

1) "Quran ko ahista ahista ther ther kar parho"

2) "Hazoor-e-Akram ki aadat mubarika thi Quran ko ahista ahista perhnye ki"

3) "Hazoor-e-Akram aik surah se doosri surah ke milane ke waqat waqfa kartye thye"

4) "Namaz ke aik position se doosri position main jatye hoye waqfa detye thye"

 

in sab ke ilawa ye hadith hi is silsilye main kafi hai ke Namaz Sorrah Fatiha ke baghair nahin hoti se mil jata hai ke Muqtadi jo ke late aaya hai wo kis tarha fatiha ko tilawat kar sakta hai,

 

Doosri taraf is silsilye main jab koi sarihan nas na milye to (jo ke aap bhi kahye gay ke hum is ko nahin man saktye) to Aqwal-e-Sahaba, Tabaeen, se rujoo karna chahiye

Teesri taraf again hum to ye tareeqa hi kartye hain han agar aap ko maloom karna hai to please read Keemya-e-Saadat az Imam Ghazali, Fasal Namaz, Transalted by M Saeed Ahmad Naqashbandi,

Allah ghalation ko muaf farmaye (Aameen)

Abdul Salam

 

Keemya-e-Saadat ko choro janab meine jo pocha uss ka mujhe Quran o Hadith say answer cahiye kya tum logon ka yeh dawah nahi ky Wahhabion ka har kaam Quran o Hadith ky mutabiq hota hai ?

So jo Surah fatiha nah parhai uss ki namaz nahi wali hadith say meray Question ka answer nahi milta mujhe Quran o Hadith say woh alfaz aur woh tareeqa batao jo app ne bayaan kiya nahi tu yeh dawah karna chor do ky tum logon ka har kaam quran o hadith say sabit hai.

Aqwal-e-Sahaba tak tu baat meine suni thi per app pehly wahhabi ho jiss ne kaha aqwal-e-tabaeeen beharhal app apni baat ka saboot pesh karo.

[Abdulsalam]

Keemya-e-Saadat ko choro janab meine jo pocha uss ka mujhe Quran o Hadith say answer cahiye kya tum logon ka yeh dawah nahi ky Wahhabion ka har kaam Quran o Hadith ky mutabiq hota hai ?

So jo Surah fatiha nah parhai uss ki namaz nahi wali hadith say meray Question ka answer nahi milta mujhe Quran o Hadith say woh alfaz aur woh tareeqa batao jo app ne bayaan kiya nahi tu yeh dawah karna chor do ky tum logon ka har kaam quran o hadith say sabit hai.

Aqwal-e-Sahaba tak tu baat meine suni thi per app pehly wahhabi ho jiss ne kaha aqwal-e-tabaeeen beharhal app apni baat ka saboot pesh karo.

 

 

ye kesi baat kardi aap ne "Keemya-e-Saadat" ko choro, janab ye to hum hain jo kehtye hain ke humarye ulama ke bat us waqat tak daleel nahin hosakti jab tak ke sabit na hojaye ya us waqat jab us ke mukhalifat main kuch na milye

 

jab aap ko aapki hi kitabon se dikhaya to khas Daleel ki zaroorat per gai.......??? ye agar pehlye apnye ulama se mang letye (Ayaat,sahi Hadith, Qol, Sanad,) to ye sab maslye hotye hi nahin......

 

merye sawalat "sawalat from A Ghair muqalid" abhi tak tashna hain kab tak wait karon??????

 

 

Yani ke aap yahan tak to maan gaye ke Ftiha zaroori hai, bus aab tareeqye ke jis se muqtadi phir sorah fatiha perhlye chahiye to aap phir completly maan laingye, Allah ka lakh lakh shukar hai

 

well insha Allah zaroor donga Hazoor ki namaz ke tareeqye se, mukhtalif Ahadith, Aqwal se,

Han agar na mannye ki than hi li hai to bata do, phir khoa makhoah koshish nahin karonga

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Abdulsalam]

Keemya-e-Saadat ko choro janab meine jo pocha uss ka mujhe Quran o Hadith say answer cahiye kya tum logon ka yeh dawah nahi ky Wahhabion ka har kaam Quran o Hadith ky mutabiq hota hai ?

So jo Surah fatiha nah parhai uss ki namaz nahi wali hadith say meray Question ka answer nahi milta mujhe Quran o Hadith say woh alfaz aur woh tareeqa batao jo app ne bayaan kiya nahi tu yeh dawah karna chor do ky tum logon ka har kaam quran o hadith say sabit hai.

Aqwal-e-Sahaba tak tu baat meine suni thi per app pehly wahhabi ho jiss ne kaha aqwal-e-tabaeeen beharhal app apni baat ka saboot pesh karo.

 

 

Janab Ghulam-e-Mustafa

Pehlye bohat si posts main bayan ho chuka hai ke, humara sab se pehlye amal Quran-o-Hadith, secondly Aqwal-e-Sahaba , thrirdly Aqwal-e-Taabaeen then Aqwala-e-Taba-Taabaeen and is ke bawajoo kisi maslye ka hal na milye to phir ulama-e-Haq ke aqwal and aamal,

 

jab Quran-o-Sunnat se koi baat sabit ho to phir hum kisi aur ke qol ke taraf nahin jatye and isi silsilye main kaha jaata hai ke humara amal Quran-o-Sunnat ke mutabiq hai jesa ke Quran main irshad-e-Bari Taa'la hai ke jab tumhain koi masala derpesh ho to un se maalom karo jo ilm walye hain, jesa ke Hadith se sabit hai ke jab nas na milye to aqwal se then qayas se kam lena..... to hamara amal kis per hoa... yaqeenan Quran-o-Hadith per kisi dosrye per nahin.....

 

ab rahi aap ke baat to janab aap ko aap ke ulama, kitabon, aqwal se sabit kerdiya ke Fatiha khalful Imam zaroori hai (ab ye aapo un se bhi poochyen ke kion) to aap akhir main "Tareeye" per aagaye? jab aap ko ye pata hai ke nas na milnye ki soorat main aqwal-e-Sahaba, Aqwal-e-Tabaeen, and Taba-Tabaeen se hujjat pakarni hai to phir tareeqye ki behas kesi, unhi aqwal se ye sabit hai,

 

baqi rahi sahi hadith to janab aap ko bhi pata hai ke hadith se jab kisi masalye ka intambat kia jata hai tu main tamam ke tamam alfaz ka wo hi hona zaroori nahin...

lehaza Quran ko Ahista Ahista (Ther Ther ker) parha Ayat e Qurani and Hadit se sabit hai, (Hazrat Ayesha ke hadith Bukhari main

Namaz main aik kefiyat se dosri kefiyat main dakhil honye per aitadal karna Hadith se sabit hai, (Hazoor-e-Akram ke namaz sikhanye wali hadith bukhari main)

 

ab aap ko kia kahon apni baat manwanye ke liye kahan tak chalye gaye aap, tamam atraf se aankhyen band kerlieen..... ?

Afsoos Sad Afsooos

 

kia aap yahan is tarha apni la-ilmi sabit nahin kar rahye?

 

Allah se dua hai ke tamam logon ko Haq ke pehchan ata karye, humain aur aap ko Iman per khatma bilkhair ataa' farmaye

 

Allah Ghalation ko muaf farmaye

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Saeedi]

aap ki baqi batoon ka jawab bhi do char din main aaraha hai, humare han loadsheding ka problam hai , is liye takheer ho jati hai. pehli batoon ka jawab hazer hai, saeedi

[Ghulam E Mustafa]

ye kesi baat kardi aap ne "Keemya-e-Saadat" ko choro, janab ye to hum hain jo kehtye hain ke humarye ulama ke bat us waqat tak daleel nahin hosakti jab tak ke sabit na hojaye ya us waqat jab us ke mukhalifat main kuch na milye

 

jab aap ko aapki hi kitabon se dikhaya to khas Daleel ki zaroorat per gai.......??? ye agar pehlye apnye ulama se mang letye (Ayaat,sahi Hadith, Qol, Sanad,) to ye sab maslye hotye hi nahin......

 

merye sawalat "sawalat from A Ghair muqalid" abhi tak tashna hain kab tak wait karon??????

 

 

Yani ke aap yahan tak to maan gaye ke Ftiha zaroori hai, bus aab tareeqye ke jis se muqtadi phir sorah fatiha perhlye chahiye to aap phir completly maan laingye, Allah ka lakh lakh shukar hai

 

well insha Allah zaroor donga Hazoor ki namaz ke tareeqye se, mukhtalif Ahadith, Aqwal se,

Han agar na mannye ki than hi li hai to bata do, phir khoa makhoah koshish nahin karonga

 

Janab app ki iss post ka jawab bhi mein next post mein deine wala hon neechy read karain.

 

Janab Ghulam-e-Mustafa

Pehlye bohat si posts main bayan ho chuka hai ke, humara sab se pehlye amal Quran-o-Hadith, secondly Aqwal-e-Sahaba , thrirdly Aqwal-e-Taabaeen then Aqwala-e-Taba-Taabaeen and is ke bawajoo kisi maslye ka hal na milye to phir ulama-e-Haq ke aqwal and aamal.

 

Janab Abdul Salam sahab shaid app apne aqeedah ky khilaf kuch likh gai ULAMA-E-HAQ KE AQWAL tu Taabaeen, Tabah Taabaeen tu buhat dor ki baat hai aghar app ky Ulama ki books say sabit kar don ky Ma'azAllah Sahaba ki Baat Hujjiyat nahi aur Sahaba ki kahi baat ya Sahabi ka Qoul Daleel nahi tu phir apne Ulama ky baray mein app kya Fatwa dain gai ?

 

Waisy app ne mujhe sochne per majboor kar diya ky mein tu samajhta tha ky Wahabiyah Hazraat ka kehna hai jo baat Quran o Hadith say sabit nahi uss ko hum nahi manty ya keh lain ky Wahabi ka har amal Quran o Hadith say sabit hai.

 

Meray pass Book mojood nahi laikin mein Ibn-e-Timmiyah ki book ka hawala jald app ky samne pesh karon ga ky Fatiha Khalf-ul-Imam ky baray mein uss ka kya fatwa hai. Insah'Allah!!!

[nasirb786]

Nice Posting Jazak Allah

[Abdulsalam]

 

Janab Saeedi Sahib

 

1) Dill main perhnye ke silsilye main aap kia ye kehna chahtye hain ke Baqool aap ke Jab Allah ne Is waqat khamoosh rehnye ka hokum diya hai to dil main perhlenye se is ki hukam adooli nahin hogi??

 

Yaqeenan hogi lakin.. to phir is ka doosra matlab to ye hi hai ke is ka wajoob hai sabit hoa???

 

 

2) Fasaada se related post already mojood hai, jis main wazeh hai ke Zehri (Rah) se Mooamar Fasaada zikr kernye main munfarid hain. (Hafiz Ibn-e-Hajar and Ibn-e-Habban) Sahi al Hadith 1883)

 

Main ne is Hadith se inkar nahin kia na hi is ki sanad ko kuch kaha hain, lakin ulama (Ibn-e-Haja and Habban) ke nazdeek ye sanad to sahi hai lakin lafz "fasaa'da" ke silsilye main munfarid hain

 

Is hadith per aitraz (jo ke aap ne khud zahir ker diya ke Bukhari (Rah) aap ke nazdeek Hanafi se ikhtilaf rakhtye thye,) to Sorrah Fatih ke sath koi soora bhi milani chahiye??? Yani again sorrah fatiha ka wajoob sabit hota hai, jahan tak hamara taaluq hai to hum Bukhari ki Hadith, Muslim ki Hadith, and doosri Kutub-e-Ahadith se is ke (tasdeeq) main warid hoi hadithon se istadlal ke tehaht sirf Soorah Faitha ko Wajib Mante hain (jo faraz ke darrjye main pohanchti hai, Hzoor-e-Akram ke hukum ke mutabiq)

 

 

Hazrat Abu Hurera se marvi ke “ meri Fatiha fot na hone dena” ka aik jawab hi ho sakta hai ke is Hadith ko aap Wajoob fatiha ke against main nahin le saktye, sarsari nazroon se Ahadith ko dekhnye se yahi hota hai, ye dekho ke muhadetheen akram ke nazdeek is hadith ko raqam karnye ka kia matlab hai,

 

Bilfarz agar aap is se istadlal karna hi chahtye hain to ye zehan main rakhain ke again ye jehri qirat wali namaz thi, ye khayal rakhnye ko kaha ke meri fatiha fot na ho to Ther ther kar tilawat ki jaye, and agar ther ther kar tilawat kernye ka pata nahin deti to is ka matlab hai ke tilawat hi na shoroo ki jaye and mere jamat ko milnye ka wait kia jaye”

 

Is ke ilawa yaqeenan doosri sorat bhi milani hogi tabhi (kion ke Jehri Qirat thi, Aameen sunnye per hi Ammen ko na chootnye ka kaha gaya), to us sorrat ke sakton ke darmiyan bhi Sora Fatiha ki tilawat ho sakti thi and ho sakti hai,

 

 

Imam Sharani ki kitab Ghaisul agham/Ghaisul Maa’ram ka hawala to diya jo ke Hanafi Imam hain, Kitab ka aks bhi insha Allah pesh kardonga. Main ne inkar bilkul bhi nahin kia. Lakin baat wahin per pohanchti hai ke Ahadith ki aap ke nazdeek koi woqqat nahin?? Lakin Imam Shaa’rani ki kitab ke aks per hai….?

 

 

Aap ke akhri (kion ke doosrye tamam sawalat topic se hat kar hain and is ka jawab aap ke ulama bhi de saktye hain), ke Imam Bukhari ne Mukhalifat-e-Ahnaf main is Hadith ko complete riwayat ki… doosrye alfaz main unhon ne khiyanat ki….? To phir Bukhari ko Quran ke baad sahi tareen kitab kehna ghalat ho jayega……? Kia ye sahi hai……..? ye hi wajah thi jis ke liye main ne poocha ke aap ka kia maslak hai kion ke aap hanafiat ke bhi mukhalifat main likh rahye hain (yaqeenan sirf kisi risala se jo ke kisi qisim ke tehqeeq ke bajaye sirf mukhalifat-e-Islaf main hai…..

 

 

Janab Saeedi sahib zara tehqeeq kerlain phir jawab dain, agar koi jawab is waqat na ho to main thora wait kar sakta ton lakin jaldi main koi jawab na dain, meharbani hogi

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Saeedi]

[Abdulsalam]

 

Janab Saeedi sahib

Shukar hai Allah ka ke aap ne ye to bataya ke Hazrat Jeelani (RAH) Hambali they,

 

Ab kuch bohat asan se sawalat zehan main uthtye hain jis ke sawalat jawabat talab hain?

 

 

1)Maslak Islam

 

Ab ye bhi kaha ja sakta hai ke un ka ye ikhtiyar shuda madhab bilkul sahi tha and hai, tabhi to aap ke Peeran-e-Peer ne ye madhab ikhtiyar kia ya woh is se wabista they? Or kia hi baat hai ke peer to hanafion ke lakin muqallid Imam Hambal ke, or kia hi baat hai ke Imam Hambal ko bara mantye thye jab ke Ghoth ke taa’reef main aap ko aapki hi kitab se dikha chukka hon (Mazeed ye ke sawal bhi post ki hoi hai) ke Nabi ke baad Goth hi sab se bara hota hai, takvinee hakoomat us ke hath main hoti hai waghera waghera. To phir zara ye bhi batain ke Imam Hambal ki taqleed kion kertye thye direct (Bilawasta) Hazoor-e-Akram ki ittiba kion nahin kertye thye?

 

 

2)Sofi Izm

 

Kia hi madhab hai Sofi Izm ke islam main ajmi honye ke bawajood maslak ko nahin manta lakin Islam main jab islam main Ittiba-e-Rasool ki baat hoti hai to Taqleed ko kaha jata hai (Very Strange)

 

Quran –o-Hadith ko chordo lakin Qol-e-Imam ko pakro (Usool-e-Karkhi)

 

Wesye ye Tasawoof ka system hi samajh se bala tar hai (wesye Kashful Mahjood ke mutabiq Sofia ke chothye (4^th) ya panchvey (5^th) tabqye ne sofi izm ke system ko complete kia), and agar koi is system ko samjh sakta hai to aik Sofi, missal ke tor per agar Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to tama Ambia jo ke sofion ke baqol beyakwaqt Nabi bhi they and Goth bhi, un ke baad Hazrat Ali , un ke bad aik or sahib (Baqool Kemaye Saadat, translated by Mohammad Saeed Ahmed Naqshbandi) thye, unke baad Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH), alkin un ke baad koi nahin, too sawal ye zehan main aata hai ke jab Goth hamesha zinda rehta hai to phir mazeed kisi goth ki kia zaroorat? Doosri ye agar bilfaraz ye maan bhi lia jaye ke mazeed Goth mojood hain zinda hain to phir to masala ho jayga ke tamam ke pas takvinee hakoomat hasil hai to aik kaenaat ke itnye hukmaran, wah kia hi shirk ka darwaza khola hai?

 

Mazeed ye ke agar madad hi mangni hai to Allah se kion nahin, chalo is ke baad aap ke baqool tamam aqsam ki madad Nabi se kion nahin, is ke baad Hazrat Ali se kion nahin, is ke baat goth sahib se kion nahin, bulke in sab ke ilawa sofi-izm main peer sey ya phir some time Ulama se. wah wah

 

Kia is ka matlab Allah kisi madad ke poora karnye se aajiz hai (Zaooz-o-Billah), ya aap ke baqool Nabi ajiz hain? (wazeh rahye ke ye gustakhi ke zimrye mainaatee hai), ya phir Hazrat ali ajiz hain? Han agar ajiz nahin hain to aap ke peer sahib, Goth Sahib, aap ke Ulama…. Ajeeb tareen bat hai.

 

Logon ko our kinta bewaqoof banao gye???

 

Isi leye to poochtye hian ke ye Sofi Izm kon sa madhab hai jo kehta hai aik ho jao lakin islami aqayed and farooi muamlat main kehta hai ke taqleed karo apnye imamaon ki?

 

To taqleed se behtar to Sofi Izm hoi? Kion na isi ko qabool kerliya jaye, is ke tamam shirkia aqeedah ko mantye hoye?

 

Ab aatye hai aap ke aitarazat bajawab-e-post of Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen

 

Talaqe Slasa: ghair aham to koi nahin samajhta bulke is teen aik waqt ki talaq ko aik hi mantye hain (ghair aham nahin), doosri zakir naik ke ilmi taaqub main Talaq-e-Buta ke mane (meaning) aap ke Hanafi Aalim ke zubani matlab samjhadiya hai.

 

Mazeed kuch aur aap ke gosh guzarna chahta hon ke, zara ye batain ke jesa ke Quran main Sora Nisa Ayah 23 main hai ke “tumhari Main (Mothers), Betian, Behnain, Phophiyan, Khalayen (Mother Sister), Bhateejian, Bhanjeyan, razai mother, razai behanain, tumhari bivion ke main jin se tum sohbat kerchukye ho or pichli larkian jo ke aksar awoqat tumhari perqarish main hon tum per haram hai, to janab agar koi sakh ahmaqana pan se ya ghalti se in se nikah ker ley to kia us ko in se wati ki ijazat di jaye gi ya nahin?

 

Jawab zaroor dain,

 

Ab agar Quran main wazeh hai ke (Sorah Baqara Ayat 226 se 229) talaq deny eke liye kia tareeqa ikhtiyar kia jaye to phir apni mantiq se teen aik waqt main denye per kia Allah ki Hukam adooli nahin ho gi doosrye alfaz main kia Haram nahin hoga?

 

Ab aik mazeed bat suntye jayen, Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas ravi hain ke “Hazoor-e-Akram ke zamana Mubarik Main, or Hazrat Abu Bakar ki khilafat main or Umer ke Khilafat main bhi do (2) sal tak teen (3) talaqain aik hi hoti thin phir Hazrat Umer ne farmaya ke logon ne aik ayse kam main jald bazi shoro kardi hain jis main in ko muhlat thi, pas agar hum in teenon hi ki in nafiz kerdain to munasib hai, pash aapne in teen talaqon ko nafiz kerdiya (Muslim, Jild 1, Page 377)

 

Lehaza Abdul Qadir Jeelani ke baat ka sahi mafhoom ye hi hota hai ke is ko ghair aham na samjhja jaye bulke aik ki hi hesiayat di jaye

 

 

Shetan ka beta

 

Janab Nafrat insane ko kis darja gira deti hai is ka izhar aap ki is baat se hi hota hai, SHetan ke doosrye betye ka nam Hadith!, Janab phir to aap ko tamam Ahadith-e-Mubarika ko hi chor dena chahiye ke tamam ulama ke nazdeen Qol-e-Rasool ko hi hadith kehtye hain, jin ke yahan hum baat ker rahye hain, doosri taraf kehan, bolna bayan karna bhi Hadith ke maano main istimal hota hai, ye Ahadith-e-Mubarika hi hain jo aap ko apni manmani kernye se rooktye hain, and Baqool Hazoor-e-Akram “main tum main do (2) cheezain chorye ja raha hon, aik Quran and dosri apni sunnatain”, or ye sunnatian kahan se sabit hoti hain, Ahadith-e-Mubarika se hi, ab khud batain aap ka aqeedah basically hai kia???

 

Namaz ke silsilye main aap jis masjid ki baat ker rahye hain wo Hanafi Masjid hi hai aap ke Hanafi MAslak ke doosri shakh Deoband ki, kahan is ko Ahl-e-Hadith se mila diya, shaid and Yaqeenan aap ko Ahle-e-Hadith ke barye main kuch ziyada ilm nahin hai.

 

 

Najdiyana Khayanat….. wah

 

(i), (ii), janab ye aap ko sirf batanye ki liye post ki thi ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ki namaz kesi thi and ye bohat pehlye hi bata chukka hon ke ye humarye nazdeek hujjat ke qabil nahin, lakin aap ke nazdeek honi chahiye. Lakin yahan to wahi baat hoi ke Taqlee-e-Jamid ka chashma laga ker dekha and isko Hazoor-e-Akram ke Qol ke mukhalifat main apni baat ko manwanye ke liye aeri choti ka zoor laga diya (“Namaz parho jesa ke mujhye perhtye dekhtye ho”)

 

(iii) Ikhtilaf to nahin kertye lakin azan, Aqamat, Naat, (some time Qawali), Elanat(announcement), waqghyera main is ko zaroor perhtye hain, azan ka aik mustaqil hiss bana diya, ab agar kahin azan shoro ho gai ho and wahah per Salat-o-Wasslam na perhi jaye to tamam log ye samajh lengye ke ye aik barelvi ki masjid nahin (numayan/ mukhtalif nazar aanye ke liye aik aisa amal), to phir…?

 

(iv)Humarye Liye Bukhari, Muslim, Mowta Imam Malik, waghyera afzal hain Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen ke muqablye main, lehaza Takhne se takhna milatye hain, na ke sirf kandhe se kandha,

 

“Numan Bin Bashir sahabi ne kaha ke main ne dekha (Saf main) aik shaksh hum me se apna Takhna apnye qareeb walye ke takhnye se mila ker khara hota” (Bukhari, Babul Izaqil Munkib)

 

Is silsilye ki doosri Hadith

 

Hazrat Umro Bin Khaild, un se Zuheeir bin Muavia, un se HAmeed, un se Anas unhon ne Hazoor-e-Akram se ke farmaya “safian braber karon, main tumhain apnye peechye se bhi dekhta rehta hon our hum main se har shakhs ye karta ke (saf main) apna mondha apnye sathi ke mondhye se and apna qadam apnye sathi ke qadam se mila deta tha”

 

Jabke aap ka in donon per hi amal nazar nahin aata (kuch janghon per), ke 2, 2, 3, 3, ungli jagha mojood rehti hai and koi milnye ko tayar milta hai koi nahin, Imam sahib aatye hain kuch to Saf ko durust kernye ka boltye hain kuch wo bhi nahin boltye, aaye, namaz perhai, chalye gaye

 

(v) Kutub Ahadith ke muqablye main Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen ki kia hasiyat, in main likha hai ke Niyat Dil ke iradye ka nam hai, na zuban ke

 

(vi) takbeer akehri ho ya dohri dono per humain bhi aitiraz nahin, lakin Bukhari ki hadith se to sabith hai akehri takbeer, secondly jab hukm hai ke “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye perhtye hoye dekhtye ho” to phir kia kia jaye??,

 

(vii)Aap naf ke uoper hi hath bandh lain, namaz to ho jayegi, aitiraz is ke ilawa nahin ke “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye erhtye hoye dekhtye ho” tabhi hum is tarha perhtye hain and doosri tareeqa se bhi. Is ke ilawa Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen main hai

 

(viii) Zara dobara mulahiza farmayen ke main nain aik isitafsar bhi post kit hi is silsilye main and us ki details bhi zara us ko dobara mulahiza farmayen

 

Jin becharon ne Ghuniat-tut-Talebeen ab tak perhi nahin thi un ko to pata hi nahin tha ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ka aqeeda, namaz kesi thi and jo kuch bhi molvi hazrat bayan farma dain wo hi theek ho ga

 

(ix-x) Aamen Biljahar, Rafa Yadain! Kam azkam aap ye to mantye hain ke ye heeyat-e-Namaz main se hai, lehaza Qol-e-Rasool Allah “Namaz us tarha parho jis tarha mujhye perhtye hoye dekhtye ho” ke misdaq isko aap kia darja daingye, tamam logon ko bhi bata dain?

 

20 Rikat Taravieh and Noor, indono ke liye mera jawab yahan per wohi hai ke Ghuniyat-tut-Talebeen aap ko samjhnanye ke liye thi and is ki tamam baton per aqeeda hum rakhtye hi nahin, na hi ye hujjat hai

 

 

Qirat Khalful Imam

 

1)Tu Janab meri and apni pichli post main dil main perhnye ke silsilye main main ne jab kaha ke “shukar hai ke aap man gaye ke dil main perh lena chahiye” aap ka reply the ke hum nahin mantye and jhoot na boloon??, ab aap dobara is ko maan rahye hain!!!???

 

2)Phir Muslim ke Hadith main Mumar ke Munfarid honye ke silsilye main bhi aap ke hi mukhalifat main hai, jab ke hum is ko Quran ke Ayat ke tehat chor detye hain (our jab quran perha jaye t khamoos raho), is se fatiha khalful Imam sabit hoti hai.

 

3)Matlab to mera wahi hai jo jawab main likha hai (han men ne jumla ghalat kilha hai ke Aameen ki jagha fatiha ka zikr kar diya), yani, ye baat kuch ajeeb si lagti hai ke ‘takbeer-e-owla fot ho jaye, fatiha fot ho jaye, Aameen fot na ho?, yani ke humye kisi Hadith main ye to nahin milta ke Aameen fot ho jaye to namaz nahin ho ti. Kia aap ko mili? Mujhye to ye lagta hai ke aap is hadith ka matlab nahin samajh sake ke Ameen to 2 ya 3 second main insane keh sakta hai, lakin phir bhi is ke fot na hunye denye ke liye Hazrat Abu Hurera(RA) ka israr.

 

4)Kerdaingye Hawala bhi pesh (scaned page) Isha Allah, lakin wohi baat again ke Quran, Hadith, Qol, Amal in sab ki koi ahmiyat nahin? Agar hai to apnye aik Imam ki, bohat bara muqam de rahye hain aap,???

 

5)Jab aap Zehar ko Shehad main lappet ker pesh karaingye to us ki taseer Zehar ki hi rahye gi, Shahad nahi ho jaye gi, (aap ka jumla tha mukhalifat-e-Ahnaf main) is ko aam shakhs bhi perhye ga to yahi samjhye ga ke khiyanat hai ya mukhalifat, ab doosrye imamon ka amal un ke sath jaye ga and ja chukka. Ab agar un ka qol Quran-o-Hadith ke khilaf nahin jata to hum in ki kisi baat ki tashi kernye wale hum kon??, hum kharye ho ker Peshab kernye ki Hadith per bhi amal ker saktye hain agar cha ke is main hum aik doosri haidth ke mukhalifat main na chalye jaien (ke Hadith ke mutabiq Peshab ke cheenton se pachna chahiye,) lehaza agar is ka koi hal ho to is Hadith per bhi amal ho sakta hai, and mukhtalif European mumalik main majbooran aisa kerna bhi perta hai, ke wahan per humarye yahan ke tarha is ke liye intizam nahin hota.

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Saeedi]

[Abdulsalam]

Janab Saeedi sahib

Bohat khushi hoi aap ka reply dekh ker, tamam pichlye guzrye tamam dinon ke post ka reply kerdiya aap ne....

 

Bohat hi achha hota ke aap bilkul us tarha meri post ka jawab likthye jis tar ha main ne likha tha numbron ke lehaz se

Kion ke is tarha (jesa ka aap ne reply kia hai) aap khud bohat se sawalat ko hazam ker gaye jo ke khalisatan aap ke aqayed se related thye (sofiizm se)

 

Wesey main is waqt jawab nahin de raha aap ki post ka kion ke aap ne bohat se Aetrazat ko aik sath ker diya hai jub ke meere sawalat ka jawab dena pasand nahin kia aur Sawal ka Jawab Sawal hi ki sorat main pesh kia hai

 

Lakin kher main zaroor koshish karon ga ke aap ki post ka jawab numbron ke lehaz se don, is main mujhye kuch din lag jayengye, Yaqeenan aap bura nahin manyen gey.....

 

Han sab se Aakhri chand lines ka jawab to nahin keh saktye lakin radde amal zaroor keh saktye hain ke

"Sahi kaha ke Sirf Momin ke Moula hain" kion ke aaj ki duniya main Momin to Shia Hazrat sirf apny aap ko kehtye hain.

Ahle-e-Sunnat ko to Marjai kehtye hain..

Mujhye Allah bachaye Shirk main per ker Momin kehlanye se

 

Abdul Salam

Edited 26 جنوری 2009 by Abdulsalam

[MOUWAHID]

bohat achi sharing hia bhai......

 

God Bless You.

[Abdulsalam]

 

Muhtaram Saeedi sahib

Ghunyat-tu-Talebeen main mojood Namaz ke Tareeqah ko post karnye ka Maqsad aap or aap ke hum Maslak Logon ko ye batana maqsood tha ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ke namaz kesi thi, is main kis baat ko bayan karna ya kisi baat ko na karna kisi Tehreef ya Takhreej na thi bulke sirf tamam logon ko kuch Haqayeq batana maqsood thye jis main Al-Hamdo-Lillah main kaamyaab hoa

 

2) Ijtahidi Maslak

 

Janab Ijtahadi maslak per us waqt tak sawab hoga jab tak ke us ki mukhalifat/rad main sahi hadith na mil jaye, jab sahi hadith mil jaye to us se rojoo kerna bhi musalman ki zimedari hai, ab agar hum apny apny ulama ki baton ko hujjat bana lengye to phir Andhi Taqleed hoi, Qol-e-Aaemma (charon maslak ke) hai ke jub humarye qol kisi sahi hadith ya quran se takraye to us qol ko chor do, kuch ka kehna hai ke divawr per de maro. Ab aap ye batana pasand karaingye ke ye in Aaemmon ne kion kaha?

 

 

6) Takweeni Hakoomat-o-Nizam

 

Takweeni Hakoomat Allah ki hai is ko matye hain, lakin is main Sajhye-dari(Partner-Ship) aap ke Ghoth, Qutub Abdal, Imam, Wali ki hai, is ke munkir hain, ab aap bataingye ke is ko aap kia kahengye?

 

Allah na Quran main jin farishton ke zimmye jo kam lagaya hai us ko to manna hai kion ke ye Allah hi ne ye kam un ko bantye hain, Faristhye masoom hain. aab loog jo khud sakhta tor per khud ko ya Akabir(Wali, Goth, Qutub, Abdal) ki in muamlat main ijarah dari mantye hain who to sarihan shirk hi hai, warna aap khud hi sabit karain ke kis Hadith ki ro se ye sabith hai ke Allah ne apnye Bandon (Insanoon) main se kisi ko Jannat ka darogha, Barish barsanye walal, Soor Phonknye wala, Wahi leker aanye wala, Raham-e-Madar main bachye tak rooh dalnye ki zimedari ata ki hai?? Baraye meharbani kisi zaeef hadith se , Qol-e-Soofiya se is ko sabit na karain.

 

7) Waseela

 

Janab Waseela Hazoor-e-Pak ne apni zindagi main aik Nabina Sahabi ko dua sikhai ke mere waseelye se dua karo, abb aayte hain Hazrat Umer ked or-e-Hakoomat main, jo ke barish ke dua kartye/karwatye hain hazrat Abbas ke waseela se un ki Zindagi main, ab agar us waqt bhi Waseela Hazoor-e-Akram ka jayez hota to janab Hazrat Umer zaroor Hazoor-e-Akram ke Waseelye se dua kertye ya karwatye. Yaqeenan ye baat to samajh main aatee ho gi?

 

8) Talaqe Slasa:

 

Ghair aham to koi nahin samajhta bulke is teen aik waqt ki talaq ko aik hi mantye hain (ghair aham nahin), doosri zakir naik ke ilmi taaqub main Talaq-e-Buta ke mane (meaning) aap ke Hanafi Aalim ke zubani matlab samjhadiya hai.

Mazeed kuch aur aap ke gosh guzarna chahta hon ke, zara ye batain ke jesa ke Quran main Sora Nisa Ayah 23 main hai ke “tumhari Main (Mothers), Betian, Behnain, Phophiyan, Khalayen (Mother Sister), Bhateejian, Bhanjeyan, razai mother, razai behanain, tumhari bivion ke main jin se tum sohbat kerchukye ho or pichli larkian jo ke aksar awoqat tumhari perqarish main hon tum per haram hai, to janab agar koi sakh ahmaqana pan se ya ghalti se in se nikah ker ley to kia us ko in se wati ki ijazat di jaye gi ya nahin?

Jawab zaroor dain. Intizar karon ga

 

Ab agar Quran main wazeh hai ke (Sorah Baqara Ayat 226 se 229) talaq deny eke liye kia tareeqa ikhtiyar kia jaye to phir apni mantiq se teen aik waqt main denye per kia Allah ki Hukam adooli nahin ho gi doosrye alfaz main kia Haram nahin hoga?

Ab aik mazeed bat suntye jayen, Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas ravi hain ke “Hazoor-e-Akram ke zamana Mubarik Main, or Hazrat Abu Bakar ki khilafat main or Umer ke Khilafat main bhi do (2) sal tak teen (3) talaqain aik hi hoti thin phir Hazrat Umer ne farmaya ke logon ne aik ayse kam main jald bazi shoro kardi hain jis main in ko muhlat thi, pas agar hum in teenon hi ki in nafiz kerdain to munasib hai, pash aapne in teen talaqon ko nafiz kerdiya (Muslim, Jild 1, Page 377)

 

Lehaza Abdul Qadir Jeelani ke baat ka sahi mafhoom ye hi hota hai ke is ko ghair aham na samjhja jaye bulke aik ki hi hesiayat di jaye

 

10) Ghunyat-tu-Talebeen main mojood Namaz ke Tareeqah ko post karnye ka Maqsad aap or aap ke hum Maslak Logon ko ye batana maqsood tha ke Abdul Qadir Jeelani (RAH) ke namaz kesi thi, is main kis baat ko bayan karna ya kisi baat ko na karna kisi Tehreef ya Takhreej na thi bulke sirf tamam logon ko kuch Haqayeq batana maqsood thye jis main Al-Hamdo-Lillah main kaamyaab hoa

 

11) Azan se pehlye Darood Sharif ke silsilye main , Janab zara is Hadith ke sanad mulahiza farmain, phir batain ke aap log is tarha ki hadith bhi Hujjat ke liye le letye hain?, Sanad kuch is tarha hai

 

“Ahmed bin Muhammad bin Ayoub, Sana Ibraheem bin Saa’d An Muhammad bin Ishaaq bin Jaafar bin Alzubiar An Urwah bin Alzubair An imra’tim-man Bani Najjar (Bani Najar ki Aik Sahabiya)”

 

To Janab is Hadith main do tarha ka Nuqs hai, i) Muhammad bin Ishaq aik murrikh to hai lakin Muhaddith nahin, Ye Qadri bhi hai, jahan kuch Ulama ne is ko Siqqa likha hia wahan Ulama ne is per jirah bhi ki hai, agar ye akelye riwayat karye to us k sehat mashkook hai. Ii) Bani Najjar ki Sahabiya ka nam kia tha, kefiyat kia thi, kisi our se ye riwata our kahan per (nam ke sath) li gai hai?, to is tarha is nuqs ke saath aap is Hadith ko Azan se pehlye Darood perhnye ke silsilye main Hujjat samajhtye hain?, to phir “Tasweeb” perhnye ko biddat bhi kaha gaya hai, to phir aap log aaj kal apni masajid main Aqamat se pehlye Darood kion parhtye hain??? Ab aap kis Hadith se is ka Jawaz sabit kertye hain??

 

 

12) Qadam se Qadam milana, Jab aik riwayat jis per amal karna namumkin main se ho is ki Tasdeeq-o-Toehqeeq ki zaroort ya mansookhi ke liye kisi riwayat ki zaroorat nahin rehti hai, janab aap zara kisi sehat mand aadmi ko kahain ke char (4) ungli ke distance ke sath khara ho ker ur itminan ke saath namaz perh ker dikhaye….. aap ko jawab khud hi mil jayega. Isi liye Ahl-e-Hadith ke yahan jisamat ke lehaz se kharye honye ka hukm hain

 

 

Jahan tak Takhnye se Takhnye milanye ka sawal hai to yahan aap sahi hain ke ye amal mumkin nahin he kion ke is tarha some time Safon ke darmiyan khala barh jata hai, Lehaza Hadith ka sahi mafhoom qadam se qadam milana hoga na ke Takhnye se Takhna.

 

 

To mera khayal ye hai ke is ka matlab Imam ke nazdeek yahi hai ke Qadam se Qadam milaye and Kandhye se Kandha, lakin aam Awam is ko Takhney se Takhna milana ya guthnaye se Guthna milana samajhti hai jo ke na mumkin hai

 

 

14) Akehri Takbeer

 

Janab mantye hain or some time amal bhi kertye hain, Bukhari jo ke tamam masalik ke nazdeek Tamam Kutub Ahadeeth se ziyada mutabir hai kion ke is main sahi hadith ziyada taadad main hain banisbat doosrye majmooye ke, main takbeer ka tareeka is tarha warid hoa hai.

 

 

15) Seenye per Hath Bandhna

 

Agar Seenye per hath bandhnye ki Hadith agar Bukhari-o-Mulsim main nahin to kia is ka matlab hai ke is silsilye main warid hoi Ahadith jo ke doosri kitabon main mojood hai wo sahi nahin hai?? Is had tak ikhtliaf, khair doosri kitaboon/majmoo-on main warid Ahadith bhi sahi hain or un ke mutabiq humara bhi amal hai, warna humara bhi kehna hai ke Hath seenye per bandhain ya Naf se uooper, ye neechye Namaz to behar hal ho jayegi, Lakin Hadith ke mafhoom ke mutabiq humari koshish hoti hai ke Namaz us tarha parhi jaye jesa ke Hazoor-e-Akram ada kartye thye.

 

19) Qirrat-Insaat

 

I) Janab, aik tarf to aap ka kehna ke Qirat hi nahin, doosri taraf zaban hilaye baghair dil main Qirat “laabass” koi haraj nahin. Aap aik sahabi se marvi ye keh rahye hain ke Sahaba ke nazdeek dill main zuban hilaye baghair Qirrat Laa-Baas, to janab Juz Bukhari ke Mutabiq Janab Siddiq-e-Akbar , Janab Umer , Janab Usman , Janab Ali se Qirrat Khalful Imam ka saboot hai. Is ke ilawa mazeed Sahaba-e-Ikram se bhi sabit hai to ab aap kia kahyengye??

 

Teesri taraf aap ka kehna ke tamam masalik (Shafai, Maliki, Hambali, Hanafi) sahi, to phir ye batayen ke shafai or Hambali ka to Qirat Khaliful Imam per amal hai to who kia ghalat amal hai??

 

 

II) Jhoot to nahin janab lakin ye zaroor kaha hai ke pehlye to Qirrat se inkari they ab Insaat ke sath mantye hain, jis ke silsilye main aap ne “la-baas” tehree ki. To phir…, wesye Qirrat nafsi main bhi irada zaroori hai, or sahi se tilawat karnye main Tawajja bhi chahiye..,

 

 

 

III) Jin Ahadith ka hawala aap detye hain woh to jehri Namazon main Qirat se rokti hai na ke Sirri namzon main

 

 

20) Muslim ke Riwayat ke mutabiq "Fasada" ka zikr munfarid hunye per

Aap kehtye hain ke Ye Riwayat Abu dawood main bhi Sufiyan se marvi hai.....

to Janab zara ye batayen ke kahin aap is Riwayat jis ki sanad kuch is tarha hai to nahin keh rahye

"Qateeba bin Saeed bin Alsrah,Sufyan, An Zahri, An Mahmood bin Al Rabie, An Ibadah Bin Samit"

 

Agar han to janab is hadith ka Akhri tukra kion bhool gaye aap riwayat ke barye main bata tye hoye?, jo ke aap

 

ke mukhalif ho jati hain ke "Sufyan kehtye hain ke Riwayat Tanha Namazi ke liye hai" (Muqtadi ke liye nahin)

 

to phir aap ki baat muqtadi ke liye na honye ki sorrat main ghalat ho gai…………!. Is per to amal tamam Ahl-e-

 

Sunnat ke maslakon ka hai, mera bhi, aap ka bhi.

 

 

Is silsilye main sirf Muslim ke hi Hadith nahin warid hoi hai bulkye mazeed ahadith bhi hain, un tamam per aitaraz karain and sabit karain to phir baat ban sakti hai, mazeed ye ke, Ye to aap ko pata hi hai ke Shafai or Hambali donon Fatiha Khaliful Imam per amal kartye hain.

 

21) Hazrat Abu Hurera ke Ameen ka fout na Honye Dena

 

Janab, Hanafi Tashreeh ko manna koi bari baat nahin, man saktye hain lakin sirf us soorat main ke woh Quran-o-Hadith se mutabiqat rakhti ho. Is tarha kisi aam or naamaloom shakhs ki tashreeh bhi sar aakhon per, lakin agar mukhalifat main hoi to kitnye hi barye or jayyad aalim ki ho hum nahin manyegye

 

Janab sawal hanooz wahi hai ke kis waja se unhon ne kaha ke meri Aameen fout na honye dena, kion ke kisi hadith se ye sabit to nahin ke Aameen na kahi jaye to Namaz nahin hoti, Doosri taraf Abu Hurera se hi aik riwayat Fatiha Khalful Imam ki Ahadith main mojood hai??

 

Ye do masalye to bilkul wazeh hain, ab meri samajh main ye nahin aa raha ke main aap ki baat kesye manon?

 

22) Doosra Imam Shaa’rani ki Kitab ka hawala jis per aap kehtye hain ke scanned page pesh karain Fazool Batain Na Karnain, Wah! Ulta chor kutuwal ko dantye? Janab Sawalat Sofiizm se related ko hazam kergye aap

 

jo ke Aapki post ke reply main main ne kia tha, ke ye kon sa mazhab hai jo kehta hai ke aik Ho jaoo Sofi Izm ke liye

 

Tamam masalye aik tareeqa se hal karain, Qawwali karain, Urus karain, Nazr-o-Niyaz, chehlam, Soyem etc

 

karain, Namaz-e-Ghosia parho. or is ke liye har qism ki Zaeef, Gharib, Mozo, Ahadith per amal kerain, lakin

 

namaz ke liye Sahi Haidth per bhi nahin or agr koi amal ka taqaza karye to us per qadghanlagana shoro kerdain

 

?????

 

Lakin jab islam per amal kernye ke bari aati hai to kehtye hai batt jao firqon main or Allah ki Rassi ko chor do

 

?????

 

Wesye main bhi us kitab ko dhondh raha hon takye aap ko us ka page scan ker ke de sakon, aik sahib se baat

 

Nahin ho paa rahi hai is silsilye main

 

 

Lakin shaid ab aap us waqat tak nahin manye gye jab tak main scanned page post na kardon……..

 

 

23) Hazrat-e-Bukhari per Aitraz

 

Janab sada sa jawab hai nahin. jis andaz se aap samajhtye hain us tarha to nahin, yani ke Mukhalifat-e-Ahnaf, kion ke is tarha to aap, hum or tamam logon ke liye sahi Adadith ke Zakheerye ki woh afadiyat khatam ho jayegi jo ke abtak hai, or Mukhalif-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat wal jammat ka asal maqsad hi yahi hai, lehaza hum ye to mantye hain ke un se ghalati ho sakti hai, kisi zaeef ravi ka qol le leya hoga (jesa ke liya hai), kisi ravi ko siqqa (un ki nazar main) samajh ker koi ghalat riwayat le li ho gi. Lakin ye kehna ka jan boojh ker ya kisi ki mukhalifat main is tarha ka kuch amal kia hoga ye ghalat hai or main or hum sub is se ittifaq nahin kertye.

 

 

Ibn-e-Arabi, Naad-e-Aliiya, Sharai-o-Batini uloom, Usool-e-Karkhi, ye sab Sawalat from ghair muqallis se related post hain, Jawab wahin donga.

 

Baraye Meharbani Apni Post wahin per Post karin

 

 

 

 

Abdul Salam

[Saeedi]

Edited 31 جنوری 2009 by Saeedi

[Abdulsalam]

 

20) Muslim ke Riwayat ke mutabiq "Fasada" ka zikr munfarid hunye per

Aap kehtye hain ke Ye Riwayat Abu dawood main bhi Sufiyan se marvi hai.....

to Janab zara ye batayen ke kahin aap is Riwayat jis ki sanad kuch is tarha hai to nahin keh rahye

"Qateeba bin Saeed bin Alsrah,Sufyan, An Zahri, An Mahmood bin Al Rabie, An Ibadah Bin Samit"

 

 

Janab Saeedi sahib

Muslim ke riwayat main Imam Nouvi ne Fasa'ada ke Mumer ke Zehri se munfarid hunye ka ziker kia hai, Hawala ke Liye Muslim mazkora Hadith Mulahiza karain,

Shaed is ki Waja Dawood main is riwayat ka "An" ki soorat main riwayat hona hai, Mujhye to khi khas ilm nahin lakin Imam-e-Fan-e-Hadith "An" ke silsilye main likhtye hain "An" jis riwayat main mojood ho us main se rawi ke darmiyan se girna (Chootna) hota hai,

Lehaza ye ho sakta hai ke Sufyan jis riwayat ko Zahri se riwayat ker rahye hian us main woh bhi barah-e-Rast Zahri ke bajaye "Mumar" se hi riwayat kartye hon lakin us ka nam is riwayat main na honye ki bina per yahan per "An" mojood hai

(Ye mera nazarya hai, zaroori nahin ke log is se muttafiq hon, lakin tehqeeq zaroor ho sakti hai)

 

Wallah Aalam Bissawab

 

 

Jahan tak Hazrat Ali ke Wali o Moula honye ka zikr hai to janab is ko baraye Meharbani ya to Naad-e-Alliya ki post per likhain to behtar tareeqye se tehqiqi behas ho gi ya phir chahain to new topic start ker lain to wahan per baat ker hogi

 

Abdul Salam

Edited 2 فروری 2009 by Abdulsalam

[Abdulsalam]

 

Ab wapis aatye hain apnye asal topic per

kuch or pages peshe khidmat hain

 

 

 

 

 

 

Abdul Salam