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Exothermic07

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A deobandi/ wahabi told me about this Ayat from Surah Touba and I am really confused. Can some one please explain it?

 

9:80 Ask forgiveness for them (O Muhammad), or ask not forgiveness for them; though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

 

This is from Surah Touba, ayat 80. Can someone please explain it in reference to Aqaid-e-Ahle Sunnat.

 

I heard Ovais Bhai say "Jis ki Huzur (ﺼﻟﻰﷲﻋﻟﻴﻪ ﻮﺴﻟﻣ) shafa'at karein gay to zahiri baat hai wo jannat main kaey ga" And there is also a verse from a naat:

"Un ko mukhtar banaya hai meray Moula nay

Khuld main bus wohi jasakta hai Jisko Hasnain (ra)(ra) kay Baba ki ijazat hogi"

 

(ja)

 

(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)

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(salam)

 

Wahabiyo ka yei tareeka hai kay Allah azzawjal nay jo aayatain buto , mushriko , kafiro kay leay nazil kee hai un ko musalmano pay chaspa'n kartay hai aur aadha Quran mantay hai adhay ka inkar kar daitay hain...

 

is link pay Page number 6 aur page 7 parh lain ghour say aur Qurani aayat ka reference us ko day kar us say pochain kay Quran ka inkar aik musalman tu nahe kar sakta tu tum kia howay

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...4927&st=100

 

fi-aman:

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مراسلہ: (ترمیم شدہ)
(salam)

 

Wahabiyo ka yei tareeka hai kay Allah azzawjal nay jo aayatain buto , mushriko , kafiro kay leay nazil kee hai un ko musalmano pay chaspa'n kartay hai aur aadha Quran mantay hai adhay ka inkar kar daitay hain...

 

is link pay Page number 6 aur page 7 parh lain ghour say aur Qurani aayat ka reference us ko day kar us say pochain kay Quran ka inkar aik musalman tu nahe kar sakta tu tum kia howay

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?sho...4927&st=100

 

fi-aman:

 

Saif bhai, mai apnay hasool e ilam kay leay samghna chahta hoon. Wahabi to Munafiq hain woh apni marzi say jo ayat chahein ignore kar saktey hain. Magar ham ko to har ayat samajhni chahiye aur aqeeda sahi rakhna chahiye.

 

ooper link mai jo Shafa'at say muta'allik ayat hain, aur jo Surah Toba ki ayat main nay likhi hai, un ki Ahadis , Tafasir aur Aqaid-e-Ahle Sunnat ki roshni main wazahat kar dain.

 

Main nay hamaisha yehi suna keh Huzur Akram (saw) Allah ta'ala kay aisay Mahboob hain keh wo jo chahtay hain Allah (azw) waisa he farma deta hai is baat pay bhe kuch dalail day dain.

 

Aik aur naatiya sher main nay suna tha. Meray khiyal say A'laHazrat ka sher hai Mujhay sahi lafz yaad nahi magar meray khiyal say kuch is tarha hai:

 

"Nabi (saw) Mukhtar-e-kull hai'n jis ko jo chahe ata kar dai'n

 

 

Is shair ka dosra hissa yad nahe Ab koi Islami bhan ya bhai plz yeh aayat mujhay smjha dey to bari meharbani hogi

 

(ja)

(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)

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Sure Toba ki ayat 80, ye Fasiqo/ Munafiqeen ke haq me utri na ki momino ke liye jiska pata to isky tarjumy se hi chal jata hai ki jo Allah or usky Rasool ke munkir hain...momin kab se Allah or usky Rasool ke munkir hony lagy balki wo Munafiqeen/ fasiq hain momin nahin jiska zikr Allah ne yu kiya ki Allah fasiqo ko rah nahin deta...baki raha sawaal huzur ki shafaat ka momino ke haq me to usky liye to aap upar diye gaye link ko visit kar lijye... Momin ke haq me duiya or akherat mein huzur (saw) ki shafat/ sifraish/ dua ke dalail ka to quran or hadees me ambaar laga hai....fi-aman:

 

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Sure Toba ki ayat 80, ye Fasiqo/ Munafiqeen ke haq me utri na ki momino ke liye jiska pata to isky tarjumy se hi chal jata hai ki jo Allah or usky Rasool ke munkir hain...momin kab se Allah or usky Rasool ke munkir hony lagy balki wo Munafiqeen/ fasiq hain momin nahin jiska zikr Allah ne yu kiya ki Allah fasiqo ko rah nahin deta...baki raha sawaal huzur ki shafaat ka momino ke haq me to usky liye to aap upar diye gaye link ko visit kar lijye... Momin ke haq me duiya or akherat mein huzur (saw) ki shafat/ sifraish/ dua ke dalail ka to quran or hadees me ambaar laga hai.... fi-aman:

 

Asif bhai, bohat shukriya ap kay jawab ka. Meri jo confusion thi woh thori si hal ho gai hay thori baqi hai (ia)(azw) woh bhi door ho jaey gi.

Ab mera sawal yeh hai keh agar koi kahey kay (yeh main nahi kehta kiyun keh shayad gustakhi ho... magar koi aur kahey keh) is ka to yeh matlab hai keh Rasul Allah (saw) sirf Mominon kay liye Mukhta-e-Kull hain. Kya aisa kehna sahi hoga? Agar nahi to iska kya jawab hai?

 

(ja)

(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)(saw)

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yahan baat ikhteyaar ki nahin izn ki hai..Shafaat usi ko naseeb hai jo momin raha, Kuffaro ke liye koi sifrashi nahin....dekhiye quran ki ayat...

Nabi ke ikhteytaar par jahil mukhalefeen aitraaz karty hain...haan hidayat unhi ko naseeb hoti hai jisy Allah chahy.

 

neechy di hui book ka mutala karein to bohot mufeed hoga...

 

 

ki huzur ko Allah ne kaisy ikhteyar diye...Mukhtaar e kul is aitbaar se ki deen me jo chahy hukm nafiz kar dein...jisy chahy usy hukm se riyayat de ein...or nabi ke ikhteyarat ka nafa bhi momino ko hi milta hai mukhalifeen isky liye pareshan na hon...

 

Huzur (saw) ko shafaat ka kaisa ikjtiyaar Allah ne diya usky liye ye do hadeesy hi kaafi hain.... (al)

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  • It is recorded by Imam Ahmed with the sanad of Sahih on the authority of Hazrath Abdullah bin Umar (radi Allahu anhu) and by Ibn Majah on the authority Hazrath Abu Moosa Ash?ari (radi Allahu anhu) that the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said, ?Almighty Allah gave me the choice of either intercession or taking half my Ummah into Jannat. I took intercession for it is that which will be of more use and more needed. Do you think that my Intercession is for those who are pure Muslims? No, but my intercession is for those sinners that are covered in sin and wrong.?
    (Ibn Majah Page 329)

Jannat me Huzur ka Saath ata kiya Rabia bin kab ko

 

  • Sahih muslim
    Rabi'a b. Ka'b said: I was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) one night. and I brought him water and what he required. He said to me: Ask (anything you like). I said: I ask your company in paradise. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Or anything else besides it. I said: That is all (what I require). He said: Then help me to achieve this for you by deyoting yourself often to prostration. (Book #004, Hadith #0990)

AAJ MADAD MANG UN SEY, AAJ LEY UN KI PANAH,

PHIR NA MANEIN GEY, QAYAMAT MEIN AGER MAAN GAYA

 

 

UNHEIN JANA UNHEIN MAANA NA RAKHA GHAIR SEY KAM

LILAH IL HAMD MAIN DUNIYA SEY MUSALMAN GAYA

 

AUR TUM PER MERAY AAQA

(saw) KI INAYAT NA SAHI

NAJDIYO KALMA PERHANEY KA BHI AEHSAN GAYA?

 

 

SORAJ ULTEY PAON PALTEY CHAND ISHAREY SEY HO CHAK

ANDHEY NAJDI DEKH LEY QUDRAT RASOOL ALLAH (saw) KI

 

 

ZIKR ROKEY, FAZAL KATEY, NAQS KA JOYA RAHAY

PHIR KAHAY MARDAD KEY HOON UMAT RASOOL ALLAH (saw) KI

AREY TUJH SEY AUR JANNAT SEY KIYA MATLAB WAHABI DOUR HOON

HUM RASOOL ALLAH KEY JANNAT RASOOL ALLAH (saw) KI

HASHR TAK DALEIN GEY HUM PAIDAISH-E-MOULA KI DHOOM

MISAL-E-FARAS NAJD KEY QAL-AE GIRATEY JAYEIN GEY

 

KHAAK HO JAYEIN AADO JAL KER MAGER HUM TU RAZA

DAM MEIN JUB TAK DAM HAI ZIKR UN KA SUNATEY JAYEIN GEY

KILK-E-RAZA WOH KHANJR-E-KHOON KHUWAR BARQ BAR

AADA SEY KEH DU KHAIR MANAYEIN NA SHAR KEREIN

 

WOH RAZA KEY NEIZAY KI MAR HAIN

KEY AADO KEY SENAY MEIN GHAR HAIN

KISAY CHARA JOYI KA WAR HAI

KEY YEH WAR AAR SEY PAR HAI

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(wasalam)

yahan baat ikhteyaar ki nahin izn ki hai..Shafaat usi ko naseeb hai jo momin raha, Kuffaro ke liye koi sifrashi nahin....dekhiye quran ki ayat...

WOH RAZA KEY NEIZAY KI MAR HAIN

KEY AADO KEY SENAY MEIN GHAR HAIN

KISAY CHARA JOYI KA WAR HAI

KEY YEH WAR AAR SEY PAR HAI

 

Main Huzoor Akram (saw) kay sab ikhtiyarat ko manta hoon. Main ahl-e-sunnat kay aqeeday say inkar nahi kar raha balkey sirf samajhnay ki koshish kar raha hoon. Mujhay bas yeh baat samajh nahi aa rahi keh Mukhatar-e-Kull to jo chahey wohi hota hai... phir is ayat ka matlab kya hai?

 

9:80 Ask forgiveness for them (O Muhammad), or ask not forgiveness for them; though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

 

Asif bhai jaan nay jo kitab ka link diya tha, us say Huzoor Akram (saw) kay bohat say ikhtiyaarat zahir hotay hain aur bari mufeed kitab hai mashAllah. Magar main is ayat ko bhi samajhna chahata hoon takeh mera zehan saaf ho jaey aur har qisam ka andesha door ho jaey.

 

Aur sawal yehi hai keh Mukhtar-e-Kull to jo chahata hai woh ho jata hai: yeh samney rakh kar us ayat ka matlab samajh nahi aa ta.

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