Kya Hazrat Essa zinda awr Jism sameet asman per uthae gai (Qurani Aayat se )

[Aamir Malik]

AOA

 

Ap sab se Darkhuwast hai keh in aayat per zara Taqwa k sath Ghaour kejiye ga koe wajja nhi keh Wafat e Maseeh sabit na ho

 

[Aashiq Koun]

 

wah mr aamir.

ye topic tumhain mehnga pery ga kyunk tumhara mirza bhi ye manta hay k HAZRAT EESA(as) aasman pe zinda uthaye gye.

 

[Aamir Malik]

Her Giz nhi awr mujy q mehnga pare ga mere bhai .. Ager Quran e Karim ko manna Mehnga parta hai to mujy Hazar Bar Ameen hai

 

awr rahi baat Mirza Sahib ki to unhoon ne he to Quran e Karim k muarif hum pe khole hain, unhoon ne he to Hazrat Essa ki wafat se mutaliq Ayat batlaee..

[Aashiq Koun]

 

mr aamir.tumhary mirza ne jo HAZRAT EESSA(as) k bary mien kaha hay zara ghour se perho apny mirza ki zubani aor mujy batow k kya ye HAZRAT EESA(as) ki touheen nein hay kya.

tumhara mirza kehta hay k HAZRTA EESA(as) maazALLLAH galian dety thay aor jhute bolty thy. ab jis ka HAZRAT EESA(as) k bary mein ye aqeeda ho aor baad mien khud eesa hony ka dawa kary os se barra jhuta koun ho sakta hay.

 

 

[Khalil Rana]

[Aamir Malik]

mere bhai Aashiq Sahib yahan jo Hawala Apne Quote kya hai es mein Yahood ki traf se Jo Hazrat Essa ki Toheen ki Jati hai uska zikr Mirza sahib farma rahai hain ... mein ne yeh book complete study ki hai apse request hai keh zara book mangwa kr mazmoon pora parh lien

[Aamir Malik]

@ KHALID RANA

 

 

Dear Brother mujy Apki traf se Quran ki Ayat se Quran ki Ayat k jawab ka entazar rahay ga

[Aashiq Koun]

 

mr aamir ab yahan bhi mien tumhain es k elawa aor kya keh sakta hn k zara ghour se perho.

wahan maati ki injeel ka zikar hay lakin nechy tumhary mirzy ka qoul bhi hay jis ko mein ne blue colour se highlight kya hay zara ghour se daekh.

 

tera mirza khud hi kehta hay k aap to sirf galian nikalty thy aor yahoodi hath se kasar puri kerty thy.

ye tery mirzy ka qoul hay.

perh aor jawab de

[asim10]

asa

aamir sahib main yeh chahta hoo kay app plz pehlay yeh bata dain app humain qadyaniyat sikhanay aa yai han ya deen islam ke haqeeqat ko samjhnay.takay hum usee lehaz say baat kaarain.

[Aashiq Koun]

mr aamir. tum to HAZRAT EESA(as) ko zinda asman pe uthaye jany k o nien manty lakin tumhary mirzay ka khalifa noorudeen kehta hay k HAZRAT EESA(AS) zinda asman pe uthaye gye thy.

ab ye to tumhara mirza jhuta hay ya tumhary mirzy ka khileefa.

nuqsaan dounoun mein tumhara hi hay

 

 

 

[asim10]

yaar ashiq bahi yeh mera dawa hay kay app jo hall kar rahay hain mr amir ka , mr amir abb ziyda din yahan nahin thehrain ghay.

magar main in ko dawat daita hoon . yeh jahan kahain ghay hum waheen anay ko tiyar hain .

[Aamir Malik]

@ ASHIQ SB

 

Dear Jahan tk Toheen k elazaam ka jawab hai woh mein bahut tafseel se day chuka hon ... Syaq o sbaq se Hatt kr awr Adhoori Tehreeron se ulte matlab lay kr he to Aj Islam awr Nabi e Karim ki Namoos per Maghrib humlay kr rahi hai

awr Ap bhi Aisa he kr rahay hain so Lagay rahein

 

Awr ap loog jo Hazoor ki Book "ALBUSHRA " k Hawalay dete hain woh Hazoor ki nhi blkeh Babo Manzoor Elahi hain koe unki book hai

 

@ ASIM

 

mein ne to pehlay he ap logoon ko warn kya tha keh yahan baat hogi to sirf awr sirf Quran e Karim ki awr Quran e Karim se Pehlay mujy Quran e Dlayl se Jawab to day loo

 

Etrazz krna konsa Mushkil kaam hai woh to Aj tak Her Paighambar pe hote aae hain

 

 

PS : Mera Deen Islam meri Kitaab Quran .. meri yeh post deikhien to yahan mein Ahmadiyyat ki baat nhi kr raha balkeh Quran e Karim ki Ayaat se dlayl day raha hon awr ap bajae Quran e Karim se jawab dene k Idhar udhar k Paintre badal rahay hain

Edited 5 اپریل 2008 by Aamir Malik

[Khalil Rana]

[Aashiq Koun]

 

@ ASHIQ SB

Dear Jahan tk Toheen k elazaam ka jawab hai woh mein bahut tafseel se day chuka hon ...

aamir sahib. aap ne koun sa tafseeli jawab dya hay zara wazahat karin kyun k aap ka abhi tak es topic pe koi jawab nein aya. aap ne sirf aik baat kahi thi k

 

mere bhai Aashiq Sahib yahan jo Hawala Apne Quote kya hai es mein Yahood ki traf se Jo Hazrat Essa ki Toheen ki Jati hai uska zikr Mirza sahib farma rahai hain

 

aor es ka jawab mien ne de dya tha koper ki baat waqai yahood ki hay lakin nechy khud mirza ka qoul hay .aap ne es baat ka koi jawab nein dya.

 

Awr ap loog jo Hazoor ki Book "ALBUSHRA " k Hawalay dete hain woh Hazoor ki nhi blkeh Babo Manzoor Elahi hain koe unki book hai

 

 

janab tumhari nazar pata nien kahan hay mien ne oper ANJAAM-E-AATHIM ka hawal dya tha jo mirzy ki book hay aor neechy FASALUL KHITAAB ka jo tumhary mirzy k khalifa ki book hay.

 

Mera Deen Islam meri Kitaab Quran .. meri yeh post deikhien to yahan mein Ahmadiyyat ki baat nhi kr raha balkeh Quran e Karim ki Ayaat se dlayl day raha hon awr ap bajae Quran e Karim se jawab dene k Idhar udhar k Paintre badal rahay hain

janab tum pehly ye sabit karo k tumhara deen islam aor tumhari kitaab quran hay .aor ye tum sabit nien ker sakty.

dosri baat k tum ne topic HAZRAT EESA(as) ka start kya hay aor mien ne tumhain mirzy qadyani ki book k hawale dye hain.

tumhari baatun se ye hi sabit hota hay k tum mirzy ki batun ko nien manty. tum saaf keh do k mirzy ne jhute bola lakin tum jawab hi nein de rahy.

mery sawaloun k jawab ab bhi tum pe udhaar hain.

[Aamir Malik]

 

 

aamir sahib. aap ne koun sa tafseeli jawab dya hay zara wazahat karin kyun k aap ka abhi tak es topic pe koi jawab nein aya. aap ne sirf aik baat kahi thi k

 

Janab Toheen k Elzaam k jawab mein mein ne 2 parts mein jawab post kr dea hai ap dekh bhi lein awr ho ske to apne comments bhi

 

aor es ka jawab mien ne de dya tha koper ki baat waqai yahood ki hay lakin nechy khud mirza ka qoul hay .aap ne es baat ka koi jawab nein dya.

 

 

Manta hon k Mirza Sahib ki books se scaned kiye howe pages hein lekin syaaq o sabbaq ko chor kr assal mazmoon ko chorr kr sirf tukre quote howe hain .. awr ajkal Maghrib k loog bhi yahi kaam kr rahay hain Quran k sath

 

janab tumhari nazar pata nien kahan hay mien ne oper ANJAAM-E-AATHIM ka hawal dya tha jo mirzy ki book hay aor neechy FASALUL KHITAAB ka jo tumhary mirzy k khalifa ki book hay.

 

 

janab tum pehly ye sabit karo k tumhara deen islam aor tumhari kitaab quran hay .aor ye tum sabit nien ker sakty.

dosri baat k tum ne topic HAZRAT EESA(as) ka start kya hay aor mien ne tumhain mirzy qadyani ki book k hawale dye hain.

tumhari baatun se ye hi sabit hota hay k tum mirzy ki batun ko nien manty. tum saaf keh do k mirzy ne jhute bola lakin tum jawab hi nein de rahy.

mery sawaloun k jawab ab bhi tum pe udhaar hain.

 

 

Jahan tk yeh baat hai k mere deen awr meri Kittab sabit krne ki baat hai to meri sab se pehli post he " Ahmadiyyon ka Kalma" k naam se thi awr zara chashma laga kr dekhain k hum konsa kalma parhte hain yeh jo ap loog hum pe elzaam lagate hain keh hum Ahmad rasool ullah kehte hain yeh sarar sr jhoot awr Mullaiat k jhooote pan ka nateeja hai

 

awr jahan tak Kitaab ki baat hai meinne jis din se yeh forum join kya hai mein ne apna surr peet lya hai k baat karo to sirf awr sirf Quran o Hadees se yeh es baat ka saboot hai keh meri kitaab koe awr nhi magar sirf Quran e Karim..

 

ap loog bajae Quran O Hadees se baat krne k Mirza Sahib per etraaz kari ja rahay hain .. woh jitna dil khool k kr skte kr lo

 

apni Mullaaiat se nikal kr dekho gay to apko andaza hoga keh her Nabi per bilkul aik he Kisam k etraaz howe hain..

 

awr es baat se inkaar hay to batao k Nabi e Karim k woh Laanti loog q cartoons banate hain.. Kyoon Quran e Karim ko nauzobillah " FITNA" keh kr film banai jati hai

 

ap donoon mein aik he common baat hai woh bhi bajae Tehqiq krne k sirf Etrazaat se kaam chalate hian awr ap loog bhi yahi kucch krte hain

 

Mein yahan Khalil Rana sahib kr shukria adda krna chahonga keh Unhoon ne bari Mehnat se Tafseeli jawab post kya hai jiska woh pehlay wada kr chuke they

 

Khalil sahib mein apki posts per working kr raha hon Inshallah Bahut Jald jawab post karoonga

[Aamir Malik]

 

 

 

 

 

[Aamir Malik]

[Aamir Malik]

[سگِ عطار]

Aamir Malik.. Aap Aik Mozo Per Aik Topic Use Kerein.. Is Terha Beesiyon Topic Post Kerney Sey Aapka Mo'aqif Sabit Nhin Ho Sakta.. Aur Jawab Deney Walon Key Liye Mazeed Masail...

 

Aap Key Part 1 Ka Jawab Alag Sey Diya Jaye Ga Aur Part 2 Ka Alag Sey? Aur Khalil Rana Sahib Key Naam Sey Topic Mein Alag Sey Jawab?

 

Aap Ki Hazrat Esa Sey Muta'aliq Sari Posts Isi Topic Mein Move Ker Di Gayi Hain.. Aur Is Topic Sey Related Post Isi Topic Mein Kerein..

[Aamir Malik]

OK SAG E ATTAR

[Khalil Rana]

[asim10]

tumharee pehlee post main yehee sub kuch tha abb is ko duranay ke kiya zaroorat hay.

aour tum ko in sub batoon ka mukamal jawab mil chuka hay ,wohee batain dubara dhuranay ka matlab hay kay abb tum sirf "khisyani billi khamba nochay "ka midak hoo.

aa oo main tumhain muslmann honay ke dawat daita hoo. phir aghay baat karain ghay. inshallah.

[Ubaid-e-Raza]

zabar10st khalil bhai. nice reply.

[Ya Allah Madad]

OK SAG E ATTAR

 

Malik Sahab ye hamare aik dost ka challanging article hay aap logon ke liye ..aaj tak koi qadyani iska jawab nahi day saka:

 

 

In the Name of Allah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful, The One and Only.

His Love and Peace be upon Syedna Muhammad, after whom there is no Prophet, and upon his family and Companions. Insha Allah, Masha Allah 

CAN AHMADIS/QADIANIS ANSWER?

by Illias Suttar 

 

Cash Reward: 10,000,000/ - (approx. US$ 250,000.00) 

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s claims of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah 

have now been proven conclusively false. 

 

If anyone can prove the points of this article to be wrong in the Supreme Court of any reputed country like UK, USA, German, Japan, Pakistan, India, Israel, etc., he will receive cash reward of Pak Rs.10,000,000/- (Ten Million).

 

You can prove my arguments wrong in the supreme court of any country like USA, UK, Israel, India, Pakistan, Germany, France, Italy, etc. 

 

You can prove my arguments wrong even in my absence!!! 

 

A Qadiani / Ahmadi judge is also acceptable even in my absence!!! 

 

The first Qadiani / Ahmadi to make the case against me will get cash reward Rs.25,000/- (Twenty Five Thousand) before the start of the arguments. 

 

In Pakistani newspapers, I have advertised that if any Qadiani / Ahmadi will come to me for discussions, I will pay Rs. 500/- cash to him. 

 

If any non-Ahmadi / Qadiani brings an Ahmadi / Qadiani, then he will get Rs.500/- cash for bringing the Ahmadi / Qadiani. 

 

Introductory Notes 

 

Alhamdolillah, they have been intellectually defeated. A Prominent Ahmadi, Mr. Ahmad Baksh Channa, a Qadiani Murabbi for years, has embraced Islam along with other several others who witnessed the written debate. 

 

In the following article, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani’s claim of being the Mahdi and the Promised Messiah have been conclusively proven to be wrong, by bringing to light contradiction in his own argument from his books. The particular argument of Mirza Sahib which was claimed to be dazzling like the sun, and according to his followers made his opponents ran way from him like lambs run away from lion, has been proven wrong beyond doubt. Since the fallacy of these claims have been exposed, Mirza Sahib’s claim of being a Nabi or a Prophet also automatically becomes bogus. A True Nabi cannot make false claim. 

 

This article was originally made public, before 1982. More than 16 years have passed but no one has been able to deny the points of this article or prove the contrary. The points of this article have been twice put to the present IVth "Khalifa", Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani, but he has maintained complete silence. I even went inside the Ahmadiyya Hall, an Ahmadi Center in Magazine Line, Karachi, where I distributed this article in the hall and spoke to those who were coming inside to pray. I attended the funeral of one learned Qadiani. In the graveyard, as well as in the funeral bus while coming back, I explained the article to them. On 4-7-1983, Mr. Rahim Younus Qadiani wrote from Dhaka, Bangladesh, that one learned Ahmadi is going to answer to me. Almost 15 years have passed away, but till now there is no answer. Naseem Ahmad, gave a reply to "Can Ahmadis Answer?" and entitled it, "An Ahmadi Answers". The grandson of the "Khalifa" Mirza Tahir, Mubasshir Ahmad composed it on the computer. However, later on, after nearly 5 hours of discussions, the grandson said that now only he has understood the question. He promised to return with proper reply. He went away never to return again. 

 

I have had written discussions with many other Qadianis as well. Those who are interested can get copies of such correspondence from me. It is interesting to see how they have expressed views opposite to what Mirza Sahib has written. Many Qadianis have even admitted that Mirza Sahib has made a mistake, but they take the plea that Mirza Sahib was a human being and so he could make a mistake. However, time will make them realize, Insha Allah, that it wasn’t a small mistake. This grave mistake was committed while trying to prove his claims to the office of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah. If the arguments put forward to prove his claim have been proven wrong, naturally the claim was also wrong. If one claim is wrong the whole Ahmadiyyat becomes a heap of debris. 

 

I had offered Rs. One Crore (10,000,000) to any Ahmadi who will defeat me in any Supreme Court. One Ahmadi, Naseem Ahmad of Karachi, accused me that One Crore will not be paid, if I loose the case. He said that, to start the case, Rs.15,000/- cash will be needed. I even offered Rs.15,000/- in advance, which he refused to accept. Did he knew in his heart that he will be a loser? 

 

The facts mentioned in this article, which have embarrassed Qadianis during the discussions, are taken from the following four books of Mirza Sahib:

 

Masih Hindustan Mein 

 

Chasma-e-Masihi 

 

Anjam-e-Atham 

 

Kashti-e-Nuh 

 

An interesting development is that the present "Khalifa" of Qadianis has warned his followers about me. He spoke for more than two hours on their so-called Muslim Television Ahmadiyya and cautioned the Qadianis that a "Fitna" (temptation) is going to come. To save the faith from that "Fitna" (temptation), he reminded his followers of miracles which were to be remembered when facing the "Fitna" (temptation). Mentioning Zia ul Haq’s plane accident, he claimed that this accident happened to Zia ul Haq because of what he had done to the Qadianis. 

 

Obviously, it is an intellectual defeat for the "Khalifa" and the whole Ahmadiyya Community. Instead of coming up with logical arguments to counteract my proofs, the "Khalifa" has taken refuge in so-called miracles. Miracles or perhaps some Accident? Allah knows best. I am producing this article here with a challenge to all Qadianis / Ahmadis. Try to prove my arguments wrong in a Court of Law and get Pak. Rs.10,000,000/-.

Extract from Daily Newspaper ‘Inqilab’ Karachi, Pakistan of 27th December 1997 in which the reporter gave an interview of an important Ahmadi / Qadiani: 

 

"Illias Suttar is in such a way after us as if he has nothing else to do. For a long time we gave him no lift thinking that it does not matter if someone keeps on barking. But now it seems as if he will not only bark but will bite us. And we will have to take 14 injections to save our lives. We Qadianis and Ahmadis are so scared of Illias Suttar as if he is a ghost…… Illias Suttar is not wanting any property from us, he is just wanting an answer to his article: 'Can Ahmadis / Qadianis Answer?'"

On 12/12/1997, Chowdhry Mobasshir Ahmadi who is the grandson of the "Khalifa" of Ahmadis / Qadianis said in the presence of 5 or 6 persons in the shop of Mr. Aslam in Qartaba Market, Bahadurabad, Karachi: "Announce on my behalf: I will give a fantastic reply – but there is no time limit". 

 

 

On 2/3/1998, I (Illias Suttar) accompanied by Sarwar Rao, Chief Editor, Monthly Newsnet (International), Karachi, went to Al Noor Hall in Gulberg, Karachi, which is the prayer place (mosque) of Ahmadis / Qadianis). I met the Imam Sahib whose name is Mr. Dawood. I asked him to start a case in any supreme court to prove wrong the points of my article. He replied that "We do not recognise the judges of the earth. We have left the decision (on Illias Suttar’s article) in the Hands of the Judge in the sky"! 

 

 

In the Name of Allah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful, The One and Only. 

His Love and Peace be upon Syedna Muhammad, after whom there is no Prophet, and upon his family and Companions.

Insha Allah, Masha Allah 

 

CAN AHMADIS/QADIANIS ANSWER? 

 

by Illias Suttar 

 

Cash Reward: 10,000,000/ - (approx. US$ 250000.00) 

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s claims of Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah 

have now been proven conclusively false. 

 

Cash Reward Rs: 10,000,000/- (approx. US$ 250,000.00) 

 

Main Article 

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad rejected the fundamental Muslim doctrine of the second coming of Hazrat Isa ibne Maryam. Instead, he claimed that Hazrat Isa had died his natural death and even claimed to have located his grave in Khanyar Street, Srinagar, Kashmir. Mirza Sahib wrote a book "Jesus in India" where he gave a detailed account of what he claimed to have actually happened at the cross. According to him Jesus was put to the cross by the Jews on Friday; Jesus fainted and Jews thought that he had died. He was buried; but three days later, he regained consciousness and came out of the grave. He was 33 years old at that time. He met his disciples and secretly migrated to India, where he died at the age of 120 years. Let us have a look at the following extracts from this book: 

"Hence, I shall prove in this book that Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not die on the cross neither did he go up to the heavens nor it should ever be hoped that he will return to the earth from the heavens; rather, he died at the age of 120 years in Srinagar in Kashmir, and his grave is in the Khanyar Region of Srinagar."

(Maseeh Hindustan Mein, (Jesus in India) Roohani Khazain, vol.15, p.14) 

 

"Authentic narrations of hadith prove that our holy Prophet (pbuh) said in the person of Jesus two such qualities were combined which were not present in any other prophet. Firstly, he lived his full life, i.e. he was alive for 125 years. Secondly, he toured most of the parts of the world…now it is obvious if he had ascended to heavens at the age of only 33 years, then the tradition of 125 years would not have been correct, neither he could have toured at such a young age of 33. These traditions are not only mentioned in the authentic and ancient books of hadith, but they are so popular among all the sects of Muslims that none can be imagined more famous."

(Maseeh Hindustan Mein {Jesus in India}, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, pp. 55-56) 

 

Christian Era (AD) begins with the birth of Hazrat Isa ibne Maryam (Jesus) in 1 AD. Hazrat Isa, according to Mirza Sahib, died at the age of 120 years, meaning 120 AD. Now, let us examine the following extract from "Anjam-e-Atham", written by Mirza Sahib: 

"The Holy Quran clearly says that the Masih was lifted to the heavens after his death. Therefore his descent is symbolic and not real. And in the verse ‘Falamma Tawaffeteni’ it has been clearly manifested that death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) has already taken place. Because the meaning of the verse is that the Christians will go astray after the death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) and not during his lifetime. So if we assume that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) is not yet dead, then we will have to agree that the Christians are not yet digressed, and this is absolutely false. Rather the verse is saying that the Christians remained faithful only until the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh). From this it becomes known that corruption had already begun during the time of Disciples. If the period of the Disciples had been such that the Christians had still been on right path, then in this verse Allah would not have linked it with the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) only, but would have included the life time of the disciples as well. Thus at this juncture a very good point of the period of corruption in Christianity is illustrated and which is that IN TRUTH, during the time of the Disciples themselves, the seeds of SHIRK (associating partner with God) were sown in Christianity.

(Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain, vol. 11, p.321) 

 

The important points from the above extracts are:

Mirza Sahib claims to give proof from hadith that Hazrat Isa died at the age of 125. 

He asserts that Christians were on right path only during the life time of Hazrat Isa. 

He states that Hazrat Isa was not made God or son of God during his life time. 

Seeds of SHIRK (Trinity) were sown after the death of Hazrat Isa. During the life time of Hazrat Isa, there was no possibility of such a digression. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is quoting the verse "Falamma Tawaffeteni" (5:117) from Quran, implying that Allah is guaranteeing protection from such corruption (Shirk i.e. Trinity) during the life of Hazrat Isa only. 

Since Mirza Sahib has stated in his book "Jesus in India" that Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD, the seeds of association of Partners with Allah (i.e. Trinity) could not have been planted before 120 AD. This means that Hazrat Isa was made God and son of God only after the year 120 A.D. Before 120 A.D., not even one single individual could have held the belief that Hazrat Isa is God or son of God. 

Thus, the year of 120 A.D. became a turning point. 

 

 

(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain, vol. 20, p.375) 

 

"And in the very first instance, he (Paul) implanted the bad seedling of Trinity in Damascus. And this Pauline Trinity started from Damascus. It is towards this that hadith Shareef has hinted that the future Maseeh will descend on the eastern side of Damascus."

(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain, vol. 20, p.377) 

 

In this book, Chasma-e-Maseehi, Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that St. Paul was responsible for the doctrine of Holy Trinity and thus turning Hazrat Isa into God. It is a well known fact that St. Paul died in 64 AD or 67 AD. The book ‘The 100’ gives the year of his death as 64 AD. Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics says: 

"That he suffered martyrdom at Rome there can be no doubt…the date will lie between A.D. 64 and 67, most probably nearer the former than the later limit."

(Encyclopaedia, vol. 9, p.694) 

 

Final Arguments

In the book "Jesus in India", according to Mirza Sahib, Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD. 

In the book "Anjam-e-Atham", Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that the seeds of Trinity were not sown until 120 A.D. 

In the book "Anjam-e-Atham", Mirza Sahib has clearly said that St. Paul made Hazrat Isa God. 

Paul died in 64 or 65 A.D. where as Hazrat Isa died in 120 A.D. Therefore Paul died at least 55 years before Hazrat Isa. (Jesus) 

Since Paul must have given the doctrine of Trinity during his life time, this means the Hazrat Isa was made God at least 55 years before his own death. In other words, by 65 A.D. Hazrat Isa was made God/Son of God while he died 55 years later in 120 A.D. 

While he (Jesus) was alive in Kashmir, he was being worshipped as God in Palestine. 

Thus Mirza Sahib’s commentary on the Holy Quran’s verse 5:117 (Falamma Tawaffetenni) in his book "Anjam-e-Atham", that Christians made Hazrat Isa God after the death of Hazrat Isa in 120 A.D., becomes absolutely wrong. 

 

Is this a small mistake for a man claiming to have been divinely ordained to be Messiah, Mahdi and a Prophet? Such a grievous error? So obviously and utterly wrong! So conclusively wrong! 

 

On Page 135 of his book "Anjam Atham", Mirza Ghulam Ahmed says: 

"If Jesus is alive in the heavens, then the Christians must be on the right path (on earth)". 

 

Will the Qadianis / Ahmadis reflect? 

  (Please see point no. 6 above.) 

 

If Mirza Sahib were alive and this question had been put to him, could he have said: "I am a human being and I can make mistakes"? Mirza Sahib had claimed help of Allah in these arguments. Can Allah be wrong? No! Only the claim of Mirza Sahib is wrong. If he can be wrong in one thing, what proof is there that he is not wrong in other things? The reason for Mirza Saheb's entire exercise of trying to prove that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) had died was to establish his own claim of being the Promised Messiah and Mahdi. His argument was that, since Hazrat Isa has died, he will not return, as that would be against the principles of Allah. Thus, someone else will have to take up the role of Hazrat Isa and that someone is none other than Mirza Sahib himself! However, the above arguments have proven conclusively that Mirza Ghulam could not substantiate his claim of being Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah. Therefore, he is neither Imam Mahdi nor the Promised messiah. As a corollary, he is not a Prophet, because a true Prophet will not make a false claim. Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D. 

 

Another Interesting Point 

 

He secretely migrated to India, lived there for 87 more years, and died at the age of 120 in Srinagar, Kashmir. He kept no contact with the people of Palestine for these 87 years. People in Palestine did not know that Hazrat Isa was alive in Kashmir and Hazrat Isa did not know that the people in Palestine had begun to worship him as God and son of God. Therefore, (according to Qadiani claims) in the original land (Palestine) where he was sent as Messenger and where he was made God and son of God, he kept careful watch only till the age of 33 and for the remaining 87 years of his life he kept no watch over them at all! What a glaring mistake (in tafseer)! 

 

Remember: All this is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani’s assertions and we have only his words for them. Will the Qadianis, his followers, kindly clarify the above points or rectify their belief? 

 

May Allah help them to understand what is right and what is wrong and give them the courage to follow the right path. Ameen. 

 

All praise to Allah. His Love and Peace be upon His Noble Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad and upon His family and Companions. 

 

 

Sir Syed vs Mirza Saheb 

 

The Qadiyanis are very proud of saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was the first man after so many years who said that Jesus (Hazrat Isa) (pbuh) did not go to the heavens ,but died on earth in Kashmir. Mr. Nasim Ahmad, who wrote "An Ahmadi Answers", said that Mirza Sahib first came to know from Allah about Hazrat Isa’s natural death on earth in the year 1891. 

 

Mr. Nasim Ahmad should know that Sir Syed had made a similar claim 9 years before, in the year 1882, in his Tafsir of Quran Majid. 

 

Sir Syed wrote his Tafsir of Quran Majid in 6 volumes as follows (see page 335 of the book "Sir Syed Ahmad Khan" by Fazal Karim): 

 

Part 1 in year 1880 

 

Part 2 in year 1882 

 

Part 3 in year 1885 

 

Part 4 in year 1886 

 

Part 5 in year 1892 

 

Part 6 in year 1895 

 

In part no.2, year 1882, in Sura Maida, verse no. 117, Sir Syed layed claim to the death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh). 

 

9 years later in 1891, Mirza Saheb copied Sir Syed. Is it in good taste that Qadiayanis are boasting today about Mirza Sahib's plagiarism? 

 

In the name of Allah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful, The One and Only.

His Love and Peace be upon Syedna Muhammad, after whom there is no Prophet, and upon his family and Companions.

Insha Allah, Masha Allah 

 

CAN AHMADIS/QADIANIS ANSWER? 

 

by Illias Suttar 

 

More Contradictions 

 

I wish Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib were Alive! 

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian claimed to be Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah, Two in One. It is an accepted Muslim doctrine that Hazrat Isa (Jesus) (pbuh) will descend from heavens and will help Imam Mahdi in the propagation of Islam and fill the world with justice. When people asked Mirza Ghulam about Jesus, the son of Mary, Mirza Sahib replied that Jesus will not descend from heavens because he never went to heavens; rather he went to Kashmir, where he died at the age of 120! In support of his claim, Mirza Sahib wrote a book called ‘Messiah in India (Maseeh in Hindustan)’. 

 

Quran says celibacy not prescribed in Christianity, but Mirza Sahib says the opposite. 

 

Mirza Sahib says: 

"And just as Injeel has preached celibacy, similarly in Buddha’s teachings it is desired; and just as an earthquake came on putting the Jesus to the cross, similarly it is written that an earthquake came on the death of Buddha. Thus the main reason for all such similarities is that out of good fortune for the Buddhists, Maseeh came to Hindustan and stayed for a long time amongst Buddhists and they received detailed knowledge on his life and his preachings. Consequently it was inevitable that a great part of that teaching and ceremonials should have found its way into Buddhists records for Jesus was respected and taken for the Buddha by the Buddhists These people therefore recorded his sayings in their books and ascribed them to the Buddha."

(Maseeh Hindustan Mein, Roohani Khazain, vol.15, P.78) 

 

On the other hand, the Holy Quran says (57:27) that monasticism was invented by Christians. Monasticism includes all ways of detaching oneself from mankind, specially state of celibacy: 

"Then We caused Our messengers to follow in their footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow, and gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. But monasticism they invented - We ordained it not for them - only seeking Allah’s pleasure, and they observed it not with right observance. So, We give those of them who believed their reward, but many of them are evil-livers." (al-Quran 57:27) 

 

But contrary to this verse, Mirza Sahib says that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) preached the doctrine of Chastity and Celibacy. Who is to be believed? The Holy Quran or the word of Mirza Ghulam? 

 

Hazrat Isa pbuh - Prophet for Bani Israel or Prophet for Buddhists? 

 

Bagwa Matteyya, whose other name was Maseeh came to this land, because the failure of a prophecy makes that religion bogus."

(Maseeh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol 15, p.84) 

 

"Every Buddhist must necessarily profess the belief that five hundred years after the Buddha, the Bagwa (white) Metteyya did appear in their land."

(Maseeh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p.92) 

 

"There can be no doubt that he came in the colours of Buddha and the Book of Oldenburg with reference to Buddha’s Book, Lkavati Sutta, it is written that the followers of Buddha used to console themselves with the hope of future that they will achieve the fruits of salvation by becoming the follower of Metteyya. i.e. they had confidence that Metteyya will appear among them and they will attain salvation through him, because the words in which Buddha had given them the hope of Metteyya they were clearly proving that his followers will meet Metteyya. Now with this statement of this book, confidence is generated in the heart that God had created means of their guidance from both sides…and no one can doubt that those moral teachings and spiritual ways which were established by Buddha, the teachings of Hazrat Maseeh have regenerated them in this world."

(Maseeh in India, Roohani Khazain vol. 15 pp. 81-82) 

 

How could Hazrat Isa (pbuh) go to preach among non-Bani Israel on the basis of divine revelation of Buddha? Is this not against our and your faith which states that Hazrat Isa (PBUH) was sent to Bani Israel only? To further clarify that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) went to all Buddhists whether they were Israelites or not, Mirza Sahib quotes Buddha as saying that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) will come from outside to the land of Prophecy, Magadh, in which the people were dark. And Buddha himself was dark. And since all the Buddhists are included in this prophecy, common sense says that non-Israelites are also included, since all Buddhists were not Israelites. 

 

Another Hypocrisy of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 

 

 

(Maseeh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p.81) 

 

Gospel of Barnabas and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s Ignorance 

 

Mirza Sahib says: 

"After all that has been stated, it should be kept in mind that the Gospel of Barnabas, which must be available in the British Museum, it is stated that Jesus was not crucified nor did he die on the Cross. Now we can very well say though this book is not included in the Gospels and has been rejected summarily, yet there is no doubt that it is an ancient book and it belongs to the period in which the other Gospels were written. Is it not open to us to regard this ancient book as a book of history of ancient times and make use of it as a book of history?"

(Masseh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p.21) 

 

Perhaps Mirza Sahib did not read the Gospel of Barnabas himself, for in the Bible of Barnabas, it is clearly mentioned that Hazrat Muhammad (SAAW) will be the last Prophet, and only false Prophets will come after him. Please see the following extract from the Bible of Barnabas: 

"Isa (pbuh) said in that Messenger’s coming who will wipe out all false ideas about me. His religion will spread all over the earth. Sardar Kahin asked: After the coming of the Messenger of God will more Prophets come? Isa(pbuh) said: After him not true Prophet will come. But many false Prophets will come."

(Gospel of Barnabas, Urdu Edition, p. 143) 

 

"Then the disciples asked: O Master, who is that man who you mention will come to earth? With great happiness Isa (pbuh) replied: He is Muhammad (SAAW), Messenger of Allah. When he will come, just as rain brings out fruits from earth when there has been no rain for a long time, in the same way with the unlimited Mercy and Blessings with which he will come, he will be the cause of many good and virtuous deeds."

(Gospel of Barnabas, p.228, Urdu Version) 

 

Mirza Sahib admits that the gospel of Barnabas is an ancient historical document, written at the same time as other Gospels. He presents one of its statements to support his claim. But what he didn’t know was that it not only mentions the coming of Hazrat Muhammad (SAAW), but also the finality of his Prophethood or did he? If he had, what right did Mirza Ghulam have to claim that he is a Prophet? Why did he take one statement as a proof and ignored the other one. Perhaps he had never read the Gospel! 

 

Is Adam (pbuh) still alive? Did Mirza Sahib die at the age of 30? 

 

"There is another important statement by the Holy Prophet. During his last illness, the Holy Prophet said to his daughter Fatima: ‘Once a year Gabriel used to recite the Quran to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeeding Prophet has lived up to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120 years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about 60 years." 

 

 

(Invitation to Ahmadiyyat (Da’awat-ul-Ameer), p.17) 

 

Based on this formula, some of the future prophets (if at all there are some, and there should be at least three of them if you accept the Qadiani interpretation of the verse of Khatme-Nabuwwat) will have following ages:

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani ??? 30 years old 

 

Next assumed prophet 15 years old 

 

Next assumed prophet 7 and half years old…and so on. 

 

So according to the extract on page 17 taken from "Invitation to Ahamadiyyat", Hazrat Adam (pbuh) should have lived up to 122880 years. Which means that he is still alive. In fact, even Hazrat Sheesh, Noah, Abrahim and Ismail (pbut) should all be alive now. Furthermore, if Mirza Sahib is a prophet, he should have died at the age of 30 only, that is half the age of the previous Prophet. Did Mirza Sahib become Prophet after his death? Still more interesting, if Prophets will continue to come, then just a few Prophets down the line we would be having one who is a newborn!! This statement of the Holy Prophet (SAAW), if at all authentic, clearly means that there will no Prophet after Hazrat Muhammad , because the next Prophet will have to die at the age of 30 and the next at 15 which means he will not even be an adult.

[Khalil Ahmadi]

 

 

 

aamir sahib. aap ne koun sa tafseeli jawab dya hay zara wazahat karin kyun k aap ka abhi tak es topic pe koi jawab nein aya. aap ne sirf aik baat kahi thi k

 

 

 

aor es ka jawab mien ne de dya tha koper ki baat waqai yahood ki hay lakin nechy khud mirza ka qoul hay .aap ne es baat ka koi jawab nein dya.

 

 

 

 

janab tumhari nazar pata nien kahan hay mien ne oper ANJAAM-E-AATHIM ka hawal dya tha jo mirzy ki book hay aor neechy FASALUL KHITAAB ka jo tumhary mirzy k khalifa ki book hay.

 

 

 

janab tum pehly ye sabit karo k tumhara deen islam aor tumhari kitaab quran hay .aor ye tum sabit nien ker sakty.

dosri baat k tum ne topic HAZRAT EESA(as) ka 

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