Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 13 مارچ 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 13 مارچ 2008 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubaid-e-Raza مراسلہ: 15 مارچ 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 15 مارچ 2008 اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashiq Koun مراسلہ: 17 مارچ 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 17 مارچ 2008 ubaid e raza bahi MASHAALLAH aap ne acha jawab dya lakin mera khayal hay k ye ayse nien many ga jab tak es ko es k apny jalli padri miraz aqadyani lannati ki boks k page na send kye jayen. oye aamir tu ne ye qadyani ki website se cut ker k beja hay lakin mein tuj se ye pouchta hn k pehly to ye sabit kar k tera mirza qadyani lannati hay kya cheez. kya wo amrd hay ya aourat,pehly ye sabit kr k wo nabi hay ya khuda hay ya masseh hay ya meryam? mein tujy tery mirzy lannati ki book k page send ker raha hn aor os ki batun ko mein ne hilight kya hay. ab tu jawab de k tera mirza hay koun? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 Sacha Khuda wohi Khuda jis ne apna Rasool Qadyan mein bheja Ghairat ki ja hai Essa zinda ho asmaan pe Madfon ho zameen mein Shah e Dojahan humara mere bhai Khuda ne apna Nabi ager Qadyan mein bheja hai to Khuda se pocho na Mirza Sahib to Elan kar rahai hain Dawa kar rahae hain keh mein Khuda ki traf se hon Khuda ne mujy rasool bana kr bheja hai to Khuda se jhagra karo na keh us ne q bheja rahi baat Hazrat Essa ki tohain ki to mujy sirf aik hawala dikha do Mirza sahib ne kahin bhi toheein nhi ki Ap loog Mirza Sahib ki kutab mein wohi tehreef krte ho jo aaj tak Yahood o Nassara awr Shia Hazrat krte aae hain Mirza Sahib ne Yahood ka Farzi Yasooh likha sath mein woh q nhi likhte Lannat ullah e Allal Kazibeen اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubaid-e-Raza مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 tum kehte ho k hum ne mirza ki kutub main tahreef ki hay tu isko sabit karo. khali keh dene se kya aisa ho jata hay? phir hum tumhari bat kese mane jo tum hawale pesh kar rahe ho..? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Mohammadah مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 Ghairat ki ja hai Essa (as) zinda ho asmaan pe Madfon ho zameen mein Shah e Dojahan (saw) humara newbie aamir malik ye jo aapka kazzab Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani 1835-1908 is zameen par ghumta raha tab ye sher aapko yaad na aaya....tab kyun na gad diya isy zameen ke andar. or ya raha apaka kalima....Lahowla wala Quwwata اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdur Rehman مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 31 مارچ 2008 (ترمیم شدہ) Ghairat ki ja hai Essa zinda ho asmaan peMadfon ho zameen mein Shah e Dojahan humara is shayari ka jawab shayari say he sun lu Aaizaaz yei hasil hai tu hasil hai Zameen ko Aflaak pay tu Gunbade Khadra nahee koiiii --- Baja tha Arsh pay Khake Mazare Pak ko naaz kay Tujh sa Arsh Nasheen aafariida Hona tha --- Tumharay Zarray kay partu sitar haiay Falak Tumharay Naal ki naaqes misal zia-aiy Falak --- Ham Khak hain aur Khak he Mawa hai Hamara Khaki tu wo Aadam Jade Aala hai Hamaara Allah hamain Khak karay apni talab main Yei khak tu sarkar say Tamgha hai hamara Jis khak pay rakhtay thay qadam Syede Aalam us khak pay qurban dil e shaaida hai hamara kham ho gaee pusht e falak is taa'an e zameen say sun ham pay Madina hai wo rutba hai hamara Us nay laqab e khak Shahanshah say paya jo Haider e karrar kay mola hai hamara aaiy Muddaiyo khak ko tum khak na samghay is khak mai madfoon Shah e Batha hai hamara hai khak say tameer mazar e shahe konain mamoor isi khak say qibla hai hamara ham khak uraiay gain jo wo khak na paiee aabad Raza jis pay Madina hai hamara Edited 31 مارچ 2008 by Saif ul Islam اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 1 اپریل 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 1 اپریل 2008 Mohtram Ubaid Raza ager mein Sabit kar doun keh ap Maulana Yousuf Ludhiyanvi Sahib jise Shaheed Khatam e Nabuwwat bhi kaha jate hai ne Mirza Sahib ki Books se Tahreef kar k Paish kya hai to .....................................................................??? awr Rahi baat Mirza Sahib ki to Jitnne Galyaan unko day sakte ho day loo aisa karne se na to ap loog Khuda ki jamat ka kuch bigar sko gay awr na he Khuda kay sachay nabi ka اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashiq Koun مراسلہ: 1 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 1 اپریل 2008 mr aamir aap ne merri pehli baat ka kuch saaf jawab nien dya. mere bhai Khuda ne apna Nabi ager Qadyan mein bheja hai to Khuda se pocho na Mirza Sahib to Elan kar rahai hain Dawa kar rahae hain keh mein Khuda ki traf se hon Khuda ne mujy rasool bana kr bheja hai to Khuda se jhagra karo na keh us ne q bheja ye mirza ka saaf jhute hay agar ye sah hay to es ki daleel do k khudane qadyan mein rasool beja. rahi baat Hazrat Essa ki tohain ki to mujy sirf aik hawala dikha do Mirza sahib ne kahin bhi toheein nhi ki es baat ka jawab mien ne dosry topic mien de dya hay chek kro mirza ki asal books k sath. baqi tum ne es baat ka jawab nie dya k mirza ne jo kaha k mein khdua hn mien mosa hn kya ye sach hay ya jhute? tesri baat tum ne kaha ka ullama mirza ko galian dety hayn. ab zara mirzy ki books k pages perho jis mien gali di gyi hay. batow k tumhara mirza galian deta hay ya humary ullama ? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 2 اپریل 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 2 اپریل 2008 Shabash Syaq o Sabaq se Hatt k awr Adhoori Tehreroon se Ap awr apk So CALLED Mulla jitna dhooka day skte ho day lo Woh Khuda k sachay Rasool hain awr Humesha Raheein gay Quran se bari awr kya Daleel doon Apko ? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashiq Koun مراسلہ: 2 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 2 اپریل 2008 mr aamir zara aankhin khool k ghour se daekh ye tery mirzy ki apni bbok hay jsi mein wo mirzy ka inkar kerny waloun ko haramzada keh raha hay .tery pass es ka koi jawab nien hay esi lye tu saaf baat nien ker raha. dosri baat k tu pehly ye sabit ker k tu mirzy ko samajta kya hay tu apny mirzy ko isnan kto sabit ker nien saka rasool kya sabit kery ga. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 5 اپریل 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 5 اپریل 2008 mere bhai yahan bhi unki tehriir pe Mulla ne Zulm kya hai unhoon ki ess arabic tehrir mein Lafz " ZURIAT UL BAGH" use howa hi awr Arabic Lughat se ap sabhit kr doo keh Es k Maani Kanjryoon ki awlad hota hai ya Haramzada hota hai to mein Jammat Ahmadiyya se ALAG ho Jaonga magar yaad rakho hergiz tum esay sabit nhi kr sko gay اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashiq Koun مراسلہ: 6 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 6 اپریل 2008 mere bhai yahan bhi unki tehriir pe Mulla ne Zulm kya hai unhoon ki ess arabic tehrir mein Lafz " ZURIAT UL BAGH" use howa hi awr Arabic Lughat se ap sabhit kr doo keh Es k Maani Kanjryoon ki awlad hota hai ya Haramzada hota hai to mein Jammat Ahmadiyya se ALAG ho Jaonga magar yaad rakho aamir zara ghour karo .tumhari nazar kamzoor hay . mien ne mirzy ki book ROHANI KHAZAIN ka hawal dya tha jo k rabva se chhappi hay. aor ye urdu mien hay wahan mirza saaf waladul haraam keh raha hay. tum pata nien koun se hawaly ki baat kr rahy ho. haan agra ye WALDUL HARAM kehna tumhary nazdeek gali nein hay to phir mien agar khun k tum bhi WALDUL HARAM ho to tum kya socho ge? ye mien nem sirf sawal kya hay zara jawab dena? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asim10 مراسلہ: 6 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 6 اپریل 2008 Ghairat ki ja hai Essa zinda ho asmaan pe Madfon ho zameen mein Shah e Dojahan humara oh mr qadyani yeh kahan ka usool hay . kay jo uper ho woh alla aour jo neechay hoo woh adna. chaloo tumhree hee baat ke roo say baat kartay hain. yeh bataoo jab hum loog roza rasool saw per jatay hain to hum loog too kharay hotay hain aour app saw aram farma rahay hotay hain. yani app saw neechay hotay hain aour hum uper. to aqal kay andhay yeh bata oo kiya hum {naouzobillah suma naozobillah suma naozobillah min zalik },afzal ho gayai. kuch aqal shareef main baat ayee kay nahin. mairay aksar labour jab mujh say milnay mairay office main atay hain to main baitha hota hoon aour woh kharay ho tay hain . yani tumharay usool kay mutabiq woh us waqat mujh say unchay hotay hain. to is ka kiya matalb un ka rutba mujh say barah gaiiya . yaar plz kuch tooo khud bhee sooch samjh loo .kay her baat rateee ratayee hee karoo ghay. allah tumhain hidyat day . main tumhain musalman honay kee dawat daita hoon.yani kalima perh loo aour islam qabool kar loo.aour qadiyaniyat choor doo. allah hum sub ko seedhee rah dekha aiy.ameen. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 8 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 8 اپریل 2008 (ترمیم شدہ) Sacha Khuda wohi Khuda jis ne apna Rasool Qadyan mein bheja Pehlay Nabi badla ab Khuda bhi!! mere bhai Khuda ne apna Nabi ager Qadyan mein bheja hai to Khuda se pocho na Mirza Sahib to Elan kar rahai hain Dawa kar rahae hain keh mein Khuda ki traf se hon Khuda ne mujy rasool bana kr bheja hai to Khuda se jhagra karo na keh us ne q bheja Kya hi ghaleez mantak hai. Mein yaha aik simple si misaal don ga... dil per mat lijiye ga kyu ke maqsad baat ko samjhana hai na ke tazleel! Mein agar yaha ba'baang-e-dehl kaho ke mein iss forum per moujod Aamir Malik Qadiyani ka Baap hon (Allah mujhay iss bad'kaari se bachaye!).. tu aap mujh se jhagra karein gay jis ne dawa kya hai ya phir apni walida ka giraybaan pakrein gay ke Amma! Ye kya munh kaala karwa bethien? Suna tu tha ke Khuda jab imaan leta hai tu aqlein bhi cheen leta hain aap ne iss ka namoona bhi dikha diya! Khair aap per doosray topic per bhi post ka jawab matloob hai jis ke kashf mein Mirza sahib ne khudai ka dawa bhi kar dya. Uss ki bhi kuch wazahat kar dijiye tu baat kuch agay barhay. Iss tarah topics create kar ke khud faraar honay se tu kuch sabit hona nahi. Khalil Bhai ka jawab bhi aap per udhaar hai... Edited 8 اپریل 2008 by Sybarite اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 9 اپریل 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 9 اپریل 2008 Dear Sybrite Jahan tak Jhoote daway ki baat hai na to zara fursat millay to Quran e Kareem ki sorat Haqa dekhain wahan pe to Muhammad saw ko bhi yeh tanbeeh ki gai hai keh ager yeh shakhs (Muhammad saw) apni traf se koe dawa kare to hum eski rag e jaan kaat dein ab nauzoobillah mein yeh to hergiz nhi kahoon ga keh Mirza sahib nauzobillah Nabi e Karim se barh kr hain bhai mere unhoon ne apne her dawae k sath Khuda ka naam zaroor lya hai mein essi liye to ap logoon ko bar bar keh raha hon keh Khuda se rujoo karein rahi Kashf ki baat to lafz Kashf he eska jawab hai pehlay zarra yeh parh lien k kashf hota kya cheez hai mein farar hergiz nhi ho raha awr na he ho raha hon awr na he honga Ap logoon ne abhi tak Quran ki aik aayat nhi dikhae awr mein ne apni pehli post mein he kaha tha keh mein yahan aik dosre per gand uchalne k liye nhi aaya balkeh Quran o Hadees ki baat krne aaya hon Arab mein Hikmat ka baap Abul Hakam kyoon Abo Jihl kehlaya sirf essi Hit dharmi ki wajja se jis ka ap loog awr apk Naam Nehad Ulma muzahira kr rahai hain Khuda ka Khauf karo Humarra koe Alag Khuda nhi hai awr na he Humne koe Nabi badla hai humne to apne Pyare Aqqa Hazrat Muhammad saw ka Hukam manna hai ap loog he hain jo Quran mein ghaur o Fikar nhi karte balkeh Gandi se Gandi bateen karne se bhi guraiz nhi krte estrah ka elzami meterial mere pass bhi bahut hai leiken mein nhi chahta keh meri wajja se kisi ki dil aazari ho اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 11 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 اپریل 2008 Dear Sybrite Jahan tak Jhoote daway ki baat hai na to zara fursat millay to Quran e Kareem ki sorat Haqa dekhain wahan pe to Muhammad saw ko bhi yeh tanbeeh ki gai hai keh ager yeh shakhs (Muhammad saw) apni traf se koe dawa kare to hum eski rag e jaan kaat dein ab nauzoobillah mein yeh to hergiz nhi kahoon ga keh Mirza sahib nauzobillah Nabi e Karim se barh kr hain Ye aap ne kis baat ka jawab diya ye bhi bata djiye. Aur Qurani Ayat ka hawala denay ka tareeqah ye nahi hota ke Surah ka naam likh kar keh diya jaye ke parh lo. Ainda se Qurani Surah ya Ayaat ka hawala detay waqt khayal rakhiya ga. bhai mere unhoon ne apne her dawae k sath Khuda ka naam zaroor lya hai mein essi liye to ap logoon ko bar bar keh raha hon keh Khuda se rujoo karein Khuda ka naam tu shaitaan bhi leta hai! Tu sirf Khuda ka naam lena kisi bhi daway ke sachay honay ki daleel tu nahi. Yaha poora forum Khuda ka naam le kar kahay ga ke Mirza Maloon Kazib aur Jahannumi hai tu phir aap apni paish'karda mantak ke mutabik isay ba'haisiyat daleel qubool kar ke iss daway ko bhi sacha maan lijiye ga. rahi Kashf ki baat to lafz Kashf he eska jawab hai pehlay zarra yeh parh lien k kashf hota kya cheez hai Sawal ke jawab mein sawal nahi kiya jata janab! Kashf aap ke mirza ka hai aur kashf ki tareef ka mutaliba hum se kar rahay hain! Ap logoon ne abhi tak Quran ki aik aayat nhi dikhae awr mein ne apni pehli post mein he kaha tha keh mein yahan aik dosre per gand uchalne k liye nhi aaya balkeh Quran o Hadees ki baat krne aaya hon Kis maslay per Qurani ayaat dekhni hai aap ne? Aur agar Qurani Ayat paish kar bhi di tu aap ke nazdeek kaun si tafasir mu'tabirr hain? Umooman Mirzaiyoo ki khaslat ye hoti hai ke jaha baat nahi bani waha samnay walay ke dalail ko man gharat keh kar radd kar dya jis ka bharpoor muzahira aap yaha bhi kartay nazar aa rahay hain. Agar yaha aap ko Qurani Ayaat bhi dikha di gai tu uss ki tafasir mein kuch dair behes ke baad aap yehi roona roota nazar aien gay ke "aap ki tafsir man'gharat hai". Aap ki halat kunway ke maindak ki si hai. Aap ko yehi nahi maloom ke aap kis maktaba-e-fikr ke forum per baat karnay aye hain. Aap ki kajj'fehmi ka andaza isi baat se ho jata hai ke aap yaha hum Ahle`Sunnah ke saamnay Yousuf Ludhyanvi, Qasim Nanotwi aur Maudoodi jaiso ki kharafaat ko daleel bana rahay hain jab ke hum wazeh tour per inn sab ka radd kartay hain. Rahi baat gand uchalnay ki tu yaha kisi nay aap ko gaali tu di nahi. Saray hi hazrat aap ko aap hi ke Mirzay ki kitabein utha utha kar dikha rahay hain. Ab Mirza ki kitabein ko hawalay dena gand uchalnay ke mutaradiff hai tu phir aap dekh lijiye aap kis maqaam per kharay hain! Arab mein Hikmat ka baap Abul Hakam kyoon Abo Jihl kehlaya sirf essi Hit dharmi ki wajja se jis ka ap loog awr apk Naam Nehad Ulma muzahira kr rahai hain Musalyma, Kazzab kyu kehalaya? Aswad-e-Ansi dajjal kyu kehalaya? Ummat mein 30 dajjalo ki aamad ki khabar hadith mein mojoud, uss mein se pehlay 2 ye thay. In ka dawa bhi wohi jo Mirza ka tu Mirza kya howa? Khuda ka Khauf karo Humarra koe Alag Khuda nhi hai awr na he Humne koe Nabi badla hai humne to apne Pyare Aqqa Hazrat Muhammad saw ka Hukam manna hai Hum tu Ummat-e-Muhammadi aur iss ihsaan per apnay Maalik ke shukar'guzar hain. Aap ka tu nabi hi Mirza tu aap Ummat-e-Muhammadi tu na howay. Rahi baat khuda badalnay na badalnay ki tu iss ka andaza isi se hojata hai ke aap ne Khuda Ta'la ki tareef ke liye Mirza ko wajeh-e-iftikhaar bana lya aur Fakhr-e-Kainaat Sarwar-e-Do jahan (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) ka zikr tak nahi! ap loog he hain jo Quran mein ghaur o Fikar nhi karte balkeh Gandi se Gandi bateen karne se bhi guraiz nhi krte estrah ka elzami meterial mere pass bhi bahut hai leiken mein nhi chahta keh meri wajja se kisi ki dil aazari ho Ab ye typical Mirzaiyoo wali oochi harkatein aur ilzaam tarashi karein gay tu koi faida nahi. Aap ko gandi gaaliya dekhni hai tu Mirza ki kitabein parh lijiye, gaaliyo ke encyclopedia ki kami mehsoos nahi hogi aap ko. Aap ko namoonay dekhnay tu bata dijiye ga. Waisay aik baat hai, aap sawal ke jawab ke ilawa tamaam batein bari khoobi se kar letay hain. Mein ne aap ki paish'karda mantak ko samnay rakhtay howay aap se aik sawal kya tu uss ka jawab aap gool kar gaye. Aap ki asaani ke liye mein dobara likhay deta hon, umeed karta hon iss baar jawab zaroor marhamat farmaye gay. mere bhai Khuda ne apna Nabi ager Qadyan mein bheja hai to Khuda se pocho na Mirza Sahib to Elan kar rahai hain Dawa kar rahae hain keh mein Khuda ki traf se hon Khuda ne mujy rasool bana kr bheja hai to Khuda se jhagra karo na keh us ne q bheja Apni iss mandarja'bala mantak ko paish-e-nazr rakhtay howay iss sawal ka jawab dijiye takay wazahat ho jaye ke aap apni baat per kitna qayam hain. Yaad rakhiye yaha koi gaali nahi di gai. Mantak aap hi ki hai sirf theme change ki hai scenario same hi hai. Mein agar yaha ba'baang-e-dehl kaho ke mein iss forum per moujod Aamir Malik Qadiyani ka Baap hon (Allah mujhay iss bad'kaari se bachaye!).. tu aap mujh se jhagra karein gay jis ne dawa kya hai ya phir apni walida ka giraybaan pakrein gay ke Amma! Ye kya munh kaala karwa bethien? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
water lily مراسلہ: 11 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 11 اپریل 2008 jazakALLAH ho khaira اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 11 اپریل 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 11 اپریل 2008 Ye aap ne kis baat ka jawab diya ye bhi bata djiye. Aur Qurani Ayat ka hawala denay ka tareeqah ye nahi hota ke Surah ka naam likh kar keh diya jaye ke parh lo. Ainda se Qurani Surah ya Ayaat ka hawala detay waqt khayal rakhiya ga. ap ka yeh jawab Quran se bilkul na waqfiat zahir krta hai; kam az kam ap ko yeh to maloom hona chahiye keh jhoote mudai e nabuwaat ki quran mein saza kya hai jab ap ko yeh he nhi maloom to mujh pe etrazz krna apka bilkul be ja hai. Quran e Karim mein Jhoote Mudyaan e Nabwuat ki saza yeh hai keh unko traqi nhi milti awr woh Halak kar diye jate hain. Jamaat Ahamdiyya ki tarqi unki sachai ki roshan daleel hai. ager es baat se inkar krte ho to kisi aik jhoote nabi ki jamaat dikha do jis ko Allah tallah ne etni tarqi di ho 5 lac per hour k hisaab se satellite channel MTA totally vaulintreey chal raha hai . ap loog aerrhi choti ka zoor laga kr bhi settlite channel nhi chala ske Hazrat Mirza Sahib ko aik Elhaam howa tha " Mein teri Tableeqh ko Zameen k Kinaroon tak Pahunchaonga" ab batao Jamaat ka 185 countries mein qyam awr MTA kis shaan se es Elhaam ki sachai ko sabit kr rhaay hain Ap loog Khilafat k qyam k liye bahut se tehreekein chala chuke batao bani Khilafat ab zara Jammat Ahmadiyya ko daikh lo Khilafat ko Qaim howe 100 se hone walay hain jis ka vaada Quran e Karim mein bhi hai awr Inshallah humari Khilafat Qyamat tak rhay gi her shakhs ka Direct apne Khalifa se rabta hai jammat ki tariqyaat ko ager Tehqiqi nighah se dekho to apko andaza ho jae ga lekin ager sirf etrraaaz krna ho awr jhutlana ho to woh sab to Essai awr Yahoodi bhi Islam k sath kr rahay hain jis trah un logoon ko Islam ki Haqaniat nhi balkeh Etraaz nazar aate hain ap loog bhi esi trah kr rhay hain kuch Khuda ka Khauf kro awr Aqal k nakhun loo Khuda ka naam tu shaitaan bhi leta hai! Tu sirf Khuda ka naam lena kisi bhi daway ke sachay honay ki daleel tu nahi. Yaha poora forum Khuda ka naam le kar kahay ga ke Mirza Maloon Kazib aur Jahannumi hai tu phir aap apni paish'karda mantak ke mutabik isay ba'haisiyat daleel qubool kar ke iss daway ko bhi sacha maan lijiye ga. Khuda ka naam lene mein awr Khuda ki taraf baat mansoob krne mein bara farq hota hai mere bhai. es baat ka jaawab mein uper bhi day chuka hon. Jhoote Mudyan e Nubwat ki saza Quran mein Mukhtalif jaga darj hai ap ko taufeeq ho to mulahiza karne mein koe harj nhi sawab ka sawab awr tehqeeq ki tehqeeq ho jae gi Sawal ke jawab mein sawal nahi kiya jata janab! Kashf aap ke mirza ka hai aur kashf ki tareef ka mutaliba hum se kar rahay hain! mere bhai ap k sawalat he aise hongay to mein yahi kahoonga na ap ko jab yeh he na pata ho k kashf hota kaya hai to ap kisi k Kashf pe kis trah Etraaz kr skte hain. Mana k Kashf Mirza Sahib ka hai to yeh bhi batao na keh Kashf kis ne dikhaya hai ???? Kis maslay per Qurani ayaat dekhni hai aap ne? Aur agar Qurani Ayat paish kar bhi di tu aap ke nazdeek kaun si tafasir mu'tabirr hain? Umooman Mirzaiyoo ki khaslat ye hoti hai ke jaha baat nahi bani waha samnay walay ke dalail ko man gharat keh kar radd kar dya jis ka bharpoor muzahira aap yaha bhi kartay nazar aa rahay hain. Agar yaha aap ko Qurani Ayaat bhi dikha di gai tu uss ki tafasir mein kuch dair behes ke baad aap yehi roona roota nazar aien gay ke "aap ki tafsir man'gharat hai". Aap ki halat kunway ke maindak ki si hai. Aap ko yehi nahi maloom ke aap kis maktaba-e-fikr ke forum per baat karnay aye hain. Aap ki kajj'fehmi ka andaza isi baat se ho jata hai ke aap yaha hum Ahle`Sunnah ke saamnay Yousuf Ludhyanvi, Qasim Nanotwi aur Maudoodi jaiso ki kharafaat ko daleel bana rahay hain jab ke hum wazeh tour per inn sab ka radd kartay hain. Rahi baat gand uchalnay ki tu yaha kisi nay aap ko gaali tu di nahi. Saray hi hazrat aap ko aap hi ke Mirzay ki kitabein utha utha kar dikha rahay hain. Ab Mirza ki kitabein ko hawalay dena gand uchalnay ke mutaradiff hai tu phir aap dekh lijiye aap kis maqaam per kharay hain! pehli post se mein to yehi keh raha hon k lao jo bhi Ikhtalfat hai apk awr humare woh Quran e Karim se daikh lete hain mein ne to pehlay he manna kya tha ap logoon ki halat daikh kr k Jab tk Quran o Hadees se koe baat sabit na kar lo Ap apni Aqal se kiis pe Keechar na uchalo laiken ap loog hain k baaz he nhi aate mein Muslman ho awr mein aisa kaam hergiz nhi krna chahta jis se kisi bhi muslmaan bhai ki dil azaari ho Jahan tak apk Daleel Radd krne ki baat hai mere pass jab Quran e Karim ya Hadees se koe jawab nhi hota mein hergiz apna Naqis Aqal se Quran o Hadees ko Radd nhi kr skta Mohtram Khalil Rana sahib ne Quran o Hadees se jawab dya hai jis pe mein working kr raha hon laiken mein ne hergiz abhi tk usko radd nhi kya es liye janab mujh pe Jhoota Elazzam laga rahay hain awr Jhoot Bolna Momin ki shaan nhi hoti mere bhai Musalyma, Kazzab kyu kehalaya? Aswad-e-Ansi dajjal kyu kehalaya? aj hai koi Musalyma ka naam lene walla hai kahein per un donoon Lantyoon ki Jamat Abo Jehl awr Musalyma ko Millana Gadhe ko Ghore k kaan lagane wali baat hai meri baat samjhne ki koshish krein mein keh kya rha hon Bhai mere un donoon ne to Nabuwwat ka dawa kya tha ab mujy batao keh Abo Jehl ne konsa dawa kya tha mere bhai Abo Jehl ki misaal es liye day rhaa tha keh ussko apni Aqal o Hikmat pe barra naaz tha awr ajkal k ulma e karaam ka bhi yahi haal hai; meri baat k jawab mein musalyma awr aswad e ansi ka hawala dena kahan ka mantaq hai Ummat mein 30 dajjalo ki aamad ki khabar hadith mein mojoud, uss mein se pehlay 2 ye thay. In ka dawa bhi wohi jo Mirza ka tu Mirza kya howa? Mere Bhai zara Tehqiqi Nighah se Kaam lo es trah se to kabhi rah e Haq ko nhi pa sko gay Hum tu Ummat-e-Muhammadi aur iss ihsaan per apnay Maalik ke shukar'guzar hain. Aap ka tu nabi hi Mirza tu aap Ummat-e-Muhammadi tu na howay. G Nhi humara Nabi bhi wohi hai to jo Tamma Jahanon k liye Rehmat ban kar aaya yani Hazrat Muhammad awr farq sirf yeh hai keh hum ne Unhi k hukm k mutabiq jis aane wlay ka woh bata kar gay the usee pehchan kr maan lya hai awr ap loog jis trah Yahood ne Hazrat Ilyyas k batae howe Hazrat Essa ko nhi mana usi trah kr rhay haih Rahi baat khuda badalnay na badalnay ki tu iss ka andaza isi se hojata hai ke aap ne Khuda Ta'la ki tareef ke liye Mirza ko wajeh-e-iftikhaar bana lya aur Fakhr-e-Kainaat Sarwar-e-Do jahan (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) ka zikr tak nahi! Hergiz aise baat nhi mein pehlay he keh chuka hon keh Mere kya her muslaman k nazdeek Hazrat Muhamad e Mustafa saw jahan hain wahan koe bhi nhi ager meri baqi ki post ka mutalia karein Khas taur per Hazrat Mirza Sahib ki Nabi e Karim se Mohabat ka to apka yeh etraazz bhi batil ho jae ga Ab ye typical Mirzaiyoo wali oochi harkatein aur ilzaam tarashi karein gay tu koi faida nahi. Aap ko gandi gaaliya dekhni hai tu Mirza ki kitabein parh lijiye, gaaliyo ke encyclopedia ki kami mehsoos nahi hogi aap ko. Aap ko namoonay dekhnay tu bata dijiye ga. Elazzaam tarrashi awr Buhtaan kon kiss per laga rhay hai yeh to meri posts k replay ap logon ne jo diye hain us se bakhobi andaza ho jata hai Rahi baat Mirza Sahib per lagae gay Ilzaam ki to bajae sirf choti choti tehrerron k ap ager woh pora mazmoon taqwa k sath parhein gay to Inshallah ap ko jawab mill jae ga Waisay aik baat hai, aap sawal ke jawab ke ilawa tamaam batein bari khoobi se kar letay hain. Mein ne aap ki paish'karda mantak ko samnay rakhtay howay aap se aik sawal kya tu uss ka jawab aap gool kar gaye. Aap ki asaani ke liye mein dobara likhay deta hon, umeed karta hon iss baar jawab zaroor marhamat farmaye gay. Janab zara bataein gay k kahan mein ne apk sawal ka jawab nhi dya Janab yeh to mujy Yaqeen hai keh apki nazar kamzoor nhi laiken yeh mein yaqeen se keh skta hon ke apki Aqal ki nazar per zuroor tallay lagay howe hain. Mein yahan Quran ki Ayaat se kuch post krta hon jiska jawab ap loog Quran se denne ki bajae Mirza Sahib ki Tehriroon ko kaat kr dete hain Apni iss mandarja'bala mantak ko paish-e-nazr rakhtay howay iss sawal ka jawab dijiye takay wazahat ho jaye ke aap apni baat per kitna qayam hain. Yaad rakhiye yaha koi gaali nahi di gai. Mantak aap hi ki hai sirf theme change ki hai scenario same hi hai. Janab mera yahan kehne se matlab bahut Wazeh hai keh Khuda se Rujoo karo Duaeen karo woh Ap zurrur rehnumai kare ga mere bhai sirf Ulma ki bateen sun kr chup na ho Jao wo Khuda sab ka Khuda hai awr sab ki suntta Mirza Sahib kya her sachay Nabi ne yahi dawa kya hai keh Mujy Khuda ne apna Nabi banaya hai mere bhai ap tehqiq karo awr us k liye Hadees e Rasool hai Quran e Karim hai Mein agar yaha ba'baang-e-dehl kaho ke mein iss forum per moujod Aamir Malik Qadiyani ka Baap hon (Allah mujhay iss bad'kaari se bachaye!).. tu aap mujh se jhagra karein gay jis ne dawa kya hai ya phir apni walida ka giraybaan pakrein gay ke Amma! Ye kya munh kaala karwa bethien? Janab jahan tak ap k es dawae ki baat hai assi misaal se mashallah apk Zehn o Kirdar ki Khabasat ka Khoob andaza hota hai Kahan Khuda ki Atta ki howe Nubwwat ka Dawa awr Kahan kisi k Najaiz baap hone ka dawa essi baat karte howe sharam nhi aati apko ap jesay muslmanoon ko daikh kr he Allama Muhtram ne Farmya tha Waza mein tum ho Nassara to Tumdan mein Hunood yeh Muslaman hain Jinhain dekh k sharmaein yahood mujy apk dawae se koe saro kaar nhi ager Himat hai to yeh Dawa karO KHUDA KA NAAM LAY KAR KEH KHUDA ES BAAT KA GAWAH HAI KEH MEIN AAMIR MALIK KAA BAAP HON Dosri baat yeh keh mein Qadyani nhi hon mein Ahmadi hon Qadyaan mein rehne walay Qadyani kehlate hain Nauzobillah min zalik es trah k ghtya buhtan o elzmaaat apka kasoor nhi hai jis ghar mein bachay ki jis trah tarbiat ki jati hai woh barra ho kr ussi trah ka banta hai mein janta hon keh meri bateen apko mirchi lageen gi agar Quran o Hadees se jawab nhi hai to janab ghar beth jao yah us mehfil mein jao jo apk munh se zahir ho rahi hai yahan to Quran o Hadees k mutabiq kisi ki Nabuwwat ki ho rahi hai es mein Ikhtlaaf e Raee Common c baat hai lekin hum loog Quran e kareem se sachai ko dekh skte hain lekin ap yahan ess trah ki gandi bateen kr k apne apko jo sabit krna chahte hain woh Khoob kr chuke اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 12 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 12 اپریل 2008 (ترمیم شدہ) Aap ki be'sarro-o-paa hizyaan ka jawab dena mein zaroori nahi samjhta. Hum meni se koi bhi yaha Mirzaiyat ke media mein achievements discuss karne nahi betha, aap ke nazdeek TV Channels chalana islam hai tu phir aisay dalail aur lataif apne ihbaab mein hi bayan kiya karein. Filhaal sirf itna bata don BBC is waqt dunya ki largest broadcasting company since 1922 with an estimated annual budget of £4 billion. Rahi baat Mirza ke ilhaam ki tu mein ab agar aap se unn ilhamaat ke baray mein sawal karo ga jo poora na howay balkay ultay sabit ho gaye tu aap ki baat ko idher se udher ghumana shuru ho jaye gay. Kahiye issi issue per aleha topic bana kar baat kar lein ke Mirza ke kitnay ilhaam aur paishangoiyaa sachi sabit howi aur kitni ghalat? Aur aap se aik chooti si request to ye ke mujhay bhai keh kar gaali na dijiye baar baar. Mein kisi bad'aqeeda shakhs ke munh se khud ko bhai kehalwana pasand nahi karta. Doosra ye ke agar aap ne waqai mere kisi sawal ka jawab nahi dena tu bata dijiye takay aap per mazeed waqt zaya na karo. Mere sawal se farar honay ke liye taweelat ka sahara lene se baat nahi banay gi ulta loog aap per hansay gay! Mazeed ye ke mein ne aap se pehlay bhi poocha ab bhi pooch raha hon ke aap jo ye Quran-o-Hadith se hawalat ka naara lagaye jaa rahay hain tu pehlay zara ye bhi tu bataiye na ke aap ke nazdeek kaun si tafasir mu'tabirr hain. Pehlay dalail ka taiyyunn tu kijiye phir mutaliba kijiye ga ke Quran-o-Hadith se hawalajaat ka. Mein yaha tafasir ya ahadith se hawalay deta rahon aur agay se aap kehtay rahein ke ye aap Mirzaiyoo ke nazdeek mutabirr nahi tu phir tu ho gai discussion. Khudara iss baar tu iss baat ka jawab dejiye ga! Ap loog Khilafat k qyam k liye bahut se tehreekein chala chuke batao bani Khilafat Tu matlab 4 ghadday mil kar 5th ghadday ko apnay ko apna khalifa bana lien tu ye khilafat ka qayam ho gaya? Aap apni jamato mein kya kartay hain kya nahi, kis cheez ka qayam kartay hain kis ka nahi iss se kisi ko kya sar-o-kar? Aisi hi andarnoo-e-khana khalifa giri ko aap khilafat kehtay hain? Waisay jitnay bhi Salasil chal rahay hain un sab mein khilafat aaj tak chal rahi hai.. ab ye baat aap ke sarr se guzar jaye gi. her shakhs ka Direct apne Khalifa se rabta hai Koi 2 saal pehlay meri aik Qadiyani khandaan se khaafi lambi behes chali thi. Mousoof mujh se her baat mein yehi kehtay ke mujhay zyada knowledge nahi baroo se baat karo. Mein ne uss per bhi raza'mandi zahir kar di tu woh apnay Dada ko le aye jo ba'qoul unn ki Lahore kisi Qadiyani party ke sar'garam kaarkun aur bohut hi pohanchi howi hasti thay. Mere laakh israar ke bawajood bhi woh hazrat bil'mushafa mulaqaat aur samnay beth kar baat karne ke liye raazi nahi howi halanke meri taraf se khulli choot thi ke jaha aap ka dil karay, jaha aap khud ko mehfooz samjhein waha mujhay bula lien but Dada jee inkaar hi kartay rahay. Bila'aakhir tehreeri baat hi shuru howi Hayat-e-Eisa (Allaihe Salam). Unn ki taraf se pehla sawal aya jis ka mudallal jawab dene ke baad mein ne Mirza ki kitabo se kuch sawalaat paish kiye khosoosan Hazrat Eisa (Allaihe Salam) ki qabar ki nishandahi ke baray mein. Jawab mein mujhay kaha gaya ke abhi Lahore jaa raha hon aa kar jawab don aur Allah ko gawah bana kar kehta hon ke 2 saal ho gaye unn Dada jee ki taraf se koi jawab nahi aya. Allah hi janay kaisa direct raabta hai ye! Khuda ka naam lene mein awr Khuda ki taraf baat mansoob krne mein bara farq hota hai mere bhai. es baat ka jaawab mein uper bhi day chuka hon. Jhoote Mudyan e Nubwat ki saza Quran mein Mukhtalif jaga darj hai ap ko taufeeq ho to mulahiza karne mein koe harj nhi sawab ka sawab awr tehqeeq ki tehqeeq ho jae gi ap k sawalat he aise hongay to mein yahi kahoonga na ap ko jab yeh he na pata ho k kashf hota kaya hai to ap kisi k Kashf pe kis trah Etraaz kr skte hain. Mana k Kashf Mirza Sahib ka hai to yeh bhi batao na keh Kashf kis ne dikhaya hai ? Iss se bari aur kya saza hogi ke Mirza jawani se martay damm tak mukhtalif moozi beemariyo mein mubtila rahay yaha tak ke haiza ki halat mein maray? Aur yehi kuch haal Mirza ke khulfa ka howa, kisi ko falij howa tu kisi ko kuch! Allah ke Nabi aisay hotay hain? Hazrat mein ne aap se kab kaha ke mujhay Kashf ke maani nahi maloom. Mein ne tu simply aap se mutabila kiya ke aap jo ye keh rahay hain ke mujhay kashf ke maani nahi maloom tu aap batla dijiye ke Kashf kisay kehtay hain. Aap Mirzai hain tu zara pehlay Kashf ki mirzai tareef to bayan karein na! Rahi baat kashf kis ne dikhaya tu iss baat ka faisla aap kaisay kar saktay hain? Aap ke paas kaun sa ilhaami saboot hai ke Mirza ke kashf sachay thay? Ya kahi aap ko bhi kashf ki zariye maloom hogaya ke Mirza ke kashf sachay thay? pehli post se mein to yehi keh raha hon k lao jo bhi Ikhtalfat hai apk awr humare woh Quran e Karim se daikh lete hain mein ne to pehlay he manna kya tha ap logoon ki halat daikh kr k Jab tk Quran o Hadees se koe baat sabit na kar lo Ap apni Aqal se kiis pe Keechar na uchalo laiken ap loog hain k baaz he nhi aate mein Muslman ho awr mein aisa kaam hergiz nhi krna chahta jis se kisi bhi muslmaan bhai ki dil azaari ho Jahan tak apk Daleel Radd krne ki baat hai mere pass jab Quran e Karim ya Hadees se koe jawab nhi hota mein hergiz apna Naqis Aqal se Quran o Hadees ko Radd nhi kr skta Mohtram Khalil Rana sahib ne Quran o Hadees se jawab dya hai jis pe mein working kr raha hon laiken mein ne hergiz abhi tk usko radd nhi kya es liye janab mujh pe Jhoota Elazzam laga rahay hain awr Jhoot Bolna Momin ki shaan nhi hoti mere bhai Aik hi baat ko roye jaa rahay hain! Hazrat mein ne kab inkaar kiya Quran-o-Hadith se dalail paish karne ka! Lekin pehlay aap taiyunn tu kijiye na ke aap ke nazdeek kya mutabirr hai aur kya nahi! Rahi baat keechar uchalnay ki tu mein ne kaun si gaali de di? Agar hum aap ko aap hi ke Mirza ki kitaboo se hawalay detay hain tu ussay aap keechar uchalnay se tabeer kartay hain! Agar aap ye kehna chahtay hain ke hum Mirza ki kitaboo se siyaq-o-sabaq ke baghair hawalajaat naql kar rahay hain aur haqeeqi maani meni tehreef kar rahay hain tu ye sabit karna tu aap ki zimaydaari hai naa ke hamari. Maslan aap forum mein doosray topics dehkien. Agar koi deobandi humaray akabireen ki ibarato per aiteraaz karta hain tu hum usay us ka jawab detay hain. Aap ne abhi tak Mirza ki kitabo se diye gaye kisi hawalay per mudallal baat nahi ki. Sirf yehi rootay aarahay hain ke tehreef kardi, ghalat maani le liye, siyaq-o-sabaaq nahi waghaira waghaira. To ab ye tu aap ki zimaydaari hai na ke aap siyaq-o-sabaq paish kar ke Mirza ki tehreer ko justify karein. Abo Jehl awr Musalyma ko Millana Gadhe ko Ghore k kaan lagane wali baat hai meri baat samjhne ki koshish krein mein keh kya rha hon Bhai mere un donoon ne to Nabuwwat ka dawa kya tha ab mujy batao keh Abo Jehl ne konsa dawa kya tha mere bhai Abo Jehl ki misaal es liye day rhaa tha keh ussko apni Aqal o Hikmat pe barra naaz tha awr ajkal k ulma e karaam ka bhi yahi haal hai;meri baat k jawab mein musalyma awr aswad e ansi ka hawala dena kahan ka mantaq hai Lakeer ke fakeer bannay se perhaiz karein tu baat samajh aa jaye gi aap ko. Mein ne aap ki baat mein paish'karda mantak ko le kar baat ki thi na ke Abu'Jehl ki zaat ko le kar. Aap yehi kehna chah rahay hain na ke Abu Jehl apni hatt dharmi ki wajeh si Abu'Jehl kehalwaya tu mein bhi tu yehi arz kar raha hon ke Musaylma Kazzab, Aswad-e-Ansi aur Mukhtar dajjal aur kazzab kyu kehalwaye? Unn ka dawa bhi wohi tu jo Mirza ne kiya. Mutabiqat ko dekhiye naa ke shakhsiyaat ko. 30 Dajjalo ke zahoor ka zikr hadith mein wazeh tour per moujoud hai aur yehi bayan ke 30 ke 30 dajjal jhooti nabuwatt ka dawa karein gay. Yehi kuch aap ke Mirza ne kiya. Agar Mirza sacha nabi hota tu hadith youn hoti ke 30 dajjal hongay jo nabuwatt ka jhoota dawa karein gay aur aik aisa hoga jo sacha hoga. Jab ke iss zaman mein koi aik hadith bhi nahi. G Nhi humara Nabi bhi wohi hai to jo Tamma Jahanon k liye Rehmat ban kar aaya yani Hazrat Muhammad awr farq sirf yeh hai keh hum ne Unhi k hukm k mutabiq jis aane wlay ka woh bata kar gay the usee pehchan kr maan lya hai awr ap loog jis trah Yahood ne Hazrat Ilyyas k batae howe Hazrat Essa ko nhi mana usi trah kr rhay haih Elazzaam tarrashi awr Buhtaan kon kiss per laga rhay hai yeh to meri posts k replay ap logon ne jo diye hain us se bakhobi andaza ho jata hai Rahi baat Mirza Sahib per lagae gay Ilzaam ki to bajae sirf choti choti tehrerron k ap ager woh pora mazmoon taqwa k sath parhein gay to Inshallah ap ko jawab mill jae ga Yehi tu masla hai! Dekhiye aap ne kitnay kamaal se aap hazrat Huzoor ke ihkaam ke mutabiq hi Mirza ko nabi maantay hain tu yaha woh uss farman-e-Rasool ka hawala bhi detay. Dalail aap detay nahi aur phir kehtay hain ke mein Quran-o-Hadith se baat kar raha hon. Usooli tour per aap ko chahiye tha ke aap yaha iss baat ke saath daleel ki tour per koi Qurani ayat ya hadith ka hawala detay lekin aap ne nahi diya aur jawab mein aap hum se Qurani Ayat ka aur ahadith ka hawala maangtay hain. Ye kaha ki mantaq hai? Hum Mirza ki kitabo se hawala paish karein tu woh buhtaan aur aap bawlay najdiyo ki ibaratein paish karein tu woh daleel! Jis Ludhyanwi aur Moudoodi ko aap rootay hain hum un ke aqaid ko bhi batil hi kehtay hain tu ye daleel tu na howi. Ye tu wohi baat hogi aik jhootay ki baat ko sabit karne ke liye doosray jhootay ko gawah banaya jaa raha hai. Rahi baat chooti chooti tehreero aur pooray mazmoon ki tu janab thori dair ke liye maan bhi liya jaye ke hum siyaq-o-sabaq se hatt kar sirf kuch sutoor ko le kar ilzaam laga rahein hain tu aap aur poori Mirzaiyat kya channay baich rahi hai? Aap kyu siyaq-o-sabaaq paish kar ke asliyat samnay laa kar humein ghalat sabit karne se qaasir hain? Maslan kashf walay mamlay ko hi le lijiye. Mein ne uss topic mein aik nahi taqreeban 4-5 pages scan kar ke dikha diye. Aap ne sirf ye keh kar jaan chura li ke ye tu kashf tha. Agay kashf ki tareef paish karne mein aap ko mout aarahi hai. Uss topic mein aa kar baat tu kijiye mere paish'karda hawalo per! Mirza keh raha hai mien ne kashf dekha ke mein Khuda hon aur agay keh raha hai ke mein ne yaqeen kya ke wohi hon! Baat ab sirf kashf tak tu mehdood na rahi janab. Janab zara bataein gay k kahan mein ne apk sawal ka jawab nhi dya Janab yeh to mujy Yaqeen hai keh apki nazar kamzoor nhi laiken yeh mein yaqeen se keh skta hon ke apki Aqal ki nazar per zuroor tallay lagay howe hain. Mein yahan Quran ki Ayaat se kuch post krta hon jiska jawab ap loog Quran se denne ki bajae Mirza Sahib ki Tehriroon ko kaat kr dete hain 1. Kashf ki tareef aap se abhi tak matloob hai. 2. Qurani-o-Hadith se agar dalail paish kiye jaye tu aap ke nazdeek kaun si tafasir ya shurohaat mu'tabirr hain? 3. Aap hi ki paish'karda mantak ko istimaal kartay howay aik sawal aap se 2 baar pooch chuka uss ka bhi jawab matloob hai. Aur aap jo ye roona roo rahay hain ke aap ne Qurani ayat post ki tu janab zara bata bhi dijiye ke iss topic mein kis post per aap ne kaun si Qurani ayat ka hawala diya? Aap ki pehli post mein Khazain ka hawala hai, ye kya Mirzaiyoo ka Quran hai? Phir agay chal kar aap Ludhyanwi ke aqwaal paish karne ke mood mein lagay ... Ludhyanwi ka kalaam aap ke nazdeek Quran hai? Janab mera yahan kehne se matlab bahut Wazeh hai keh Khuda se Rujoo karo Duaeen karo woh Ap zurrur rehnumai kare ga mere bhai sirf Ulma ki bateen sun kr chup na ho Jao wo Khuda sab ka Khuda hai awr sab ki suntta Mirza Sahib kya her sachay Nabi ne yahi dawa kya hai keh Mujy Khuda ne apna Nabi banaya hai mere bhai ap tehqiq karo awr us k liye Hadees e Rasool hai Quran e Karim hai Mein ne abhi tak ulema ki aqwaal tu paish hi nahi kiye. Mei ne tu Mirzaiyo ki official website se aap ko Khazain ke kuch scans dikhaye hain bus. Rahi baat sachay nabi ke dawa ke baray mein tu her sachay Nabi mein Anbiya wali shaan pe pai gai. Mirza tu sari zindagi Allah ke azaab ka mazhar bana raha. Zindagi bhar beemar aur aakhir mein haizay se mout! Mirza jis ka "meelan kanjariyo se tha" Mirza jis ki 3 naaniya aur 3 dadiya fahisha aur kasbi auratein thi" Ye Nabi ki shaan hai ya Kazzab ki ghalazat? Ye tamaam batein aapke Mirza ki kitabo mein moujod. Agar ab bhi aap yehi kehna chahtay hain ke hum ne maani mein tehreef ki tu baray-e-mehrbaani aap hi inn ki sahih tashreeh kar ke humein asal maani bataliye. Janab jahan tak ap k es dawae ki baat hai assi misaal se mashallah apk Zehn o Kirdar ki Khabasat ka Khoob andaza hota hai Kahan Khuda ki Atta ki howe Nubwwat ka Dawa awr Kahan kisi k Najaiz baap hone ka dawa essi baat karte howe sharam nhi aati apko mujy apk dawae se koe saro kaar nhi ager Himat hai to yeh Dawa karO KHUDA KA NAAM LAY KAR KEH KHUDA ES BAAT KA GAWAH HAI KEH MEIN AAMIR MALIK KAA BAAP HON Dosri baat yeh keh mein Qadyani nhi hon mein Ahmadi hon Qadyaan mein rehne walay Qadyani kehlate hain Nauzobillah min zalik es trah k ghtya buhtan o elzmaaat Mujhay achi tarah maloom hai ke aap apni bharpoor Mirzaiyat samait ultay latak jaye gay lekin iss ka jawab nahi dein gay. Meri yaha muraad aap per keechar uchalana nahi aur ye baat mein apni pehli post mein bhi keh chuka ke "dil per mat lijiye ga kyu ke maqsad baat ko samjhana hai na ke tazleel!" Mujhay aap batlaiye tu sahi ke meri baat mein ghalat kya hai. Mein yaha nabuwatt ki tu baat hi nahi kar raha hai. Mera sawal Mirza ki nabuwatt se mutalliq nahi balkay Mirza ki nabuwwat ko sacha sabit karne ke liye jis mantaq ko aap daleel bana raha hain uss mantaq se mutalliaq hai. Aap hi na kaha na ke Mirza ne nabuwat ka dawa kyu tu Mirza ko choro Khuda se poocho, tu issi mantak ke mutabiq agar aap ki walida ke baray mein iss tarah dawa agar mein karo tu aap mujh se kyu jhagartay hain, apni walida se kyu nahi poochtay? Ye mantaq aap hi ne paish ki hai na na janab, tu ab iss se faraar kyu? Hazrat mein ne ye dawa kya hi kab ke mein aap ka baap hon, mein ne tu yaha tak likh dya ke Allah mujhay iss gunah-e-azeem se bachaye! Yaha mouzo daway ko sabit karne ki daleel hai naa ke dawa! Aur agar aap ki ghairat itna hi josh maar rahi hai tu mei Allah ki qasam khaa kar kehta hon ke Huzoor Allah ke aakhiri Nabi hain aur Mirza Allah ka Nabi nahi balkay aik kazzab tha. Ye dawa aap ke baap bannay se kahi zyada bara! Mein Mirza ke naam ke saath Ahmed jaisa mubarak naam lena pasand nahi karta aap ki tu phir baat hi rehnay dein! Aap khud ko meri bala se jo chahay keh lein.. Ahmedi, Qadiyani, Mirzai, Ahmedi Lahori ya kuch bhi meri sehat per kya farq parta hai. Rahi baat Qadiyan mein rehnay walay Qadiyani kehlatay hain tu kya hindustan mein rehnay walay sab Hindu kehlwaye gay? apka kasoor nhi hai jis ghar mein bachay ki jis trah tarbiat ki jati hai woh barra ho kr ussi trah ka banta hai mein janta hon keh meri bateen apko mirchi lageen gi agar Quran o Hadees se jawab nhi hai to janab ghar beth jao yah us mehfil mein jao jo apk munh se zahir ho rahi hai yahan to Quran o Hadees k mutabiq kisi ki Nabuwwat ki ho rahi hai es mein Ikhtlaaf e Raee Common c baat hai lekin hum loog Quran e kareem se sachai ko dekh skte hain lekin ap yahan ess trah ki gandi bateen kr k apne apko jo sabit krna chahte hain woh Khoob kr chuke Nahi janab aap ki baatein buri nahi lagti. Mein tu pehlay hi keh chuka ke Khuda jab imaan leta hain tu aqlien bhi cheen leta hain. Jin ka man'gharat Nabi ghalazat ki mout mara hon, jis ka nasb fahisha auratoo se chala araha hon woh doosro ko ghaleez kahay tu mirchi nahi lagti, hansi aati hai! Rahi baat Quran-o-Hadith ki tu iss poora topic mein kaun si Qurani ayat ya hadith quote kar di aap ne? Umeed karta hon iss baar aap ko mere sawal wazeh tour per nazar aa rahien hongay. Inn ka jawab agli mein zaroor dijiye ga warna phir agar aap ne issi tarah taweelat ka roona rona hai tu batlya dijiye takay mein mazeed aap per waqt barbaad na karo. Edited 12 اپریل 2008 by Sybarite اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubaid-e-Raza مراسلہ: 12 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 12 اپریل 2008 lagta hai aub.. qadyani k rah e farari k din aa chuke hain.. jab quran o hadees se jawab aarahe hain topics main tu ab kuch or hi bayan kar rahe hain. اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 13 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 13 اپریل 2008 Aamir Malik Qadiyani ne aik mantak ye bhi paish ki ke Nabuwwat ka jhoota dawa karne walo ka naam mitt jata hai unn ki jamat baqi nahi rehti aur issi ko daleel bana kar ke ye Mirzaiyat ki khookli imaarat khari karne ki koshish kai baar kar chukay. Inn ki ajeeb-o-ghareeb mantak ko samnay rakhtay howay kuch sawaalat zehn mein aye tu soocha pooch hi loon. Sab se pehlay Aamir Malik ki statements; Quran e Karim mein Jhoote Mudyaan e Nabwuat ki saza yeh hai keh unko traqi nhi milti awr woh Halak kar diye jate hain. Jamaat Ahamdiyya ki tarqi unki sachai ki roshan daleel hai. ager es baat se inkar krte ho to kisi aik jhoote nabi ki jamaat dikha do jis ko Allah tallah ne etni tarqi di ho 5 lac per hour k hisaab se aj hai koi Musalyma ka naam lene walla hai kahein per un donoon Lantyoon ki Jamat Mirza Sahib kya her sachay Nabi ne yahi dawa kya hai keh Mujy Khuda ne apna Nabi banaya hai Aap ki in tamaam batoo ke aap se simple se kuch sawalaat kar raha hon, umeed hai ke jawab jald aye ga. 1. Bahais ke baray mein Qadianiyo ka kya khayal hai? 2. Maitreya ke baray mein Qadianiyo ka kya khayal hai? اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2008 mere bhai Bahaiat ki tottaly Islam k against hai unki taleem bhi unki kitab KITAB E AQDAS bhi awr unk kisi bani ne Nubwwat ka dawa nhi kya balkeh Khudai ka dawa kya hai @ Ubaid Raza janab mein Ahmadi hon awr Allah k fazl se hergiz nhi bhagoon ga mein ne abhi tk Anti Meterial nhi uthaya q keh es se kuch hasil nhi hota awr jahan tak quran o hadees se jawab ki baat hai sirf Khalil Rana Sahib ki aik post aae hai konsa aana shiroo howe hain jo ap keh rahay hian keh mein bhaag jaunga.... uska jawab bhi Allah k fazl se mein tyar kr chuka hon jald post kr dunga اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybarite مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2008 Report Share مراسلہ: 14 اپریل 2008 (ترمیم شدہ) mere bhai Bahaiat ki tottaly Islam k against hai unki taleem bhi unki kitab KITAB E AQDAS bhi awr unk kisi bani ne Nubwwat ka dawa nhi kya balkeh Khudai ka dawa kya hai Aik sunehra qoul hai jo buzurg aksar kaha kartay hain ke jis cheez ke baray mein ilm na ho uss ke per apni zaban band rakhni chahiye. Lekin zahir jaha Mirza aap ke Nabi hone ke bawajood khud deeni-o-dunyawi uloom se ghafil rahay waha aap ko ba'haisiyatt ummati kaha aisi batein samajh aye gi. Aap se pehlay bhi guzarish ki thi apni zaban per thora sa qaabo rakhein aur mujhay "Bhai" keh kar gaaliya na dein. Mere liye kisi Qadiani, Wahabi, Najdi, Shia ka bhai hona azeem'tareen gaaliyo mein se hai. Ye aakhiri warning hai, agli baar mujh se na kahiye ga ke mera lehja kyu talkh ho gaya. Aap ne aik typical kunway ke maindak ki tarah dawa tu kar diya ke "Baha'is" ke bani ne nabuwwat ka dawa nahi balkay Khudai ka dawa kiya tha, lekin iss per koi choota moota hawala denay ki aap ko toufiq nahi howi. Zaahir hai hawala kaha se dein gay! Jo apnay Qadiani ke munh se suna usay Khudai kalam ki tarah sach samajh kar aagay quote kar dya. Chaliye thora aap ki maloomat mein izafa karta chalo. Baha'is ki official website ko open kar ke "Information Directory" mein sab se pehlay section mein chalay jaiye, named as "Baha'u'llah". Apni jamat ke bani ke introduction ke tour per jo pehli line likhi hai woh kuch iss tarah hai. "Bahá'ís believe that Bahá’u’lláh is the Messenger of God for this day." Mere khayal mein aap ki hawa hawai bakwaas ke radd mein Baha'i firqay ki official website se sirf yehi statement kaafi hai. Lekin aap beher'haal Qadiani hain! Seedhi sachi baat aap ko itni asaani samajh mein aajaye tu phir aap Qadiani kaisay. Iss liye issi website se aik aur hawala bhi diye deta hon. Issi page per neechay The Life of Baha'u'llah ke naam se aik alehda articles hai jo ke kuch iss tarah se hai; "Throughout history, God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers, each of whom has founded a great religion. The Messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad. The latest of these Messengers is Bahá’u’lláh, who brings new spiritual and social teachings for our modern age." So ab ya tu aap koi mustanadd hawala dein jis aap ki statement sabit hoti ho ya phir maan lijiye ke iss maslay per maloomat na honay ke ba'wajood aap ne Qadiani fitrat ke mutabiq man'gharat kahani suna kar khud ko sacha sabit karna chaha! Khair Qadianiyat mein Ilm ke ratio ka mujhay ba'khoobi andaza hai so ab aatay hain asal baat ki taraf. Mein ne aap se last post mein 2 sawal poochay thay aur uss se pichli post mein 3 sawal aur. Lekin aap ne khalisatan Qadianiyoo ki khaslat ka muzahira kartay howa sirf 1 ka jawab diya woh bhi jhoota aur baqi jawabat gool kar gaye. Jhootay Nabi ke sachay ummati se siwaye jhoot ke aur umeed bhi kya ki jaa sakti hai. Last post mein jo 2 sawalaat poochay thay un ka maqsad aap ki paish'karda Mirzai mantak ka post mortem karna tha jo ab kaafi achi tarah se hoga. Aap ke shayad ilm mein na ho ke jis zamanay mein Mirza jhootay Nabi banay aap jaisay zaeef-ul-imaan logo ko apna ummati bananay mein masroof thay ussi zamanay mein woh akelay nahi thay jinho ne Nabuwwat ka dawa kiya tha. Mirza ki zindagi ka dooraniya tha 1835-1908 tak. Aur Mirza ka hi zamanay mein doosra jhoota nabuwwat ka daway'daar tha Baha'i firqay ka bani Mirza Hussain Ali Nuri jis ki zindagi ka dooraniya tha 1817-1892 tak. So jis zamanay mein Mirza Nabi bana betha tha ussi zamanay mein ye Mirza Hussain Ali Nuri bhi Nabi bana betha tha. Mirza agar sacha hota tu iss jhootay Nabi ko jhoota sabit karta ya jaisa ke dunya bhar ko Mirza duaien kar ke marwanay ki koshishein kartay kartay khud jahanum'wasil howa ussi tarah iss jhootay Nabi ke liye bhi dua karta. Lekin aisa kuch kam'az'kam meri knowledge mein nahi. Aap ne ye bhi bakwaas ki thi ke Nabuwwat ke jhootay daway'daar ki saza Quran mein mojoud hai lekin aap ne kisi Qurani ayat ka hawala nahi diya. Khair qissa mukhtasir, mera ab aap se sawal ye hai ke aap ke nazdeek yaqeenan Baha'u'llah nabuwwat ka jhoota daway'daar tha, tu phir isay kaun si saza mili? Mirza mara 73 years ki umer mein jab ke Mirza Hussain mara 75 saal ki umer mein! Aap ke Nabi se 2 saal zyada zinda raha aur iss ki jamaat aaj bhi dunya bhar mein mojoud hai. Aap apni 2 takkay ki Mirzaiyat ki sachai ko sabit karne ke liye jo mantak paish kartay rahay hain ke "kaun sa jhoota nabi hai jis ki jamat aaj mojoud hai?" tu yaha mein aap ke samnay aisay jhooti nabi ka ihwaal bata chuka jis ki jamat na'sirf aaj dunya bhar mein moujoud balkay jo aap ke Mirza se pehlay dunya mein aya aur Mirza se zyada lambi umer pai. Ab usooli tour per aap ko chahiye ke aap apni khabees mantak ko maantay howay Baha'u'llah ko bhi Nabi maan lijiye, ba'soorat-e-deegar aap ko aiteraaf karna paray ga ke Mirzaiyatt ki khookli bunyad ko khara karne ke liye aap ne jo mantak paish ki woh sirf aur sirf bakwaas per mabni hai. Aap per sawalaat ka udhaar barhta jaa raha hai Aamir Malik! Pichli posts ke 4 sawal aur ab ye... inn ka sab ka jawab mil jaye tabhi post kijiye ga warna loog hansay gay Mirzaiyatt per. Edited 14 اپریل 2008 by Sybarite اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aamir Malik مراسلہ: 15 اپریل 2008 Author Report Share مراسلہ: 15 اپریل 2008 (ترمیم شدہ) Aik sunehra qoul hai jo buzurg aksar kaha kartay hain ke jis cheez ke baray mein ilm na ho uss ke per apni zaban band rakhni chahiye. Lekin zahir hai jin k Diloon per Khuda ne Tallay laga diye hon awr ankhain andhi hon Ilm o Arfan k roshni se ari hon Khulam khula nabi e karim ki tohin krne mein maghrib k sathi hon unko meri post mein hawalay k taur per " KITAB E AQDAS" likha kahan nazar aae ga bhai mein sunnat e mustafa pe amal karte howe apko akhalqan keh raha tha na to koi humari nai shariat hai awr na koe nai kitab hum Muhamad e Mustafa k Ummati hain awr Quran e Karim ki SORAT JUMMA mein AKHRIEEN wali paishgoi k Musdaq ap ko ager ezat rass nhi aati to theek hai nhi kahonga waise bhi apne SHEHD wali misal to sunni ho gi Janab ne bhi Bhair chaal ka tareeq akhtyar krte howe to typical mullan ki trah na post parhi na samjhe awr aa gay apni mullaiat jharne net se data uthaya na parha na dekha copy paste kr dala keh Mullah na kaha hoga so sach hoga chahiye usse khud namaz ka turjuma tk na aata ho.... Official website pe q jate ho ahmedi org ap logon ne banae awr khulam khulla jhoot bolte howe site ko ahmadiyoon ki site qarar day daya bhala jo loog Khuda k aik Nabi ki takzeeb kr skte hain jo loog tamam jahnoon k liye rehmat ban kr aane walay ki shaan mein gustakhi krne k liye maghrib ko rah dikha skte hain unk nazdeek jhoot kya cheez hai tumhare liye mein ne nechay bahaiat awr babiat k bare mein kuch pages scan kr k dalay hein mulahiza kr lijiye ga waise bhi apne khoob mullaiat walla tareeqa akhtyar kya hai. humare ghar mein aik mulla construction ka kaam krwa raha hai mein ne usse jab tableeqh ki to us din khamosh raha awr dosre din khatam e nubwat walon k pass chala gya jab aaya to aate sath he Mirza Sahib pe aitrazaat ka palanda lay kr aaya mein ne usse lakh koshish ki keh Quran o Hadees pe baat kro Mirza Sahib ka sach jhoot bhi esi se sabit ho jae ga ap zara ghaur to kr lien to kehne laga mujy Mannah kya gya hai keh Quran o Hadees pe Ahmadiyoon se baat nhi krni To janab ne bhi wohi tareeq Akhtyar kr liya hai ......wah ray mulla teri chaaal mera aksar lahore aana jana laga rehta hai Lahore mein aik Ferozpur Road per JAMIA ASHRAFIA k naam se Madrsa hai raat k koe 3 ka time tha mujy kuch urgent docs mail krne they awr mera net nhi chal raha tha MUSLIM TOWN MORE k karib aik NET CAFE hai cozn k sath wahan gya unk pass 30 PC hain awr sab k sab FULL hairaan howa k etni raat gay etne sare loog cafe ka owner mere cozn ka dost tha usne batya keh andar ja kr daikh lo 90% Molvi sahiban jo ###### MOVIES daikh rahay thay un mein na sarf us Madarse k Students balkeh kuch teacher sahiban bhi they mujy yaqeen nhi aa raha tha lekin yaqeen us waqt aaya jb " DESKTOP SHARING" se un sab k kartoot dikhae yeh to hai ap loogon ka Asli Makruuh awr ghanwna chehra awr ap loog hain keh Quran e Karim ki baat tak nhi karte awr aitrazaat pe aitrazaat krte chalay jate hai Mirza Sahib ne TAWAFI pe jo challange dya howa 125 saal ho gay ap loog jawab nhi day ske awr aitrazaat to barh charh k karte hain aik challange meinne bhi likh dya hai KHALIL RANA SAHIB K LIYE wali post mein mulahiza kr lijiye ga awr jab tk uska jawab na la skeen tb tk apni ZUBAAN ko Lagam day kr rakhna Edited 15 اپریل 2008 by Aamir Malik اقتباس Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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