Kia in Mazaro'n aur Qabron ko Dha daina jaiz nahe?

[Commander_Faisal]

Salam to all muslims,

aap ka jawab main nay daikh liya tha laikin pehlay masrofiyat ki waja say jawab na day saka or phir kafi arsa net per bhi na baith saka,ab inshaALLAH 1 ya 2 dino main is ka jawab bhi paish ker diya jaye ga.

wsalam

[Commander_Faisal]

[Commander_Faisal]

[Commander_Faisal]

[Commander_Faisal]

[Commander_Faisal]

[Anwar200]

[Anwar200]

[F.Shahzad]

Najdi commander ………You havnt answer to my questions nor you have light of Eman to understand the answers of Rana Sahib.

Mazarat of Sahaba was demolish by Najdi rulers…………………Why for centuries not a single Aalim/Fuqha/Muhadiths has made objection against Mazars of Sahaba Karam?........Why none of them give Fatwa against them?.......Like ur Najdi guru “horn of devil”………you people only consider ur self Muslim and the one who has the understanding of Tauheed?

You havnt responded to my objections ….like “first go and demolish Saudi Palaces, Five star hotels, Kings Saud museums and burn all luxurious cars. Aur agar kuch ghairat hai tu apnay tamam Madarasso / markazoo /maktaboon ko bhee jala dhoo”………your response is quite foolish that you don’t have the power to do so……………..tell me have you ever raised objections on these? Have u conveyed it to ur Guru in Najd?

What about Ur Homes,Madrassas and Mosques? If you consider ur reasons worthy then no points in defending ur Madrassas and Mosques…........... take the first initiative and start demolishing them!!!!!!!!!

[F.Shahzad]

Why are u getting hurt with "Zaleel o Khabees".......Check ur guru Ismail Dehlvi kufriya Kitab"Taqwiatul Imaan".

 

Tumhara bhee dil kehta hai na kai tum Zaleel nahi tu phir uss kee is ibarat per Kufr ka fatwa tu lagio.....nahi tu apni signature mai add kerlo

[Anwar200]

[Anwar200]

is link ko dobara paste kar raha hon ta ke aasani se click kr ke visit ho aur wahabiyat ka doghla pan dekha ja skay

ke kis tarah se yeh kfar se mil kr islam main fitna krte hain,sab is ko zaroor dekh lain.

http://www.yanabi.com/mediadb/player.cfm?file_id=5560

[Khalil Rana]

[سگِ عطار]

[Anwar200]

[Ya Mohammadah]

THE PERMISSIBILITY OF ERECTING A MAUSOLEUM (MAZAAR)

Some people say that it is Haraam to build a Mazaar (Shrine, Tomb, Mausoleum) of a Saint. They have always labelled those who construct or visit the Mazaaars as Mushriks (Idol Worshippers) and non-believers. They label those who erect Mausoleums for the Saints as "Qabar Pujaris" or "Grave-worshippers" and call them misled.

 

It must first be understood that there are two types of Muslims:-

 

1. Ordinary Muslims (Muslims Layman): The erection of a Mausoleum for an ordinary Muslim is forbidden since it is of no benefit.

2. Special Muslims (Saint, Pious, Martyrs and Ulema): The erection of a Mausoleum for special individuals, i.e. pious men, Saints, Martyrs and the Ulema (learned Scholars of Islam) is permissible.

 

The reason for building a Mazaar is to make the status of the Saint apparent or distinct to mankind, for respect towards such great people is actually respect for Islam. It is built also for the convenience of the people and the followers of the Saint.

 

Allah Taala says in the Holy Quran: "Some said 'construct a building over them'. Their Lord knows best about them. Those who prevailed over their affairs said "Let us surely build a place of worship over them." (Surah Kahf: 18) In accordance with the commentators of this verse of the Quran, Imam Bayzawi (radi Allahu anhu) says: "From this it is understood that to erect a Mausoleum for the special people, i.e. Pious Saints and Ulema, is permissible".

 

Imam Fakhrud'deen Razi (alaihir rahmah) writes: "The leaders of the city said that we will build a Mosque over them so that we will worship Allah Ta'ala and by the means of this Mosque the monument of As'haab Khaaf will remain." (Tafseer Kabeer)

 

In "Tafseer Roohul Bayaan", Vol. 3, according to the verse: "To build over the graves of the Ulema, Awliya and the Saliheen is a permissible act with this condition that the motive is that the greatness of these pious people must be made apparent so that the people don't think that it is an ordinary grave."

 

Concerning the erection of a Mausoleum, it is also recorded in "Mirqaat Shara Mishqaat": "The previous scholars said that it is permissible to erect Mausoleums for the graves of the pious, Saints, Ulema, etc. so that people visit their Mausoleums and sit therein conveniently."

 

It is also written in "Fatawa Shaami", Vol. 1: "If the deceased is from amongst the Masha'aikh (Great Predecessors), Ulema (Learned Muslims Scholars) and Sayeds (descendants of the Holy Prophet) then to erect upon their graves is not undesirable."

 

Sheikh Abdul Haq Muhaddith Dhelwi (alaihir rahmah) said that to build tombs is a praiseworthy act, hence in "Shara Safarus Sa'ada" he says: "In the previous generations, the ordinary people used to only pay attention on the apparent structure of the buildings (Tombs). To build over the graves of pious men and Saints, and in continuing it, it is known to be good. So according to this, few additions have been made so that the Muslims and the Saints status were made apparent especially in India (non-Muslim countries). This has been continually done because in India there are a lot of anti-Muslims. Because of the respected status of the pious and Saints, the Hindus and non-Muslims tend to follow them. The excess of these action and these paths (ways) which were undesirable in the previous generation are now declared praiseworthy." Sheikh Abdul Haq Muhaddith Dhelwi (alaihir rahmah) is an accepted Scholar both by the Arabs and non-Arabs. He first brought and spread I'lme Hadith (the Knowledge of Ahadith Shareef) in the Indo-Pak sub-continent.

 

Those who object to the erecting of Mausoleums say that it is not permissible to build on the grave, thus to erect a Mazaar is not permissible. The correct meaning in this context is to build on TOP of the grave after it has been flattened. The Ahle Sunnat Wal Jama?at believes that to build on top of a grave is not allowed, but to build around the grave is permissible. Therefore, we build Mazaars around the grave of the Awliya and not on top of grave.

 

Those objecting to the Mazaars say that Muslims visit these places in order to prostrate to graves. It is not a common practise for Muslims to prostrate or bow before graves. Neither do Muslims make Tawaaf (Circumbulate) of the graves. As a matter of fact, some Muslims even behave un-Islamically in the Mosques. Does this mean that Mosques should also not be built?

 

Numerous other countries throughout the world also have tombs of Saints, Martyrs, and Ulema with Mausoleums erected over them. These Mausoleums date back to the early days of Islam. Does it now mean that all these Mazaars will have to be razed to the ground? Were those who erected these Mausoleums not Muslims? It should be pointed out that the Muslims of that era were even more pious than the Muslims of today. Furthermore, and equally important is that they were also more well-versed in the laws of Islamic Jurisprudence.

 

It has been stated in the Ahadith: "Think good about Muslims." To those persons who directly or indirectly object to the building of Mausoleums realise that they are contradicting the above Ahadith by thinking ill of those learned Muslim scholars who were responsible for the erection of Mausoleums in every period of history! It is sad that the Najdi and Wahabi Ulema were responsible for bulldozing the tombs of numerous Sahaba, Ahle-Bait, Martyrs, Saints and religious scholars.The Righteous Ulema of India, Pakistan, Mauritius, Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Hijaz Shareef, Iraq and many others have all unanimously said and proven from the Shari?ah (Islamic Law) that the erecting of Mausoleums of the Awliya-Allah and Ulema is absolutely permissible.

 

[Commander_Faisal]

 

 

[Anwar200]

meray sawalat ka kab jawab do gay aur kohi sawal faramosh na karna 2,2 mah bad post karte ho kiya is debate mein maza ha.deen ka kaam pehlay kro dunyawi kaam to hotay rahtay hain.aur mein ne tamam wahabyat ko challange kiya howa ha jis mein mein ne wahabiyon ko assa nanga kiya ha ke kisi ko shaq bi na baqi rahay ke wahabyat ko free mason aur kufar ne banaya ho ha ager ho skay to anpay kisi nami grami wahabi se jwab lay kar ana go ke wo bi bebas hi ho ga.

wahabi kharabi ke anwan se ha per lo aur ager apny deen wahabyat ko haq sabat kar sktay ho to maidan mein aa jawo ya apny kisi leader ko lay awo.dekhta hon ke kitni ghairat ha ap logon mein ke apny mazhab ki nang ko satarposhi kar sko.

muzo nahi badal raha ke tum ko yehi shikwa hota ha.tum mayray sawalon ka jawab is per na day pay jo muzo ko badalnay ki koshish kron.

bas itlah dani the ke apny mazhab ki satarposhi kar skatay ho to dair na kro.

[Khalil Rana]

[karambandanawazka]

oo bhai aap ko koi galat fehmi hai aur aap k paas bahut kam ilm nazar aata hai kyun k tariq utha kar deko uszamane may log apne qabar ko andar se pakki karte the us bud parasti k zamane mai andar se is tarah pakki k usmay inth aur patthar charo taraf laga kar bich may laash rakhte the aur jahan tak imarat banae ka sawaal hai shayad wo uske upar hai na ki uske aatraaf ..samjhe bewakuf

[Anwar200]

[Commander_Faisal]

Salam to all muslims,

aakhir kar rana sahib nay jawab daynay ki himmat ker hi li.buhat aachi baat hay.anwar sahib aap nay kaha kay main 2, 2 maheenay bad post kerta hoon.janab! phir gor ker lain aap kahin mubalga aarayi to nahi ker rahay.aabhi to is thread ko shuru howay 3 mah bhi nahi howay or main is doran muta`addad posts ker chuka hoon.meray intizaar krana aap logon say bardasht nahi ho raha jab main nay nooremadinah walay forum main taqreeban 1 mah intizaar kiya tha us kay baray main aap kiya kahain gay wahan to kisi nay yeah bhi nahi kaha tha kay jawab ka intizaar karain laikin main nay istrah propgenda nahi kiya tha kay aap log frar ho gay hain,or anwar sahib aap bay tuki batain ker kay yeah samjtay hain kay aap nay buhat bara morcha sar ker liya hay? jab aap nay daykha kay aap log is mozo per kamzor per rahay hain to tawazun braber kernay kay liye mukhtalif qisay kahaniyan lay ker baith gaey kay flan wahabi yoon kerta hay or falan yoon kerta hay.janab! farz kiya aap nay yeah jo bhi ilzamat lagay

hain yeah durast bhi hoon to kiya aik fard kay aamal say aap tmam ahlehadees awam ko badnam ker na chatay hain,is trah to ham bhi kisi barailwi ka koi waqaya lain ayen kay ji brailwi to aisay hotay hain.mujhay nahi maloom aap nay yeah jo kuch bhi kaha hay durast hay ya galat laikin aap mujhay yeah batayin kay kiya main nay shah fahad ka hasab dayna hay? har sakhs apnay apnay aamal ka jawab day hay.aager shah fahad nay aisa kuch kiya hay to wo ALLAH kay han jawab day hay. hamain aapny grabano main jhanknay ki zaroorat hay kay ham kiya ker rahay hain.main nay aap say kaha tha kay koi aik masaal biyan karain kay main girgit ki trah rang badalta hoon jawab main aap nay kaha kay kam say kam 4 martaba main nay girgit ki trah rang badla hay. chalain aap 4 martba bata dain kay main nay pehlay yeah kaha phir us kay ult yeah kaha.aager ab bhi aap jawab na day sakay to aisay ilzamaat bhi na lagayay ga! inshaALLAH main apni agli post main bataoin ga kay girgit ki trah rang badalna kisay kehtay hain.

fshazad sahib say bhi aik choti si guzarish ki thi kay sabit karain kay main nay koi gustakhi ki hay(jazbat kay sath nahi dalail kay sath) laikin yeah sahib bhi sabit kernay say kasir hain.janab! aager sabit nahi ker saktay to ilzamaat bhi na lagaya karo.Samjhay!

meray papers khatam ho jaen to phir inshaALLAH tafseeli post karoon ga.filhaal itna hi.

wsalam

[Anwar200]

[Anwar200]

[Anwar200]