Wahabi Deobandi Ebarat Or Un Ka Difa Mean Deobandi Wazahat

[Khalil Rana]

جناب حق نوسوانتالیس صاحب ! آپ ایسا کریں کہ کتاب غایۃ المامول فی تتمہ منہج الوصول فی تحقیق علم رسول ،مطبوعہ انجمن ارشادالمسلمین، لاہور کے صفحہ ۲۹۶ تا ۳۰۱ کے سکین یہاں تھریڈ میں لگادیں، قارئین کو خود بخود پتا چل جاءے گا کہ اس مطلب سے علوم خمسہ والی بحث مراد ہے یا نہیں۔

[Haq3909]

janb aap nay Humean tow apni kisi book ka  Safha parha dia ab zaro Aknhen khol in safhat ko bi parh lean ? Umeed ha Afaqa ho ga ?

 

 

Salam,

 

AAP nay jis kitaab ka hawala diya hay , pehlay us kay musanif ki khabar lay lay 

 

 

Aur akhri page pay meray sawal hay !

 

Wasallam.

[Kilk-e-Raza]

Salam,

 

Jaha tak Shah Ismail Dehlvi ka taluq hay to yay parhay:

 

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AB batao Malfoozat ki baat jooti hay ya Tamheed Iman kee?

 

Wasallam.

 

Aap ko lazoom e kufr or iltizam e kufr ka ilm nhi hay. Is bare malomat hasil kero phir pata chale ga ke ismail dehlavi ko alahazrat (alehrahma) ne kafir kyon nhi kaha.

 

Ismail dehlavi ki tauba mashhor thi.. daleel  ke lye apne fatawa rashdiya ko utha kr dekh lo. us main gangohi ne tauba ka inkar kya hay.. ab ismail dehlavi ne tauba ki thi ya nhi. ye aik alag suwal hay mager fatawa rashidya wali ibarat se pata chalta hay ke tauba mashhor zaror thi.

 

is waja se ulema ne ahtyaat ki.. ager ismail dehlavi zinda hota or iltazam ho jata tu phir us per bhi fatwa lagta.. Saeedi sahib ne yahi bat samjhane ki koshish ki hay.. janab ki aqal man nhi bethi. us ki ibaraat ke kufr main koi shak nhi.. fatwa se sirf iltazaam e kufr na hone ki waja se na laga. ulema ne ahtayat ki. nechay link de raha hon. zaror perhye ga. sara jawab mojod hay or ager phir bhi samajh nhi aaye tu apne qareebi doctor se rabta fermain.

 

لزوم و التزام کفر اور مولوی اسماعیل دہلوی

http://www.islamieducation.com/wp-content/uploads/books/026-Luzoom-wa-Iltazam-e-Kufr-aur-Ismail-Dehlavi.pdf

 

 

Salam,

 

Is may Thanvi Sahab ka khidr comparison ho raha hay?Kya baaz Uloom Ghabiya auro kay paas bhi nahi hotay?

 

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Wasallam.

 

ye khali pages paste kerna choro or kuch samjhne ki koshish kero. jis terha baz uloom ghaibia auro ke pas hote hay tu normal ilm bhi tu auro ke pas hota hay. ab ager thanvi ki takhsees kr ke pagal, gadhe, ghore, kutte or tamam janwaron jese ilm ke sath milaya jaye or kaha jaye ke her kisi ko kisi na kisi bat ka ilm hota tu batao thanvi ki tohen hay ya nhi.. yes or no main jawab do pata chale ga.

 

or phir thanvi ka ilm tu kisi khate men bhi nhi, tum tu us hasti ki bat kr rahe ho jiska kalma pedhte ho. Post #74 men mazed tafsel mojod hay. qatee ilm e ghaib ke bare men.

Edited 4 اپریل 2014 by Kilk-e-Raza

[Khalil Rana]

 

[Qadri Sultani]

Mr.Haq3909 ap nay Asar Ibn e Abbas par jo page attach kiye han un ka jwab is link main parhiye.Sirf copy paste na karain kuch daikh b liya karain

 

http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/9218-asar-ibn-e-abbas-par-muhaddisana-nazar/

 

[Haq3909]

Aap ko lazoom e kufr or iltizam e kufr ka ilm nhi hay. Is bare malomat hasil kero phir pata chale ga ke ismail dehlavi ko alahazrat (alehrahma) ne kafir kyon nhi kaha.

 

Ismail dehlavi ki tauba mashhor thi.. daleel  ke lye apne fatawa rashdiya ko utha kr dekh lo. us main gangohi ne tauba ka inkar kya hay.. ab ismail dehlavi ne tauba ki thi ya nhi. ye aik alag suwal hay mager fatawa rashidya wali ibarat se pata chalta hay ke tauba mashhor zaror thi.

 

is waja se ulema ne ahtyaat ki.. ager ismail dehlavi zinda hota or iltazam ho jata tu phir us per bhi fatwa lagta.. Saeedi sahib ne yahi bat samjhane ki koshish ki hay.. janab ki aqal man nhi bethi. us ki ibaraat ke kufr main koi shak nhi.. fatwa se sirf iltazaam e kufr na hone ki waja se na laga. ulema ne ahtayat ki. nechay link de raha hon. zaror perhye ga. sara jawab mojod hay or ager phir bhi samajh nhi aaye tu apne qareebi doctor se rabta fermain.

 

لزوم و التزام کفر اور مولوی اسماعیل دہلوی

http://www.islamieducation.com/wp-content/uploads/books/026-Luzoom-wa-Iltazam-e-Kufr-aur-Ismail-Dehlavi.pdf

 

 

 

Salam,

 

Eik taraf aap log Maulana Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi ko Kafir , kazab aur gustaakh kethay ho aur doosri taraf unhi ki kitaab say tauba sabit kartay ho.Afsoos.Kya Molvi Ahmed Raza Khan nay unkay tauba ka zikr kiya?Nahi na.

Mera Asal sawal ka jawab abhi tak nahi diya.Mera sawal hay kay Malfoozat may aap kay Ala Hazrat nay unnhay kafir kehnay say kyon nahi roka aur khud kaha kay hum kahengay nahi?Auro ko rokna nahi aur khud kahengay nahi?Kyon?

 

Wasallam.

[Mughal...]

Salam,

 

AAP nay jis kitaab ka hawala diya hay , pehlay us kay musanif ki khabar lay lay 

 

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Aur akhri page pay meray sawal hay !

 

Wasallam.

 

 

jnb aap fazool mean baat lambi kaer rahen aap k pass un pages ka jawab tow tha ni aap nay apni tasarf musnif per etraz ker bhot bra teer mara ha ............................

Aap nay fazool mean pata ni kis molvi pages paste keay .............

 

Halnak us k shuru mean un ki jis Ebarat ka aap nay Khulsa nikala ha Us ko goor say parho us mean wo aap logo say hi sawal poch rahen hean ............ Unho nay aap say sawal pocha aap ny us ka khulasa nikal ker bahs shuru ker di bari gal jnb

 

 

 

 

 

jnb mean nay pahly hi kaha tha un pages ko parh layna mager lagta ha band ka deo aap ko rok raha ha

 

abi b aaap mean himat ha tow un ka point k sath jwb dean . musnif per Etraz ker k Apni baybasi na zahir karen .........

[Saeedi]

ALLAH

 

Edited 5 اپریل 2014 by Saeedi

[Haq3909]

jnb aap fazool mean baat lambi kaer rahen aap k pass un pages ka jawab tow tha ni aap nay apni tasarf musnif per etraz ker bhot bra teer mara ha ............................

Aap nay fazool mean pata ni kis molvi pages paste keay .............

 

Halnak us k shuru mean un ki jis Ebarat ka aap nay Khulsa nikala ha Us ko goor say parho us mean wo aap logo say hi sawal poch rahen hean ............ Unho nay aap say sawal pocha aap ny us ka khulasa nikal ker bahs shuru ker di bari gal jnb

 

 

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jnb mean nay pahly hi kaha tha un pages ko parh layna mager lagta ha band ka deo aap ko rok raha ha

 

abi b aaap mean himat ha tow un ka point k sath jwb dean . musnif per Etraz ker k Apni baybasi na zahir karen .........

Salam,

 

1.) Kya aap nay meri original post ka point to point jawab diya?

 

2.) Iss kitaab ka may jawab kya do?Woh to in tamam pages may Ulama e Deoband ka eik dosra ko kafir karar denay pay tolay huwa hay aur asal mazmoon ki baat hi nahi kar rahay. Agar yahi kaam karna hay , to iss tarha toh may 100 hawala la sakta hu.Dekhna hay phir?

 

3.) Musanif nay yay sawal kyon kiya? Us ka maqsad kya tha?Is ka jawab brackets may hay.AAP nay bohat hoshiyari say kaam liya hay.

 

Wasallam.

[MuhammedAli]

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Bura ronay say behtr heh chup ker jaho agar kuch nahin ata toh. Bas ho gaya uqabir ka difa aur tum nay Shaheedoon kee list meh naam abh darj kerwa leeya heh is leyeh khamoshi behtr heh. Agar kuch ata heh toh moteram Saeedi aur moteram Khalil Rana Sahib kee posts ka jawab doh. Warna chup ker jaho, tumaray say ziyada paray likhay aur qabil banday yahan per apni mitti paleed kerwa ker baag chukay hen. Abh hamara tumaray rad meh kuch likhna esa heh jesay murday aur zinda meh larahi ho aur ham murdeh ko latenh maren, utho laro laro ... Abh muj sharmingi aur tars a raha heh tumari lachari dekh ker. Babu baroon kee bat maan loh aur chup ho jaho. Tumaray bass kee baat nahin, izzat kee khamoshi ya zillat kee chavlen, agay tumari marzi heh.

Edited 5 اپریل 2014 by MuhammedAli

[Haq3909]

Bura ronay say behtr heh chup ker jaho agar kuch nahin ata toh. Bas ho gaya uqabir ka difa aur tum nay Shaheedoon kee list meh naam abh darj kerwa leeya heh is leyeh khamoshi behtr heh. Agar kuch ata heh toh moteram Saeedi aur moteram Khalil Rana Sahib kee posts ka jawab doh. Warna chup ker jaho, tumaray say ziyada paray likhay aur qabil banday yahan per apni mitti paleed kerwa ker baag chukay hen. Abh hamara tumaray rad meh kuch likhna esa heh jesay murday aur zinda meh larahi ho aur ham murdeh ko latenh maren, utho laro laro ... Abh muj sharmingi aur tars a raha heh tumari lachari dekh ker. Babu baroon kee bat maan loh aur chup ho jaho. Tumaray bass kee baat nahin, izzat kee khamoshi ya zillat kee chavlen, agay tumari marzi heh.

Salam,

 

AAP to chup hi kar jao. Sunniforum pay RadiatingAli ban kay aye thay aur Abu Hajira kay hatho zaleel hona parha.May Jawab is liyay nahi day sakta kyon kay yaha saray urdu walay hay aur na may mushkil urdu samjh sakta ho aur na likh sakta hu.Kash kay yay log English may jawab detay.Aur aap say to may nay bohat say sawal kiyay thay jis ka eik jawab bhi abhi tak nahi mila?

 

Wasallam.

[MuhammedAli]

Salam,

 

AAP to chup hi kar jao. Sunniforum pay RadiatingAli ban kay aye thay aur Abu Hajira kay hatho zaleel hona parha.May Jawab is liyay nahi day sakta kyon kay yaha saray urdu walay hay aur na may mushkil urdu samjh sakta ho aur na likh sakta hu.Kash kay yay log English may jawab detay.Aur aap say to may nay bohat say sawal kiyay thay jis ka eik jawab bhi abhi tak nahi mila?

 

Wasallam.

 

Abu Hajira Sahib nay ban kis ko keeya thah jab bardasht nah ho sakka toh ban ker deeya. Thanvi kay mureed ka kalma pernay per jab lachar huwa toh ban ker deeya. Meray pass abhi be Abu Hajirah ko jawab Tazhir Un Naas ka likha thah mojood heh aur 34 pages thah magar ban ho janay kee waja say paste nah ker sakka aur doh dahee maheenay pehlay mera harddrive kharab ho janay kee waja say sab kuch waste ho gaya, jis ka zikr is thread ki post 2 kay aakhir meh keeya thah:

 

http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/21844-hazrat-ameer-mawaiya-radi-allahu-tala-anhu-cursed-ali-radi-allahu-tala-anhu/

Joh meh nay Tahzir Un Naas say pesh keeya thah us ka toh woh jawab nah deh sakka. Balkay ibaraat par baat nah bani aur toh baat ka rukh dosri taraf pher deeya kay Ala Hazrat nay qat chat kee heh jis ka jawab meh likh raha thah ... magar Ahlalhdeeth.org forum per mera material jis meh Deobandiyoon ko neo-Qadiyani likha thah parh ker inoon nay mujjay banned ker deeya:

 

 

Br. RadiatingAli could not hold back from his disrespect and ended up equating Deobandi with Qadianis. His exact wordings were "Deobandis who support Qasim Nanotavis Tazir Un Naas are Qasmi Deobandi's, and they are the closest to QADIYANI'S in aqeedah of KHATAM UN NABIYEEN." On his own forum he has had described Deobandis as "You probally arnt aware Deobandi's are Neo-Qadiyani, Semi-Qadiyani in their aqeedah, and this was one of the reason why I left them and became Sunni Barelwi." in the past. While whatever he says on his forum, is not our business, we do take into account of how he acts and reacts on this forum. One of our reputable mod took action and banned him.

 

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67509-Some-issues-with-Husaam-al-haramayn-and-Original-Texts-of-Deobandi-Kutubs/page12

 

Link par post #117 dekh lenh. Then when he and your companions had no response on Thanvi's Kalmah they made excuse o he abuse mother and sister of so and so there three month ban on him. In reality the statement was something like this; if a deobandi engages in zina or some deobandi's mother or sister is caught committing zina will you make excuse o she was out of control and she had no control over the body. Would this be valid excuse like you are making excuse for the Kufr of Thanvi and his mureed. For establishing a point to refute a kufr, they banned me. Thanvi walay point par akhar meh yahi hona thah joh is thread meh aap kay Deobandi ka faisla tha:

 

http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/8687-mureed-ka-thanvi-sahab-ka-kalma-aur-darood-parhna/page-3

 

Abu Hajira say Thanvi kay Kalmay per jaho taweel leh aho meh jawab likhoon ga. Link uper heh ussay doh aur kaho jawab deh. Tummeh pata lag jahay ga kay chawal bandoon nay mujjay banned keun keeya thah. Bicharay maulvi ko pata lag gaya thah kay agay kia honay wala heh is leyeh safety first, banned. I know maulvi's very well, you sing their praises I know what maulvi's are like especially deobandi and Wahhab ones. Your policy is damage control, even if you have to lie. I had invited abu Hajira on Ahlalhdeeth.org to complete the debate with me. If I remember correctly i think i posted the response on ahlalhdeeth.prg and sent link to Maulvi Abu Hajira and I have not recieved response yet. They were glad for banning me cause they had no choice other than that Anwar Shah kashmiri's scanned pages were enough to shock the system. Asaan tareekay say jaan churwanay ka tareeka thah kay mujjay ban keeya jahay aur jaan churwa leeh esa ker kay.

 

Islam par qaim rahoon toh woh zillat behtr joh us kee waja say millay aur kufr par hoon toh us izzat par lakh lanat. Kafir ko kufr meh kia nazar ata heh, Kufr Islam nazar ata heh, Islam kufr nazar ati heh. Joh izzat tum ussay kufr kee tableegh par doh woh tummeh aur ussay mubarak. Agar Urdu nahin aati toh likh doh kay nahin aati mujjay Urdu jawab denay say qasir hoon is waja say kuen apnay aap ko gaseet rahay ho. Yeh likhnay say tummeh pehlay maut parti thee. Joh bar bar tum say sawal kar rahay hen jawab doh jawab doh jawab doh aur bajahay kehnay kay mujjay Urdu achi tera perna likhna nahin aati is leyeh jawab nahin deh sakta wesay keun baat ko tool deh rahay ho. Jis cheez ka nahin pata banda likh day kay mujjay pata nahin, ya yeh waja heh is leyeh jawab nahin deh sakta. Jab tummeh Urdu nahin aati toh maghz mari ka kia faida bataho in ko taqay un ka time waste nah ho. Tummeh kia pata likh likhaee meh kitna time lagta heh tum nay toh sirf copy paste marna hota heh idhar say nahin toh udhar say copy paste mar loh gay. Shahid soch rahay ho kay kissi aur ko pata nahin lagay ga aur meh puray kay puray saffay copy past mar kay apnay number bana loon ga. Abhi ek doh post exchanges meh copy paste material khatam ho jahay ga phir Seikh Google Yahoo al madad bee kaam nahin ahay ga.

 

Edited 5 اپریل 2014 by MuhammedAli

[Haq3909]

 

 

Salam,

 

AAP mujhay boklahat ka shikar lag rahay ho.Zara aap Hazir O Nazir walay thread may mujh say milay.Eik to pehlay hi aap ka aqeeda sahi nahi aur upar say articles liknay pay tullay huway hay.Wah jee.I wan't our debate to be decisive.I've already highlighted your flaws.AUr may nay aap say Ilm Ghayb walay thread may kuch sawal poochay thay.Bas eik eik line may jawab day day.

 

Wasallam.

Edited 5 اپریل 2014 by Haq3909

[Kilk-e-Raza]

Salam,

 

Eik taraf aap log Maulana Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi ko Kafir , kazab aur gustaakh kethay ho aur doosri taraf unhi ki kitaab say tauba sabit kartay ho.Afsoos.Kya Molvi Ahmed Raza Khan nay unkay tauba ka zikr kiya?Nahi na.

Mera Asal sawal ka jawab abhi tak nahi diya.Mera sawal hay kay Malfoozat may aap kay Ala Hazrat nay unnhay kafir kehnay say kyon nahi roka aur khud kaha kay hum kahengay nahi?Auro ko rokna nahi aur khud kahengay nahi?Kyon?

 

Wasallam.

 

Jab urdu ki samajh hi nhi aati tu is forum per kya ker rahe hain? Na bat samajh aati hay na koi sahi jawab. Behs bara e behs ker rahe ho. Apna or hamara time waste na kero.

 

Fatawa rashidiya se hawala is lye dya ke tumhare ghar ka hay.. or us men bhi zara ghor se perho.. Rasheed Gangohi ne likha ke Ismail Dehlavi ne tauba nhi ki thi.. Maqsad ye ke ismail dehlavi ki tauba popular thi is lye Rasheed Gangohi se suwal howa. Ager popular na hoti tu suwal kyon hota? Kuch aqal ke nakhun lo.

 

Hum ne likha hay ke Alahazrat ne ahtyaat ki tauba mashhoor hone ki waja se or iltazaam e kufr na hone ki waja se. Ulema e Mohtateen ka yahi tareeqa hay ke ahtyaat kero. Kufr ka fatwa us waqt do jab har tarah se tassali ho jaye or iltazam e kufr sabit ho jaye. Is lye Alahazrat ne yazeed ki terha kaha. Musalaman phir bhi nhi kaha. Jhoot bolna chor do.

 

Iltazam e kufr ko samajh lo.. jo book post ki thi main ne link men. usse perhne ki koshish ker lo.. Us men sara jawab mojod hay. samajh na aye tu apne kisi bare molvi ko dikha lo.. Behs bara e behs na kero.

 

Saeedi bhayi or Khalil rana bhai ki posts ka jawab do.. baqi personal baton ko choro. Asal behs ki taraf aao.

 

Hazir o nazir wale topic men bhi Saeedi bhai ki posts ka reply kero. Apne Deoband ki mazeed izzat kharab na kero (ager pehle kuch bachi hoyi thi tu?). Perhne wale dekh rahe hain ke kon be bas or posts ki posts hazam kr jata hay.

Edited 5 اپریل 2014 by Kilk-e-Raza

[Haq3909]

Jab urdu ki samajh hi nhi aati tu is forum per kya ker rahe hain? Na bat samajh aati hay na koi sahi jawab. Behs bara e behs ker rahe ho. Apna or hamara time waste na kero.

 

Fatawa rashidiya se hawala is lye dya ke tumhare ghar ka hay.. or us men bhi zara ghor se perho.. Rasheed Gangohi ne likha ke Ismail Dehlavi ne tauba nhi ki thi.. Maqsad ye ke ismail dehlavi ki tauba popular thi is lye Rasheed Gangohi se suwal howa. Ager popular na hoti tu suwal kyon hota? Kuch aqal ke nakhun lo.

 

Hum ne likha hay ke Alahazrat ne ahtyaat ki tauba mashhoor hone ki waja se or iltazaam e kufr na hone ki waja se. Ulema e Mohtateen ka yahi tareeqa hay ke ahtyaat kero. Kufr ka fatwa us waqt do jab har tarah se tassali ho jaye or iltazam e kufr sabit ho jaye. Is lye Alahazrat ne yazeed ki terha kaha. Musalaman phir bhi nhi kaha. Jhoot bolna chor do.

 

Iltazam e kufr ko samajh lo.. jo book post ki thi main ne link men. usse perhne ki koshish ker lo.. Us men sara jawab mojod hay. samajh na aye tu apne kisi bare molvi ko dikha lo.. Behs bara e behs na kero.

 

deger Saeedi bhayi or Khalil rana bhai ki posts ka jawab do.. baqi personal baton ko choro. Asal behs ki taraf aao.

Salam,

 

Sab say pehli baat yay kay may nay kaha kay mujhay mushkil urdu samjh may nahi ati na kay aam urdu.Kal ko koi barelwi tum say sawal karay kay kay Ismail Shaheed nay tooba ke thee is ka saboot kya hay , to ussay Fatwa Rasheediya ka hawala do gay?Kuch to akal say kam lay.Mujhay apnay ghar say koi hawal do.Aur kya saboot hya kay tauba ki waja say ahtiyat kiya?Kya yazeed musalman tha ya nahi?Aur yay bhi sabit karay kay baki 4  ulama ka iltizam kufr sabit hay.

 

Wasallam.

[MuhammedAli]

Salam,

 

AAP mujhay boklahat ka shikar lag rahay ho.Zara aap Hazir O Nazir walay thread may mujh say milay.Eik to pehlay hi aap ka aqeeda sahi nahi aur upar say articles liknay pay tullay huway hay.Wah jee.I wan't our debate to be decisive.I've already highlighted your flaws.AUr may nay aap say Ilm Ghayb walay thread may kuch sawal poochay thay.Bas eik eik line may jawab day day.

 

Wasallam.

Agar yeh meri bukhlahat heh toh tum is kush fehmi meh mat rehna. Bachoon ko zeb nahin deta kay woh baroon kee tera bateh keren. Apni oqat banday ko boolni nahin chahyeh. in sha allah joh response a raha he us meh tummeh joh tumari ilmi oqat be yaad ahay gee aur jin say tum nay copy paste keeya un kee oqaat kee. Bat chand dinoon kee heh. Jin ko tum nay apnay mazhab kay dalahil bana ker pesh keeya thah un say he meh Hazir Nazir sabat keroon ga. Keun kay, bina ishq kay joh partay hen bukhari, ata heh bukhar un ko ati nahin bukhari,

[Haq3909]

Agar yeh meri bukhlahat heh toh tum is kush fehmi meh mat rehna. Bachoon ko zeb nahin deta kay woh baroon kee tera bateh keren. Apni oqat banday ko boolni nahin chahyeh. in sha allah joh response a raha he us meh tummeh joh tumari ilmi oqat be yaad ahay gee aur jin say tum nay copy paste keeya un kee oqaat kee. Bat chand dinoon kee heh. Jin ko tum nay apnay mazhab kay dalahil bana ker pesh keeya thah un say he meh Hazir Nazir sabat keroon ga. Keun kay, bina ishq kay joh partay hen bukhari, ata heh bukhar un ko ati nahin bukhari,

Salam,

 

AAP poori koshish karlo.In Sha' Allah apkay aqeeda may koi aap ka sath nahi dega yaha tak Imam Bukhari bhi nahi.

AUr zahir see baat hay , Muhaditheen aur Mufasireen kay quotes copy hi karnay hotay hay , they can't be typed.Time lagta hay.Hadeeth bhi copy paste karni hotay hay as it is.

Wasallam

Edited 5 اپریل 2014 by Haq3909

[Haq3909]

Salam,

 

AAP poori koshish karlo.In Sha' Allah apkay aqeeda may koi aap ka sath nahi dega yaha tak Imam Bukhari bhi nahi.AB zahir see baat hay , hadeeth tho copy paste karni hotay hay.It'll take time to type them.

 

Wasallam

[Kilk-e-Raza]

Salam,

 

Sab say pehli baat yay kay may nay kaha kay mujhay mushkil urdu samjh may nahi ati na kay aam urdu.Kal ko koi barelwi tum say sawal karay kay kay Ismail Shaheed nay tooba ke thee is ka saboot kya hay , to ussay Fatwa Rasheediya ka hawala do gay?Kuch to akal say kam lay.Mujhay apnay ghar say koi hawal do.Aur kya saboot hya kay tauba ki waja say ahtiyat kiya?Kya yazeed musalman tha ya nahi?Aur yay bhi sabit karay kay baki 4  ulama ka iltizam kufr sabit hay.

 

Wasallam.

 

لاحول ولا قوۃ الا باللہ

 

اتنی موٹی عقل بندے کی نہیں ہونی چاہئے۔ جو بات ایک جاہل کو بھی با آسانی سمجھائی جا سکتی ہے وہ  دیوبند کی سمجھ میں نہیں آتی۔ دماغ میں دیو جو بند ہے۔ آپ نے پوچھا کوئی بریلوی پوچھے۔۔۔ میں نے کئی بریلویوں  کو مسئلہ بتایا ہے جنہوں نے سکول کا منہ بھی نہیں دیکھا مگر بات اُن کی سمجھ میں آگئی۔ بس سمجھنے کیلئے  ایسی عقل چاہئے جس میں دیو گھسا ہوا نہ ہو۔ یزید پکا لعنتی شخص تھا۔ اور اسماعیل دہلوی بھی۔ ہم علمائے محطاطین کی بات کو مقدم رکھتے ہوئے حکم کفر پر خاموشی اختیا ر کرتے ہیں۔ نہ مسلمان کہتے ہیں نہ کافر۔اور کوئی کہے تو منع بھی نہیں کرتے۔

 

باقی چار کا التزام کفر تو  انکی اپنی  کتابوں اور تاویلوں سے ثابت ہے۔ جو انہوں نے اپنے کفریات کی کیں مگر غلطی نہیں مانی۔ لزوم کفر ،کفر بکنے پر ہوتا ہے۔ جب بندہ مطلع ہو جائے اور توبہ نہ کرے۔ اپنی بات پر اڑ جائے، غلط تاویلیں کرے ، مکر جائے اور غلطی نہ مانےتو التزام کفر ہوگیا۔ "کہہ مکرنی"۔ سعیدی بھائی نے کافروں والی آیات پوسٹ کی ہے۔ بالکل وہی حال دیوبندیوں کا ہے۔ کہہ مکرنی سے کفر ختم نہیں ہوتا۔ کافر یہی کام کرتے تھے۔

Edited 5 اپریل 2014 by Kilk-e-Raza

[MuhammedAli]

Salam,

 

AAP poori koshish karlo.In Sha' Allah apkay aqeeda may koi aap ka sath nahi dega yaha tak Imam Bukhari bhi nahi.

AUr zahir see baat hay , Muhaditheen aur Mufasireen kay quotes copy hi karnay hotay hay , they can't be typed.Time lagta hay.Hadeeth bhi copy paste karni hotay hay as it is.

Wasallam

 

No Mr CopyPaste I am not on about Ahadith/Verses, you copy pasted atleast 50% of material from various Deobandi/Wahhabi websites, word by word, coma by coma, fullstop by fulstop. We ill see what supports me   who supports my aqeedah.

[Haq3909]

 

لاحول ولا قوۃ الا باللہ

 

اتنی موٹی عقل بندے کی نہیں ہونی چاہئے۔ جو بات ایک جاہل کو بھی با آسانی سمجھائی جا سکتی ہے وہ  دیوبند کی سمجھ میں نہیں آتی۔ دماغ میں دیو جو بند ہے۔ آپ نے پوچھا کوئی بریلوی پوچھے۔۔۔ میں نے کئی بریلویوں  کو مسئلہ بتایا ہے جنہوں نے سکول کا منہ بھی نہیں دیکھا مگر بات اُن کی سمجھ میں آگئی۔ بس سمجھنے کیلئے  ایسی عقل چاہئے جس میں دیو گھسا ہوا نہ ہو۔ یزید پکا لعنتی شخص تھا۔ اور اسماعیل دہلوی بھی۔ ہم علمائے محطاطین کی بات کو مقدم رکھتے ہوئے حکم کفر پر خاموشی اختیا ر کرتے ہیں۔ نہ مسلمان کہتے ہیں نہ کافر۔اور کوئی کہے تو منع بھی نہیں کرتے۔

 

باقی چار کا التزام کفر تو  انکی اپنی  کتابوں اور تاویلوں سے ثابت ہے۔ جو انہوں نے اپنے کفریات کی کیں مگر غلطی نہیں مانی۔ لزوم کفر ،کفر بکنے پر ہوتا ہے۔ جب بندہ مطلع ہو جائے اور توبہ نہ کرے۔ اپنی بات پر اڑ جائے، غلط تاویلیں کرے ، مکر جائے اور غلطی نہ مانےتو التزام کفر ہوگیا۔ "کہہ مکرنی"۔ سعیدی بھائی نے کافروں والی آیات پوسٹ کی ہے۔ بالکل وہی حال دیوبندیوں کا ہے۔ کہہ مکرنی سے کفر ختم نہیں ہوتا۔ کافر یہی کام کرتے تھے۔

 

Salam,

 

Mujhay zara un charo ka iltizam kufr bari bari unki kitaboo say dikhay.

 

Wasallam.

[Haq3909]

No Mr CopyPaste I am not on about Ahadith/Verses, you copy pasted atleast 50% of material from various Deobandi/Wahhabi websites, word by word, coma by coma, fullstop by fulstop. We ill see what supports me   who supports my aqeedah.

Salam,

 

It doesn't matter whether I copy some material from somewhere.As long as it supports my aqeeda and refutes you , there's no harm.Moreover your aqeeda should be supported by Muhaditheen , Fuqaha and Mufasireen too.Don't just quote any Deobandi scholars.That would be childish of you, if you did so.

 

Wasallam.

[MunAAm]

ye hamara bachna tumhari hat dhrmi hai apne baap ki to mante nahi chale dusaro pat ungli uthane waise jiske baani ka ilm suwwaro jaisa ho usse ummeed b kya ki ja sakyi hai....

[MuhammedAli]

 

لاحول ولا قوۃ الا باللہ

 

Salam alayqum,

 

Baee aap nay Sunniyoon kee baat kee meh aap ko Deobandiyoon kee bata hoon. Mujjay ek banda milla takeaway par joh parshani meh thah meh nay ussay saath leeya gar aya. Uss ke parshani maloom huwi toh dostoon ko saath leh ker haal kay leyh nikla keun kay jis jaga par woh kam karta thah us ka malik us ko tankhawa nahin deh raha thah teen char maheenoon kee tankhawa us nay daba kar rakhi thee. Ham nay ussay ja kar daraya dabkaya aur kaha ham police ko report keren gay kay tum illegally workers kam par lagatay ho. Jis ka fine 18 hazar pound fee banda heh. Us nay 350 pound deeya baqi baad meh denay ka kaha. Batoon batoon meh ussay maloom huwa kay meh Sunni hoon, dari meh say Wahhabi hee lagta hoon. Us nay sawal poocha Geeyarweenh kia heh. Meh nay ussay bataya kay ek dafa Darood ek dafa Surah Fatihah aur aakhir meh ek dafa phir Darood paren. Us nay para meh nay dua mangi isaal e sawab keeya ameen. phir bataya yeh geerwarweenh heh. Phir us nay bataya kay mehDeobandi hoon mujjay nahin pata thah essay geeywarweenh kehtay hen aur yeh amal hota heh girwarweenh meh. Us nay kaha yeh toh kohi larahi wali baat nahin ham toh phir wesay lartay rahay. Phir us nay poocha aap Sunniyoon aur ham meh kia farq heh, meh nay bunyadi farq bataya aqahid aur fiqhi masail ka aur saath Thanvi wali ibarat suna deeh kay aap kay ek maulvi nay yeh likha heh. Allah rabbil alameen gawah heh, kay us kay ankhoon say ansoon jari ho gahay, keun kay woh meray saath khana kha raha thah meh dekh raha thah kay us kay haath kamp rahay thay. Us nay kaha yeh banda Kafir heh kohi musalman nahin esa likh sakta, meh nay bataya yeh aap kay Thanvi sahib ki ibarat heh us nay kaha agar heh toh meh Deobandiyat say tayb ho jahoon ga. Meh nay ussay ibarat dekha dee us nay kasam deh dee kay aaj kay bad meh deobandi nahin hoon meh Sunni hota hoon. Aur al hamdu lillah woh abh Sunni heh aur mera dost heh. Meh nay us say poocha yaar tumaray zehn meh kohi taweel nahin aahi kay shahid is mafoom meh likha ho ya us meh, us nay kaha kohi pagal banda is say kohi aur mafoom doonday ga yeh wazia tor par gustakhi heh. Hasil yeh kay jin bandoon kay dil kufr say kalay nahin huway woh in ibarat meh kufriat pa letay hen magar joh Deobandi kartootoon kee waja say darja kufr par pounchtay hen aur dil kalay ho jatay hen woh kufr kee daldal meh esa panstay hen kay nikalnay ka kohi tareeka nahin hota.

[MunAAm]

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