Rejionder: Did/will Ummah Fall Into Shirk & Worship Ghairullah?

[MuhammedAli]

My attention was directed toward a article by Wahhabi. In this article the author attempts to prove that Ummat has fallen into Shirk and the Muslims gone in past were guilty of idol worship, just as muslims are guilty of worshipping others beside Allah subhana wa tallah. The aim of this article would to be analyze the evidences quoted, and see if these Ahadith actually support his claims or not.

The author Asim Ul Haq presents few evidences to substantiate for his claim, I would quote his evidence and his comment as whole and then proceed fruther from it.
 

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• بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
  Proof that Ummah will do Shirk
  
  Proof 1:

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  "The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said,"Surely, you will follow the ways of those nations who were before you, in everything as one arrow resembles another, (i.e. just like them), so much so that even if they entered a hole of a sand-lizard, you would enter it." They said, "O Allaah’s Messenger! Do you mean to say that we will follow the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Whom else!" (By meaning the Jew and Christians)."
  
  * Bukhari, Book 56, Hadith 662
  * Muslim,Narrated Abu Sa'id, r.a)
  
  Comment: Prediction of Prophet is completed and now people are following Previous people and doing shirk

 

Author basis his argument on Qiyas {deduction}, and on issues of Aqeedah, Qiyas is not acceptable, especially when there are numerous Sahih Ahadith negating it. {Read First Post} Aqeedah has to be based on clear, explicit, Quranic verse or Hadith.

- The fallowing of Jews and Christians is not in theological, and dogmatic, aqeedah issues. And this is proven by comperative analysis of how Western way of life, secular way of life has penetrated the Ummah.

Jews beleive Ozair was son of Allah, Christians beleived Isa alayhis salam was son of Allah, and we Muslims beleive even when our situation is worst in history that Allah is One, without Mother, father, son, daughters.

Christians made Isa alayhis salam, one of the three in trinity, we the Muslims even the least knowledgeable amongst us, still beleives in One'ness of Allah. Christians made Jesus god, yet Muslims have not made Prophet Muhammed sallalahu alayhi was'salam into god, son of god, or attributed any attribute which makes him in beleife of a Muslim partner with Allah. We in creed have not changed, the Jews, and Christians made their Prophets sons of gods, killed their prophets, made them gods, abused their prophets, etc ... We the Muslims have not fallowed them in theology, but we fallowed them in their secularisation, they get Ferrari, the Saudi fat Seikh wants one, Mercedi, the fat Seikh wants his made with gold.

- Author assumed that Ummah of RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'sallam will emulate even the aqeedah, creed, of Jews & Christians, where as in reality the emulation of Jews and Christians is only in non-dogmatic, non-aqeedah related issues, i.e, dress, eating, interests, behaviour, social thinking parterns, adoption of morals, and values of Christians and Jews, and abandonment of religion and adoption of secularism like Christians, and Jews have abandoned their pratical religious values, but only have kept intact their dogmatic, theological beleieves, and Muslims have stoped practicing Islam and are becoming secular, yet still have the correct fundamental aqeedah.

Note Prophet said Muslims will fallow them step by step where ever they go we will fallow on, and Allah already told us:

* Surah Al Baqarah {2} Verse 120: "Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their Millat {nation's culture}. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah that is the (only) Guidance. And if you were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper."

That Jews and Christians will not be happy with you until you join their Millat, their nations, share with them their collective acheivements, the verse uses singular Milla'ta, denoting collective acheivements of Yahood and Nasara, and they will only be satisfied when you, pleased with you when O Muslims you adopt their culture, their way of life, their national culture.

And to please the Yahood, and the Nasara, and to show them that we the Muslims are sophisticated, educated, civilised, we have adopted their Millat {nations cultures}, and prophet already told us, that we will be so busy pleasing these people that we will fallow their Millat's blindly, they have pornographic films, and Arabs will have their own, their women would wear jeans, and so will the Arab, they will drink alchahol, and so will the Arabs, and the rest of the world, they have democracy, and so do we want democracy but not Sharia, we are not adopting their religions but adopting their culture, their Millat. And Prophet sallalahu alayhi was'salam made the Tafsir of the verse I quoted above to show how much we will busy our self in pleasing the Yahood and Nasara.

- If the meaning of Hadith is understood that it reffers to Aqahid, meaning that Ummah of RasoolAllah will adopt the Aqahid of Yahood and Nasara as well. The result will be catastrophic for Ummah, this would imply that Ummah as whole has fallen into Shirk; Wahabi's, Salafi's, Khawarij's, Sufi's, Barelwi's, Deobandi's, Shia's, you name it and they are all included in its implications, hence the understanding of my not very learned friend is faulty, because Prophet said Sawad Al Azam, the great majority of Ummati's of RasoolAllah will always be on correct path of deen and thus we reach to natural conclusion they will be protected from Shirk.

- A aqeedah for which there is no proof from Quran and Sunnah, and it is beleived that aqeedah is supported by Quran and Hadith, amounts of Biddah. And authors aqeedah that Ummah will commit Shirk has no evidence rather its Qiyas, analogy, hences its Biddah.

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• Proof 2:
  
  Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
  
  Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Last Hour would not come until the women of the tribe of Daus would be seen going round Dhi al-Khalasa (for worship) (Sahih muslim Chapter 15 : THE LAST HOUR WOULD NOT COME UNTIL THE WOMEN OF THE TRIBE OF DAUS WOULD GO ROUND DHI AL-KHALASA Book 41, Number 6944, Abu Huraira reported)

The next evidence is quoted partially the reason wasnt obvious until I checked the refference. Here is the full refference from Sahih Muslim:

* Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6944: "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the women of the tribe of Daus would be seen going round Dhi al-Khalasa (for worship) and Dhi al-Khalasa is a place in tabala, where there was a temple in which the people of the tribe of Daus used to worship the idol."

* Sahih Muslim [Arabic only] Hadith 5167: "Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Last Hour would not come until the women of the tribe of Daus would be seen going round Dhul-Khalasah, an idol that the tribe of Daus used to worship during the pre-Islamic era in the ."

* Sahih Bukhari, Book 88, Hadith 232: "Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established till the buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daus move while going round Dhi-al-Khalasa." Dhi-al-Khalasa was the idol of the Daus tribe which they used to worship in the Pre Islamic Period of ignorance."

Anyone will see Prophet no where mentions that these women will be Muslim, he sallalahu alayhi was'salam foretold a sign of day of judgement, and nothing in these two Ahadith indicates that the women involved in the worship of the Dhul Al Khalasa were Muslim, or are Muslims or will be Muslims. Infact all indications are that these women and their Idol worship will be revived prior to the day of judgement, and so far there is no sign of reviving of Idol worship, or signs of a temple being built, nor there is any chance of Saudi Wahabi goverment allowing the building of a temple, or allowing the Idol worship in their domain.

Note that this hadith specificly reffers to just one tribe, we can not argue on the basis of this hadith alone, Ummah will fall into Shirk, rather its the tribe of Daws whos women will make Tawaf of their patron Idol, Dhul Al Khalasa. It should also be noted that, the prophecies are not fullfilled yet, hence one can not claim that Banu Daws are Mushrikeen presently, this prophecy will be fullfiled in distant future.

Therefore we cannot use this Hadith and generalise it or to implicate the entire Ummah into Shirk of Banu Daws.

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• Proof 3:
  
  Prophet Peace be upon him said:
  
  * Sunan Abu Dawood, Book 30, Number 4239: Narrated Thawban, ... will destroy another section, and a section will captivate another section. I am afraid about my community of those leaders who will lead astray. When the sword is used among my people, it will not be withdrawn from them till the Day of Resurrection, and the Last Hour will not come before the tribes of my people attach themselves to the polytheists and tribes of my people worship idols. There will be among my people thirty great liars each of them assertinf that he is (Allah's) prophet, whereas I am the Seal of the Prophets after whom (me) there will be no prophet; and a section of my people will continue to hold to the truth - (according to Ibn 'Isa's version: (will continue to dominate) - the agreed version goes: "and will not be injured by those who oppose them, till Allah's command comes."
  
  
  Comment:
  
  This is prediction of Prophet Peace be upon him:
  
  1. the Last Hour will not come before the tribes of my people attach themselves to the polytheists
  2. and tribes of my people worship idols.
  3. There will be among my people thirty great liars each of them asserting that he is (Allah's) prophet, whereas I am the Seal of the Prophets after whom (me) there will be no prophet; and a section of my people will continue to hold to the truth (completed). Muslim Ummah will do shirk as Prophet (Peace be upon him) predicted.
  
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We have already analysed the Ahadith in which Banu Daws women will make tawaf of their Idol Dhul Al Khalasa near the end of time, and we know that this prophecy has not yet been fullfiled but will be fullfiled in future. And the Hadith: "... tribes of my people attach themselves to the polytheists and tribes of my people worship idols ..." as well as Hadith of worship of Dhul Al Khalasa are better explained by:

* Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6945: 'A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: "He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it)", it implies that is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers."

This proves that people reverting to polytheism, worship of Al'lat, Uzza, and worship of Dhul Al Khalasah will be after a time, when Allah will send a sweet fragrant in air which will bring death on anyone who has Iman in their heart little as mustard seed, and those who would survive will be the worst of the people, and then Allah will establish the hour upon them.

- This leads to the conlusion that Ummah of RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'salam has not fallen into Shirk at present, but all the evidences presented fail to prove that Ummah at present or in near future will fall into Shirk. Rather it is definately, clearly established that once the Muslims die when Allah sends the sweet fragrant air, the remaining people will fall into Shirk, and revert to worship of Idols of pre-Islamic era. Therefore these Ahadith can not be used to label Muslims Mushrik or accuse Muslims of commiting Shirk, had their been possiability Ummah being involved in worship of others beside Allah prior to the sweet fragrant in the air Prophet would have prophecised and warned the Muslims about it. Infact Prophet already foretold that a man will accuse Muslims of Shirk {leader of Khawarij}:

* Sahih Ibn Hibban: "Hudhaifa i.e. Ibn al Yaman said that the Prophet said: Verily, I fear about a man from you who will read the Qur'an so much that his face will become enlightened and he will come to personify Islam. This will continue until Allah desires. Then these things will be taken away from him when he will disregard them by putting them all behind his back and will attack his neighbor with the sword accusing him of Shirk. The Prophet was asked - which of the two will be deserving of such an accusation? - The attacker or the attacked? The Prophet replied - the attacker (the one accusing the other of Shirk)"

* Tahqiq Nasir Albani, Volume 1, Page 200, Hadith 81
* Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah - Albani Volume 7-A, Page 605, Hadith 3201

Nasir Ud Din AlBani graded this Hadith as Hassan, so the charge of accusing Muslims of Shirk is of hertiage of the Khawarij, for they accused Ali radiallah tallah anh of commiting Shirk when he apointed Abu Musa Al Ashari radiallah tallah anh as arbitar between Muawiyah radiallah tallah anh and himself.

- To remind the readers RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'salam has stated that Ummah has whole will not be guilty of Shirk, the Ummah will not be involved in worship of others besides Allah, yet this unfortunate individual has attempted indirectly to prove that he sallalahu alayhi was'salam was wrong in his guarantee. He took oath by Allah that I do not fear Shirk from you {Shirk Al Akhbar} but fear that you will compete in building of tall buildings, and gathering of wealth. His statement that Ummah as whole will not practice Shirk means that Ummah will not fall into any category of Shirk of Al Akhbar, he went to the extent of informing his fallowers about the dangers of Minor Shirk, Shirk Ar'riya and how it effects the deeds, had he known that Ummah would fall into any major category of Shirk he would have stated so, and warned of of its dangers.

RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'salam wished that that his Ummah is unified, and strong, and anything which could hinders its unity, he warned and informed of it in advance, even informed that Ummah as whole will not fall into Shirk, yet a group from his Ummah, the inheritors of Khawarij tradition of Takfir of Muslims are doing their utmost to make Muslims into Mushrikeen.

Woe to those who raise their voice above the voice of Messenger of Allah sallalahu alayhi was'salam, Allahs curse is on those who dispute with Messenger of Allah sallalahu alayhi was'salam when they have no knowledge, it would have been better had they beleived:

* Sahih Bukhari,, Book 76, Number 590: "... and by Allah, I am not afraid that you will worship others besides Allah after me, but I am afraid that you will strive and struggle against each other over these treasures of the world."

* Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Number 5688: "...by Allah, I am not afraid concerning you that you would associate anything (with Allah after me), but I am afraid that you would be vying with one another (for the possession of) the treasures of the earth."

Wama Alayna Ilal Balagh Ul Mubeen
Muhammed Sheraz Ali Razvi

 

Edited 12 مارچ by MuhammedAli

[Smart Ali]

AhleHadith Reply:

 

Hadith ki ye tashreeh kahan se ki hai,???

 

Jb imaan wale khtm ho jayenge to yeh kahna ni chahiye tha ki baaz qabail boot ki puja karenge, blki ye kahna chahiye tha ki meri ummat boot ki puja karegi, qki rai k barabar imaan wale rahenge hi ni to sb mushrik hi rah jayenge, to ye 'baaz qabail' kahne ki kya zarurat thi???

[MuhammedAli]

AhleHadith Reply:

 

Hadith ki ye tashreeh kahan se ki hai,???

 

Jb imaan wale khtm ho jayenge to yeh kahna ni chahiye tha ki baaz qabail boot ki puja karenge, blki ye kahna chahiye tha ki meri ummat boot ki puja karegi, qki rai k barabar imaan wale rahenge hi ni to sb mushrik hi rah jayenge, to ye 'baaz qabail' kahne ki kya zarurat thi???

Meh nay kahan per likha heh kay jab sab ahle iman mar jahen gay toh baaz qabail mushrikoon hoon gay, meh nay kissi jaga per yeh nahin likha. yaqeenan aap ko ghalti huwi pernay aur samajnay meh. Jab Allah tandi hawa behjay ga toh sab ahle iman mar jahen gay aur peechay joh bachen gay kaffir hoon gay joh bad meh mushrik ho jaen gay.

Edited 12 جون 2013 by MuhammedAli

[MuhammedAli]

I will re-write this article in near future and tidy up the arguments. I know its cluttery and bit messed up. You need to read the other articles on this subject first and then you will understand this one. There are altogathr about 6 articles related to this and all have been posted.

[MuhammedAli]

AhleHadith Reply:

 

Hadith ki ye tashreeh kahan se ki hai,???

 

Jb imaan wale khtm ho jayenge to yeh kahna ni chahiye tha ki baaz qabail boot ki puja karenge, blki ye kahna chahiye tha ki meri ummat boot ki puja karegi, qki rai k barabar imaan wale rahenge hi ni to sb mushrik hi rah jayenge, to ye 'baaz qabail' kahne ki kya zarurat thi???

Salam baee, meh nay joh likha heh is hadith say likha heh:

 

'A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: "He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it)", it implies that is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers."   [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945]  

 

Hadith meh wazia likha heh kay Lat aur Uzza kee ibadat sweet fragrant hawa chalnay kay baad hogi sara hadith peren. Zahir baat heh kay hawa chalnay kay baad joh baqi reh jahen gay woh kam say kam kaffir toh hoon gay. Aur arsa daraz kay baad shaytaan un ko warghala'hay ga aur woh be Mushrik ho jahen gay apnay baap dada kay mazhab kee taraf laut jahen gay, zahir baat heh is ka matlab yeh huwa kay Arab dor e Jahalat kay buttoon ko poojen gay aur india pakistan walay Seeta, Geeta, Rama,  Snake god, cow god, waghera ko poojna shoroon ho jahen gay. Aur Hazoor nay baaz qabail ka zikr keeya heh kia aap samajtay hen kay RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'sallam bethay logoon ko detail batatay rehtay, kon kon say qabil, country, shahir, muhallay, un kay baap dada walay Mushrik hoon gay. Kia aap chahtay kay saray dunya kay qabail ka zikr kertay logoon kay baap dada aur a geneology muhallay country sha'hir sab ka aap ko naam batatay jin meh joh joh butt poojen jahen gay aur phir un butoon kee tafseelan description detay, kis rang, shakal kis soorat meh hoga. Haqiqat yeh heh kay ek doh qabail ka naam misaal kay tor per leh deeya aur baqi logoon kay mutalliq yeh farmya: Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers."

Edited 12 جون 2013 by MuhammedAli

[Smart Ali]

Ahle Hadith Reply

 

brailveeh bhai app nay Sahih Muslim ki hadith paish ki.  jis may likha hay kay aik hawa chalay gi jis kay baad koi momin nahi bachay ga.

 

 

phir  app nay kaha us hawa kay baaad loog shirk may mubtilah hongay. us say pehlay nahi. 

 

SAWAL:

 

1, us kay baad ager shirk may mubtilah hongay to sunan abu daud ki hadith may ya kiun kaha gaya kay BAAZ QABIL muhsrikeen sa ja milien gay. jub koi momim musalman bachay ga hee nahi to nabi pak    ko ya kehna chahiya tha kay mayri poori ummat shirk may mubtilah ho jai gi. baaaz ka kiun kaha???

 

2, sunan abu daud ki hadith say ya pata chalta hay kay BAAZ QABAIL shirk karien gay. is ka matlab howa bohat say nahi karien gay to sabit howa kay ya shirk wali baaat hawa chalnay wali say pehlay ki ho rahi hay. na kay baad may. kiun kay hawa chalnay kay baad to koi momini bachay ga hee nahi.

 

sunan abu daud ki hadith bhi paish ker dayta hooon:

 

 

 

mien nay ya kub kaha kay qabail kay naam lien. app kay mutabiq to hawa chalnay kay baad sub mushrik ho jaien gay to poori UMMAT ka lafz use ker laytay.

[MuhammedAli]

Salam alayqum wr wb

Pehlay aap apna mazhab seekh lenh phir Wahhabiyoon say behas kertay phiryeh ga. Joh Wahhabi aap say behas ker rahay hen un ko kahen kay forum per aa jahen aap ko un ka chamcha bannay kee zeroorat nahin phir meh khud un say deal ker loon ga. Alhamdulillah joh kuch likha heh tehqeeq ker kay Quran o aHadith ka mawazna ker kay likha heh. Insha'allah meri tehqeeq say agar kissi nay kohi ghalti nikali toh inshallah woh Sunni ahle ilm aur iman hoga. Wahhabi kay bas kee baat nahin kay meri tehqeeq per nuqs keray aur us ka nuqs sabat ho.

Aap agar sunni hen aur mujjay yaqeen nahin kay aap Sunni hen. Aur agar aap Sunni hen toh phir joh bataya gaya heh woh keren yehni apna aqeedah seekhen. Apnay Sunni maslak kay baray meh ilm hasil keren. English meh khadam nay bot kuch likha huwa heh aap ussay peren zeroor magar us kay saath seekhen.

Apnay mukhtalif articles say yeh mawad nikala heh shahid kuch abhi net per nah hoon. Yeh sab ek hee mozoo per hen. Quran say sabat heh kay qayamat kee joh tabahi barbadi hogi woh Mushrikoon per hogi: But Allah would not punish them while you are among them, and Allah would not punish them while they seek forgiveness.” [Ref: 8:33] Is ayaat kee mukhtasar see tafsir pesh kee heh insha'allah aynda moqa milla toh tafseelan English meh is per pura article likhoon ga.

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Mushrikeen of Makkah when they were warned of day destruction which would precede before the day of judgment by Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) they said mockingly: “And when they said: "O Allah! If this is indeed the truth from You, then rain down stones on us from the sky or bring on us a painful torment.'' [Ref: 8:32] and Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) replies to them: “And they urge you to hasten the punishment. And if not for [the decree of] a specified term, punishment would have reached them. But it will surely come to them suddenly while they perceive not.” [Ref: 29:53] in another verse Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) states: “But Allah would not punish them while you [the Prophet Muhammed or the Muslims or Prophet Muhammed as well as Muslims] are among them, and Allah would not punish them while they seek forgiveness.” [Ref: 8:33] In the context of its revelation the verse means Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will not punish the Mushrikeen as long as Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was) is amongst them. To punish them Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) gave the order of emigration to Madinah but eventually the Mushrikeen asked for forgiveness from Shirk and became Muslim. Another interpretation is Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will not punish the Mushrikeen as whole until Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) is alive because Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) made dua to Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) to withhold the punishment from Mushrikeen. So if Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) has passed away without converting the Mushrikeen Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) would have punished them collectively. Another interpretation is just as the Mushrikeen of Makkah mockingly demanded that destruction of world is brought about if Quran is from Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) and Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) is true Prophet; in the similar fashion the Mushrikeen in aakhurz zama (i.e. near the end of times) would demand from Muslims the destruction of earth, and punishment of Allah (subhana wa ta'ala). Before Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) brings about what they demanded; Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will take the life of believers who have mustard seed worth eman in their hearts and the gates of repentance will be closed therefore their seeking of forgiveness from Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) would not be accepted by Allah (subhana wa ta'ala). Then Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will order the angles to fulfill what He has promised to the Mushrikeen of Makkah and Mushrikeen of Earth; the utter, absolute, annihilation of inhabitants of earth who mocked Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) and disbelieved in is Prophet, in his Guidance. In this last context the verse will mean: “But Allah would not punish them while you [THE MUSLIMS] are among them, and Allah would not punish them while they seek forgiveness.” [Ref: 8:33]

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The Refutation Satan Lost Hope Of Being Worshiped:

Arabian peninsula being free of idol worship [up till a appointed time] is established from Prophet's (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) statement:“... Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshipers would ever worship him in the peninsula of Arabia, ...." [Ref: Muslim, B39, H6752] and this interpretation has its backing from other ahadith of Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) in which he is reported to have said; Arabs would not worship associated gods instead of Allah (subhana wa ta'ala): "... and by Allah, I am not afraid that you [the Arabs] will worship others besides Allah after me, but I am afraid that you will strive and struggle against each other over these treasures of the world." [Ref: Bukhari, B76, H590] and in another hadith Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) states that people of Arabian peninsula will not associate a partner with Allah (subhana wa ta'ala): "...by Allah, I am not afraid concerning you that you [the Arabs] would associate anything (with Allah after me), but I am afraid that you would be vying with one another (for the possession of) the treasures of the earth." [Ref: Muslim, B30, H5688]

Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) is reported to have said: “... Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshipers would ever worship him in the peninsula of Arabia, ...." [Ref: Muslim, B39, H6752] and keeping in mind Satan worship in the language of Qur'an is idol worship; the intended meaning of Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) was that there will be no idol worship in Arabian peninsula up til a appointed time.[36] After which there will be no Muslims on earth and the destruction, annihilation, obliteration preceding the day of judgment will be established on the Mushrikeen as a punishment which was promised by Allah (subhana wa ta'ala). Hence the accusations of Wahhabiyah that Ahlus Sunnah of Arabian peninsula had fallen into worship of others beside Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) is a falsehood. But the seed of discord, disunity, dissension, disagreement among Muslims of Arabia foretold by Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) was planted successfully by shaytaan: “Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshipers would ever worship (him) in the peninsula of Arabia, but he (is hopeful) that he would sow the seed of dissension amongst them.” [Ref: Muslim, B39, H6752]. Note that the hadith states in simple words no idolatry, no worship of others beside Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) in peninsula of Arabia but he is hopeful of planting the seed of discord amongst Muslims.Considering the context of the hadith a specific meaning is that his discord, his disagreement which he plans to plant will be in relation to what he will unable to achieve. Meaning he will sow the seeds of takfir amongst the Muslims on the basis of Shirk; the first group to make takfir of Muslims (i.e. companions) with word 'Mushrik' was Khawarij. And over the time many manifestations of Khariji's have emerged with different names; Wahhabi heresy being one of them. They will continue to appear and make takfir of Muslims with their accusations of Shirk, Mushrik until the last hour.

 

- [36] Readers might have noticed the takhsees of hadith and it is based on the fallowing basis. The Mushrikeen asked for punishment (i.e. azaab) therefore Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) states: “Say: "You think, if the punishment of Allah comes to you, whether suddenly or openly, will any be destroyed except those who do wrong?” [Ref: 6:47] It is a rhetorical question whose implications is that the punishment would be collective and it will not exclude anyone and Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) has stated: “But those who reject our signs,- them shall punishment touch, for that they ceased not from transgressing.” [Ref: 6:49] therefore the day of destruction, annihilation of earth will be established only upon the Mushrikeen because the Mushrikeen are the ones who had rejected the message of Allah (subhana wa ta'ala). To fulfill of only punishing the disbelievers Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will send the musky fragrant wind and this wind will take the souls of believers and the remaining rabble will have to endure the destruction, affiliation of epic proportions. Note this interpretation is partly based on and fully supported by the fallowing ahadith“... A group of people from my Umma will continue to fight in obedience to the Command of Allah, remaining dominant over their enemies. Those who will oppose them shall not do them any harm. They will remain in this condition until the Hour overtakes them. (At this) 'Abdullah said: Yes. Then Allah will raise a wind which will be fragrant like musk and whose touch will be like the touch of silk; (but) it will cause the death of all (faithful) persons, not leaving behind a single person with an iota of faith in his heart. Then only the worst of men will remain to be overwhelmed by the Hour.” [Ref: Muslim, B20, H4721] 'A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: "He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it)." [ref:9:33] It implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] These ahadith make it clear that believers would die due to a musky fragrant wind which will be sent by Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) and the worst of people without any goodness will remain behind they will return to polytheistic religion which their ancestors had and will resort to worship of Lat and Uzza . These worst type of people will be ones upon whom the day of judgement will be established therefore up-till that time idolatry will not return in Arabian peninsula. There is no mention of Arabian peninsula being hub of grave worship, idol worship, tree worship, angle worship, Jinn worship, Wali-ullah worship, prior to blowing of the musky fragrant wind.

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Prophet of Allah (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) foretold that near the end of time Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will send a musky wind which will take the life of anyone who have iota, or mustard seed size faith in their heart the people left behind will revert to idolatry when shaytan will incite them to it: “... I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the charactertistics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil. Then the satan would come to them in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives. Then the trumpet ...” [ref: Muslim B 41, H 7023]

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Shirk In Arabian Peninsula:

It is recorded in a authentic hadith that Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'salam) that those Muslims who have iota of faith in their hearts they will die when Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will send a fragrant musky wind which will take the lives of all the believers. Those remaining will be the worst of people on earth, and it is on these people that Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) will establish day of judgement:

Sahih Muslim, Book 20, Hadith 4721: “... A group of people from my Umma will continue to fight in obedience to the Command of Allah, remaining dominant over their enemies. Those who will oppose them shall not do them any harm. They will remain ill this condition until the Hour overtakes them. (At this) 'Abdullah said: Yes. Then Allah will raise a wind which will be fragrant like musk and whose touch will be like the touch of silk; (but) it will cause the death of all (faithful) persons, not leaving behind a single person with an iota of faith in his heart. Then only the worst of men will remain to be overwhelmed by the Hour.”

Another hadith of Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'salam) reveals that day of judgement will not be established until people revert back to worship of pre-Islamic idol-gods Lat, and Uzza:

Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6945: 'A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: "He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it)." [ref:9:33] It implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.”

Ummul Momineen Aysha Sadeeqa (radiallah ta'ala anha) questioned Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) after hearing this saying:“He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it)." It implies that (this promise) is going to be fulfilled.” upon hearing this from her Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'salam) replied: “Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them.” This saying is same as above hadith where Prophet is reported to have said that worst people will be left behind: “Then only the worst of men will remain to be overwhelmed ...” The people remaining in Arabian peninsula will be worst for many reasons but one of those reasons is: “And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers.” and part of Arabs reverting to religion of fore-fathers is that: “The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'uzza.”

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[Smart Ali]

salam

Hazrat   mien sunni hoon. or Ahle Sunnat wa jamaat brailveeh maslak say mera taluk hay. or ALLAH muhjay is hee maslak per maut day. AMEEN.

hazrat mien chamcha nahi bun raha. jub kahi baat hoti hay. or sunnioon per koi laan taan kerta hay. to mien wahan per logoon ko batata hooon haqeeqat ya nahi ya hay. wahabi / deobandi jhootay hien. is say public ko pata chalta hay kay kiya such hay or kiya jhoot. ager app ko bura laga kay app ki post ki hoi chees per comment kiya hai to mien app say mazraat chahata hooon. mien nay app hee ki post perh ker or samaj ker agay jawab diya tha. ab wahan say or sawaal agayee to mien nay yahan per pooch liya. is say mayri knowledge may izafa hoga or  wahabi/ deobandi ka bhi moo kala hoga. app ko ager mera comment post kerna acha nahi lagta to bata dien. ainda app ki post per koi sawal  nahi karoon ga. app ko mera imaaan per shuk hay to is baray may mien kuch nahi bol sakta. meray Imaan kay baray ALLAH or us kay rasool  jantay hien. app muhjay kafir samjhtay hien to app samaj lien

 

 

yahee ho sakta hay mien new topic start ker kay apnay sawal post ker doon. takay app ki hoi post per comment na ker sakoon or app ko bura na lagay.

 

ALLAH app ko jaza -e- khair day ameen

 

salam

Edited 13 جون 2013 by Smart Ali

[MuhammedAli]

 

brailveeh bhai app nay Sahih Muslim ki hadith paish ki.  jis may likha hay kay aik hawa chalay gi jis kay baad koi momin nahi bachay ga.

 

phir  app nay kaha us hawa kay baaad loog shirk may mubtilah hongay. us say pehlay nahi. 

 

SAWAL:

 

1, us kay baad ager shirk may mubtilah hongay to sunan abu daud ki hadith may ya kiun kaha gaya kay BAAZ QABIL muhsrikeen sa ja milien gay. jub koi momim musalman bachay ga hee nahi to nabi pak    ko ya kehna chahiya tha kay mayri poori ummat shirk may mubtilah ho jai gi. baaaz ka kiun kaha???

 

2, sunan abu daud ki hadith say ya pata chalta hay kay BAAZ QABAIL shirk karien gay. is ka matlab howa bohat say nahi karien gay to sabit howa kay ya shirk wali baaat hawa chalnay wali say pehlay ki ho rahi hay. na kay baad may. kiun kay hawa chalnay kay baad to koi momini bachay ga hee nahi.

 

sunan abu daud ki hadith bhi paish ker dayta hooon:

 

mien nay ya kub kaha kay qabail kay naam lien. app kay mutabiq to hawa chalnay kay baad sub mushrik ho jaien gay to poori UMMAT ka lafz use ker laytay.

Part One:

 

Do khaas nuqtay:

 

- Ummat do qism kee heh, Ummat e Imaani aur Ummat e Arab o Isani, Arab o Insani meh woh hen joh iman nahin lahay.

 

- Sunan Abu Dawood kee hadith ka tarjuma ghalat heh hadith meh baaz qabail ka zikr nahin balkay tarjuma yeh heh: "... hatta kay meri ummat kay qabail buttoon ki ibadat nahin kertay ..."

 

Donoon ko agar malhooz rakha jahay toh phir wazia ho jata heh hadith ka mafoom: "... hatta kay meri ummat [yehni Ummat e Arabi][1] kay qabail buttoon ki ibadat nahin kertay ..." Hawa chalnay kay baad yeh hoga kay saray ahle imaan mar jahen gay, peechay secularist kaffir bachen gay jin kay pass shaytan ahay ga aur Shirk kee taraf bulahay ga aur woh Arab kaffir Shirk kerna shoron ho jahen gay:

 

“... I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the charactertistics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil. Then the satan would come to them in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives. Then the trumpet ...” [ref: Muslim B 41, H 7023]

 

Part Two:

Abh yeh ihtimal kay RasoolAllah nay sari Ummat e Insaani o Arab ka mushrik honay ka zikr keun nahin keeya sirf Araboon ka zikr keun keeya? Is ka jawab yeh heh kay joh Quran meh wazia heh us kay izhar kee zeroorat nahin aur Mushrikoon per qayamat ki tabahi bator e sazza Quran say sabat heh: “But Allah would not punish them while you [the Prophet Muhammed or the Muslims or Prophet Muhammed as well as Muslims] are among them, and Allah would not punish them while they seek forgiveness.” [Ref: 8:33] Aur Araboon ka khaas zikr is leyeh keeya keun kay woh misaal kay tor per deeya thah.

 

Muhammed Ali Razavi

 

Foot Note:

 

- [1] Ummat e Arabi kee takhsees is leyeh kee keun kay hadith meh wazia ilfaaz say sabat heh kay jin kay mutaliq yeh farmaya gaya heh woh Arab hoon gay:'A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: ..." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the women of the tribe of Daus would be seen going round Dhi al-Khalasa (for worship) and Dhi al-Khalasa is a place in tabala, where there was a temple in which the people of the tribe of Daus used to worship the idol." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6944]

Edited 13 جون 2013 by MuhammedAli

[MuhammedAli]

salam

Hazrat   mien sunni hoon. or Ahle Sunnat wa jamaat brailveeh maslak say mera taluk hay. or ALLAH muhjay is hee maslak per maut day. AMEEN.

hazrat mien chamcha nahi bun raha. jub kahi baat hoti hay. or sunnioon per koi laan taan kerta hay. to mien wahan per logoon ko batata hooon haqeeqat ya nahi ya hay. wahabi / deobandi jhootay hien. is say public ko pata chalta hay kay kiya such hay or kiya jhoot. ager app ko bura laga kay app ki post ki hoi chees per comment kiya hai to mien app say mazraat chahata hooon. mien nay app hee ki post perh ker or samaj ker agay jawab diya tha. ab wahan say or sawaal agayee to mien nay yahan per pooch liya. is say mayri knowledge may izafa hoga or  wahabi/ deobandi ka bhi moo kala hoga. app ko ager mera comment post kerna acha nahi lagta to bata dien. ainda app ki post per koi sawal  nahi karoon ga. app ko mera imaaan per shuk hay to is baray may mien kuch nahi bol sakta. meray Imaan kay baray ALLAH or us kay rasool  jantay hien. app muhjay kafir samjhtay hien to app samaj lien

 

 

yahee ho sakta hay mien new topic start ker kay apnay sawal post ker doon. takay app ki hoi post per comment na ker sakoon or app ko bura na lagay.

 

ALLAH app ko jaza -e- khair day ameen

 

salam

Meray baee bura mannanay kee baat nahin. Aap sunni hen toh mujjay kohi ihtiraaz nahin jawab denay meh. Zeroor jawab doon ga, magar meray baee jawab ko samajnay kay leyeh bee aap ko thora khud ilm chahyeh kissi mozoo per. Thora bunyadi ilm aap ko be hasil kerna chahyeh. Agar aap khud ilm hasil nahin keren gay balkay sawal per sawal sawal per sawal keren gay toh logh aap say tanq aa ker jawab nahin denh gay. Dosra agar aap ko ilm nahin toh phir aap ka imaan zaya honay ka andesha heh. Ham sunniyoon ka ilmi midaan meh bura haal keun heh us kee waja sirf yahi heh kay do char seekh letay hen aur baqi zeroori nahin samajtay kay ham be khud kuch seekhen. Hammeh Ahle Ilm Sunniyoon kee zeroorat heh aur aap meh josh o jazba heh toh is jazbay ko tareekay aur saleekay say istimal keren aur pehlay apnay aqahid seekhen. Meh khud WAHHABI aur DEOBANDI raha hoon, 8 saal taq, jahil mutliq thah is waja say gumra ho gaya.

 

Apnay jazbay ko tareekay say istimal keren, har forum per aap lar nahin saktay, behtr tareeka yeh heh kay aap Quran aur hadith kay dalahil ko aur Ahle Sunnat kay mowaqif ko samjen aur phir tehqeeq keren aur apni tehqeeq likh ker ahle ilm hazrat ko pesh keren aur woh phir check ker denh aap ko. Insha'allah aista aista aap qabil ho jahen gay kay aap khud Ahle Sunnat kay mowaqif per tehqeeq ker saken gay. Meh kohi Aalim nahin hoon, Ulamah kee kitaben per ker masail per tehqeeq kerta hoon Quran o Hadith say. Hammeh muhaqiqeen, ahle tehqeeq kee zeroorat heh ahle behas o mubahisa kee nahin. Agar aap mehnat keren toh inshallah aap 3 saloon meh qabil ho jahen gay kay tehqeeq ker saken.

 

Meray baee meh abhi 25 articles likh raha hoon, mukhtalif masail per aur koshish yeh heh kay apni maut say pehlay Ahle Sunnat kay aqahid o nazriyat ko tareeqeh aur saleeqeh say English zuban meh kitab kee shakal meh pesh keroon. Meh itna time devote nahin ker sakta kay tafseelan jawab likhoon. Aur agar aap thora is maslay per bunyadi ilm hasil ker lenh aur phir kissi mushkil per madad talb keren toh meray leyeh be easy hoga. Warna agar mujjay har point ka jawab dena pera toh meh sara time be-fizool behas meh guzar doon ga.

 

Aap say guzarish heh meray baee joh kohi kehta heh kehnay denh. Aap khud seekhen aur Sunniyoon ko sikhahen. Ham behas ker kay kabi Wahhabiat ko khatam nahin ker saktay. Pehlay meh be behas kerta thah magar Wahhabi ek ko la jawab kero toh kia hasil hoga? Kia Sunni Wahhabi hona band ho jahen gay? Ya behas jeet ker Sunniyoon kay iman ko bacha saken gay? Ek kay ya do kay ya teen ka iman bachay ga forum per, magar joh forum per nahin joh net per nahin, joh aam sunni hen un ka kia hoga. Meri rahay yeh heh kay Maslak ka behtreen difa yeh heh kay Ahle Sunnat kay aqahid o nazriat ko Sunniyoon meh aam keeya jahay. Taleem ko pehlaya jahay jab ham Sunni maslak kee taleem aam kernay meh kamyab huway toh phir kissi sunni kay iman ko kharab honay ka chance kam heh. Aur jab Sunni maslk ki taleem aam huwi toh phir ham ko behas kerni chahyeh. Sunni Wahhabi ho rahay hen kuen kay har Wahhabi apnay mazhab kay baray meh janta heh aur tableegh kerta heh aur har sunni jahil mutlaq heh jis ko kuch ilm nahin balkay namaz pernay ka ilm nahin. Essee sorrat meh behas hammeh kohi faida nahin deh rahi, bas ham khush ho jatay hen kay ham nay ek Wahhabi ko hara deeya, chup kerwa deeya, seena tanda ho jata heh. Magar woh ham say baag ker jahil sunniyoon ko gumra kerta phirta heh.

 

In logoon nay apni wahabiyat ko issee tera perwan charwaya heh apni wahabit kee taleem ko aam keeya aur phir har wahhabi mubaligh bana huwa heh apni wahhabiyt ka. hamaroon ko apni ka pata nahin dosroon ko kia tableegh keren gay. Sunniat ko bachana heh toh khud seekhen aur Sunniyoon ko sikhahen.

[Smart Ali]

 mien yahan per talib ilm ki hasiyat say hee ata hooon. or mera maksad yahan per ilm seekhna hee hay. or mien kisi ahle khabsee ya deogandi ko khud say kuch reply nahi kerta. bulkay app jaisay ilmi hazrat say rujoo kerta hooon. jo app boltay ho to wohi baaat agay bolta hoooon. or khud bhi samjhta hooon kay aisa kiun hay or waisa kiun hay. or jo galiyaaan day rahey hotay hien muhj say berdasht nahi hoti kay kisi sunni ko kuch bola jai. 

 

ab muhjay app say aik point mila. kay sunan abu daoon ki jo hadith hay . AHLE KHABEEES nay gahlat tajerma keeya hay. us may BAAZ QABAIL ka ziker hee nahi hay. srif QABAIL ka ziker hay. or muhjay pata hay kay mien jub ya boloon ga kay hadith may BAAZ ka word kahan say agaya to us ko sabit kernay ki koshish karien gay. kay hadith may word BAAZ  hay. phir app ki rehnumai chahiya hogi. is terhan mien khud bhi seekhooon ga or un ko moo tor jawab bhi day sakooon ga. kul ko kisi rishtay daar may , dostoon may , job per koi bhi kuch bhi bolay ga atleast moo bund ker wa sakoon ga. kiun kay SHIRK SHIRK soun ker her koi tung agaya hay.

 

 

ALLAH app ko jaza khair ata fermai. 

[MuhammedAli]

This is a simple account of what and how idolatry will spread on earth:

RasoolAllah (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) said: “... and the Last Hour will not come before the tribes of my people attach themselves to the polytheists and tribes of my people worship idols.” [Ref: Abu Dawood, B30, H4239] in another hadith he explicitly stated about worship of specific idols; Lat and Uzza: “The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza.” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] In another hadith Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) mentioned a particular tribe worshipping a particular idol: “... the women of the tribe of Daus would be seen going round Dhi al-Khalasa (for worship) and ..." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6944] This will happen when: “... Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die ...” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] and as a result only: “Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the charactertistics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil.” [Ref: Muslim B41, H 7023] “... and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them.” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] then shaytan will come to them: “... in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols ...” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H 7023] “And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] and their idoltory would be in spite of of the fact that: “... they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives.” [Ref: Muslim B41, H 7023] “Then only the worst of men will remain to be overwhelmed by the Hour.” [Ref: Muslim, B20, H4721] and as a result of spreading of Shirk all over the earth: “Then the trumpet would be blown and no one would hear that but he would bend his neck to one side (i.e. die) ...” [Ref: Muslim B 41, H 7023]

What ever I have written above is drawn from these ahadith. It will help you if you actually read the entire ahadith from this site:

http://www.searchtruth.com/hadith_books.php

I only quoted parts which were more important onces you read the ahadith in their fullness you will understand all these ahadith are related to each other.
 

"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the women of the tribe of Daus would be seen going round Dhi al-Khalasa (for worship) and Dhi al-Khalasa is a place in tabala, where there was a temple in which the people of the tribe of Daus used to worship the idol." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6944]

Narrated Thawban, ... will destroy another section, and a section will captivate another section. I am afraid about my community of those leaders who will lead astray. When the sword is used among my people, it will not be withdrawn from them till the Day of Resurrection, and the Last Hour will not come before the tribes of my people attach themselves to the polytheists and tribes of my people worship idols. There will be among my people thirty great liars each of them assertinf that he is (Allah's) prophet, whereas I am the Seal of the Prophets after whom (me) there will be no prophet; and a section of my people will continue to hold to the truth - (according to Ibn 'Isa's version: (will continue to dominate) - the agreed version goes: "and will not be injured by those who oppose them, till Allah's command comes." [Ref: Abu Dawood, B30, H4239]

'A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza. I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: "He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it)", it implies that is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945]

“... I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the charactertistics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil. Then the satan would come to them in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols but, in spite of this, they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives. Then the trumpet ...” [Ref: Muslim B 41, H 7023]

“... A group of people from my Umma will continue to fight in obedience to the Command of Allah, remaining dominant over their enemies. Those who will oppose them shall not do them any harm. They will remain in this condition until the Hour overtakes them. (At this) 'Abdullah said: Yes. Then Allah will raise a wind which will be fragrant like musk and whose touch will be like the touch of silk; (but) it will cause the death of all (faithful) persons, not leaving behind a single person with an iota of faith in his heart. Then only the worst of men will remain to be overwhelmed by the Hour.” [Ref: Muslim, B20, H4721]

 

Muhammed Ali Razavi

Edited 13 جون 2013 by MuhammedAli

[MuhammedAli]

 mien yahan per talib ilm ki hasiyat say hee ata hooon. or mera maksad yahan per ilm seekhna hee hay. or mien kisi ahle khabsee ya deogandi ko khud say kuch reply nahi kerta. bulkay app jaisay ilmi hazrat say rujoo kerta hooon. jo app boltay ho to wohi baaat agay bolta hoooon. or khud bhi samjhta hooon kay aisa kiun hay or waisa kiun hay. or jo galiyaaan day rahey hotay hien muhj say berdasht nahi hoti kay kisi sunni ko kuch bola jai. 

 

ab muhjay app say aik point mila. kay sunan abu daoon ki jo hadith hay . AHLE KHABEEES nay gahlat tajerma keeya hay. us may BAAZ QABAIL ka ziker hee nahi hay. srif QABAIL ka ziker hay. or muhjay pata hay kay mien jub ya boloon ga kay hadith may BAAZ ka word kahan say agaya to us ko sabit kernay ki koshish karien gay. kay hadith may word BAAZ  hay. phir app ki rehnumai chahiya hogi. is terhan mien khud bhi seekhooon ga or un ko moo tor jawab bhi day sakooon ga. kul ko kisi rishtay daar may , dostoon may , job per koi bhi kuch bhi bolay ga atleast moo bund ker wa sakoon ga. kiun kay SHIRK SHIRK soun ker her koi tung agaya hay.

 

 

ALLAH app ko jaza khair ata fermai. 

Baee hadith per baaz kee takhsees aur hadisoon kay saboot kay mutabiq kee ja sakti heh jesay meh nay kee heh. Magar hadith meh lafz baaz mojood nahin. Asal behas woh yeh heh kay hawa chalnay say pehlay Ummat kay chand qabail Shirk e akbar kay murtaqib hoon gay ya baad meh.

 

Wahhabi asal meh is behas ko is leyeh chirtay hen keun kay woh Musalmanoon ko bilkhasoos Ahle Sunnat ko Mushrik mantay hen aur buttoon kee pooja, qabroon kee pooja kernay walay yehni Ahle Shirk tehratay hen. Is ilzaam ko mad e nazr rakh ker hamara jawab hota heh kay RasooolAllah kay farman kay mutabiq Ummat meh mujmohi tor per hawa chalnay pehlay shirk nahin hoga aur Ahle Sunnat sawad e azam hen is leyeh yeh ilzam ghalat heh. Aur bicharay is ka jawab ka rad nahin ker saktay keun kay Ahle Sunnat majority hen thay aur inshallah rahen gay aur majority kay haq honay per saboot bot hen hadith meh.

 

Dosra misaal kay tor per sab dalahil o baraheen ko chor deeya jahay aur bilfarz maan leeya jahay kay Ummat kay chand qabahil hawa chalnay say pehlay buttoon Uzza aur Lat, aur Daws kay butt kee pooja keren gay toh Wahhabi'at ko faida kia heh? Is meh toh sirf chand qabail ka Uzza, Lat, aur Dhi al Khalasa kay butt kee pooja ka zikr heh is say yeh qiyaas kesay jaiz tor per keeya ja sakta heh kay Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat Shirk kay murtaqib hen? RasoolAllah ka farman heh kay meri Ummat meh Shirk nahin hoga, aur joh logh Shirk keren gay yehni Lat, Uzza, Dhi Al Khalasa kee ibadat keren gay aur khuda maneh gay un ka zikr RasoolAllah (sallalahu alayhi was'salam) nay ker deeya. RasoolAllah (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) ka baqi Ummat kay baray meh kuch nah farmana yeh saboot heh kay woh Shirk nahin keray gee warna Wahhabiyoon kee tera RasoolAllah (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) keh saktay thay kay Ummat meh qabroon kee pooja hogi, Hindustani qabroon kee pooja keren gay, Arab qabroon kee pooja keren gay, aur baqi sab qabroon kee pooja keren gay waghera, waghera. Jis cheez nay hona thah RasoolAllah (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) nay us kay mutaliq farma deeya kay is nay hona heh aur jis nay hona hee nahin us kay mutaliq Wahhabi apni shaytani qiyaas say buttoon, Lat, Uzza wali ahadith ham per chispan ker rahay hen.

 

Yeh logh parlay darjay kay jahil hen. Allah ta'ala ka karam heh kay us nay mujjay in jahiloon kee jahalat aur kharijiyat per say door keeya aur ahle sunnat kay maslak ko qabool kernay kee tofeeq deeh. Meh bee in chavloon kee tera qiyasat aur apni man-garat kissoon say musalmanoon ko kaffir, mushrik kehnay wala thah in ahadith kee bunyad per magar Allah ka karam huwa kay us nay apnay karam say meh Quran aur hadith samajnay laga aur in paleedoon ki zindiqiyat per ba khabr hota gaya.

 

Aap in say yeh behas nah keren kay hawa kay chalnay say pehlay Lat, Uzza, Dhi Al Khalasa kee pooja ho sakti heh ya nahin balkay yeh poochen kay agar yeh pehlay ho gaya  ya ho sakti heh toh phir aap ko is say hasil kia huwa? Aur phir joh jawab denh us per meray uper wali girift pesh kren, in sha Allah qayamat ahay Wahhabi ko maqool jawab nahin ahay ga.

 

Wama alayna ilal balaghul mubeen.

Muhammed Ali Razavi

[Smart Ali]

Salam

hazrat app nay jo point note kerwaya tha kay BAAZ ka word hadith may nahi hay. jub mien nay hadith ki kitab check ki to hamaray haan bhi BAAZ ka word tha. app ko mien scan page dayta hoon. analyze ker lien

 

 

ab app nay ya kaha kay ager hawa chalnay say pehlay ki bhi baat ho to is say kiya sabit kerna chahatay hien?

wo is say ya sabit kerna chahatay hien kay ummat muhammadiya shirk ker sakti hay. is chees ko brailveeeh hazraat maan lien.

[MuhammedAli]

Salam

hazrat app nay jo point note kerwaya tha kay BAAZ ka word hadith may nahi hay. jub mien nay hadith ki kitab check ki to hamaray haan bhi BAAZ ka word tha. app ko mien scan page dayta hoon. analyze ker lien

 

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ab app nay ya kaha kay ager hawa chalnay say pehlay ki bhi baat ho to is say kiya sabit kerna chahatay hien?

wo is say ya sabit kerna chahatay hien kay ummat muhammadiya shirk ker sakti hay. is chees ko brailveeeh hazraat maan lien.

Ap nay agar peri post ko pera hota toh maloom hota kay baaz kee behas nahin heh, keun kay baaz kee takhsees mojood heh. Asal mozoo yeh thah kay hawa kay chalnay say pehlay Shirk hona. Aur hawa kay chalnay say pehlay Shirk hona Ummat e Imani kay leyeh sabat nahin. Magar hawa kay chalnay kay baad Ummat e Arabia ghair muslim bachay gee ... baqi tafseel neechay perh lenh.

 

Part One:

 

This will happen when: “... Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die ...” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] and as a result only: “Only the wicked people would survive and they would be as careless as birds with the charactertistics of beasts. They would never appreciate the good nor condemn evil.” [Ref: Muslim B41, H 7023] “... and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them.” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] then shaytan will come to them: “... in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols ...” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H 7023] “And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] Rasulallah (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) said: “... and the Last Hour will not come before the tribes of my people attach themselves to the polytheists and tribes of my people worship idols.” [Ref: Abu Dawood, B30, H4239] in another hadith he explicitly stated about worship of specific idols; Lat and Uzza: “The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza.” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] In another hadith Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) mentioned a particular tribe worshipping a particular idol: “... the women of the tribe of Daus would be seen going round Dhi al-Khalasa (for worship) and ..." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6944] and their idoltory would be in spite of of the fact that: “... they would have abundance of sustenance and lead comfortable lives.” [Ref: Muslim B41, H 7023] “Then only the worst of men will remain to be overwhelmed by the Hour.” [Ref: Muslim, B20, H4721] and as a result of spreading of Shirk all over the earth: “Then the trumpet would be blown and no one would hear that but he would bend his neck to one side (i.e. die) ...” [Ref: Muslim B 41, H 7023] This establishes that believing Ummah will not revert back to idolatry but after the blowing of musky wind the remaining people will be kaffirs and it will be this non-believing Ummah which will revert back to idolatory under the guidance of shaytaan.

 

Part Two:

 

“Behold, he said to his father: "O my father! why worship that which heareth not and seeth not, and can profit thee nothing?” [Ref: 19:42] Question is what did the Ummah of Ibrahim (alayhis salam) as well as Azhar worshipped: "Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: "Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error." [Ref: 6:74] Its established the Mushrikeen worshipped the idols which Ibrahim (alayhis salam) likened to worship of Satan: "O my father! Worship not Satan: for Satan is a rebel against Ar'Rahman (i.e. Allah the most Gracious).” [Ref: 19:44] And in another verse worship of idol godesses as been termed worship of Satan: “(The Mushrikeen) leaving Him call but upon (i.e. yad'una) godesses: They call but upon satan the persistent rebel!” [Ref: 4:117] Conclusion is that when Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) in Quran says Satan worship it means Idol worship. Now pay attention to words of Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam): "Jabir reported: I heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshippers would ever worship (him) in the peninsula of Arabia, but he (is hopeful) that he would sow the seed of dissension amongst them." [Ref: Muslim, B39, H6752] In the Quranic context of; Idol worship being Satan worship, or other way round; Satan worship being Idol worship, the statement of Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) narrated in the hadith: "... the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshippers would ever worship (him) in the peninsula of Arabia, ..." [Ref: Muslim, B39, H6752] means: "... the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshippers would ever worship Idols in the peninsula of Arabia, ..." Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) completely negated the possibility of Idol worship taking place Arabian peninsula but there are ahadith which indicate that Idol worship will take place. So we harmonize the both set of ahadith and make takhsees on the basis of evidence available. Therefore the statement of Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) means; in Arabian peninsula there will be no idol worship until all the believers die and this is explained by Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) in a hadith: "A'isha reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: "The (system) of night and day would not end until the people have taken to the worship of Lat and 'Uzza (in Arabian peninsula). I said: Allah's Messenger, I think when Allah has revealed this verse: "He it is Who has sent His Messenger with right guidance, and true religion, so that He may cause it to prevail upon all religions, though the polytheists are averse (to it)", it implies that is going to be fulfilled. Thereupon he (Allah's Apostle) said: It would happen as Allah would like. Then Allah would send the sweet fragrant air by which everyone who has even a mustard grain of faith in Him would die and those only would survive who would have no goodness in them. And they would revert to the religion of their forefathers." [Ref: Muslim, B41, H6945] They the surviving kafirs will not revert to idol worship until shaytan will go to them: “... in human form and would say: Don't you respond? And they would say: What do you order us? And he would command them to worship the idols ...” [Ref: Muslim, B41, H 7023]they will do as Shaytan will ask of them and then the prophesy of: “... and the Last Hour will not come before the [Kafir] tribes of my people attach themselves to the polytheists and tribes of my people worship idols.” [Ref: Abu Dawood, B30, H4239] would be fullfilled.

 

Conclusion:

 

There is no evidence what so ever that the believing Ummah of Prophet (sallalahu alayhi was'sallam) or believing tribes of Muslims will become Mushrikeen. Rather the evidence of Quran and Hadith is clear on the fact that only after the blowing of musky wind the believing people of Arabian peninsula will die. Those left behind will be Kafirs and to this non-beleiving Ummah the Satan will come and ask them to worship the Idols as a result they will comply. At this point after the blowing of wind the idol worship will return to Arabian peninsula but not before this.

[MuhammedAli]

As-Salamu alayqum wr wb

brother due to your persistant bugging me, about which i was this happy , lol. I have decided to write a article specificly adressing some points which were raised here and establishing the position of the Ahle Sunnat will absolutely clear evidences. Thank you for bugging me   you have brought some new ideas to my dormant and inactive minds with which I can establish the position of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat with concrete evidence. Now please just give me few hours and you will have the smackdown on your Wahhabi debater nor the others will be able to reply, insha'allah.

The articles will be titled:

- Believing Or Non-beleiving, Arab Or Non-Arab, Which Ummah Will Worship Idols?

- Major Shirk Will Only Occur After Blowing Of Fragrant Musky Wind.

- The Destruction Preceding Day Of Judgement Will Be Established Upon Kafirs & Mushrikeen.

 

Two more articles comming within day or two.

Muhammed Ali Razavi

Edited 16 جون 2013 by MuhammedAli

[Smart Ali]

plzzz write the article in URdu or Roman English

[MuhammedAli]

plzzz write the article in URdu or Roman English

 

I have already written three quaters of material in English. The most important part of the material is already present above in post 15.

[MuhammedAli]

Here is the lattest article it quotes a explicit hadith in which it is stated after the blowing of wind all the muslims will die:

http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/21032-believing-arab-or-non-beleiving-arab-which-ummah-will-worship-idols/

Mahirbani ker kay aap yeh link un ko pesh keren aur challenge deh ker kahen kay is ka radd ker dekhahen. Is article per un kay ihtirazat kee bunyaad ko mandam ho chuki hen.

Khadam nay sabat keeya kay  Yeh ahadith Arab kaffiroon kay baray meh hen, Arab Kaffir mushrik ho jain gay, Is hadith ka misdaq musalman nahin ho saktay. aur yeh be sabat ker deeya heh kay meri ummat kay ilfaz say ummat e muslima nahin balkay woh ummat heh jis kee taraf behja gaya.

Edited 16 جون 2013 by MuhammedAli

[MuhammedAli]

Already Available On English Section Of Forum:

- Believing Or Non-beleiving, Arab Or Non-Arab, Which Ummah Will Worship Idols?

- Major Shirk Will Only Occur After Blowing Of Fragrant Musky Wind.

- Rejionder: Did/will Ummah Fall Into Shirk & Worship Ghairullah?

- Prophet's Entire Ummah Protected From Shirk Or His Immediate Fallowers?

- Muslims Will Not Fall Into Idolatry In Arabia.

- Did Ummah Fall Into Shirk And Worship Others Besides Allah?

- Explained: "satan Lost All Hopes That The Worshippers Would Ever Worship Him ..."

Fallowing Articles Are In Progress:

- The Destruction Preceding Day Of Judgement Will Be Established Upon Kafirs & Mushrikeen.

 

- Alayqum Of; I Am Not Afraid That You Would Associate With Allah Or You Will Worship Others, Is For Ummah.

- Kitab ut-Tawheed: “Some People Of This Ummah Will Worship Idols.”

 

Edited 19 جون 2013 by MuhammedAli

[MuhammedAli]

 

The Promised Destruction Preceeding Day Of Judgement Will Be Upon Kafirs & Mushrikeen.

[MuhammedAli]

 

The Justification For Collective Punishment Of Disbelievers & Polytheists Mankind After The Blowing Of Wind.

[MuhammedAli]

Salam

hazrat app nay jo point note kerwaya tha kay BAAZ ka word hadith may nahi hay. jub mien nay hadith ki kitab check ki to hamaray haan bhi BAAZ ka word tha. app ko mien scan page dayta hoon. analyze ker lien

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ab app nay ya kaha kay ager hawa chalnay say pehlay ki bhi baat ho to is say kiya sabit kerna chahatay hien?

wo is say ya sabit kerna chahatay hien kay ummat muhammadiya shirk ker sakti hay. is chees ko brailveeeh hazraat maan lien.

 

Wahhabiyoon ka aqeedah heh kay musalman ummat, Arabi aur Ajmi Shirk meh hawa kay chalnay say pehlay hee Shirk e akbar kay murtaqib huway hen. Khadam nay hadith say sabat keeya heh kay joh Ummat Shirk keray gee woh awal toh Arab hoon gay aur dosra Kafir hoon gay aur tesra yeh Shirk us waqt hoga jab saray Musalman mar chukay hoon gay. Yeh sab tafseel is article meh mojood heh:

 

Believing Arab Or Non_Believing Arab - Which Ummah Will Worship Idols?

 

Wahhabi la jawab hen aur rahen gay.

Edited 20 جولائی 2013 by MuhammedAli

[MuhammedAli]

 

brailveeh bhai app nay Sahih Muslim ki hadith paish ki.  jis may likha hay kay aik hawa chalay gi jis kay baad koi momin nahi bachay ga.

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phir  app nay kaha us hawa kay baaad loog shirk may mubtilah hongay. us say pehlay nahi.

SAWAL:

 

1, us kay baad ager shirk may mubtilah hongay to sunan abu daud ki hadith may ya kiun kaha gaya kay BAAZ QABIL muhsrikeen sa ja milien gay. jub koi momim musalman bachay ga hee nahi to nabi pak    ko ya kehna chahiya tha kay mayri poori ummat shirk may mubtilah ho jai gi. baaaz ka kiun kaha?

 

2, sunan abu daud ki hadith say ya pata chalta hay kay BAAZ QABAIL shirk karien gay. is ka matlab howa bohat say nahi karien gay to sabit howa kay ya shirk wali baaat hawa chalnay wali say pehlay ki ho rahi hay. na kay baad may. kiun kay hawa chalnay kay baad to koi momini bachay ga hee nahi.

 

sunan abu daud ki hadith bhi paish ker dayta hooon:

 

mien nay ya kub kaha kay qabail kay naam lien. app kay mutabiq to hawa chalnay kay baad sub mushrik ho jaien gay to poori UMMAT ka lafz use ker laytay.

 

 

Meh samajta hoon kay meray in char English articles meh khadam nay Ahle Sunnat kay mowaqif ko achi tera wazia keeya heh. Yeh do articles joh hen in meh mowaqif kee bunyad awal Quran say sabat kee gahi heh:

 

- The Promised Destruction Preceeding Day Of Judgement Will Be Upon Kafirs & Mushrikeen.

- The Justification For Collective Punishment Of Disbelievers & Polytheists Mankind After The Blowing Of Wind.

In do articles meh khadam nay tafseelan hadith say sabat keeya heh kay ghair Musalman Arab woh butt parasti meh paren gay aur Shirk e akbar ummat e Muslim meh nahin hoga, balkay Arab Ummat meh hoga:

 

- Believing Or Non-beleiving, Arab Or Non-Arab, Which Ummah Will Worship Idols?

 

- Major Shirk Will Only Occur After Blowing Of Fragrant Musky Wind.

 

Abh aatay hen aap kay sawalat kee taraf:

 

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1, us kay baad ager shirk may mubtilah hongay to sunan abu daud ki hadith may ya kiun kaha gaya kay BAAZ QABIL muhsrikeen sa ja milien gay. jub koi momim musalman bachay ga hee nahi to nabi pak    ko ya kehna chahiya tha kay mayri poori ummat shirk may mubtilah ho jai gi. baaaz ka kiun kaha?

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1) Jin ko hadith meh 'Ummat kay qabail' kaha gaya heh un say muraad 'Arab kafiroon meh say woh qabail murad hen joh hawa chalnay kay bad Mushrik ho jahen gay.' Is wazahat say joh aap nay criticism pesh keeya: "momim musalman bachay ga hee nahi to nabi pak    ko ya kehna chahiya tha kay mayri poori ummat shirk may mubtilah ho jai gi. baaaz ka kiun kaha?" us ka radd be ho gaya. Keun kay baaz Araboon kee takhsees dunya kay musalman say nahin balkay Arab Kafiron say heh, yehni Kafir Araboon meh say baaz Shirk kee taraf jahen gay aur butt parasti keren gay, Lat, Uzza, Manat, Dhi Al Khalasa etc kee ibadat keren gay.

 

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2, sunan abu daud ki hadith say ya pata chalta hay kay BAAZ QABAIL shirk karien gay. is ka matlab howa bohat say nahi karien gay to sabit howa kay ya shirk wali baaat hawa chalnay wali say pehlay ki ho rahi hay. na kay baad may. kiun kay hawa chalnay kay baad to koi momini bachay ga hee nahi.

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Kafir Arab Ummat say baaz qabail ka Shirk kernay say yeh har giz daleel nahin lee ja sakti keh yeh hawa chalnay say pehlay hoga. Jis bunyad per aap nay yeh qiyaas keeya us ko jawab number 1 meh hee radd ker deeya ja chuka heh. Yaqeenan hawa chalnay kay baad kohi momin nahin bachay ga. Magar yeh mominoon say Mushrik hona nahin yeh Arab Kafiroon say baaz ka Mushrik hona heh. Aur is leyeh RasoolAllah nay farmaya: "Aur qayamat us waqt taq qaim nahin hogi jab taq meri [Arab Kafir] ummat kay kuch qabail mushrikoon say nah mil jahen aur yahan taq hoga kay meri [Arab Kafir] ummat kay kuch qabil button kee pooja keren gay."  Is leyeh aap ka qiyaas batal heh joh bila daleel heh aur khadam kay mowaqif per alhamdulillah bot say ahadith hen joh meh nay pesh keeyeh hen articles me.

 

Ja al haq wazaqal batil

 

Muhammed Ali Razavi

[MuhammedAli]

Another article attacking the source of this heretical belief that Muslim Ummah will worship idols or is worshipping idols:

Truth About Kitab Ut-Tawheed’S Chapter: “Some People Of This Ummah Will Worship Idols.”

This is refutation to Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab's book Kitab at-Tawheed. He was the first person to start this fitna that Ummah is worshiping idols. No one accused the Muslims of worshiping idols before this shaytaan. Even the Khawarij accused Muslims of commiting Shirk but not accused anyone of worshipping idols etc ....