پیرسیدجماعت علی شاہ اور گستاخ دیوبندیوں کی تکفیر

[imhanfi]

Khalil Rana.

 

1)- Ap ki es baat say tu Moulana Abdul Bari Farhangi tu kafir hogay kunkay unhoon nay ebarat dekhi Aur Ahmed Raza nay unko kuch example b dein magar wo na manay.

 

2) Ahmed Raza nay dosti ka lehaz rakha aur kufir ka fatwa na diya Moulana k khalaf. kia ye eshaq-e- Rasool ha??? dosti bar gay Hazrat Muhammad k ishaq say.

 

Khalil Rana agar main ap ka dost ban jaoon tu ap phir apnay Majadad ki sunnat ko follow kartay howay muj par fatwa nahe doogay na.

[alSaifiya]

yar muje koi un 4 Deoband Ulma kay name bata sakta hai jinko kafir kaha gaya hai?

or kia baqi saray Deoband sahi hain?

Rizwan Sahib main aap se ek mukhlisana baat karta hoon .

 

aap mujhay yeh batain ke jin ibaraat pe fatway lagay aap un se to waqif hi hon ge na . main apko ek baat bataoon yeh jo jang aaj lag gayi hai yeh bohot logon mein ghalat fehmi barha rahi hai hum log yeh nahin kehtay ke saray Deobandi kafir hain kiyunkeh bich mein najanay kitnay to aisay hain ke jo sadah log hain jinko patah bhi nahin asal jang kis cheez ki hai .

 

lekin un ibaraat ko jin mein Nauzbillah Allah ke Habib ke Ilme Ghaib ki janwaron se tashbih de ke toheen ki gayi Sarkar e Do Alam ki khatme nabuwat ka Nauzbillah inkaar kiya gaya jis ko qadiyaniyon tak ne dalil bana dala aur aisi ibaraat jin mein Nauzbillah Nabi e Kareem ke Ilam ko Shaitan aur Malakul mot se kam kaha gaya kya jo in baton ka defend kar ke inko sahi kahay aur apnay molviyon ka naam na lenay de woh Musalman hai ?? in mein Nabi Paak ki sakhat toheen hai aur jo in se itefaq karay ya inko sahih sabit karnay ki koshish karay mehaz is liye ke yeh mere maktabah e fikar ke molviki ibarat hai Kafir hai kiyunkeh us ne us ke Kuffar ko kuffer na manna aur Gustakhi se itefaaq kiya .

Har koi nare marta hai ke Ghulam hain Ghulam hain Rasool ke Ghulam hain to phir Gustakhon ki Gustakhiyan Huzoor Salalaho Alyehi Waslam ki Muhabat se zayda aziz kiyun hon ? kiyon ? Kalma Madinay Walay ka Parhtay hain Durood Madinay Walay pe bhejtay hain hata ke kal Hashar ke din bhi gardan Jhukaye usi Paak Hasti se shafat ki guzarish kartay hon ge toh phir aaj unke Gustakh humain kiyun unki Tazeem aur Muhabat se agay hon?? kya yeh Mehaz Firqa wariyat nahin aur aisi aag nahin jis mein na janay kitnay kood ke apnay Imaan barbaad kar chukay hain .

Tajjub hai ke Arab o Ajam ke Ulema e Haq ko un Ibarat mein Kuffar dikha aur Gustakhi dikhi likin kuch log na jane kiyun unka Diffa kartay hain aur apni Akhirat Barbaad kar detay hain .

 

Main aapko aik baat kehta hoon aap kisi ki na sunain aap khud se Hassam ul Harmain aur al Muhanad khareedain dono samnay rakh ke mutaliya karain aur jin jin Ibaraat pe Fatway lagay hain woh bhi check karain khud se aapko Haq nazar aajaye ga aur Makkari kis ne ki hai aur haqeqat kya hai yeh bhi dikh jaye ga .

 

Main Wallahi yeh sab batain Maslaki jang ke bais nahin keh raha balkeh aapko Dawat deta hoon tehqiq aur fiqar ki . aap pe lazam hai ke tehqeeq karain Haq ki khud se kisi doosray ki baat na sunain Haq ko khud talash karain Allah se Dua karien ke woh Subhana hu Wataala aapki Rehnumayi farmaye .

 

Allah Paak Sab ko Hidayat farmaye aur is Aag se sab ko Mehfooz rakhay aur Gustakh e Rasool se Dushmani karnay ki tofeeq aata farmaye .

 

Ameen

 

agar koi ghalti kotahi hui ho toh mazrat khawa hoon sab se aur Allah Paak se Tobah karta hoon .

[Rizwan Q]

Rizwan Sahib main aap se ek mukhlisana baat karta hoon .

 

 

Main Wallahi yeh sab batain Maslaki jang ke bais nahin keh raha balkeh aapko Dawat deta hoon tehqiq aur fiqar ki . aap pe lazam hai ke tehqeeq karain Haq ki khud se kisi doosray ki baat na sunain Haq ko khud talash karain Allah se Dua karien ke woh Subhana hu Wataala aapki Rehnumayi farmaye .

 

yaar ap tehqeeq ki baat na kareen to acha hai....kion kay ap loog jo bid'aat kartay hain un per agar tehqeeq ki jae to Na Nabi S.A.A.W. kay daor me na Sahaba kay doar me or na hi Imam Abu hanifa kay doar me oska koi wajood milta hai...

khair ye topic se hat kar baat ho jae gi is leye isko yahi rehne dain. or ap apna kaam kareen me apna kam karr raha hoon

thnx

[alSaifiya]

yaar ap tehqeeq ki baat na kareen to acha hai....kion kay ap loog jo bid'aat kartay hain un per agar tehqeeq ki jae to Na Nabi S.A.A.W. kay daor me na Sahaba kay doar me or na hi Imam Abu hanifa kay doar me oska koi wajood milta hai...

khair ye topic se hat kar baat ho jae gi is leye isko yahi rehne dain. or ap apna kaam kareen me apna kam karr raha hoon

thnx

Aisay hi aap logon ke brain wash kiye jatay hain takeh apni history aur kartootain kya hain un ka pata hi na chal sakay .

 

Janab aap jin ko bidatain keh rahay hain woh toh 1400 salon se aa rahi hain aap sab se pehlay apnay molviyon ke Peer Haji Imdad Ullah Muhajir Makki Sahib Rehmatullah Alye ka Aqeeda check karain . asal mein wahan tak baat theek hai nichay se Biddati paida hue . Main kal Ja'al Haq parh raha tha Pakistan se mangwayi hai toh us mein starting mein ek cheez parh ke mujhay bohot tajjub hua ke Nabi Paak ne Hadis mein Najad ke Baray mein " Qarn Shaitan " ka lafaz farmaya uska urdu mein Tarjuma "DEOBAND " banta hai Qarn manne Group "band" aur Shaitaan " Deo " aap sheikh najdi Maloon ke perokaar hain . aap log danday ki zubaan hi samjhtay hai zara sa payar dikhao to akrtay hain .

khair chaliye theek hai main apna kaam karta hoon aap apna kijiye waisay aap logon ki Biddat ki defination bilkul ghalat hai agar us ki roshni mein aap ko bhi dekha jaye toh aapka kabara nikal jaye ga . khair yahan mozu kuch aur hai .

Aaap ka toh kya zaya hua main ne apna hi waqt zaya kiya . main samjha shayad aapko yeh nahin pata fatway kiyun lagay is liye baat ki .

hum bhi rah dekhtay hain aap bhi dekhiye .

[imhanfi]

Khalil Rana sahab

 

Mujy ap k jawab k intazar ha

[Khalil Rana]

[imhanfi]

Khalil Rana Sahab,

 

Ye kisi deoband ki book nahe jis ka hawala mujy say mang rahay ho balkay barelvi book ha. Aur professor Masoud mahray rizwiyat kay comments b majood hain.

 

Lehaz es book ki roshni main jawab dyain. Moulana Adul Kafir howay yan nahe. yan phir professor ko muotbar mannay say inkar kardain.

Edited 4 فروری 2011 by imhanfi

[Usman.Hussaini]

Usman Hussani, maira question ap say nahe tha. magar phir b main ap ko jawab dayta hoon. Pir Sahab k betay nay dini taleem hasal ki aur saeedi sahab nay es k defa main kafiroon aur shitan wali baat kardi WAHA ray waha kia talmal kia saeedi nay. esko kahtain hain acha munazar bas apni baat k jawab dyna ha chahy kuch b kahdoo. Pir sahab k betay nay Ahades ki sanad hasal ki thi koe computer programing nahe seki thi USMAN sahab qurban jaoon ap k jawab par. phir aj ap aik aur baat mangay k waqia he HASAMUL HARAMAN ko kuch pezarae hasal nahe thi jo pir sahab tak ko pata nahe tha k aisi b koe book ha. Aur harat ha k sirf Ahmed Raza he ko deoband k gustakh honay pata chala pir sahab aur unkay bety Ulm haq k sath ray b unsay paray b magar fazool kuch pata na chalay. aur pir b barelvion k pir hain. Aur ahmed raza itna intelgent k kabi mila be nahe aur sab santa tha. aur pir sahab aur unkay bety k tou ye alam tha k jab Ahmed raza ki book pari aur bataya gaya tu tab pata chalay warna unki to itni ilmi hasiyat nahe thi k pata chalta. Uman sahab ap pir sahab ki khud insult kar rahay ho. 1) QUESTion=====Kiya ap saboot de sakty hain ky Peer Sahab ky baity key ustado me KAFIR deobandi mulla bhe shamil the? Jawab====== Aj ap man gay darul uloom deoband aur Ulma Deoband musalman hain aur Mahmood Ul Hassan Deoband b musalman thy eslia sanad unsay hasal ki ALLAH Akabar. Sarbakaf sar buland deoband deoband.

 

Ap meray jawab ko tavaju se perhty tu samjh ata.Khair damagh me deo ya aqal ek he chees a sakte hay.

 

Ap ne pocha tha;

 

1) Did we get religious education from Kafir,

 

Mera jawab

 

Jawab: Not Quran & Hadees.

Per Islami institue me Quran o Hadees ky ilawa dosray asre uloom bhe prahe jatay hain.

agar Islami Institue me kisi Kafir se Computer perh leya jaey ,,,,,ya kisi Hindu se Hindi perh le jae tu is me kiya muzaika ha.

 

Is jawab me ye kahan se sabit hota hey k meiny kaha ho key Peer Sahab key baitay Computer ke taleem Deoband me hasil kertay the.

Ap meray two last questions ke sawalat kion dena bhool gaey??

 

Ap ne meray pehlay sawal k jawab say ye kis terh akhaz ker leya ky Mehmood ul Hassan deobandi muslaman tha (Kiya ap ko us ka Juhd ul Muql me likha kufr nazar nahi aya).

 

Peer Sahab ka deobandio ky kufr per shoro say he agah na hona qabil e aiteraz nahi.Us zamanay me kab itne communication advancement the ky deo ky pilly kuch likahy oor har sunni alim jaan jaey. Mojada zaminay ke advancement key bawajood bhe har shaks ko har baray chotay mamlay ke maloomat hasil nahi ho pati..

 

Asal baat ye ky Jab Peer Sahab oor unke baitay ko Kufriat e Deoband Ulma ka ilm howa tu unhe nay forun Kufr ka fatwa de diya.Ye is baat ke clear daleel hay ky Peer sahab oor unke baitay Aswarim ul Hindiya ky through Deobandi ulma ke kufriyat se agah howay.

Deobandio key ghar se he gawahi daikhain.jab tak inn deobandio ky tasleem shuda Peer Sahab ko Thanvi ky kufr per agahi nahi the us waqt tak fatwa nahi,per jaisey he Thanvi ky kufr per mutala howay foran Thanvi ka janazah nikal diya.

 

 

Agar app ab bhe mutmin nahi tu ye batain kiya jab Peer Sahab(RA) oor unke baiaty ne Kufr fatwa deya us ke baad unke baitay ny kisi gustakh Deobandi alim se taleem hasil ke ho.

 

Mei app ke two remaining qs ky to the point answers ka bhe muntazir hon.

posted again"

 

Kiya Deoband me taleem ky leay admission hasil kerny walon ko 4 Kafir molvio key baray me pore sachi tafseel bataey jate hay?

 

Wahabiat ka kiya hukm hy us shaks ko perhanay me jo unhe Gustakh o Kafir (Wajib ul Qatal) qarar deta ho?

[imhanfi]

Usman Dear,

 

Itni lambi chor post na kiya harain.

 

just tell me, Pir sahab nay sirf ebarat ki waja say takfir ki, kun k agar ageedy ki waja hoti tu biaty ko dakhil he na karwatay. it mean deoband k aqeedy correct hain sirf pahda ibarate k ha.?? short sa jawab dain. aur bahtar ha chup he rahain jab tak mairi khalil rana say baat khatam nahe ho jati

[Usman.Hussaini]

Mr meray sawalat ka jawab deain.bongiya marnay se ap ky aiterzat ke imarat gir chuke hay.

 

Deobandi mazhab se ikhtilaf shuru he taqwiat ul Eman oor 4 molvio key Kufriya ibarat se howa. os ke baad anay wale unka difaa kerny me mazeed kufr kertay rahay.

 

jaisy Mehmood ul Hassan ny Yakrozi ky diffa me Juhd ul Muqal likhy oor mazeed Kufr bak diya.

 

manzoor nomani ny Hifzul Eman ky difa ke koshish me khud he thanvi ko kafir maan leya.

 

AlMuhanad me asal ibarat me tehreef kerna bhe Ghar ke gawahi hay ky four deobandi molvi pakaay KAFIR the.

[imhanfi]

Usman Sahab,

 

Moulana Abdul Bari Farangi nay hefzil Iman ki ibarat ka defa kia, scan page upper attached ha book b barelvi aur attestation b mahray rizwiyat ki, batain kia fatwa ha yahan par.

 

 

[Khalil Rana]

[Usman.Hussaini]

Usman Sahab,

 

Moulana Abdul Bari Farangi nay hefzil Iman ki ibarat ka defa kia, scan page upper attached ha book b barelvi aur attestation b mahray rizwiyat ki, batain kia fatwa ha yahan par.

 

 

Maire sawalat ke to the point jawabat denay sey tu Deo ke bolti band ho gaey

 

Ap ney jo scan paish kiya hay agar us ko ap khud he ghoor se pharty tu umeed hay k aiteraz he nahi kertay.

 

1-Ek he page me Thanvi aor digar gustakhana Ibarat ke qail ko Kafir bhi tasleem kiya hay & Kufr ka inkar bhi kiya gaya hay. Jo is baat ke roshan daleel hay ky ye composing & proof reading ke ghalati hey.

 

2-Page mey ye clearly mention hey k ye sara waqiya "Fatawa e Mazhari" ke reference sey likha hay. Ab aap oor batil forum walay Fatwa e Mazhari sey iss waqie ka saboot dein.

 

Phir jaise Khalil Rana sab ny mentioned kiya k ye hawala bogus hay. Ye kitab zamana e qareeb ke hay,is leay zaroori hey ky is poray waqae ke sanad AlaHazrat(RA) ke hayat se qareeb wale zamanay me kisi motabar Sunni Alim se sabot ho.

[Saeedi]

فرنگی محلی اور دیوبندی

 

[Usman.Hussaini]

jazak Allah Saeedi Bhai.

 

Beshak Ashraf Ali Thanvi Gustakh o Kafir tha.

[imhanfi]

Saeed Sahab,

 

jo ap nay post kia esmain koe Moulana Fahangi ki apni lekhi hoe book ha???? nahe. kissi dosary ki book say moulana ki baat ki tasdeek nahe hoti.

ye b hosakta ha k. Moulana k biyan ki waja say ye sab kuch barelvi nay khud gara ho. lehaza muolana ki apni book ka hawal pesh karain

[Saeedi]

Saeed Sahab,

 

jo ap nay post kia esmain koe Moulana Fahangi ki apni lekhi hoe book ha???? nahe. kissi dosary ki book say moulana ki baat ki tasdeek nahe hoti.

ye b hosakta ha k. Moulana k biyan ki waja say ye sab kuch barelvi nay khud gara ho. lehaza muolana ki apni book ka hawal pesh karain

جی دیوبندی صاحب

 

آپ ھی اُن فرنگی محلی صاحب کی کسی اپنی کتاب سے

 

اپنی المھند کی تصدیق دکھا دیں۔

 

 

[imhanfi]

Saeedi sahab,

 

Jawab ap k zamay ha. mairay nahe. sabit ap nay karna k unhoon nay takfir ki.

[ExposingNifaq]

Jin k damgh me deo band ho wo shaitan ke terha ziddi he hota hay.Tamam saboot daikh ker bhi mai na mano ke rut tou Ashar Thanvi,Qasim Nantov etc ke gandi adaat rahe.

 

Any way Excellent & superb answer by my Dear Saeedi sahab .

 

Allah ap ky Ilm o Amal me mazeed izafa fermaey. Ameen

[Saeedi]

Saeedi sahab,

 

Jawab ap k zamay ha. mairay nahe. sabit ap nay karna k unhoon nay takfir ki.

 

جس درجے کی عبدالباری سے عدم تکفیر پیش کی گئی تھی

 

اُسی درجے کی تکفیر پیش کر دی گئی ھے۔

 

اب آپ کی مرضی کہ یہاں تعارض کے وقت تساقط کا قول

 

کریں یا تقدیم و تاخیر کا۔

Edited 27 فروری 2011 by Saeedi

[imhanfi]

Saeedi,

 

Moulana Farhangi k biyan k baad sara topi drama rachaya gia, aur wasay b ap loogon ko eski buhat practice ha.

[Qadri Sultani]

جب بندہ لاجواب ہو جائے تو ایسی باتیں کرتا ہے۔

[imhanfi]

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Edited 28 فروری 2011 by Chishti Qadri
علمی جواب دیں،ہمارااور اپنا وقت ضائع نہ کریں۔

[Saeedi]

see post no.31 for some relevant discussion on

My link

Edited 2 مارچ 2011 by Saeedi

[Usman.Hussaini]

Aswarim ul Hindiya & Anwar e Sadaqat per deobandio molvio ky Kufr per Peer Syed Jamat Ali Shah(RA) ke tasdeek per deobandi ny dawa kiya ky ye tasdeek fake hay.

 

Jawab:wahabi molvi is daway ka saboot bhe do.Is daway ky jhoota honay k leay ye he kafi hy ky kisi bhe mustand deobandi alim ny aj tak ye dawa nahi kiya.Jabky Hussam Ul Harmain ke terha Asvarim ul Hindiya bhe bhut mashoor hay.

 

Ise terha Anwar e Sadaqat ke tasdeek per bhe kisi mustand deobandi alim ny fake hony ka dawa nahi kiya.

 

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