پیرسیدجماعت علی شاہ اور گستاخ دیوبندیوں کی تکفیر

[Saeedi]

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[Usman.Hussaini]

Masha Allah.

 

Saeedi sahib ney aek baar phir deobandi fraud ka parda chak ker diya.

[Lhr.Usa]

Please some one answer of below, ye wo question hain jo shahyad ham sab k zehan main atay hain.

1)-Pir Jamat Ali Shah sahab Nay apny bety ko darul uloom deoband study karnay k liya kun bayja kaya unki nazar main koe dosary jamiyan nahe tha.?

2)- AP kay betay ko during study pata na chalay k ye gustakh hain.?

3)- Jitni time wo darul uloom deoband parta rahay kiya tab tak wo moman thy? Ghustakhay Rasool say parnay wala muman hosakta ha jab tak wo tajdeday iman na kar lay (do not have word to explain what to say this term)??

4)- Aur jo ap nay masal di ky jaisay aj kal har kisam k Teachers say bachy partay hain Yaar ye dunyavi taleem ha-----. Agar barelvi student Deoband yan wahabi say parlain kuch muzaika ha yan nahe. AGAR HA TOU KUN aur tab kun na tha

 

 

baki question baad main.

Edited 8 جنوری 2011 by lhrusa

[Usman.Hussaini]

Please some one answer of below, ye wo question hain jo shahyad ham sab k zehan main atay hain.

1)-Pir Jamat Ali Shah sahab Nay apny bety ko darul uloom deoband study karnay k liya kun bayja kaya unki nazar main koe dosary jamiyan nahe tha.?

2)- AP kay betay ko during study pata na chalay k ye gustakh hain.?

3)- Jitni time wo darul uloom deoband parta rahay kiya tab tak wo moman thy? Ghustakhay Rasool say parnay wala muman hosakta ha jab tak wo tajdeday iman na kar lay (do not have word to explain what to say this term)??

4)- Aur jo ap nay masal di ky jaisay aj kal har kisam k Teachers say bachy partay hain Yaar ye dunyavi taleem ha-----. Agar barelvi student Deoband yan wahabi say parlain kuch muzaika ha yan nahe. AGAR HA TOU KUN aur tab kun na tha

 

 

baki question baad main.

 

 

Ans-1:Deoband ka madrassa pehly Moulana Abid Hussain chalaty the.Us waqqt madrasse me mehfil Milad bhe hote the.baad me Qasim Nanotvi na qabza ker k batadreej wahabiat ko mustahkam kiya.Is wajha se bhut arse tak is madrassy ke asaliat har kisi pe ashkar na ho sake.

Ans-2:Peer Syed Jamat Ali ko Deobandio k gustakh e Rasool () hony ka baad me maloom howa.Jab maloom howa ap ne Takfeer ferma de.Ye he Ahle Haqq ka tariqa aor Imtiaz hay

Ans-3:Sarey deo/wahabio ko Ham KAFIR nahi manaty kion ky aksarait ko Gustakhana Aqaid ka ilm he nahi hota.Isky ilawa jin sunnio ky bachey deo/wahabio se perhty hain unhe bhe Deoband ke Gustakhana aqaid ka pata nahi.

Sab se barh ker Deo k bandy perly darje ka makkar hain.ye asal gustakahan aqaid chupati hain. Agar inme Himat hy tu ye Admission form me Gustakhana aqaid shamil ker k logo se sign lean...phir pata chaly ga kitny loog inky pass bachon ko taleem dilwaty hain

[Lhr.Usa]

Mr. Usman

 

Agar ap jawab na deytay tu acha tha.

 

1)-Sari dunyan janti thi k darul uloom deoband kis ka ha, YE AP NAY KIYA JAWAB DIYA

 

2)-Pir Sahab nay kab takfir farmae mainy nahe pucha

 

3)- Aik student nay apni study complete karli magar usko pata he na chalay k ye ghustakh hain, ye ham sab janana chahain gay k ye kaisy mumkan ha. es ka matlab ye howa k jitnay b student deoband say faragh hotay hain unko kuch pata nahe hota jab tak unko koe dosara na batae. ap k jawab sy aik baat aur mairy mind main I ha k agar deoband ki ebarat k masla na ho tou deoband k ulma say parnay main koe harj nahe. wo han say parnay wala b pak sach musalman hota ha.

 

Yaar pls Usman sahab kici aur ko jawab dynay dain. mairi baat k bura na manana. jawab wo hona chahea jo dil ko b lagay.

[Eccedentesiast]

On 1/8/2011 at 11:45 PM, Usman.Hussaini said:

Ans-1:Deoband ka madrassa pehly Moulana Abid Hussain chalaty the.Us waqqt madrasse me mehfil Milad bhe hote the.baad me Qasim Nanotvi na qabza ker k batadreej wahabiat ko mustahkam kiya.Is wajha se bhut arse tak is madrassy ke asaliat har kisi pe ashkar na ho sake.

 

 

 

Is bat k Naqabil-e-Tardeed Suboot dekheay:

 

Who is the founder of darul uloom deoband?

A research book containing historical truths about darul uloom deoband, India.

دارالعلوم دیوبند کا بانی کون؟

Written by: Dr. Ghulam Yahya Anjum

Download:

 

http://www.razanw.or...p?cid=2&lid=338

[Lhr.Usa]

Usman sb, aik baat tahreer kardain,

 

k kab tak deoband main khatam hota raha tha, aur kab pir Syd Hussain wohan par student thy. with dates

 

1) Kiya jis deobandi nay sannad ata ki thi wo uswakat b khatam delwatay thay. AUR unkay aqeed barelvi walay thay yan deoband waly

2) Kiya Qasim Ali Nanotavi b khatam delwatay thay.

 

Agar sirf khatam dilwanay say banda barelvi hota ha tou phir Allah he hafiz ha baki jo marzi karo magar khatam kiya tu barelvi warna deoband???

 

Hawalay k liya deoband ki book k scan post kijia ga

 

 

Mairi batoon ka bura namanana, ye sawal esforum par majood sab k mind main atay hongay. main na pochta tu koe aur question kardayta. lehaza tehkeki mind say reply karain

thanks

Edited 10 جنوری 2011 by lhrusa

[Saeedi]

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Please some one answer of below, ye wo question hain jo shahyad ham sab k zehan main atay hain.

1)-Pir Jamat Ali Shah sahab Nay apny bety ko darul uloom deoband study karnay k liya kun bayja kaya unki nazar main koe dosary jamiyan nahe tha.?

کسی کی بے خبری معیار نہیں ھوتی۔آپ بھیجنے کو دیکھتے ھیں مگر کافر بتانے کو کیوں نہیں دیکھتے۔ بدمذھبوں کے پاس بھیجنے کی وجہ یہ بھی تو ھوسکتی ھے کہ اُن کے داؤ پیچ سے واقف ھو جائے باقی حق آشنا تو ھم خود ھی بنا لیں گے۔

2)- AP kay betay ko during study pata na chalay k ye gustakh hain.?

یہ کہاں لکھا ھے کہ اُن کو پتہ نہ چلا؟

3)- Jitni time wo darul uloom deoband parta rahay kiya tab tak wo moman thy? Ghustakhay Rasool say parnay wala muman hosakta ha jab tak wo tajdeday iman na kar lay (do not have word to explain what to say this term)??

گستاخ رسول سے پڑھنا کفر نہیں بلکہ گستاخ رسول کی پیروی کرکے گستاخ بننا کفر ھے۔

4)- Aur jo ap nay masal di ky jaisay aj kal har kisam k Teachers say bachy partay hain Yaar ye dunyavi taleem ha-----. Agar barelvi student Deoband yan wahabi say parlain kuch muzaika ha yan nahe. AGAR HA TOU KUN aur tab kun na tha

تعلیم تو تعلیم ھے ۔ مسلمان کی دنیا بھی دین ھوتی ھے۔

baki question baad main.

جی ھاں لے آؤ جو کچھ ھے ۔ چشم ما روشن دل ما شاد۔

[Lhr.Usa]

.

Edited 11 جنوری 2011 by lhrusa

[Saeedi]

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حضورﷺنے جن کافر قیدیوں سے صحابہ کرام

کوتعلیم دلوائی تھی،کیا وہ کافر رسول اللہﷺ

کے مقابلے پر آکر گستاخ ھوئے

تھے یا نہیں؟

کیا آپ لوگ شیطان کو فرشتوں کا استاد مانتے ھیں

یا نہیں؟

آپ کے سوالات کا جواب تو پہلے ھی ھو چکا ھے۔

آپ اُن فتووں کا جواب دیں اور پھر مزید

سوال کریں۔

[Lhr.Usa]

Magar many tou kuch nahe pucha, ap k jawab k baad kuch lekhna chah magar munasib nahe samja, esliya sab edit kardiya

[Khalifa]

 

jazak ALLAH saeedi bhai.

 

aap ka her ik mazmoon deo k moun per tamacha hai.

 

ALLAH aap k ilm main azafa farmaye. Amin

Edited 20 جنوری 2011 by Khalifa

[imhanfi]

Hellow Saeedi,

 

Can we get religious education from Kafir.

Edited 26 جنوری 2011 by Chishti Qadri
Apni haisiyat k mutabiq sawal kiya karain aur apni language theek rakhain.

[Qadri Sultani]

Hellow Saeedi,

 

Can we get religious education from Kafir.

 

Reply has been given.

[imhanfi]

Muhtaram Chisti Qadri,

 

Post has been done by Saeedi so please let the saeedi to reply

[imhanfi]

Chisti Qadri,

 

why you adit my post, and u do not need to reply of my question, i need it from saeed because he post it.

 

Saeedi .

 

1) Did we get religious education from Kafir,

2) Shiyatan munkar honay k baad be farishtoon k ustad raha.

 

reply in yes or not

 

thanks

Edited 27 جنوری 2011 by imhanfi

[Mughal...]

Chisti Qadri,

 

why you adit my post, and u do not need to reply of my question, i need it from saeed because he post it.

 

Saeedi .

 

1) Did we get religious education from Kafir,

2) Shiyatan munkar honay k baad be farishtoon k ustad raha.

 

reply in yes or not

 

thanks

 

Janab JangeBader k Bad Qaid Honay walay Qadeo ki Rahi ki Aik Shart ya bi thi k wo Musalman Bacho ko likhna parhna seekhen

[imhanfi]

Mughal mainy apsay sawal nahe kia, agar ap jawab waisy dyna chatay hain tou alag baat ha. jo Taleem hasel ki thi kafiroon say

wo dini hakamat ki thi??????

 

Maira sawal saeedi sy ha.

1)KIA KAFIROON SAY JO TALEEM HASEL KI THI WO DINI TALEEM THI. Ahaedes aur quran ki taleem

thi.

2) kia shitan munkar honay k baad b farishtoon ka ustad tha

Edited 27 جنوری 2011 by imhanfi

[Saeedi]

Mughal mainy apsay sawal nahe kia, agar ap jawab waisy dyna chatay hain tou alag baat ha. jo Taleem hasel ki thi kafiroon say

wo dini hakamat ki thi??????

 

Maira sawal saeedi sy ha.

1)KIA KAFIROON SAY JO TALEEM HASEL KI THI WO DINI TALEEM THI. Ahaedes aur quran ki taleem

thi.

2) kia shitan munkar honay k baad b farishtoon ka ustad tha

 

جی دیوبندی جی

 

پیر جماعت علی کے بیٹے نے دیوبندیوں سے پڑھ کر

 

اُن کی تکفیر کی یا نہیں؟

 

شیطان چور سے حضرت ابوھریرہ نے آیت الکرسی کی شان

 

قبول کی یا نہیں؟

 

حدثوا عن بنی اسرائیل ولا حرج کی حدیث پر صحابہ و تابعین نے

 

عمل کیا یا نہیں؟

[imhanfi]

Saeedi mairay sawaloon ka tu jawab dydain agay tab baat hogi. k kis nay tafir ki

 

Maira sawal

1)KIA KAFIROON SAY JO TALEEM HASEL KI THI WO DINI TALEEM THI. Ahaedes aur quran ki taleem

thi.

2) kia shitan munkar honay k baad b farishtoon ka ustad tha

[Usman.Hussaini]

Saeedi mairay sawaloon ka tu jawab dydain agay tab baat hogi. k kis nay tafir ki

 

Maira sawal

1)KIA KAFIROON SAY JO TALEEM HASEL KI THI WO DINI TALEEM THI. Ahaedes aur quran ki taleem

thi.

2) kia shitan munkar honay k baad b farishtoon ka ustad tha

 

Bilkul he jahilna sawal hain;

jawab Q1-:ye sab ko maloom hay k Quran o Hadees ke taleem nahi the.

jawab Q2-Bilkul Nahi

 

 

[Usman.Hussaini]

Chisti Qadri,

 

why you adit my post, and u do not need to reply of my question, i need it from saeed because he post it.

 

Saeedi .

 

1) Did we get religious education from Kafir,

2) Shiyatan munkar honay k baad be farishtoon k ustad raha.

 

reply in yes or not

 

thanks

 

 

1) Did we get religious education from Kafir,

 

Jawab: Not Quran & Hadees.

Per Islami institue me Quran o Hadees ky ilawa dosray asre uloom bhe prahe jatay hain.

agar Islami Institue me kisi Kafir se Computer perh leya jaey ,,,,,ya kisi Hindu se Hindi perh le jae tu is me kiya muzaika ha.

 

imhanfi......ap k sawal ke wajha ye samjh ate hay ky ap kehna chahtey ho k agar Deobandi mulla KAFIR Hain tu phir Peer Syed Jamat Ali Shah(RA) ney batay ko Deoband se kion prahaya???

 

Peer Sahab ka Hussam ul Harmain per sign kerna he is baat ke daleel hay k jab apky baity Deoband me taleem hasil ker rahy the us waqt wo Deobandi KAFIR molvio ke Gustakhana Ibarat se Agah nahi the.

(Aek zaroori baat....Hussam ul Harmain me har Deobandi ko Kafir nahi kaha gaya.....sirf 4 deobandi n aek deobandi nawaz yani Qadiyani ko Kafir kaha gaya hay).

 

 

(Wahabiat ke makkari ka ty ye alam hey ky wo Hussam ul Harmain ke jin Ibarat ke girft ke gaey hay un me musalsal tahreefat ker rahay hain.

 

AlMuhanad ka he mutaliya ker lain tu ye haqeqat ashkar hay ky WAHABI kis terha apne asal aqaid per dhoka detay hain)

 

Ab app bhe ab kuch jawabat dein.

 

Kiya ap saboot de sakty hain ky Peer Sahab ky baity key ustado me KAFIR deobandi mulla bhe shamil the?

 

Kiya Deoband me taleem ky leay admission hasil kerny walon ko 4 Kafir molvio key baray me pore sachi afseel bataey jate hay?

 

Wahabiat ka kiya hukm hy us shaks ko perhanay me jo unhe Gustakh o Kafir (Wajib ul Qatal) qarar deta ho?

Edited 30 جنوری 2011 by Usman.Hussaini

[imhanfi]

Usman Hussani,

maira question ap say nahe tha. magar phir b main ap ko jawab dayta hoon.

Pir Sahab k betay nay dini taleem hasal ki aur saeedi sahab nay es k defa main kafiroon aur shitan wali baat kardi WAHA ray waha kia talmal kia saeedi nay. esko kahtain hain acha munazar bas apni baat k jawab dyna ha chahy kuch b kahdoo.

Pir sahab k betay nay Ahades ki sanad hasal ki thi koe computer programing nahe seki thi USMAN sahab qurban jaoon ap k jawab par. phir aj ap aik aur baat mangay k waqia he HASAMUL HARAMAN ko kuch pezarae hasal nahe thi jo pir sahab tak ko pata nahe tha k aisi b koe book ha.

Aur harat ha k sirf Ahmed Raza he ko deoband k gustakh honay pata chala pir sahab aur unkay bety Ulm haq k sath ray b unsay paray b magar fazool kuch pata na chalay. aur pir b barelvion k pir hain. Aur ahmed raza itna intelgent k kabi mila be nahe aur sab santa tha. aur pir sahab aur unkay bety k tou ye alam tha k jab Ahmed raza ki book pari aur bataya gaya tu tab pata chalay warna unki to itni ilmi hasiyat nahe thi k pata chalta.

Uman sahab ap pir sahab ki khud insult kar rahay ho.

1) QUESTion=====Kiya ap saboot de sakty hain ky Peer Sahab ky baity key ustado me KAFIR deobandi mulla bhe shamil the?

Jawab====== Aj ap man gay darul uloom deoband aur Ulma Deoband musalman hain aur Mahmood Ul Hassan Deoband b musalman thy eslia sanad unsay hasal ki ALLAH Akabar. Sarbakaf sar buland deoband deoband.

[Rizwan Q]

yar muje koi un 4 Deoband Ulma kay name bata sakta hai jinko kafir kaha gaya hai?

or kia baqi saray Deoband sahi hain?

[Khalil Rana]

(1) qasim nanotvi

(2) rasheed gangohi

(3) khalil anbethvi

(4) ashraf ali thanvi

jo in ki kufriya ibarat ko sahi kahe won bhi in ke hukam main dakhil hai.