Sunioo'n Ka Sach!

[Sag e Madinah]

Aik mashoor maqoola hay keh..

 

"Rotay kyon ho???Wajah he aisi hay"

Rafzi Sb.Kalab e Shia g kya yeh humari baton ka jwab hay???Hadees e Qirtas walay topic main tumhari jo posts delete ke gaeen,kya hum nay keen???Aur jo delete hueen un kya likha tha siway unrelated to the topic baton say.

 

 

Laikan kya yeh sab batain humaray sawalat ka jwab hain????Nahi har giz nahi...

 

Noman Sb ka hum say koi raabta nahi.Ho sakta hay kisi kaam main busy hon.Laikan kab tak jhootay bahanay banao gay tum??

 

 

Kalab e Shia jahan b jay KALAB he rehta hay.....

[Alteejani]

abhe manhhooso tom log apni site men kia sher bante ho aa kisi site men jahan tom logo ko saqeefe ka saya naseeb naho

tom logo ki new tehreef jin ke baro ka kam hi yehi he

 

jaker hadees qirtas men jaker dekh tom logo ne abhi aik awr dandi mar li he

 

awr meri tamam bate siwa aik 2 line ke sab ko ghaib ker dia he abhi bolo k shia bhag gaye tom logo ki sait pe koi shia is liye bat nahi kerta he tom logo ki aadat hi ye hi he

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?/topic/7558-hadis-e-qartaas/

 

awr sidiq akbar men noman ne kaha tha k mangal tha wo hadess laye ga jis men abo bakr ko sidiiq akbra rsola ne farmaya he liekn aaj jumaa he

hker sag to apny ghar men rah kar bhi sag raho sher mat banoo

Ama Wald e Mutaa and Hawa muje teri pori Qum se challenge kabool he bol kahan ana he,wese bi mera asool he ke ghar me jake maro,bol jis jaga to apne ap ko sher samajta he me ane ko tyar ho,rahi Noman sab ki bat to unone ek bat clear kar dithi ke Hazrat Ali bi hamre lye itne mukaram he jitne Hazrat Abu Baker to is me hamare Aqeede ko kya farq para Farq to tom logo me ata he ke jis ko ek bar ni bar bar Siddiq sabit hone per bi bhotan laga te ho,kher me tyar ho jahan to kah me ajao ga,bus masla yahan per itna he ke U.A.E me bohat se Shia sites band hen jo bi sites Shia ke nam se shoro hota he yahan pe taqreeban use band kya jata he ab is me mera koi qasoor ni kher tom koi asi site dena jo Nam se alag ho bus baki tom logo ki dhoolai me khod kar loga

Edited 5 مارچ 2010 by Alteejani

[Zulfaikar]

zulfqar sahab aap ne sahi kaha he k ye lag kafi bar hamri posts ko kha cke hen awr kafi tapic band bhi kiye hen is ke bawood in ka ye hal he ager ye log hamri site men aajyen to kia hal hoga inka

 

HAK HY BHAI HAK HY mar jay gay bachary:(

ye buzdil log humari site pe humara mukabla nai kr sakty :lol:

[Alteejani]

HAK HY BHAI HAK HY mar jay gay bachary:(

ye buzdil log humari site pe humara mukabla nai kr sakty :lol:

Abi bus to tate mar ria he,mene jab kahdeya bolo jahan kahte ho ajae ga per or kuch na bana tate shoro kar di

[Zulfaikar]

tmne manna to hy nai tajini per kya fida agar ana he maksud hy to http://www.shiaforums.com/vb is py aagao

[Zulfaikar]

hope u like it

[Sag e Madinah]

[Zulfaikar]

jinab matam wo nai hum kraty hy unka

jis trha ky RAsool saww ne kya tha or matam krny walo duaay be di thi ko dua iss video ko dakh lyna ab darmay na krna

chalo tm ne ye to mana ky RONA jaiz hy ab apny bhaio'n ko be samja dyna:lol:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHVvWd2z8gg&feature=PlayList&p=F2A1A6530FD59BAB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=33

[Sag e Madinah]

hahahahah

 

Janab shia g ronay ka kon inkaar karta hay????

 

Aur matam tum kartay ho tu yeh b kisi Ayat ya Hadees say sabit karo na??????

 

Is ka yeh matlab hay keh yeh khurafaat tum logon nay khud banai hain.Jis ka na Quran say saboot hay na Hadees Sharif say.

 

Humain video na dikhao saboot lao matam ka.Ya aisi batain apnay paas rakho...

 

Aur meri bat ka jwab tu tum hazam kar gay.Tumhari kitab ka aik page diya hua hay.Us ka jwab kya Qummi,Khumaini day ga aa kar????

[Alteejani]

hope u like it

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[Alteejani]

hope u like it

Rafzi jee me ap ke forum me registered hochoka hon ap chahen to woh pe bat kar len

Edited 7 مارچ 2010 by Alteejani

[Alteejani]

jinab matam wo nai hum kraty hy unka

jis trha ky RAsool saww ne kya tha or matam krny walo duaay be di thi ko dua iss video ko dakh lyna ab darmay na krna

chalo tm ne ye to mana ky RONA jaiz hy ab apny bhaio'n ko be samja dyna:lol:

 

http://www.youtube.c...rom=PL&index=33

 

 

apni taraf se jhot ghare jara raha he ye lanati,Noh or Noha ke maane ye khod bi nahi samaj ta to dosre ko kya samajae ga,ye Khabees sabit kare ke Hazoor ne kab matam kya tha or Imamo me kon he ke jis ne zanjir zani ki koi ye to bataye,bus ulti sidi taweelat karna jhore or haq ki bat sidi sidi kare

Edited 8 مارچ 2010 by Alteejani

[Zulfaikar]

apni taraf se jhot ghare jara raha he ye lanati,Noh or Noha ke maane ye khod bi nahi samaj ta to dosre ko kya samajae ga,ye Khabees sabit kare ke Hazoor ne kab matam kya tha or Imamo me kon he ke jis ne zanjir zani ki koi ye to bataye,bus ulti sidi taweelat karna jhore or haq ki bat sidi sidi kare

 

tm jao bhar me lannti ma ne apni video me suni hawaly ky sath proof kya hy OR QUran ki bat kraty ho to videos me Quran ka be refrence dya gaya hy maviya ki aolad mery mu say galiyan suny sy or apni bissti krwany sy acha hy ky phely mery posts perha kro chavl insan chavliyan na mara kro

or matm to HUM RAsool saww ki Sunat samaj krty hain khabiss to tm ho jo anpy ap ko suni be khaty ho OR Rasool ki sunaton per ammal be nai krty

phely beta phar ky ao per bat krna

Nooh a.s ki bat krty ho to un ka NAm Noha khani ki waja sy pera tha un ka assal nam ABUdal ghafar a.s tha Or In a.s ka zikar Quran me ALLAHA In ko NOoh (noha perny wala) khay kr pukara hy

[Alteejani]

tm jao bhar me lannti ma ne apni video me suni hawaly ky sath proof kya hy OR QUran ki bat kraty ho to videos me Quran ka be refrence dya gaya hy maviya ki aolad mery mu say galiyan suny sy or apni bissti krwany sy acha hy ky phely mery posts perha kro chavl insan chavliyan na mara kro

or matm to HUM RAsool saww ki Sunat samaj krty hain khabiss to tm ho jo anpy ap ko suni be khaty ho OR Rasool ki sunaton per ammal be nai krty

phely beta phar ky ao per bat krna

Nooh a.s ki bat krty ho to un ka NAm Noha khani ki waja sy pera tha un ka assal nam ABUdal ghafar a.s tha Or In a.s ka zikar Quran me ALLAHA In ko NOoh (noha perny wala) khay kr pukara hy

 

 

me sunni ho matam to nahi karta per tom logo ki Aqal per matam karne ko jee chata he,Hazrat Noh a.s Noha per ne wale the per dua karne wale na the muje tom ye farq batao ke dua karna or noha perna kis ko ahmiat hasil he kya jo apne rab se dua kare woh bahter he ya jo apne rab ki qaza per noha kare woh behtar he?jawam zaror dena

[Zulfaikar]

hahahahah

 

Janab shia g ronay ka kon inkaar karta hay????

 

Aur matam tum kartay ho tu yeh b kisi Ayat ya Hadees say sabit karo na??????

 

Is ka yeh matlab hay keh yeh khurafaat tum logon nay khud banai hain.Jis ka na Quran say saboot hay na Hadees Sharif say.

 

Humain video na dikhao saboot lao matam ka.Ya aisi batain apnay paas rakho...

 

Aur meri bat ka jwab tu tum hazam kar gay.Tumhari kitab ka aik page diya hua hay.Us ka jwab kya Qummi,Khumaini day ga aa kar????

beta g thumhain matam Quran se sabit kr k dakha sakta hon lakin tum jaisa lanti nasibee jis ko bukhari may Rasool saw takzeeb nazer nai aty wo mardud TU Quran ko b juthla sakta hay. matam tu Ambya A.S KI SUNNAT HAY.hazrat Umer ,aur RASOOL SAW KA BUKAHIRE ka matam tu app andhoon ko nazer nai aata tu QURAN TU BAD KI BAT HAY.

Edited 8 مارچ 2010 by Zulfaikar

[Alteejani]

beta g thumhain matam Quran se sabit kr k dakha sakta hon lakin tum jaisa lanti nasibee jis ko bukhari may Rasool saw takzeeb nazer nai aty wo tu mardud Quran ko b juthla sakta hay. matam tu Ambya A.S KI SUNNAT HAY.hazrat Umer ,aur RASOOL SAW KA BUKAHIRE ka matam tu app andhoon ko nazer nai aata tu QURAN SE TU BAD KI BAT HAY.

 

 

tomne sewae galion ke or kuch ni sabit kya he mere sawal se farar akhtyar kar rahe ho,per me phir doraraha hon kon behtar he jo apne rab se dua karta he ya jo oski qaza pe matam karta he ?

[Sag e Madinah]

[Geniusnoman]

beta g thumhain matam Quran se sabit kr k dakha sakta hon lakin tum jaisa lanti nasibee jis ko bukhari may Rasool saw takzeeb nazer nai aty wo mardud TU Quran ko b juthla sakta hay. matam tu Ambya A.S KI SUNNAT HAY.hazrat Umer ,aur RASOOL SAW KA BUKAHIRE ka matam tu app andhoon ko nazer nai aata tu QURAN TU BAD KI BAT HAY.

 

Janab zulfiqar mazaq buhut acha kar lita ho tum Quran sa matam sabit karo ga ya sirf rona.Rona ko matam kahna tumhari jahalat hai jao tumhari sari nasal ko challange Quran main dekh do matam ka lafz main tumhari batian man lon ga.Jao shabash pehla ya karo.Aur jahan tak Quran ko jhutlana ki baat hia tu aap ka Mutabiq Quran Sahaba ka likha hoa hai na ka Rasoolullah ka Asli Quran hai tu phair Quran ko jhutlana wala kon hai.

aaba jahil jas ko tu matam kah raha hia wo matam nahi sirf gham ki kafiyata hai aur dosri baat ya hai ka kab Nabi Alihsalam na har saal apna beta Abraheem ka matam kya.

pehla matam Yazeed na kya tha tumhari kitaab as ki gawah hai.aur dosri rawiyat main os na hukum diya apni biwi ko ka matam karo aur aik aur raiwyat hai aap ka yahan sa ka sab sa pehla matam Kufion na kya jo ahlebait ka Qatail tha.

[Zulfaikar]

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Janab zulfiqar mazaq buhut acha kar lita ho tum Quran sa matam sabit karo ga ya sirf rona.Rona ko matam kahna tumhari jahalat hai jao tumhari sari nasal ko challange Quran main dekh do matam ka lafz main tumhari batian man lon ga.Jao shabash pehla ya karo.Aur jahan tak Quran ko jhutlana ki baat hia tu aap ka Mutabiq Quran Sahaba ka likha hoa hai na ka Rasoolullah ka Asli Quran hai tu phair Quran ko jhutlana wala kon hai.

[/size]aaba jahil jas ko tu matam kah raha hia wo matam nahi sirf gham ki kafiyata hai aur dosri baat ya hai ka kab Nabi Alihsalam na har saal apna beta Abraheem ka matam kya.

pehla matam Yazeed na kya tha tumhari kitaab as ki gawah hai.aur dosri rawiyat main os na hukum diya apni biwi ko ka matam karo aur aik aur raiwyat hai aap ka yahan sa ka sab sa pehla matam Kufion na kya jo ahlebait ka Qatail tha.

janab thareef-e-Quran hamara aqida nai hay hain agher 2,4 aalem aysa kuch khatay hain tu wo un ka zaati point of view hay iss ko aqiday ka naam dayna app aqli kamzori hay.agher app pher b nai matay tu aak naya topic start kro. may apnay fiqay ka defa krnay k liye hazer hojao'n ga.

[Sag e Madinah]

Is k liyay new topic bana nay ke koi zaroorat nahi.Aap yeh link visit karain.....

 

http://www.islamimehfil.info/index.php?/topic/4931-aqeeda-tehreef-e-quran/

[Alteejani]

janab thareef-e-Quran hamara aqida nai hay hain agher 2,4 aalem aysa kuch khatay hain tu wo un ka zaati point of view hay iss ko aqiday ka naam dayna app aqli kamzori hay.agher app pher b nai matay tu aak naya topic start kro. may apnay fiqay ka defa krnay k liye hazer hojao'n ga.

 

 

tom se ek jhota sa sawal kya tom in 2,4 jo tomare Ulloma he kya uko tom musilman man te ho ke nahi ?

[Geniusnoman]

janab thareef-e-Quran hamara aqida nai hay hain agher 2,4 aalem aysa kuch khatay hain tu wo un ka zaati point of view hay iss ko aqiday ka naam dayna app aqli kamzori hay.agher app pher b nai matay tu aak naya topic start kro. may apnay fiqay ka defa krnay k liye hazer hojao'n ga.

 

Janab Muhaddith AlJazari na apni kitab Anwaar main farmaya hai jas ka khulasa ya hai ka humara Ashab sab ka as par itafaq hai ka wo tamam mashoor balky mutawater rawiyat jo sarhatan Quran ki abrat Alfaz aur as kay irab main tehreef batati hai Sahi hain aur humara Tamam Ashab Tahreef Quran ki in rawiyat ki tasdeeq par mutafiq hain Haan Shareef Murtuza,Sadooq aur Sheikh Tabrasi na as sa ikhtilaf kya hai.(Faslul Khatab pg 30)

[Zulfaikar]

Hitting one's body in grief

 

This is one of the favourite areas of exploitation for the Nasibi and they enjoy making fun and insisting that these practises are against the Shari'ah. They serve as further evidence that the Shi'a are a deviated Sect. Since they adhere to Umar ibn al Khattab's way famed for his words 'the Qur'an is sufficient for us' lets turn the tables on them. They keep asking us to prove our mourning rituals from the Qur'an such as crying, chest beating etc.We ask them to cite us any verse containing the words Matam, Latmiyah (blood letting) wherein Allah (swt) has declared such practices to be Haraam. No where in the Holy Qur'an has Matam been classified as Haraam. On the contrary, the stories of Prophets include examples of their mourning. As such, the permissibility of Matam is there in Qur'an but not its prohibition. Thus an act, for which there is no restriction of any kind by Islamic Laws, becomes permissible. It is Nasibi who have lied by stating that Matam is against patience and call only for patience instead!

 

 

Mourning rituals and self harm as found in the Qur'an

 

We read in Surah Nisa 004.148:

 

YUSUFALI: Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things.

 

This verse makes it clear that the public's relaying of injustice is permissible. Relaying the suffering of a victim is permissible.

 

Major efforts are made to prove that the term mourning is proof that Matam is Haraam under the Shari'ah. On the contrary breast-beating, bloods letting all come within the term mourning and its purpose is to convey the pains inflicted on the victim, something which the Quran has sanctioned. We the Shi'a perform all these acts as Allah (swt) has permitted us to do so, and the opposition of Nasibi is only on account for their love and support for Imam Husayn 's killers.

 

 

Mourning and shedding blood is the Sunnah of Prophet Adam

 

We read in Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Ma'arij al Nubuwwah, Chapter 1 page 248:

 

"Adam was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen".

 

Those who deem the act of self-harm to be batil should look at the bloodletting actions of Adam . If Adam can do this why cannot the Shi'a when mourning for Imam Husayn ?

 

 

Mourning and hitting one self is the Sunnah of the Prophet (s)

 

As evidence we shall cite the following works:

1. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 446
2. Sunan al Nasai, Volume 3 page 305
3. Adaab al Mufarad, page 426
4. Sahih Muslim Volume 1 page 291
5. Musnad Abu Aawna, Volume 2 page 292

We read in Sahih Bukhari:

 

Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:

That Allah's Apostle came to him and Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle at their house at night and said, "Won't you pray?" 'Ali replied, "O Allah's Apostle! Our souls are in the Hands of Allah and when he wants us to get up, He makes us get up." When 'Ali said that to him, Allah's Apostle left without saying anything to him. While the Prophet was leaving, 'Ali heard him striking his thigh (with his hand) and saying, "But man is quarrelsome more than anything else." (18.54)

 

Ibn Hajr Asqalani in the commentary of this tradition in Fatah al Bari, Volume 3 page 11 writes:

 

قوله يضرب فخذه فيه جواز ضرب الفخذ عند التأسف

"His statement 'striking his thigh' shows the permission of striking the thigh to express the grief"

 

If hitting oneself is Haraam then what Fatwa do the Nawasib have for the Prophet (s)? The Pillar of Shari'ah is himself hitting his chest, so if the Shi'a do the same, why are their actions Batil?

 

 

Thigh beating is the Sunnah of Maula Ali

 

We read in Tauhfa Ithna Ashari page 523 published in Karachi:

 

"When Ayesha was defeated and Ali saw the corpses on the ground he began to beat his thighs"

 

Edited 9 مارچ 2010 by Zulfaikar

[Zulfaikar]

[Zulfaikar]

These Nasibi claim that hitting one's chest is Batil, if this were true what view should we have of Rasulullah (s), Adam and Maula 'Ali ?

 

 

Thigh beating is the Sunnah of Sahaba

 

1. Musnad Abu Awana, Volume 2 page 141
2. Sunan Nasai, Volume 3 page 12
3. Sunan Abu Daud, Volume 1 page 244

"Mu'awyia bin Hakam al-Sulami said: 'I was preforming prayers behind Allah's messenger (pbuh) then a man sneezed, thus I said to him: 'May Allah's mercy be upon you'. Thus the people looked at me, then I said to my self: 'O my, why are you looking at me?' Then they started striking their thighs, therefore I came to know that they want me to remain silent'".

This Hadith has been recorded by Albaani in his 'Sahih Sunan Abu Daud' Volume 1 page 175 Hadith 823

 

Before deeming self harm to be Haram, perhaps Nawasib should take a closer look at the acts of the Sahaba. The Sahaba's hitting their thighs and the silence of the Prophet (s) proves that such acts of distress are not haraam. It's amusing that these Nasibi Mullah's never raise questions on any action of the Sahaba whether good or bad but they find fault with every act of the Shi'a. If the act of the Sahaba's beating themselves is not Haram then the Shi'as act of beating themselves should not be construed as Haram either.

 

 

Proof of head beating from the Qur'an

 

In Surah adh-Dhaariyaat we read that Sara struck her face when she was told that she would conceive a baby.

 

"Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) An old barren woman?"

Quran 51:29

 

"Faskath" does not just mean rub or touch, it means slap and this is evidenced from Saheeh Muslim Book 030, Number 5851, Bab Fadail Musa:

 

Abu Hurraira reported that the Angel of Death was sent to Moses (peace be upon him) to inform of his Lord's summons. When he came, he (Moses) boxed him [sakka] and his eye was knocked out. He (the Angel of Death) came back to the Lord and said: You sent me to a servant who did not want to die. Allah restored his eye to its proper place (and revived his eyesight), and then said: Go back to him and tell him that if he wants life he must place his hand on the back of an ox, and he would be granted as many years of life as the number of hair covered by his hand. He (Moses) said: My Lord what would happen then He said: Then you must court death. He said: Let it be now. And he supplicated Allah to bring him close to the sacred land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If I were there, I would have shown you his grave beside the road at the red mound.

 

This has also been reported in Sahih Bukhari, Book 23 Volume 2, Book 23, Number 423, Book of Funerals.

 

We read in the Sunni work Maqamath ai Hareery,

 

"He beat his cheeks and tore his collar"

 

The slapping of Prophet Ibraheem 's wife Sara is proven from the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us to adhere to the ways of the people of Ibraheem , so if the Shi'a beat themselves whilst mourning for Imam Husayn such acts are lawful.

 

 

Beating oneself at a time of distress is the Sunnah of Prophet Adam

 

We read in Madarij al Nubuwah, page 221:

 

"When life was breathed into the spirit of Adam he hit his hand on his head and cried. He made this tradition of beating one's head with one's hand and crying in times of trouble for his descendants."

 

 

Hitting one's head in times of trouble is the Sunnah of Prophet Yusuf

 

We read in Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 9 page 98:

 

قيل إن جبريل عليه السلام دخل على يوسف عليه السلام حينما كان في السجن فقال إن بصر أبيك ذهب من الحزن عليك فوضع يده على رأسه وقال : ليت أمي لم تلدني ولم أك حزناً على أبي

"It has been said that when Gebrail (pbuh) went to Yusuf (pbuh) in jail he (Gebrail) said to him: 'Your father has become blind due to the grief for you. Thus he (Yusuf) put his hand on his head and said: 'I wish if my mother didn’t give birth to me and there would not have been the reason for my father's grief."

 

We have proven that the acts of hitting one's head are not Jahiliyya or Un-Islamic.In fact it is the Sunnah of Prophets Adam and Yusuf .

 

The Shi'a mourn Imam Husayn as a form of remembrance. We seek to remember and share his suffering and pain, since assisting one in trouble is a recommended (Mustahab) act and a kind of worship. We also deem mourning and presenting our sincerity to Imam Husayn to be a form of worship.

 

 

Beating oneself in times of trouble is the Sunnah of Umar

 

We read in Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Aqd al Fareed, Volume 1 page 342:

 

ولما نُعي النًّعمان بن مُقَرَّن إلى عمر بن الخطاب وضع يدَه على رأسه وصاح يا أسفي على النعمان

When Umar received news of the death of Numan ibn Muqran, he placed his hand on his head and wailed: 'O my grief for Numan!'

 

We find a similar narration in Kanz al Ummal, Vol.8, Page 117, Kitab al Maut:

 

When Omar heard of Nu'man ibn Muqran's death he beat his head and screamed, "O what a pity that Nu'man died".

 

When Umar mourns the death of his friend in such a way, the descendents of Mu'awiya remain silent, but if the Shi'a mourn Imam Husayn through such an act they are deemed Kaffirs. If Nasibis wish to accuse us of introducing Bidah into the religion then they should know that Umar introduced this long before the Rafidis! If such acts of hitting oneself and extreme wailing are prohibited then what was your Khalifa indulging in this act for?

 

 

Beating and mourning by the wives of the Sahaba

 

 

Before we expand on this reality let us begin by citing words that we had previously cited from

 

Ibn al Hashimi who claims:Additionally–and this point cannot be stressed enough–there were many Sahabah who were killed in the Path of Allah, but the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) never mourned their deaths in the manner in which the Shia mourn Hussain (رضّى الله عنه). The Prophet lost his own dear uncle, his own wife, and many of his dearest companions, but do we see that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) ever resorted to self-flagellation or excessive mourning? The Shia can never provide such an example from the life of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), probably not even from Shia sources. Therefore, we find that it is not part of the Sunnah to mourn in such an uncivilized manner and we shall never take part in it because of this.

 

 

Let us refute this Nasibi by citing Allamah Shibli Numani al Hanafi is a renowned Sunni scholar from the Indian subcontinent. In his Sirat-un Nabi (Eng translation Volume 2 pg 74) quoting Sirat Ibn Hisham we read the following about Hamzah martyrdom:

 

"The Holy Prophet (P) returned to Madina and found the whole city gone into mourning. Whenever he went, he heard wailing and lamentation in every house. He was grieved to find that all who were martyred in the battle had their mourners doing their duty to the memory of their dear ones. But there was none to mourn the death of Hamzah . Overwhelmed with grief, the words that there was no one to mourn the loss of Hamzah escaped his lips. The Ansâris were touched to the core when they heard this remark from the Prophet(s). They asked their women to go to the house of the Prophet (S) and mourn for Hamzah. The Prophet (p) thanked them for their sympathy, prayed for their well-being, but added that it was not permissible to lament in memory of the dead. (Women in Arabia were used to wailing and lamenting aloud, they would tear off their garments, dig their nails into their cheeks, slap themselves on the face and put up loud screams. This undesirable practice was from that day stopped for future)"

 

Nawasib such as Ibn al-Hashimi will no doubt take heart from the last few lines so let us pass a comment on them:

 

 

Observation One

 

Whilst these words are not acceptable for being contradictory to previous lines of the narration, our readers should also know that the words 'it is not permissible to lament in memory of the dead' is an addition that cannot be found in other history books. Al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Haqq Dehlavi in Madarij un Nabuwat records the event as follows:

 

"When Holy Prophet (s) reached Madina, he saw that cries could be heard from most of the houses of Ansaar (the helpers) but not from Hamza's house. Holy Prophet (s) said that wasn't there anyone to cry over Hamza? The helpers (Ansaar) asked their women to mourn over Hamza first and then they may go and cry over their own martyr. The women went to Hamza's house in the evening and kept crying till midnight. When Holy Prophet(s) woke up and asked about it, he was told the whole thing. Holy Prophet(s) blessed them by saying" May Allah be pleased with you and your children."

 

It has been similarly recorded in 'Isti'ab' that after Holy Prophet's query, "none of the wives of the helpers cried over their own dead but cried for Hamza",

 

Therefore through no tradition, reference or logic can it be proved that Holy Prophet (s) stopped Ummah from crying over the death of their dear ones.

 

 

Observation Two

 

Our assertion that the words "It is not permissible to mourn over the dead" is a later addition is confirmed when we observe the first edition of Shibli Numani's work. We relied on the Urdu to English translation of Numani's work. Of interest is the fact that the part in brackets wherein the practice of mourning is condemned was added in later editions. The original statement as narrated in the first edition is mentioned above. Look at this report from "Seerat Un Nabi" part 1, page 361, published in 1975 by "Deeni Kutb Khana Islami, Lahore."

 

"Holy Prophet (s) reached Madina, the whole of Madina had turned into a mourning place, his Excellency could hear voices of people mourning from every house, and Holy Prophet (s) felt grieved that all martyrs were being cried upon by their relatives but there was no one to mourn over Hamza. In severe grief he said: "Isn't there anyone to cry over Hamza?" The Helpers (Ansaar) palpitated when they heard this and therefore all of them asked their wives to go and mourn over Hamza's martyrdom. When Holy Prophet(s) saw that the females of Ansaar (the helpers) were mourning for Hamza, he blessed them and thanked them for their sympathy but he further said "It is not permissible to cry over dead."

 

After this a whole paragraph from "This was a tradition in Arabia" till "intense love for Hamza" has been removed from the frst edition and further replaced by this new statement. This is the ingenuity of Syed Salman Nadvi who completed this book of his teacher (Shabli Naumani) after his death. This new paragraph is not present in the first edition.

 

"Women in Arabia were used to wailing and lamenting aloud, they would tear off their garments, dig their nails into their cheeks, slap themselves on the face and put up loud screams. This undesirable practice was from that day stopped for future".

 

The Urdu/Arabic alphabet "seen" in the text denotes that this statement was not present in the earlier edition and Syed Suleman Nadvi added it afterwards. Later editions simply removed th 'Seen' so as to imply that these words were those of Numani!

 

 

Observation Three

 

Whilst this shows how dishonest these Nasibi are, let us also address the comments of Nadvi:

1. If Lamenting were Haraam why would the Prophet (s) be sad on the fact that no one was mourning his slain Uncle?
2. Why would the Prophet (s) allow the women to do something that is Haraam? (i,e mourning for their own dead ones)
3. If as Numani tells that this was a common practice amongst Arab women and the Prophet banned it, this prohibition would have definitely received maximum publicity.

 

Observation Four

 

Even if it is believed that Holy Prophet (s) did say 'It is not permissible to cry over the dead' such a statement would not effect our mourning because Imam Husayn is a martyr and it is forbidden to call them dead. Such restrictions are for those who die a natural death not those who are slain in the way of Allah (swt).

 

 

Observation Five

 

The reference makes it clear that our Holy Prophet (s) paid gratitude to those who consoled and mourned over Hamza's martyrdom. He approved of this act and blessed them with his prayers. Had it been a prohibited act the Prophet (s) would never have shown gratitude. This gratitude strengthens our point that the words 'It is not permissible to cry over the dead' has no correlation with the incident. Rather Syed Suleman Nadvi amended the statements in order to cover up Allamah Shibli Numani's blunder.

 

The mourning of Hamza did not just end there; we have already cited the fact that the Holy Prophet (s) and the three Caliphs' would visit the graves of the martyrs every year.

 

The next tradition in effect negates any notion of the Prophet's (s) banning such acts…

 

 

Beating and mourning by the wives of the Prophet (s)

 

Curiously, not a single wife of the Prophet (s) ever heard of this ban (as claimed by Nadvi in the previous reference). On the contrary Ayesha regarded by Ahl'ul Sunnah as the most knowledgeable women on Qur'an and Sunnah performed the following act when the Prophet (s) left this earth.

 

As narrated by al Tabari in History Volume 9 page 183 (English translation by Ismail Poonawala):

 

Abbas narrates:

 

"I heard Ayesha saying "The Messenger of God died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of God died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women".

 

Ibn Katheer al Nasibi in al Bidayah wa al Nihayah Volume 5 page 420 published by Nafees Academy Karachi records the event as follows:

 

"Rasulullah (s) died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my face along with other women".