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aysha ki to qaee rawayat aise hy jin me ap he ki kafi books me tabdili hoe hy or purany additionki bat kro new ma to changing ho gai hy magar aysha ki kafi riwayat Rasool saww ki Ghustakhi ma be hain ab nauzbillah per wo be such hy dakhna chety ho to 1st or 2nd page per videos lagai hoe hy meny dusary rawat ky bary me to tm ab aise he chavliyan maro gy....

bahi khabi mari post b pher liya kro. tu iss ka mtalab may ye shamjo'n k app mari iss bat ko mantay ho k threef-e-Quran kisi muslman ka "AQIDA" nai hay. plz han ya na may jawadayna.aap ka aalem kab se tkya krnay lagh gaye

tu iss ka mtalab may ye shamjo'n k app mari iss bat ko mantay ho k threef-e-Quran kisi muslman ka "AQIDA" nai hay. plz han ya na may jawadayna(mazeed kuch post krnai ho to "ehtaram-e-sahaba aur azwaj-e-RASOOL" K namse ak naya topic start kro.)

mughay iss bat ki kushee hay app nay ye to mana k saray shia aalem threef k qail nai hain. laykin mughay iss bat ka shadeed apsos hay k app ko musalman or kaffer may ferq jasi basic bat ka b elam nai.mughay to laghta hay k app threef ka sahi matlab b nai pata...! phlay ja kr apni kitabon se is ka pta keray'n. ab may app ko app k aalemo'n ki bate'n post krta huwa aacha nai tu laghta.

ye mera topic nai hy coz me ne matam ky bary me bayaan kr diya hy hy magr tmhy zayada shok hy to...... chand refrence tmhary lye

janab iss thrhan k fazool referance humaray nazdeek koi ahmiyat nai hay assi bohat se kitabin humaray aalimo'n ki b hain jis may humari hi kitabo'n k ghat or zaheef rewayat ki neshandahi gae hay.

islam ki puri Emarat ka bass aakri stoon(Quran) hi to baki rehh gaya hay jis per puri ummat ka itafaq hay iss stoon ko khokhla krnay walay dimako'n ka sath na dayna ye app ka islam pr ak bohat bara ahsaan hoga

janab mujhay apsoess k app nay apnay ferqawarana taassub ki waja se mary post nai phari werna app ye sab post na krtay.(kyun k iss bakwass ka jawab mary phali post may hi hay). ommat-e-muslima ka iss bat per itafak hay k threef-e-Quran ka akida rhaknay walay logh 700 sal phaly apnay aqiday k sath dafan hochkay hain(pta nai app kis zamanay k ho). mari bat to ap mano gay nai lakin apnay onn aalimon k baray kya khyal hay jin ka kol ap k liay hughat hay.

jinab ap ne khaha tha matam hallal hy to proof kr k dikho wo to me ne krdiya ab tm btao ky matam hallal hy k haram ??? per jawab mily ga

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waise to akal walo ky liye ishara he kafi hota hy magr tm sab me akal khaha, issi liye itna sara likha hy:lol:. main ne ap ko takreeban 285 sy zaid dallail diye hy OR ap he ki mutabar tareen kitabon say Qran o sunat, sirat e ammbiya, Serat e ashaba or serat e ummhatull momenin sy ye sabit kya hy ky matam krna haram nai hy ab ap sabit kro humari motaber kitabon sy kamazkam 286 dallail do k matam haram hy its a challenge for all of you, to all suni hazrat

If the wives of Uthman can mourn Uthman's killing in this way then the Shi'a of Maula 'Ali can likewise mourn the slaying of Imam Husayn in this way. The mourning of Fatima al-Zahra In Madarij al Nubuwwh, Vol 2, page 163, the high ranking Sunni Scholar, Sheikh Abdul Haq Mohaddith Dehlavi recorded that: "Fatima Zahra hearing the rumour of the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (s) at Uhud came out of her house running and beating her head". Does it not transpire from the above that beating of head during the act of mourning for a martyr is allowed by the religion as Sayyida was well aware of the religious code and was also infallible according to Ayah Tatheer (33:33). In addition an action of any member of Ahl'ul bayt is a Sunnah for the Ithna Ashari Shi'as. Thus mourning is not bidah but is a Sunnah of Sayyida Fatima al-Zahra . The mourning of Abu Hurraira We shall rely on the following Sunni works: Adaab al Mufarad, page 426 Sunan Ibn Majah, page 30 The narrator says that he saw Abu Hurrayra hitting his forehead and said 'o people of Iraq could you even imagine that I would lie about the Prophet?' Abu Huraryra's act here was out of shock and distress. If this Sahabi can act in such a manner then no fault should be found with the Shi'a when they mourn the loss of Imam Husayn by hitting themselves. The mourning of Bilal We read in Madarij al Nubuwah, Volume 2 page 441, whilst discussing the death of the Prophet (s): "When the situation of the Prophet worsened, Bilal emerged beating his head and loudly wailing,'I wish my mother had not given birth to me, and that if she had I wish that I had died before this day'" Why did Bilal fail to adopt patience, an act that the Nasibi deem compulsory? Was the Muazzin and loyal Servant of the Prophet (s) ignorant of the verses on patience? Even in this case none of the companions raised any objection at the action of Bilal. Moreover the Holy Prophet (s) was yet alive and not dead. This is the extreme extent of grief. Then how can similar action for Imam Husayn be prohibited? The extreme mourning of Uways al-Qarni The most explicit proof of self-inflicted injury comes from Owais al-Qarni the great Muslim Sahabi, praised by both Shi'a and Sunni erudite. He had an immense love for the Holy Prophet (s). When the news reached him in Yemen that two teeth of the Holy Prophet (s) were broken in the battle of Ohad, he extracted all his teeth. When the Holy Prophet (s) got the news in Medina that Owais had struck down all his teeth, he (s) exclaimed, "Indeed Owais is our devoted friend". This event can be found written in 'Seerate Halbia' vol II, page 295. The renowned Sunni Scholar Shiekh Farid al Din Attaar in 'Tadhkhirah tul Awliya' Urdu translation page 17 and 18 writes: " Uways Qarni said to Umar Khattab : 'If you were true in friendship than why on the day when the holy teeth of the Prophet (s) were broken didn't you break your teeth in companionship? Because, it is a condition of companionship.' Then he showed his teeth all of which were broken and said 'I broke all of my teeth without seeing you (O Prophet) and in the state of Ghaybah in your companionship. I had broken one tooth but couldn't get satisfaction so kept on breaking them one by one until I had broken them all '". Had the breaking of teeth by Uways Qarni been in opposition to Shariah, Umar would certainly have pointed it out at the time or at least commented and answered the accusation by Uways Qarni of his less than perfect companionship. The silence of Umar proves that he didn't deem the act of breaking one's teeth as done by Uways Qarni as opposed to Shariah but considered it an act of sincerity and also a proof of friendship. It is interesting that Ibn al Hashimi argues:In regards to the actual rituals of the Shia, these are barbaric practises of self-flagellation, violence, and paganism Tell us, would Uways Qarni’ss destruction of his teeth with a blunt instrument not fall within your definition of ‘barbaric practises of self-flagellation, violence, and paganism’? If so, did the Prophet (s) agree with your view and condemn this extreme form of self harm? We should point out that breaking one's teeth is a thousand times more painful than the beating of one's chest for a few hours. It is more extreme than chest beating with chains or knives (Zanjeer) because those who have suffered from tooth ache will understand the immense pain that circulates in the mouth and head. Compare the removal of a tooth to the forced removal of a full set of teeth without the benefit of modern day anaesthetics and instruments. The pain must have been unbearable. This was clearly an act of great courage. Mourning following the death of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal We shall rely on the following esteemed Sunni works: Tareekh Baghdad, Volume 4 page 422 Hayaat al Haywaan, page 101 قال وسمعت الوركاني يقول يوم مات احمد بن حنبل وقع الماتم والنوح في أربعة أصناف من الناس المسلمين واليهود والنصارى والمجوس 'He (Abu Bakr al-Makki) said: 'I heard al-Warkani saying: 'The day on which Ahmad bin Hanbal died, in it 'Matam' and lamentation took place among four types of people, the Muslims, the Jews, the Christians and the Zoroastrians''. The Muslims killed Ibn Hanbal and also mourned him. The same people accuse the Shi'a of killing Imam Husayn and mourning him for atonement. They acuse Shias for what has been their own practice. If Matam is such an extreme sin, then why was such sin committed for this Sunni Imam? Heavens mourning at the death of Umar! We read in Riyadh al Nadira page 187: "When Umar died the Djinns recited a elegy 'Umar female Djinns are mourning you in a loud voice and they are beating their faces' If mourning in such a manner is Bidah then why was it necessary for the women of Paradise to mourn in this manner? If it was Bidah why do you think the Sunni scholars coined such a fabricated tale? When Umar died the women of Paradise beat their faces but if Shi'a women mourn the slaying of Imam Husayn and his supporters, mutilation of their bodies and the imprisonment of their women folk they are deemed evil innovators. Seven days of mourning of Khalid bin Waleed We read in Kanz al Ummal Volume Six page 118: "The narrator said people had attributed the prohibition of elegies to Umar, but the fact is that when Khalid bin Waleed died the women of Banu Mugheer indulged in seven days of mourning. They reddened their chests, wailed, food was distributed and elegies were recited. Umar did not place any prohibition on this mourning". When Ahl'ul Sunnah's great hero dies elegies and self beating occurs under the watchful eye of Umar and he takes no remedial steps to quash this alleged Bidah. However when the Shi'a do the same in memory of Imam Husayn the Nasibi' come out in force to oppose them. An Arabs mourning before the Prophet (s) Malik's Muwatta Book 18, Number 18.9.29: Yahya related to me from Malik from Ata ibn Abdullah al-Khurasani that Said ibn al-Musayyab said, "A Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allah, (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) beating his breast and tearing out his hair and saying, 'I am destroyed.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Why is that?', and he said, 'I had intercourse with my wife while fasting in Ramadan.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, asked him, 'Are you able to free a slave?', and the man said, 'No.' Then he asked him, 'Are you able to give away a camel?', and the man replied, 'No.' He said, 'Sit down,' and someone brought a large basket of dates to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and he said to the man, 'Take this and give it away as Sadaqa.' The man said, 'There is no one more needy than me,' and (the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace), said, 'Eat them, and fast one day for the day when you had intercourse.' " Worthy of note is the fact that Darr Qathani in his Sharh of Muwatta Volume 2 (this tradition) adds that that 'he was placing mud in his hair'. The incident should be considered in the light of the following facts: The Bedouin being a Muslim was Sahabi (companion) of the Holy Prophet (s). He was beating his chest and tearing his hair in presence of Holy Prophet (s) who neither objected to it nor reprimanded him for the same. The action of the Bedouin was a result of spiritual pain he suffered as his fast was invalidated. Sunni traditionists have authentically recorded this incident. The Bedouin's actions were a direct result of the agony he was going through. It led him to beat, his chest, tear his hair and place dirt in his hair. We suggest to those who deem mourning for Imam Husayn Bidah to look at these Rafidi acts that were performed in the presence of the Prophet (s). If it was Haraam why did not the Prophet (s) tell him to refrain from such actions? Mourning at the time of Ayesha's death In the Sunni Magazine Khadim al Deen, published Lahore on the 18th of October 1976 page 20, in the topic of Ayesha we read: "People were saddened by the death of Ayesha; Masrooq said if certain situations had not arisen then I would have performed Matam for her. Look at the preparations for mourning Ayesha's death. If mourning is a gate to hell why were the Sahaba making this road for themselves by desiring to mourn her loss in such a manner? Islamic Law When the Imam of a Fiqh permits an act, then it is not permissible for those of other Madhabs to raise their objections. We deem Ahl'ul bayt our Imams and uphold their words. If they ruled on the permissibility of Azadari, then we care little what the Imams from Mu'awiyah and Yazeed's lineage have to say against it. Imam Jafer allowed the mourning of Imam Husayn We read a tradition from Wasail ai Shi'a as quoted in Jahaur aur Kalaam Volume 4 page 370: "Imam Jafer said 'the daughters of Fatima would slap their faces and shriek. It is permissible to beat yourself and shriek for a pure soul such as Husayn" The mourning of Banu Hashim We read in Tareekh Kamil Volume 4 page 42 Umar ibn Sa'd appeared following the killing of Husayn, stayed for the night in Kerbala and then headed in the direction of Kufa. He was accompanied by Husayn 's children and his sisters were also captives. When they passed by the bodies of Husayn and his companions, the women cried and slapped their faces. Zaynab said 'O Muhammad!' Sayyida Zaynab beat herself on three separate occasions First Occasion Al Bidaya wa al Nihaya Volume 8 page 176 Tareekh Kamil page 29 "When the enemy planned to attack the camp of Husayn, Zaynab went to Husayn and asked 'what is this noise outside our tents?' Husayn [ra] replied 'I just saw a dream wherein the Apostle of Allah told me that he would reach me by tomorrow. Upon hearing this Sayyida Zaynab became aggrieved and slapped her face" Second occasion Al Bidaya wa al Nihaya, Volume 8 page 177 Tareekh Kamil Volume 4 page 30 Tareekh Tabari Volume 7 Page 324. "When Sayyida Zaynab listened to the verses from her brother that indicated his death, she mourned by beating her face, tearing her clothes and losing her senses by falling to the ground" Third occasion Al Bidaya wa al Nihaya Volume 8 page 93 Tareekh Kamil Volume 4 page 42 Tareekh Tabari Volume 7 Page 370. Qurat bin Kas narrates that when the women of Bani Hashim passed by the battlefield they wept bitterly by beating their faces. Dear readers! You have seen that even the prejudiced Ibn Katheer has accepted the mourning of Sayyida Zaynab on the martyrdom of Imam Husayn . Sayyida Zaynab is the elder daughter of "Gate of knowledge" and the leader of the believers Imam Ali and Sayyida Zahra who is the daughter of Apostle of Allah (swt). The princess brought up by the great teachers of religion and trained in an atmosphere of learning and education cannot be ignorant of the Divine laws of religion. On seeing the calamities of the grandson of the Prophet (s), the mother of all calamities and woes, became impatient. She mourned on three occasions in Karbala. When the grand daughter of the Prophet (s) was brought into the city of Kufa as prisoner her calamity became more severe. When she saw the head of Imam on the pointed end of lance, she stroke her head on the wooden part of the saddle in extreme grief and blood started flowing from her head. Baba Fareed Ganj Shakar's self harm mourning for Imam Husayn Baba Fareed Ganj Shakar of Pak Patan is a major Sunni Sufi Saint. He commands thousands of adherents from the Indian Subcontinent. We read in the Sunni text From Uswa - e - Sufia Uzzaam, Page 8: He used to lament and cry for Imam Husayn on the day of Ashura so much so that he would fall unconscious. It is narrated from him that there was a saintly man in Baghdad and when the tragedy of Karbala was described to him, he cried so piteously and profusely and smashed his head so hard on the ground out of grief that he died! The same night, people saw him in their dream and enquired of his condition to which he replied: I gave up my life for the love of Ahl - e - Bait hence Allah has pardoned me and I now live with Imam Husayn . Comment Is not the status of an Azadaar equivalent to that of a Martyr? This shows that self - flagellate with knives and swords, doing Matam and giving up one's life for the love of these Infallibles is a cause of redemption and pardon from Allah (swt). The skies shed blood in grief of Imam Husayn Allamah Ibn Hajar Makki writes: "Abu Said says that on the day of the martyrdom of Husayn, there was fresh blood found under every stone lifted; and the sky also rained blood whose result was evident on clothes for ages. Abu Naim says that on the day of the martyrdom of Imam Husayn our containers (of water) were full of blood." Sawaiq al-Muhriqa, Page 192 It is written in Tafseer al-Jalalayn, on page 411, Annotation no.7 (Print. Karachi): Under "Fama Bakta Alaihim Sama" Sa`di has been quoted as saying: "When the oppressed Imam was martyred, the sky wept on his martyrdom; the weeping of the sky is its being red and anger is the reason behind the bloody tears." If Nasibi argue that such a notion is ridiculous then we suggest to him to consult Riyadh al Nadira page 193 [printed in Baghdad]: "The narrator says that when Umar was murdered, the earth was covered with darkness. A child asked his mother, 'O Mother is it the Day of Judgment? The mother replied no son Umar has been murdered". We appeal to justice! The earth was covered with darkness when Umar died and the Nasibi clergy have no objection to this narration since it refers to the death of one of their own. If the skies grieve over the barbaric massacre of the Ahl'ul bayt then all manner of Fatwa is issued against us. Examples of self-beating in the Bible The Bible, Isaiah 22:12 - shows that this type of mourning was ordained by God "On that Day the Lords called for weeping and beating the breast, shaving the head and putting on sack cloth" "You are now at ease, be anxious; tremble, you who have no cares. Strip yourselves bare; put a cloth round your waists and beat yourselves" The Bible, Isaiah 32:11 "Howl, Heshbon, for Ai is despoiled. Cry aloud you villages round Rabbath Ammon, put on sack cloth and beat your breast and score your body with gashes" The Bible, Jeremiah 49:3 "The crowd that had assembled for the spectacle, when they saw what had happened went home beating their breasts" The Bible, Luke 23:48 We have in this chapter set out a vast array of evidences proving the legitimacy of hitting oneself and shedding blood, when mourning Imam Husayn . Those Nasibi who are against mourning for Imam Husayn and for any of the martyrs of Karbala usually raise a question whether the Holy Prophet (s) had ordered mourning for Imam Husayn . The answer to this question is: 'did the Holy Prophet (s) order Owais Qarni to remove all his teeth? Did he insist that the Bedouin beat his chest? Did he order Bilal to beat his head? Similarly there was no order by the Holy Prophet (s) for Fatima to beat her head at the rumour of his martyrdom in Uhud. If there is absence of explicit permission then there is absence of prohibition also The reason for absence of such orders with regard to mourning is quite clear. These acts were all done out of love and sorrow and the Holy Prophet (s) had not forbidden them. According to the beliefs of Ahl e Sunnah, if the Holy Prophet(s) saw someone doing an act and remained silent on it, it meant that he approved of this act. This type of Sunnah, in their fiqh, is called Sunnah Taqriri. It is quite clear that holding mourning of Imam Husayn by means of Matam (chest beating) or Zanjeer (blood letting) is to give physical expression of sympathy for Imam Husayn . It expresses nothing but love and loyalty for the Ahl'ul bayt .

Do we need to say anymore? Would the wives of the Prophet (s) indulge in a Haraam activity? Look at the beating ritual by the women of Madina. Ibn Katheer mentions how extreme that beating was that their faces reddened with slapping. What do the Nasibi say about these women? Were they evil Rafidi innovators lead by Ayesha? According to Musnad of Imam Ahmad Hanbal Vol. 6, page 274, Ayesha mourned the demise of the Holy Prophet (s) with other women by beating her head. Beating and mourning by Uthman's wives and daughter We read in Tareekh Kamil Volume 3 page 89: "When Uthman was killed his killers intended to sever his head. His wives Naila and Umm'ul Baneen lay over him screamed and began to beat their faces" Narrations also record that Uthman's daughter also acted likewise. As evidence we shall rely on the following Sunni works: Al Bidayah wa al Nihaya, Volume 7 page 371 Tareekh Tabari, Volume 6 page 302 Tareekh Aathim Kufi, page 159 "Ibn Jareer narrates that when the killer intended to sever Uthman's head, the women began to scream and strike their faces. This included Uthman's wives Naila, Ummul Baneen and daughter".

These Nasibi claim that hitting one's chest is Batil, if this were true what view should we have of Rasulullah (s), Adam and Maula 'Ali ? Thigh beating is the Sunnah of Sahaba Musnad Abu Awana, Volume 2 page 141 Sunan Nasai, Volume 3 page 12 Sunan Abu Daud, Volume 1 page 244 "Mu'awyia bin Hakam al-Sulami said: 'I was preforming prayers behind Allah's messenger (pbuh) then a man sneezed, thus I said to him: 'May Allah's mercy be upon you'. Thus the people looked at me, then I said to my self: 'O my, why are you looking at me?' Then they started striking their thighs, therefore I came to know that they want me to remain silent'". This Hadith has been recorded by Albaani in his 'Sahih Sunan Abu Daud' Volume 1 page 175 Hadith 823 Before deeming self harm to be Haram, perhaps Nawasib should take a closer look at the acts of the Sahaba. The Sahaba's hitting their thighs and the silence of the Prophet (s) proves that such acts of distress are not haraam. It's amusing that these Nasibi Mullah's never raise questions on any action of the Sahaba whether good or bad but they find fault with every act of the Shi'a. If the act of the Sahaba's beating themselves is not Haram then the Shi'as act of beating themselves should not be construed as Haram either. Proof of head beating from the Qur'an In Surah adh-Dhaariyaat we read that Sara struck her face when she was told that she would conceive a baby. "Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) An old barren woman?" Quran 51:29 "Faskath" does not just mean rub or touch, it means slap and this is evidenced from Saheeh Muslim Book 030, Number 5851, Bab Fadail Musa: Abu Hurraira reported that the Angel of Death was sent to Moses (peace be upon him) to inform of his Lord's summons. When he came, he (Moses) boxed him [sakka] and his eye was knocked out. He (the Angel of Death) came back to the Lord and said: You sent me to a servant who did not want to die. Allah restored his eye to its proper place (and revived his eyesight), and then said: Go back to him and tell him that if he wants life he must place his hand on the back of an ox, and he would be granted as many years of life as the number of hair covered by his hand. He (Moses) said: My Lord what would happen then He said: Then you must court death. He said: Let it be now. And he supplicated Allah to bring him close to the sacred land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If I were there, I would have shown you his grave beside the road at the red mound. This has also been reported in Sahih Bukhari, Book 23 Volume 2, Book 23, Number 423, Book of Funerals. We read in the Sunni work Maqamath ai Hareery, "He beat his cheeks and tore his collar" The slapping of Prophet Ibraheem 's wife Sara is proven from the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us to adhere to the ways of the people of Ibraheem , so if the Shi'a beat themselves whilst mourning for Imam Husayn such acts are lawful. Beating oneself at a time of distress is the Sunnah of Prophet Adam We read in Madarij al Nubuwah, page 221: "When life was breathed into the spirit of Adam he hit his hand on his head and cried. He made this tradition of beating one's head with one's hand and crying in times of trouble for his descendants." Hitting one's head in times of trouble is the Sunnah of Prophet Yusuf We read in Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 9 page 98: قيل إن جبريل عليه السلام دخل على يوسف عليه السلام حينما كان في السجن فقال إن بصر أبيك ذهب من الحزن عليك فوضع يده على رأسه وقال : ليت أمي لم تلدني ولم أك حزناً على أبي "It has been said that when Gebrail (pbuh) went to Yusuf (pbuh) in jail he (Gebrail) said to him: 'Your father has become blind due to the grief for you. Thus he (Yusuf) put his hand on his head and said: 'I wish if my mother didn’t give birth to me and there would not have been the reason for my father's grief." We have proven that the acts of hitting one's head are not Jahiliyya or Un-Islamic.In fact it is the Sunnah of Prophets Adam and Yusuf . The Shi'a mourn Imam Husayn as a form of remembrance. We seek to remember and share his suffering and pain, since assisting one in trouble is a recommended (Mustahab) act and a kind of worship. We also deem mourning and presenting our sincerity to Imam Husayn to be a form of worship. Beating oneself in times of trouble is the Sunnah of Umar We read in Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Aqd al Fareed, Volume 1 page 342: ولما نُعي النًّعمان بن مُقَرَّن إلى عمر بن الخطاب وضع يدَه على رأسه وصاح يا أسفي على النعمان When Umar received news of the death of Numan ibn Muqran, he placed his hand on his head and wailed: 'O my grief for Numan!' We find a similar narration in Kanz al Ummal, Vol.8, Page 117, Kitab al Maut: When Omar heard of Nu'man ibn Muqran's death he beat his head and screamed, "O what a pity that Nu'man died". When Umar mourns the death of his friend in such a way, the descendents of Mu'awiya remain silent, but if the Shi'a mourn Imam Husayn through such an act they are deemed Kaffirs. If Nasibis wish to accuse us of introducing Bidah into the religion then they should know that Umar introduced this long before the Rafidis! If such acts of hitting oneself and extreme wailing are prohibited then what was your Khalifa indulging in this act for? Beating and mourning by the wives of the Sahaba Before we expand on this reality let us begin by citing words that we had previously cited from Ibn al Hashimi who claims:Additionally–and this point cannot be stressed enough–there were many Sahabah who were killed in the Path of Allah, but the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) never mourned their deaths in the manner in which the Shia mourn Hussain (رضّى الله عنه). The Prophet lost his own dear uncle, his own wife, and many of his dearest companions, but do we see that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) ever resorted to self-flagellation or excessive mourning? The Shia can never provide such an example from the life of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), probably not even from Shia sources. Therefore, we find that it is not part of the Sunnah to mourn in such an uncivilized manner and we shall never take part in it because of this. Let us refute this Nasibi by citing Allamah Shibli Numani al Hanafi is a renowned Sunni scholar from the Indian subcontinent. In his Sirat-un Nabi (Eng translation Volume 2 pg 74) quoting Sirat Ibn Hisham we read the following about Hamzah martyrdom: "The Holy Prophet (P) returned to Madina and found the whole city gone into mourning. Whenever he went, he heard wailing and lamentation in every house. He was grieved to find that all who were martyred in the battle had their mourners doing their duty to the memory of their dear ones. But there was none to mourn the death of Hamzah . Overwhelmed with grief, the words that there was no one to mourn the loss of Hamzah escaped his lips. The Ansâris were touched to the core when they heard this remark from the Prophet(s). They asked their women to go to the house of the Prophet (S) and mourn for Hamzah. The Prophet (p) thanked them for their sympathy, prayed for their well-being, but added that it was not permissible to lament in memory of the dead. (Women in Arabia were used to wailing and lamenting aloud, they would tear off their garments, dig their nails into their cheeks, slap themselves on the face and put up loud screams. This undesirable practice was from that day stopped for future)" Nawasib such as Ibn al-Hashimi will no doubt take heart from the last few lines so let us pass a comment on them: Observation One Whilst these words are not acceptable for being contradictory to previous lines of the narration, our readers should also know that the words 'it is not permissible to lament in memory of the dead' is an addition that cannot be found in other history books. Al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Haqq Dehlavi in Madarij un Nabuwat records the event as follows: "When Holy Prophet (s) reached Madina, he saw that cries could be heard from most of the houses of Ansaar (the helpers) but not from Hamza's house. Holy Prophet (s) said that wasn't there anyone to cry over Hamza? The helpers (Ansaar) asked their women to mourn over Hamza first and then they may go and cry over their own martyr. The women went to Hamza's house in the evening and kept crying till midnight. When Holy Prophet(s) woke up and asked about it, he was told the whole thing. Holy Prophet(s) blessed them by saying" May Allah be pleased with you and your children." It has been similarly recorded in 'Isti'ab' that after Holy Prophet's query, "none of the wives of the helpers cried over their own dead but cried for Hamza", Therefore through no tradition, reference or logic can it be proved that Holy Prophet (s) stopped Ummah from crying over the death of their dear ones. Observation Two Our assertion that the words "It is not permissible to mourn over the dead" is a later addition is confirmed when we observe the first edition of Shibli Numani's work. We relied on the Urdu to English translation of Numani's work. Of interest is the fact that the part in brackets wherein the practice of mourning is condemned was added in later editions. The original statement as narrated in the first edition is mentioned above. Look at this report from "Seerat Un Nabi" part 1, page 361, published in 1975 by "Deeni Kutb Khana Islami, Lahore." "Holy Prophet (s) reached Madina, the whole of Madina had turned into a mourning place, his Excellency could hear voices of people mourning from every house, and Holy Prophet (s) felt grieved that all martyrs were being cried upon by their relatives but there was no one to mourn over Hamza. In severe grief he said: "Isn't there anyone to cry over Hamza?" The Helpers (Ansaar) palpitated when they heard this and therefore all of them asked their wives to go and mourn over Hamza's martyrdom. When Holy Prophet(s) saw that the females of Ansaar (the helpers) were mourning for Hamza, he blessed them and thanked them for their sympathy but he further said "It is not permissible to cry over dead." After this a whole paragraph from "This was a tradition in Arabia" till "intense love for Hamza" has been removed from the frst edition and further replaced by this new statement. This is the ingenuity of Syed Salman Nadvi who completed this book of his teacher (Shabli Naumani) after his death. This new paragraph is not present in the first edition. "Women in Arabia were used to wailing and lamenting aloud, they would tear off their garments, dig their nails into their cheeks, slap themselves on the face and put up loud screams. This undesirable practice was from that day stopped for future". The Urdu/Arabic alphabet "seen" in the text denotes that this statement was not present in the earlier edition and Syed Suleman Nadvi added it afterwards. Later editions simply removed th 'Seen' so as to imply that these words were those of Numani! Observation Three Whilst this shows how dishonest these Nasibi are, let us also address the comments of Nadvi: If Lamenting were Haraam why would the Prophet (s) be sad on the fact that no one was mourning his slain Uncle? Why would the Prophet (s) allow the women to do something that is Haraam? (i,e mourning for their own dead ones) If as Numani tells that this was a common practice amongst Arab women and the Prophet banned it, this prohibition would have definitely received maximum publicity. Observation Four Even if it is believed that Holy Prophet (s) did say 'It is not permissible to cry over the dead' such a statement would not effect our mourning because Imam Husayn is a martyr and it is forbidden to call them dead. Such restrictions are for those who die a natural death not those who are slain in the way of Allah (swt). Observation Five The reference makes it clear that our Holy Prophet (s) paid gratitude to those who consoled and mourned over Hamza's martyrdom. He approved of this act and blessed them with his prayers. Had it been a prohibited act the Prophet (s) would never have shown gratitude. This gratitude strengthens our point that the words 'It is not permissible to cry over the dead' has no correlation with the incident. Rather Syed Suleman Nadvi amended the statements in order to cover up Allamah Shibli Numani's blunder. The mourning of Hamza did not just end there; we have already cited the fact that the Holy Prophet (s) and the three Caliphs' would visit the graves of the martyrs every year. The next tradition in effect negates any notion of the Prophet's (s) banning such acts… Beating and mourning by the wives of the Prophet (s) Curiously, not a single wife of the Prophet (s) ever heard of this ban (as claimed by Nadvi in the previous reference). On the contrary Ayesha regarded by Ahl'ul Sunnah as the most knowledgeable women on Qur'an and Sunnah performed the following act when the Prophet (s) left this earth. As narrated by al Tabari in History Volume 9 page 183 (English translation by Ismail Poonawala): Abbas narrates: "I heard Ayesha saying "The Messenger of God died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of God died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women". Ibn Katheer al Nasibi in al Bidayah wa al Nihayah Volume 5 page 420 published by Nafees Academy Karachi records the event as follows: "Rasulullah (s) died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my face along with other women".

Hitting one's body in grief This is one of the favourite areas of exploitation for the Nasibi and they enjoy making fun and insisting that these practises are against the Shari'ah. They serve as further evidence that the Shi'a are a deviated Sect. Since they adhere to Umar ibn al Khattab's way famed for his words 'the Qur'an is sufficient for us' lets turn the tables on them. They keep asking us to prove our mourning rituals from the Qur'an such as crying, chest beating etc.We ask them to cite us any verse containing the words Matam, Latmiyah (blood letting) wherein Allah (swt) has declared such practices to be Haraam. No where in the Holy Qur'an has Matam been classified as Haraam. On the contrary, the stories of Prophets include examples of their mourning. As such, the permissibility of Matam is there in Qur'an but not its prohibition. Thus an act, for which there is no restriction of any kind by Islamic Laws, becomes permissible. It is Nasibi who have lied by stating that Matam is against patience and call only for patience instead! Mourning rituals and self harm as found in the Qur'an We read in Surah Nisa 004.148: YUSUFALI: Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things. This verse makes it clear that the public's relaying of injustice is permissible. Relaying the suffering of a victim is permissible. Major efforts are made to prove that the term mourning is proof that Matam is Haraam under the Shari'ah. On the contrary breast-beating, bloods letting all come within the term mourning and its purpose is to convey the pains inflicted on the victim, something which the Quran has sanctioned. We the Shi'a perform all these acts as Allah (swt) has permitted us to do so, and the opposition of Nasibi is only on account for their love and support for Imam Husayn 's killers. Mourning and shedding blood is the Sunnah of Prophet Adam We read in Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Ma'arij al Nubuwwah, Chapter 1 page 248: "Adam was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen". Those who deem the act of self-harm to be batil should look at the bloodletting actions of Adam . If Adam can do this why cannot the Shi'a when mourning for Imam Husayn ? Mourning and hitting one self is the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) As evidence we shall cite the following works: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 446 Sunan al Nasai, Volume 3 page 305 Adaab al Mufarad, page 426 Sahih Muslim Volume 1 page 291 Musnad Abu Aawna, Volume 2 page 292 We read in Sahih Bukhari: Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib: That Allah's Apostle came to him and Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle at their house at night and said, "Won't you pray?" 'Ali replied, "O Allah's Apostle! Our souls are in the Hands of Allah and when he wants us to get up, He makes us get up." When 'Ali said that to him, Allah's Apostle left without saying anything to him. While the Prophet was leaving, 'Ali heard him striking his thigh (with his hand) and saying, "But man is quarrelsome more than anything else." (18.54) Ibn Hajr Asqalani in the commentary of this tradition in Fatah al Bari, Volume 3 page 11 writes: قوله يضرب فخذه فيه جواز ضرب الفخذ عند التأسف "His statement 'striking his thigh' shows the permission of striking the thigh to express the grief" If hitting oneself is Haraam then what Fatwa do the Nawasib have for the Prophet (s)? The Pillar of Shari'ah is himself hitting his chest, so if the Shi'a do the same, why are their actions Batil? Thigh beating is the Sunnah of Maula Ali We read in Tauhfa Ithna Ashari page 523 published in Karachi: "When Ayesha was defeated and Ali saw the corpses on the ground he began to beat his thighs"

janab thareef-e-Quran hamara aqida nai hay hain agher 2,4 aalem aysa kuch khatay hain tu wo un ka zaati point of view hay iss ko aqiday ka naam dayna app aqli kamzori hay.agher app pher b nai matay tu aak naya topic start kro. may apnay fiqay ka defa krnay k liye hazer hojao'n ga.

o bahi topic change kyun kr rahay ho.

beta g thumhain matam Quran se sabit kr k dakha sakta hon lakin tum jaisa lanti nasibee jis ko bukhari may Rasool saw takzeeb nazer nai aty wo mardud TU Quran ko b juthla sakta hay. matam tu Ambya A.S KI SUNNAT HAY.hazrat Umer ,aur RASOOL SAW KA BUKAHIRE ka matam tu app andhoon ko nazer nai aata tu QURAN TU BAD KI BAT HAY.

tm jao bhar me lannti ma ne apni video me suni hawaly ky sath proof kya hy OR QUran ki bat kraty ho to videos me Quran ka be refrence dya gaya hy maviya ki aolad mery mu say galiyan suny sy or apni bissti krwany sy acha hy ky phely mery posts perha kro chavl insan chavliyan na mara kro or matm to HUM RAsool saww ki Sunat samaj krty hain khabiss to tm ho jo anpy ap ko suni be khaty ho OR Rasool ki sunaton per ammal be nai krty phely beta phar ky ao per bat krna Nooh a.s ki bat krty ho to un ka NAm Noha khani ki waja sy pera tha un ka assal nam ABUdal ghafar a.s tha Or In a.s ka zikar Quran me ALLAHA In ko NOoh (noha perny wala) khay kr pukara hy

jinab matam wo nai hum kraty hy unka jis trha ky RAsool saww ne kya tha or matam krny walo duaay be di thi ko dua iss video ko dakh lyna ab darmay na krna chalo tm ne ye to mana ky RONA jaiz hy ab apny bhaio'n ko be samja dyna:lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHVvWd2z8gg&feature=PlayList&p=F2A1A6530FD59BAB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=33