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Salam, Janab aap bhi bohat chalaki say kaam lay rahay hay Kya aap issay Mashwara kehtay hay?Yay saaf alfaaz may fatwa hay!Phir malfoozat may kyon kaha kay agar koi aur kahay to mana nahi karengay?Kya yay khula tazad nahi?Ab batao konsi baat jhoti hay? Wasallam.

Salam, Ap nay kaha... AAP nay to nihayat chalaki say kaam liya hay.Ahmed Raza Khan kay risalay ka to upaar wali line may pehlay hi zikr ho chuka hay phir doobara kyon?"Uss matlab" say muraad Hussam Al Haramyn may Ahmed Raza Khan nay jo matlab liya hay ibaraat ka. Meri Scan ka page 384 aur 385 10 bar parhay doobara. Wasallam.

Salam, Is may Thanvi Sahab ka khidr comparison ho raha hay?Kya baaz Uloom Ghabiya auro kay paas bhi nahi hotay? Wasallam.

Salam, Jaha tak Shah Ismail Dehlvi ka taluq hay to yay parhay: AB batao Malfoozat ki baat jooti hay ya Tamheed Iman kee? Wasallam.

Salam, Janab aap nay bhi Molana Ashraf Ali Thanvi Sahab ki ibaraat ki akhri lines ka zikr hi nahi kiya apnay Ala Hazrat ki tarha jis say saaf saaf sachai wazay ho jati hay.Mulahiza ho: Agar "Aisa" say murad , Itna aur Is Jaisa hi tha , to Molana sahab akri line may yay kabhi na farmatay kay "har shaks ko kisi...". Wasallam.

Salam, Lagta hay aap ko bohat bay chane ho rahi hay.AAp alag say koi thread start karay.Us may baat kartay hay.Waisay aap is forum kay sab say ba-tameez aur shareef insaan lagtay hay.Baki sab to gali galoch kartay rehtay hay. Wasallam.

Salam, Lagta hay kay aap logo kay pas hi Jannat ka paka ticket hay aur bas aap log hi Sachay Ashiq e Rasool Sallallaho Alayhi Wa Sallam ho baki sab kafir. Wasallam.

Salam, NEVER EVER has such a thought passed my mind that Prophet Sallallaho Alayhi Wa Sallam is a lowly bashr like us , let alone saying such a thing.You have attributed a lie to me. For the first time I listened to this Hadith: It is related from Jaabir (Radiallahu anhu) that he said: " I once saw Rasulullah (Sallallahu alaihe wasallam) on the night of a full moon. On that night he wore red clothing. At times I looked at the full moon and at times at Rasulullah (Sallallahu alaihe wasallam) . Ultimately I came to the conclusion that Rasulullah (Sallallahu alaihe wasallam) was more handsome, beautiful and more radiant than the full moon." my eyes were filled with tears.Only Allah Ta'ala knows our intentions. However it is my fault and I'm sorry that i failed to understand your statement and i thought as if you considered Prophet Sallallaho Alayhi Wa Sallam a bashr apparently but not in reality just as your akabireen.You can find the book references on this forum in minutes. Wasallam.

Salam, AAP log to Hafiz Ibn Kathir Rehmaulla ko bhi nahi mantay :-( Wasallam.

Salam, AAP yahi baat Shehzad bhai say kyon nahi kehtay?Aur mujhay to lagta hay kay aap ko mujh say koi zaati bughz aur keena hay.Please aisa na karay. Wasallam. Wasallam.

Salam, تمام اہلسنت والجماعت کا یہ متفقہ عقیدہ ہے کہ مافوق الاسباب امور غیر عادیہ میں کسی کو مشکل کشا حاجت روا مدد گار و معین یا کسی ذات کو مختار کل سمجھنا شرک ہے ۔اور امور عادیہ میں کسی سے مدد طلب کرنے میں کوئی مضائقہ نہیں جیسے کسی سے پانی یا قرض یا کھانا وغیرہ کوئی اور چیز طلب کرلی۔ حاجت روا ،مشکل کشا،دستگیر کے الفاظ اپنے مدلول حقیقی کے اعتبار سے نہ تو بذات خود شرکیہ ہیں نہ ان میں شرک والا معنی پایا جاتا ہے مثلا حاجت روا کا معنی ہے مطلقا کسی کی کوئی حاجت ضرورت پورا کردینا مشکل کشا کسی کی کوئی مشکل حل کردینا دستگیر مدد کرنا وغیرہ وغیرہ مگر چونکہ ہمارے ہاں برصغیر میں شیعہ اور بریلوی حضرات ان الفاظ کو ایسے مفہوم و مدلول پر استعمال کرنا شروع کردیا جو صراحة شرک ہیں اس لئے ہم اللہ کے سوا کسی اور ہستی پر ان الفاظ کے اطلاق کو درست نہیں سمجھتے چنانچہ جب کوئی بریلوی کسی پیر یا ولی یا غوث کو مشکل کشا کہتا ہے تو اس کا یہ عقیدہ ہوتا ہے کہ وہ ہستی عالم الغیب،حاضر و ناظر ،اور مختار کل سمجھتا ہے ۔اور یہ شرک بلکہ کفر ہے ۔غرض شرک ان الفاظ میں نہیں بلکہ ان الفاظ کو جو عوارض لاحق ہوگئے ہیں اس کی وجہ سے ہے۔ اس بات کو مختلف مثالوں سے اس طرح سمجھیں جیسے بکری کہ فی نفسہ حلال ہے مگر جب اس پر ذبح کرتے ہوئے اللہ کے سوا کسی اور کا نام لیا جائے یا ذبح ک بجائے دم گھونٹ کر مارا جائے تو مردار۔ اسی طرح لفظ ”راعنا“ میں فی نفسہ کوئی قباحت نہ تھی مگر چونکہ یہودی اس کو حضور صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی توہین کیلئے استعمال کرتے تھے اس لئے اس لفظ سے منع فرمادیا ۔اسی طرح لفظ حاجت روا ،مشکل کشا وغیرہ اپنے معنی لغوی کی وجہ سے نہ شرک نہ کفر مگر آپ حضرات چونکہ اس سے وہ معنی مراد لیتے ہیں جو صراحة شرک ہے اس لئے ممنوع۔اور ہمارے اکابر جب کسی کو حاجت روا یا مشکل کشا کہہ دیں تو چونکہ وہ اس ذات کو نہ حاضر ناظر مانتے ہیں نہ عالم الغیب نہ مختار کل بلکہ اس کے معنی لغوی جو امور عادیہ میں مستعمل ہیں مراد لیتے ہیں اس لئے ان کے استعمال پر کوئی قباحت نہیں۔ دیکھیں نعیم الدین مراد آبادی کہتا ہے کہ ”بشر“ کے لفظ میں توہین کا پہلو ہے اس لئے انبیاءکیلئے یہ لفظ ممنوع ہے ۔مگر پیر مہر علی شاہ کہتے ہیں کہ ”بشر“ کا لفظ تو ہے ہی متضمن بصفت کمال ۔آپ کے سعیدی صاحب کہتے ہیں کہ پیر صاحب نے درست فرمایا کہ یہ بشر متضمن بصفت کمال ان کیلئے ہے جن کی نظر بصیرت ان صفات تک پہنچ سکے لہٰذا یہ اطلاق کاملین کیلئے تو جائز ہوگا مگر عوام یا عام آدمی کی نظر چونکہ ان کمالات تک نہیں پہنچ سکتی لہٰذا اس کیلئے ممنوع بلکہ باعث توہین ہوگا۔اب لفظ ایک ہے مگر لوگوں کے عقیدہ بدل جانے کی وجہ سے حکم تبدیل ہوگیا۔ اسی طرح سمجھیں کہ جب آپ کسی کو مختار کل مان کر مشکل کشا کہیں گے تو ممنو ع اور اگر ایسا نہیں تو جائزہے. بھائی نے اسی معنی کو کفر کہا جو آپ سمجھتے ہیں یعنی جس معنی میں آپ اولیاءاللہ سے مد د طلب کرتے ہیں وہ شرک ہے اس معنی میں مدد صرف اللہ کرتا ہے Wasallam.

Salam, Mujhay Nida Ya Rasoolallah say masla nahi , balkay mujhay Nida " Ya Rasoolallah madad" pay iteraz hay woh bhi hazir o nazir samjh kay kehnay pay. Wasallam.

Salam, Janab Shehzad sahab Kya unnho nay "Ya Rasoolallah Madad" kaha?Kya yay unka aqeeda tha?Kya aap mujhay dikha saktay hay? Wasallam.

Bismillah, Dear MohammadAli, The context in which i quoted this hadith was in the sense that all Human Beings are created from clay and mind it , NO where did i say that Prophet Sallallho Alayhi Wa Sallam was a Bashar like us rather he was an Akmal-ul-Bashar, Syed-ul-Bashar and and Afzal-ul-Bashar than all of Us but still you pass a statement of kufr on me.So sad.Why I really posed this hadith was because some of your elders deny his bashariat.Now look at your above statement then this: Can't you still see who is heading which way?Are your eyes still closed?Allah Ta'ala aap ko samajh ata farmai aur gumrahi say bachai.Ameen. Wasallam.

حدثنا هشام بن عبد الملك، وعفان، قالا حدثنا عبيد الله بن إياد، حدثنا إياد، عن أبي رمثة، قال انطلقت مع أبي نحو رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فلما رأيته قال لي أبي هل تدري من هذا قلت لا فقال لي أبي هذا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فاقشعررت حين قال ذاك وكنت أظن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم شيئا لا يشبه الناس فإذا بشر له وفرة قال عفان في حديثه ذو وفرة وبها ردع من حناء عليه ثوبان أخضران فسلم عليه أبي ثم جلسنا فتحدثنا ساعة ثم إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لأبي ابنك هذا قال إي ورب الكعبة قال حقا قال أشهد به فتبسم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ضاحكا من ثبت شبهي بأبي ومن حلف أبي علي ثم قال أما إنه لا يجني عليك ولا تجني عليه قال وقرأ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏{‏ولا تزر وازرة وزر أخرى‏}‏ قال ثم نظر إلى مثل السلعة بين كتفيه فقال يا رسول الله إني لأطب الرجال ألا أعالجها لك قال لا طبيبها الذي خلقها‏.‏ Here Abu Ramtha Radillaho Anho clearly said, I thought Prophet peace be upon him was not Like other People, Suddenly i saw him that he was Bashar. [Musnad Ahmad Hadeeth no: 6934, Zawaid e Musnad Ahmad 2/227-228, Authenticated by Shaykh Shaoib aranoot in Taleeq al Musnad Vol 11 page 280, Authenticated by Hakim in al-Mustadrak 2/425 and Dahabee agreed with him, Ibn Hibban mentioned in his Saheeh no: 5995] Scan http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/PQAAACwC6t-ZHNoJBLwpGbC13TRSMMlbpTn9ah4tGn0Wone7vOyozv2XsyoxkuXJEBoZgqe5MdOebmzMb5bI6vgjP28Am1T1UJjeFthvHcJ_8NCcawXdanxs1Jiq.jpg http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/PQAAAM50dfD26LBavUl3bfn8JNgd9PEgJSLe2YRzAs4VwnbbMMmsepxfZt-fFkU-2NuabDhyKruMysH_jZSIBspktWkAm1T1UEMwqtbroXg6CJXgWOebaDohNUU5.jpg

Salam, My response is now complete and you may reply but remember these points: 1.) You have to reply to ALL hadith 2.) You have to support your arguments with quotes from the great Muffasirs, Muhadiths and Fuqahaa as i have done WITHOUT self-interpretation. If you can't do this, then don't bother replying. Wasallam.

Assalam u alaikum. I will In Sha' Allah reply soon.Busy meanwhile. Wasallam.

Bismillah, Alhamdulillah wa Salatu wa Salamu 'ala Rasulillah, Janab, Is tarha kaam nahi chalay ga jee.Pehlay meray upar walay sawalo ka jawab day. Wasallam.

Bismillah, Alhamdulillah wa Salatu wa Salamu 'ala Rasulillah, Janab, Mujhay aap logo ki samajh nahi ati.Kabi kya kehtay ho aur kabhi kya.Ab yay hawalay parhay: Is may toh woh Law AL Mahfooz say bhi agay nikaal gay hay. Ahmad Yaar Khan Naeemi said: Some people consider knowledge of prophet(pbuh) equal to Allah(swt) with difference of his own knowledge and knowledge given (atai). But shaykh Abdul Haq didn’t declare such people mushrik, rather called them knowledgeable(learned). With this we come to know that believing in prophet’s knowledge of unseen is not shirk. [Ja al Haq page 86 under the discussion of Ilm Gayb, ] Scan : http://www.alahazrat.net/library/UrduBooks/Ja-Al-Haq/index.php?page=31. iii) Ahmad Raza Khan Brailwi He went two steps a head and quoted that even Shaykh Abdul Qadir jelani knows everything of Lawh AL Mahfooz as he quoted the words of Shaykh Jilani ra from Qaseeda Gawthiya (which is falsely attributed to him by brailwiyah) in his Malfuzat "I have seen all the cities of Allah like a small piece" (Ahmad raza commented) And this seeing was not specific to some time rather this hukm is continuous. And he (Jilani ra) said "My eyes are looking Lawh al Mahfooz (preserved tablet)" (Ahmad Raza commented) What is Lawh al Mahfooz? Allah says "And everything they did is in written records" and Allah says "We have not neglected in the Register a thing" and Allah says " and no moist or dry [thing] but that it is [written] in a clear record" (Ahmad Raza commented) When this is place of Lawh al Mahfooz that in it, It is written the happenings of whole of universe from the first day to the last so whoever knows the knowledge of it, Indeed he has the knowledge of whole of universe [Malfuzat e Ala Hazrat urdu edition pages 29-30] Scan:http://www.alahazrat.net/library/UrduBooks/malfoozat-e-alahazrat/index.php?page=29 Wasallam.

Bismillah, Alhamdulillah wa Salatu wa Salamu 'ala Rasulillah, Janab, AAP mujhay bohat hi masoom lagtay hay. 1.) SHAH ABDUL HAQ MUHADITH DEHLVI RH. Dar-UL-Uloom Deoband kay bannay say taqreeban 300 saal pehlay kay hay.Unka DEOBAND say koi direct link nahi . 2.) SHAH Sahab waisay bhi koi Sharee' Daleel/Hujjat Nahi jo unsay apna aqeeda akaz karay. 3.Ab zara yay parhay. 4.) Phir Yay parhay. Akhri do nuktay ghor say parhay.Is say aap khud hi chup ho jaingay. WASALLAM.

Bismillah, Alhamdulillah wa Salatu wa Salamu 'ala Rasulillah, Janab, Agar كُلَّ شَىْ say Muraad SAB KUCH janay kay hay, to phir in ayat par ghor farmayay. Hazrat Musa Alayhi Salam kay liyay bhi كُلَّ شَىْ aya hay(16:154) ثُمَّ ءَاتَيْنَا مُوسَى ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ تَمَامًا عَلَى ٱلَّذِىٓ أَحْسَنَ وَتَفْصِيلًۭا لِّكُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ وَهُدًۭى وَرَحْمَةًۭ لَّعَلَّهُم بِلِقَآءِ رَبِّهِمْ يُؤْمِنُونَ Poori Insaniyaat kay liyay bhi كُلَّ شَىْ aya hay(17:12) وَجَعَلْنَا ٱلَّيْلَ وَٱلنَّهَارَ ءَايَتَيْنِ ۖ فَمَحَوْنَآ ءَايَةَ ٱلَّيْلِ وَجَعَلْنَآ ءَايَةَ ٱلنَّهَارِ مُبْصِرَةًۭ لِّتَبْتَغُوا۟ فَضْلًۭا مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَلِتَعْلَمُوا۟ عَدَدَ ٱلسِّنِينَ وَٱلْحِسَابَ ۚ وَكُلَّ شَىْءٍۢ فَصَّلْنَـٰهُ تَفْصِيلًۭا Dhul Qarnain kay liyay bhi كُلَّ شَىْ aya hay(18:84) إِنَّا مَكَّنَّا لَهُۥ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَءَاتَيْنَـٰهُ مِن كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ سَبَبًۭا To kya AAP Sallallaho Alayhi Wasallam , Poori Insaniyaat , Hazrat Musa Alayhi Salam aur Dhul Qarnain ka Ilm barabar huwa? MazAllah. AB zara in tamam Hazrat ki Surah 16 Verse 89 may كُلِّ شَىْ ka matlaab check karay.: Tabari, Zamakhshari, Razi, Qurtubi, Baydawi, Jalal al-Din Mahalli and Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, Fayruzabadi, Shawkani, Baghawi, Khazin, Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Nasafi, Abu Hayyan, Abu al-Sa'ud, Isma'il al-Haqqi, Tabrani .... Taskeen ul Kawatir eik taraf aur baki saray eik taraf. والله أعلم

AAP khud ki dekh ay kon kehta hay.

Janab, AAP sab logo say guzarish kay bare safai say aap logo nay topic hi change kardiya aur asaal mazmoon say hath gay.Mujhay abhi tak kisi nay bhi meri saab say pehli post ka jawab nahi diya.Agar kisi may bhi himaat hay to meri asli post ko ghor say parhay aur apnay Ala Hazrat ko sacha sabit karay. Wasallam.

Did the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) approve of the hearing and seeing type of witnessing if not negate it? How does the understanding that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) was sent as a hearing seeing type of witness go in favour of the Tafsir which Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) gave? I mean how can you deduce the meaning of Hazir o Nazir for the word "Shahid" from Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam')'s own Tafsir when he did not give such a meaning himself?Moreover the other hadith which i have quoted substantiates my proof of using the word, "Shahid" to mean Witness based on the previous knowledge that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) had received through revelation and not "Actual" witnessing in the sense that you refer to. Please read the following hadith once again. Volume 8, Book 76, Number 533 : Narrated by Ibn 'Abbas The Prophet stood up among us and addressed (saying) "You will be gathered, barefooted, naked, and uncircumcised (as Allah says): 'As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it..' (21.104) And the first human being to be dressed on the Day of Resurrection will be (the Prophet) Abraham Al-Khalil. Then will be brought some men of my followers who will be taken towards the left (i.e., to the Fire), and I will say: 'O Lord! My companions whereupon Allah will say: you do not know what they did after you left them. I will then say as the pious slave, Jesus said, And I was witness over them while I dwelt amongst them...(up to) ...the All-Wise.' (5.117-118). The narrator added: Then it will be said that those people (relegated from Islam, that is) kept on turning on their heels (deserted Islam). Moreover can you Quote me any major Tafseers which take the meaning of "Shahid" used in the above verses in the Hazir o Nazir sense.From most of the Tafseers which i have come across , all take the meaning of Shahid in the sense which i have stated.You need to produce strong proof to show that, Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) stating that people will bear witness in defence of Prophets and he will bare witness upon the people is ACTUALLY the hearing seeing type of witness and NOT the witness based on Previous Knowledge and the news that He (sallallahu alayhi was'sallam) had received from the Holy Quran(i.e. the News that Allah Ta'ala has already foretold that the Prophets Alayhi Salam had indeed convyed the messages.) Can you provide proof for your claim that this State is all the time?On the contrary we find the following hadith. Narrated Um Salama: The Prophet heard the voices of some people quarreling near his gate, so he went to them and said, "I am only a human being and litigants with cases of disputes come to me, and maybe one of them presents his case eloquently in a more convincing and impressive way than the other, and I give my verdict in his favor thinking he is truthful. So if I give a Muslim's right to another (by mistake), then that (property) is a piece of Fire, which is up to him to take it or leave it." [sahih Bukhari Book #89, Hadith#295] Can you please tell me about this fundamental aqeeda which i have highlighted in red?Can you please show me this aqeedah in the books of Aqaid? On the contrary I have quoted the above hadith.