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Disrespect And Insult Of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallm) In Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi's Statement Of Hifz ul-Iman. Introduction: Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi a Deobandi scholar is a controversial personality. Scholars like of Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat (alayhi rahma) deem him to be Kafir due to Shaykh Thanvi writing a statement which insults Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). This brief article will attempt to explain how Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi’s statement of Hifz ul-Iman is disrespectful and insults Prophet (sallallahua layhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Insulting And Disrespectful Statement Of Hifz ul-Iman: “If according to Zaid it is correct to attribute knolwedge of Ghayb to holy being (of Prophet) then matter needs to be enquired; is intended meaning of this Ghayb; baaz Ghayb or qull Ghayb (of Allah); if baaz knowledge of Ghayb is intended; then in this what is so unique about Hadhoor (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam); Ghayb knowledge like-this is even possessed by Zayd and Amr; every infant, lunatic, all animals and quadrupeds; because every person knows something which is hidden from another person. (If knowing Ghayb is criteria of attributing title;) then we should call everyone of them Aalim al-Ghayb.” [Ref: Hifz ul-Iman, by Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Page15, here] Shaykh Negates Uniqueness And Compares Prophetic Ghayb: There are two important features of his statement: i) Shaykh Thanvi negates uniqueness/speciality of Prophet Muhammad’s (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) via his knowledge of Ghayb. ii) In order to negate/refute speciality of Prophet Muhammad’s (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) knowledge of Ghayb Shaykh compares his knowledge of Ghayb with Zayd and Amr (i.e. regular Joe’s), infants, lunatics, and animals of all types. Aysha’s (radiallah ta’ala anha) Reaction When Counted Amongst Destables: It is recorded in Ahadith if dog, donkey, and a woman pass infront of person performing Salah then it would be invalidated: “It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet said: “The prayer is severed by a woman, a dog and a donkey.” [Ref: Ibn Majah, B5, H950] “It was narrated from ‘Abdullah bin Mughaffal that the Prophet said: “The prayer is severed by a woman, a dog and a donkey.” [Ref: Ibn Majah, B5, H951] When this was mentioned presence of wife of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) she took exception to mention/inclusion of women into this; as it is established from following Hadith: “Narrated Aisha: The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said: ‘You have made our (women) comparision with donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet.’” [Ref: Bukhari, B9, H493] Please note the mere mention of women in the list of unclean animals offended her and took it to mean women are being compared with animals. Shaykh Thanvi explicitly compared Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) through his knowledge with the mentioned: “… Ghayb knowledge like-this is even possessed by Zayd and Amr; every infant, lunatic, all animals and quadrupeds …” First of all to even mention Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) amongst the mentioned is insulting and disrespectful. By comparing RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) with mentioned even in knowledge denotes Shaykh Thanvi deemed Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to be equale and like the mentioned in knowledge. Insult And Disrespect Of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam): To put it into perspective of UK incident. Recently went for a hair cut. Not having much to do while waiting for my turn I decided to pic news paper and read. What I read in it prompted me to come home and YouTube said incident to see what the fuss was about. A young boy, Ned Woodman, tiny comedian. His first insult/pun began: Why were people so excited to see the talking dog on the Britian’s Got Talent? Amanda Holden has been on it for years. The audience gasped and judges gasped with mouths wide open. What he insinuated was obvious: He called one of talent show judge as a talking dog. If you logically follow what he said then; he implied people are not excited about Amanda Holden talking on BGT then there is no cause for being excited about talking dog being on BGT. Ofcourse there is an argument to be made in defence of Ned Woodman but the easily accessible and first impression cannot be defended. Deobandis too feel there is justification and Shaykh Thanvi’s statement is defendable and so they attempt it. But they cannot escape the injunctions resulted from following verse: "O believers say not (to the Messenger): word raina (i.e. consider us), but say undhurna (i.e. look upon us); and listen (to him): For those disblievers there is a grievous punishment." [Ref: 2:104] Shaykh Thanvi compared Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) with mentioned due to his knowledge and little Ned Woodman compared Amanda to talking dog because of her talking. The apparent and easily accessible implication of second is; Ned called her talking dog. So what should the conclusion be with regards to Shaykh Thanvi comparing Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to mentioned in knolwedge? That Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is a infant in knowledge, lunatic in his knowledge and no better then infants and lunatics in knowledge. Astaghfir ullah ul-azeem. How can this not be insult and disrespect of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam)! Comparing To Destable And Unclean Is For Insulting And Disrespect: If one says; Shaykh Thanvi is a human being like Dajjal. Or says; Shaykh Thanvi is like village idiot in knowledge of Tajweed. Shaykh Thanvi and cursed Dajjal are both human beings and in being human being they are like each other. By comparing him to a an enemy of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) even in Bashariyyah (i.e. humaness) indicates Shaykh is being insulted. Shaykh Thanvi may have equal knowledge of Tajweed, plus/minus bits, like a village idiot but to compare him to an idiot is to insult him. Shaykh Thanvi compared Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) in his knowledge to animals, infants, lunatics, every day Joe’s, unclean carnivorous animals in his following statement: “… Ghayb knowledge like-this is even possessed by Zayd and Amr; every infant, lunatic, all animals and quadrupeds …” Yes he may not have intended to do so but from his statement he is indeed guilty of disrespecting Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). In our daily language we compare people with detestables to insult or to imply an insult. We say; stop eating like a pig. Even though it means stop eating too much. Is that appropriate way of putting it? Ojbective behind is to degrade through comparision in order to achieve the objective – i.e. eating less. So when Shaykh Thanvi compares prophetic knowledge to knowledge of lunatics and infants the primary objective is to degrade Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Shaykh wants to belittle Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to prevent Muslims from believing that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi wa’sallam) is Aalim ul-Ghayb. From his perspective; when the Muslims realize there is nothing special about his knowledge of Ghayb in comparision to lunatics and infants then there is no reason to hold to the belief at all. Conclusion: Shaykh Thanvi’s statement of Hifz ul-Iman compares Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) to infants, lunatics, regular Joe’s, herbivores and carnivores. And it is matter of principle; when a superior is compared to detestable, unclean, and it results a merit being negated then insult is always meant. Also merely being mentioned amongst the list of donkey, dog, and pig is enough to indicate insult and disrespect but when a great personality is compared to inferior merit of lowly then insult is always meant. Shaykh Thanvi compared the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) through his prophetic knowledge to knowledge of lowly and disrespected Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Shaykh Thanvi was indeed guilty of insulting Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and is guilty of negating uniqueness oprophetic knowledge of Ghayb in comparision to infants, lunatics, animals, and regular Joe’s. And fact is prophetic knowledge is unique and special and how and why is for another article. Wama alayna ilal-balaghul mubeen. Muhammed Ali Razavi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Implications Of Shaykh Thanvi’s Baaz And Ba-wasta Categorisation On Statement Of Hifz ul-Iman. Introduction: Questioner enquired from Shaykh Thanvi about one who believes RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is Aalim ul-Ghayb (i.e. knower of Ghayb) and believes knowledge of Ghayb of RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is ba-wasta (i.e. through means). While responding to the questioner Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi a founding father of Deobandism made a very distasteful and disrespectful statement about Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and his Ghayb knowledge. In order to negate the uniqueness of Prophet Muhammad’s (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) he compared the knowledge of Ghayb of RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) with knowledge of Ghayb of; infants, lunatics, animals, quadrupeds, Zaid and Amr. Effort will be made to make clear the sort of Ghuyub inclusive of ba-wasta/baaz and how they effect the meaning of his already offensive statement. Relevent Statements Of Hifz ul-Iman: “A certain individual, Amr, stated prostration is of two types, worship, respect, and when on to state Amr believes prostration of respect for other then Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is permissible. And believes Tawaf around the graves (of Awliyah-Allah) is permissible. Evidence of permissibility … Amr also stated Knowledge of Ghayb is bil-Zaat , in this meaning only Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) is Aalim ul-Ghayb. And ba-wasta (i.e. bil-Ardh, with means) and in this meaning RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) was Aalim ul-Ghayb. How is Amr’s this evidence (and what is legal ruling on Amr’s) these actions and belief?” [Ref: Hifz ul-Iman, by Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Page2, here] “Shar’ri application of Mutliq Ghayb (i.e. boundless Ghayb) is upon Ghayb which cannot be established by evidence and for which there is no mean or way of comprehension. On this [stated] foundation it has been stated (in Quran): "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah …” (27:65) and: “And if I knew the unseen, I could have …” (7:188) And knowledge which is via means (i.e. ba-wasta) on this (type of knowledge) application of (word) Ghayb is need of qarina (i.e. evidential support).” [Ref: Hifz ul-Iman, by Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Page14, here] “If according to Zaid it is correct to attribute knolwedge of Ghayb to holy being (of Prophet) then matter needs to be enquired; is intended meaning of this Ghayb; baaz Ghayb or qull Ghayb (of Allah); if baaz knowledge of Ghayb is intended; then in this what is so unique about Hadhoor (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam); Ghayb knowledge like-this is even possessed by Zayd and Amr; every infant, lunatic, all animals and quadrupeds; because every person knows something which is hidden from another person. (If knowing Ghayb is criteria of attributing title;) then we should call everyone of them Aalim al-Ghayb.” [Ref: Hifz ul-Iman, by Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Page15, here] Termonologies Employed And How They Are In Agreement: Bil-Zaat (بالذات, i.e. of Self) is opposite of Bil-A’rdh (بالعرض, i.e. through means). Bil-Zaat is for Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and Bil-A’rdh is for creation. Bila-Wasta (بلاوسطہ , i.e. without means) is opposite of Ba-wasta (بواسطہ , i.e. with means). Bila-Wasta is for Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and Ba-wasta is for creation. Mutliq (مطلق , i.e. boundless/limitless) is opposite of Muqayyid (مقيد , i.e. restricted). Mutliq is for Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and Muqayyid is for His creation. Baaz (بعض, i.e. partial, some) is opposite of Qull (کل, i.e. all, every). Termonologies Used For Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) And His Creation: The terminologies of; bil-Zaat, bila-Wasta, Qull and Mutliq are for Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and following are used for creation including RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam); bil-Ardh, bil-Wasta, Baaz, and Muqayyid. Scholarly Practice One From Set Is Entire Set In Context Of Tawheed: By employing one or another scholars tend to indicate entire set. So even though Shaykh Thanvi and questioner used different terminologies both are actually referring to same Ghayb. Precision Nazi’s should note questioner mentioned, بواسطہ, and, بالذات. Shaykh used, بواسطہ, and, مطلق. And in the problematic statement he used, بعض. Questioner and Shaykh used Ba-wasta and Shaykh in problematic statement used Baaz for knowledge of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). In light of this both Baaz and Ba-wasta will be inserted into context. The word difference of Ba-wasta and Baaz means has no real significance because both referr to same knowledge of Ghayb and it will be established ahead. Detail Of Ba-wasta Type Of Ghayb: Ba-wasta means, through means, via means, and such knowledge of Ghayb can be gained through supernatural sight and hearing, and be informed by another. In detail of ba-wasta it is important to point out that there are three main types of ba-wasta type of Ghuyub: i) Akhbar e Ghayb (i.e. news of Ghayb), ii) Mushayda e Ghayb (i.e. seeing of Ghayb), iii) Sama’at e Ghayb (i.e. hearing of Ghayb). Note all knowledge of Ghayb is ba-Atah (i.e. with granting) of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) including ba-wasta (i.e. with means) because Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) grants through means of His choosing. In the next section each type of Ghayb will be briefly explained with its evidences. News Of Ghayb: There are verses of Quran which clearly and emphatically state Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) received news of Ghayb: “That is from the news of the Ghayb which We reveal to you. And you were not with them when they cast their pens as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed.” [Ref: 3:44] “That is from the news of the Ghayb which We reveal to you, you knew it not, neither you nor your people, before this. So be patient; indeed, the (best) outcome is for the righteous.” [Ref: 11:49] “That is from the news of the Ghayb which We reveal to you. And you were not with them when they put together their plan while they conspired.” [Ref: 12:102] Yet the foremost evidence for this type of Ghayb is Quran because entire Quran is news/report from Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) to Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) states: “Say, "I do not know if what you are promised is near or if my Lord will grant for it a (long) period." (25) (He is) Knower of the Ghayb (i.e. hidden), and He does not disclose His (knowledge of the) Ghayb to anyone.(26) Except whom He has approved as Messengers, and indeed, He sends before each Messenger and behind him observers.(27) That he may know that they have conveyed the messages of their Lord; and He has encompassed whatever is with them and has enumerated all things in number.”(28) [Ref:72:25/27] There are two interpretationf of these verses.[1] If verse 26 is understood in context of verse 26, 27, and 28, then Ghayb is Quran. And interpretation is: Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) the knower of Ghayb (i.e. Aalim ul-Ghayb) grants knowledge of Ghayb to Messengers and accompanies them with angels so Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) knows that the Prophets convey the Message of Ghayb,Wahi/revelation, Quran in context of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Also another verse which reffers to revelation/Wahi, which eventually resulted in Quran, hence establishing Quran is part of Ghuyub known to RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam): “Nor would Allah reveal to you the unseen. But (instead), Allah chooses of His messengers whom He wills, so believe in Allah and His messengers. And if you believe and fear Him, then for you is a great reward.” [Ref: 3:179] Also Ahadith record Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) foretold everything to take place till the day of judgment: “Narrated Umar: One day the Prophet stood up amongst us for a long period and informed us about the beginning of creation (and talked about everything in detail) till he mentioned how the people of Paradise will enter their places and the people of Hell will enter their places. Some remembered what he had said, and some forgot it.” [Ref: Bukhari, B54, H414] “Narrated Hudhaifa: The Prophet once delivered a speech in front of us wherein he left nothing but mentioned (about) everything that would happen till the Hour. Some of us stored that our minds and some forgot it. (After that speech) I used to see events taking place (which had been referred to in that speech) but I had forgotten them (before their occurrence). Then I would recognize such events as a man recognizes another man who has been absent and then sees and recognizes him.” [Ref: Bukhari, B77, H601] This is one of the miracles of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). These two Ahadith establish the amount of knowledge of Ghayb RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) possessed. Seeing Of Ghayb: While Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) was leading companions in prayers he saw paradise and the grapes in it and saw hell and Amr bin Luhai in it: “These (lunar and solar eclipses) are two of the signs of Allah and if you see them, pray till the eclipse is over. No doubt, while standing at this place I saw everything promised to me by Allah and I saw (Paradise) and I wanted to pluck a bunch (of grapes) therefrom, at the time when you saw me stepping forward. No doubt, I saw Hell with its different parts destroying each other when you saw me retreating and in it I saw `Amr bin Luhai who started the tradition of freeing animals (set them free) in the name of idols." [Ref: Bukhari, B22, H303] Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) saw behind him as he saw with his eyes and sincerity of peoples hearts was not concealed from him as the following Ahadith establish: "It was narrated from Anas that the Prophet used to say: "Make your rows straight, make your rows straight, make your rows straight. By the One in Whose Hand is my soul! I can see you behind me as I can see you in front of me." [Ref: Nisai, B10, H814] "It was narrated from Anas that: The Messenger of Allah said: 'Bow and prostrate properly, for by Allah I can see you from behind my back when you bow and prostrate.'" [Ref: Nisai, B12, H1118] "Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu'z Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah ( may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said: "Do you see the direction I am facing here? By Allah, neither your concentration nor your ruku is hidden from me. I can see you behind my back." [Ref: Muwatta.I.Malik, B9, H73] Other Ahadith establish that Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) was shown good/bad deeds of his entire Ummah during his life time and he will be shown the good/bad deeds of his Ummah after his deparths from earthly life: “It was narrated from Abu Dharr that the Prophet said: "My nation was shown to me with their good deeds and bad deeds. Among their good deeds I saw a harmful thing being removed from the road. And among their bad deeds I saw sputum in the mosque that had not been removed." [Ref: Ibn Majah, B33, H3683] “Narrated Sulayman bin Harb, Hammad bin Zaid, Ghalib al Qattan, Bakr bin Abdullah al-Muzani: RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) said: My life is good for you [because] Hadith are narrated for you and you narrate them. When I die then in my death there is good for you [because] your actions are presented to me. If I see goodness I will praise Allah and if I see otherwise I will seek forgive for you from Allah.” [Ref: Khasa’is Ul Kubra, Imam Suyuti, pages 391/392.] He also saw everything to take place on earth till day of judgment established from following Hadith: "Narrated Hakim Bin Nafi, Saeed Bin Sinan, narrated Abu Zahriyat, Kathir Bin Murra Abu Shajara al-Hadhrami, Ibn Umar said: Abdullah bin Umar (radi Allahu anhuma) that Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Indeed this entire world is in front of me so that I can observe everything in it. I can see everything in this world and everything that will take place till the Day of Qiyamah. I see the entire world as I see the palm of my hand". [Ref: Kitab al-Fitan, 1st Chapter, Hadith No. 2, by Hafidh Naeem Bin Hammad al-Marwazi] Hearing Of Ghayb It is recorded in Hadith Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) heard the screams of people being tortured in the graves: “Narrated Ibn Abbas:Once the Prophet went through the grave-yards of Medina and heard the voices of two humans who were being tortured in their graves. The Prophet said, "They are being punished, but they are not being punished because of a major sin, yet their sins are great. One of them used not to save himself from (being soiled with) the urine, and the other used to go about with calumnies (Namima)." Then the Prophet asked for a green palm tree leaf and split it into two pieces and placed one piece on each grave, saying, "I hope that their punishment may be abated as long as these pieces of the leaf are not dried." [Ref: Bukhari, B73, H81] “Narrated Abi Aiyub: Once the Prophet went out after sunset and heard a dreadful voice and said, "The Jews are being punished in their graves.” [Ref: Bukhari, B23, H457] “Anas b. Malik said: The Messenger of Allah entered the garden of the palm trees of Banu al-Najjar. He heard a voice and was terrified. He asked: Who are the people buried in these graves? The people replied: Messenger of Allah! These are some people who died in the pre-Islamic times. He said: Seek refuge in Allah from the punishment of the fire, and the trail of Antichrist. They asked: Why is it that, Messenger of Allah? He said: When a man is …” [Ref: Abu Dawud, B41, H4733] In another Hadith it is recorded Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and his companions heard a loud bang noise and Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) explained it is sound of a stone falling bottom of hell: “Abu Huraira reported: We were in the company of Allah's Messenger that we heard a terrible sound. Thereupon Allah's Apostle said: Do you know what (sound) is this? We said: Allah and His Messenger know best. Thereupon he said: That is a stone which was thrown seventy years before in Hell and it has'been constantly slipping down and now it has reached its base.” [Ref: Muslim, B40, H6813] Note sound of stone falling into Hell was heard by companions also because companions of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) witnessed with their ears a miracle of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Seeing And Hearing All Happenings In Universe By Prophet Of Allah: In another Hadith Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is reported to have said: "It was narrated from Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah said:“I see what you do not see, and I hear what you do not hear. The heaven is creaking and it should creak, for there is no space in it the width of four fingers but there is an angel there, prostrating to Allah. By Allah, if you knew what I know, you would laugh little and weep much, and you would never enjoy women in your beds, and you would go out in the streets, beseeching Allah.’” [Ref: Ibn Majah, B37, H4330] And same is reported in another Hadith of Tirmadhi: "Abu Dharr narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: "Indeed I see what you do not see, and I hear what you do not hear. The Heavens creak, and they have the right to creak. There is no spot, the size of four fingers in them, except that there is an angel placing his forehead in it, prostrating to Allah. By Allah! If you knew what I know, then you would laugh little and you would cry much. And you would not taste the pleasures of your women in the beds, and you would go out beseeching Allah." [Ref: Tirmadhi, B10, H2312] Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) described what he saw by saying there isn’t a even four-finger gap on which the angels don’t prostrate and informed about the creaking of space. This is indication of how much Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’salam) saw and heard. Ghayb Knowledge Implication Of Shaykh Thanvi’s Statement: Shaykh Thanvi’s writtenstatement in light of Baaz and Ba-wasta would read like this: “If it is correct to attribute knolwedge of Ghayb to holy being (of Prophet) then issue needing to be enquired is: Is this baaz (i.e. some/limited) from Ghayb or qull (i.e. every/all) Ghayb (of Allah); if some from (ba-wasta) knowledge of Ghayb is intended; then in this what is so unique about Hadhoor’s (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) knowledge of Ghayb; (ba-wasta) knowledge like (i.e. aisa) this is even possessed by Zayd and Amr; but infants, lunatics, every animal; quadrpeds and carnivores because every person knows something which is hidden from another person. (If knowing Ghayb is criteria of attributing title;) then we should call everyone of them Aalim al-Ghayb.” [Ref: Hifz ul-Iman, by Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Page15, here] The baaz/ba-wasta knowledge of Ghayb established in previous sections how does it not make Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and his prophetic knowledge unique? And which lunatic, insect, cow, goat, donkey, pig, Amr, buffalo shares with Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) all this knowledge of Ghayb? This much and countless more knowledge of Ghayb being known to RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) proves that he is unique. Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) having so much of ba-wasta and baaz Ghayb is his uniquesness and to negate his speciality/uniqueness of in baaz/ba-wasta Ghayb by equating his knowledge with lunatics, infants animals is Kufr: “… if baaz ba-wasta knowledge of Ghayb is intended; then in this what is so unique about Hadhoor (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam); ba-wasta Ghayb knowledge like-this is even possessed by Zayd and Amr; every infant, lunatic, all animals and quadrupeds …” Explanation Of Islamic Position With Examples And Their Objectives: When ever someone esteemed is compared with inferior in order to negate a merit then insult is intended. If one says: You’re not slim in fact you’re fat like a pig. He may say I intended to say you’re fat but every sane person would take offence for two reasons being called fat and being equated to pig in fatness. Similarly Shaykh Thanvi’s first offense is that he negated merit of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) and second is that he did so by equating him through prophetic knowledge to knowledge of Zaid, Amr, lunatics, infants, and animals. Also considering what the Ghuyub are; especially knowledge of Wahi/Quran, it is disrespect of Quran/Wahi; to say even lunatics, infants, animals … possess such baaz knowledge of Ghayb. And worse it would mean that lunatics, infants, animals and every day idiots can receive Wahi because it is part of baaz/ba-wasta Ghuyub. Conclusion: Baaz and Ba-wasta knowledge of Ghayb known to RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) is unique and the quantity and the types of Ghuyun known to him establishes his uniqueness/speciality in creation of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala). And therefore to equate Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) prophetic knowledge with knowledge of lunatics, infants, animals and common folk is to insult Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). Being equated to animals, lunatics and infants implies being infant, lunatic, animal in knowledge and or no better then them in knowledge. None would take this to be words of endearment. And to think for RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam) this would be acceptable/excusable is only dream and wishful thinking of disbelievers. Wama alayna ilal balaghul mubeen. Muhammed Ali Razavi. Footnotes: - [1] And if verse 26 is understood in the context of verse 25 and 27 then Ghayb referred is knowledge of judgment day and meaning is Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) does not share it with anyone other then chosen Messengers. Implications would be that Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) sends four gardian angels with Jibraeel (alayhis salam) so no one steals knowledge from him and that he delivers it to Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was’sallam). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Salam alaykum. Mughal bhai mein nay mazeed isko kohi jawab nahin dena ... agar aap thread close karna chahtay hen toh kar denh ... is ka kuch nazria al-Muhannad say heh is leyeh jald English mein al-Muhannad ki iba'rat aur hifz ul-iman ki iba'rat ... aur Saharanpuri ki taweelat ka radd mein English mein likhoon ga ... aur phir agar zeroori samja toh janab ki dajjaliat aur doka baazi ka phol bi aik English article mein hi khol doon ga. In janab kay radd mein ... meray woh article joh Hifz ul-iman par likhay thay ... English mein ... woh hi kafi aur shafi hen. Mein sab ko idhar paste kar deta hoon.

Salam alaykum. Ameen. Allah ta'ala kay karam say beti kafi behtr heh aur hospital say wapis lahay hen 24 gantoon baad. Kal phir leh kar jana heh anti-biotics waghera laganeh hen aur blood tests ki report bi denh gay. Kuch samaj nahin aahi keun itni shadeed bemar huwi. Saans normal ho gahi heh anti-biotic ki madad say ... magr abhi mazeed tests keren gay ...

Salam alaykum. Meri 7 hatoon ki umar wali beti hospital mein seenay mein shadeed infection ki say aaj hospital dakhal huwi heh. Saans lena dushwar thah ... dua keren Allah ta'alah ussay sehat yaab karay.

Salam alaykum. Yeh meri aakhiri post thi is kay baad kuch izafa nah hoga ... agr is nay kohi maqool baat likhi joh jawab talab huwi ya kissi nay hadayat ki toh phir warna ... murdoon ko la ilaha il-Allah kohi nahin para sakta ... yeh zinda ho kar kufr ki mawt mar gay aur mein is ko nahin suna sakta. Sabr kitna mushkil kam heh abh pata chala. Kia khoob kaha ... roz shaytan naal larna hen apnay aap nal larya hi nah ... kitaban parna hen apnay aap noon parya nah ... mandir maseet varna hen manh apnay vich varya nah ... mein nay socha kay ... aap naal larta raha hoon, apnay aap mein parr chuka hoon, aur dil mein gus bi chooka hoon ... abh toh nafs par control heh ... magr sabr ki pehli step say hi neechay gir gaya ... Salam Saeedi Sahib aur Khalil Rana Sahib par jinoon nay khamoshi ihtiyar ki aisay phakkar-baaz kay muqabileh mein sabr keeya.

Uppar wali ibarat par is nay yeh bakka: "Kaminy gatiya insan agar tum main rati bar b gharat hy tu Mairi bataon ka jawab dy. Aur agar rati bar b iman aur gharat hy tu jo gali main di hy uski list bana aur shari hukam laga. To keyamat to aisa nahe kary ga kun k harmi bus kutty ki tarah bonkta hy magar karta kuch nahe. Harami apny mufti ka fatwa par aik gali dou Aur 2 nafal ka sawab." Aur neechay mein nay is ka jawab doray thread mein aisay deeya. Allah ta'la Allamah Anayatullah rahimullah par apna karam karay ... un ki kabr par reham ki barish karay aur RasoolAllah ki jannat mein un ko parosi banahay. ameen. Baray ba ghayrat aur ba iman thay. Ghaali toh ghali heh magr kabi kabi kissi banday ka reaction aisa ho toh us ko bey-iman phakkar baaz nahin kahen gay ... jistera Hussain Ahmad Madani, Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri, Ismail Dehalvi, Ashraf Ali Thanvi waghyra thay ... aik number kay adatan phakkar baaz thay aur Ambiyah Awliyah ki towheen aur un ko gaali pesha thah ... Mein abhi samjta hoon Hadith say ... Aik Mushrik nay Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) say kaha kay tum RasoolAllah ko chor kar baag jaho gay agay joh Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) nay us ka jawab deeya ... yahan par tarjuma nahin kar sakta ... itni bari aur gandi gaali kay lafz hen: " امصص ببظر اللات، أنحن نفر عنه وندعه؟ " yeh ilfaaz hen. abh lafzi tarjuma toh nahin pesh kar sakta magr isharatan bata deta hoon kia banta heh woh khas lafz istimal nahin karoon ga ... kehta heh kay ham baag jahen gay ja? ja kar al-Laat ki sharm-ga ko chaat ... brown lafz ko mein nay thora halka kar deeya heh warna asali lafz kay mutabiq kia tarjuma banta heh ... Hadith bhot lamba heh sara pesh nahin kar sakta ... magr yeh link heh parh kar dekh loh ... here. Abh bata abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) par kaya hokam heh? Aur yeh reaction sirf is choti say baat par thah kay Mushrik nay kaha thah kay tum Sahabah RasoolAllah ko chor kar baag jaho gay ... sirf itni si choti si baat ... magr Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radiallaht a'ala anhu) say yeh towheen apni aur Sahabah ki bi bardast nah kar sakkay aur woh suna deeh joh tarjuma karnay waloon nay tarjuma nahin keeya ... abh is ka muqabilah tum Deobandi apni galiyoon say karo ... tum nay Sahabah ko nahin balkay RasoolAllah ko woh galeen deenh kay toba toba ... mein aakhir link pesh karta hoon kia kia khurafaat bakeen hen aur kia kia ghali denh hen aap kay maulviyon nay RasoolAllah ko ... aik taraf aik Mushrik ka Sahabah kay mutaliq kehna tum baag jaho gay aur phir us kay jawab mein Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) kay woh ilfaaz ... dosri taraf tum Deobandiyoon ki RasoolAllah ko ghaali aur Allamah Anayatullah Shah Sanglahilli kay sakht ilfaaz ... kia khiyaal heh donoon par kia hokam hona chahyeh? Aur Allamah Anayatullah Shah Sanglahilli fahash gaali nahin detay thay jistera aap kay abba aap ki ammi ko detay hen ... balkay woh misaaloon mein aisay ilfaaz jumlay istimal kartay thay ... jis say aap ki taweelat ka batal mardood hona sabat ho jistera mein nay dosray thread mein keeya heh. Misaal kay tor par Allamah Sahib aap ki ibarat ... har makhlooq bari ho ya choti Allah kay muqabileh mein chammar say bi ziyada zaleel heh ... toh is kay radd mein joh taweelen pesh kartay un ko malhooz rakh kar jmlay banatay aur aap ki ibaraat ka radd kartay... is ibarat par aap logoon ki taweel heh kay Allah ki paaki bayan kee heh RasoolAllah ki towheen nahin ... phir Allamah Anayat ullah shah aap kay asool ko leh kr aur samjanay ki khatir ... misaal tor par kuch istera ki ibarat pesh kartay thay ... Ashraf Ali Thanvi ki ammi ho ya us ki biwi ya us ki beti Allah ki paakeezgi kay muqabileh mein yeh teenoon heera mandi ki tawaifoon say bi ziyada bad-kirdar zaania aur America ki p*rn actresse say bi ziyada bay-haya hen ... Keun kay Thanvi ki maan, behan, beti, aap ki apni hen ... chahay Tawheed aur Allah ki paaki bayan heh ... magr aap ko un ki towheen hi nazr ahay gi ... is ko tanqeedi jawab kehtay hen ... jab apnoon ki towheen Allah ki paki kay bayan kay saath ho toh aap ko qubul nahin hogi ... phir RasoolAllah ko gali aur towheen aap ko Allah ki paaki kay bayan kay saath kesay qubul ho gahee heh? Allamah Anayatullah Shah Sanglahilli istera jawab detay thay aur aap ki taweeloon ka radd krtay thay ... magr haq yahi heh kay yeh andaaz bi ghaali heh ... magr tadbeer kay tehat istimal kartay thay. Farq sirf yeh heh kay Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) kay ilfaaz fahash gaali kay hen magr ada jazba Islam aur sahabah aur RasoolAllah ki muhhabbat mein niklay. aur Allamah Sahib nay husn e tadbeer aur ghalba e ishq e RasoolAllah mein aisa andaaz apanaya aur is ko samjnay ka tareeka banaya takay logh samj lenh kay haq kaya heh. Keun kay jab aisay jumlay Deobandiyon kay wasteh istimal hotay aur deobandiyon kay maulviyoon wasteh istimal hotay toh aap kay maulvi un ko ghaali tehratay aur mantay aur apni awaam ko batatay ... magr ineeh jaisay jumloom ko joh aapni kitaboon mein thay jin mein rasoolAllah ki towheen aur gali thee un ko ain tawheeed batatay ... aisay sakht jumloon ka istimal kar kay Allamah Anayatullah shah wazia kar detay kay jumloon ka structure same heh ... sirf tawheen Deobandiyoon ki kee ja rahi heh is wasteh yeh in ko gaali samajtay hen ... is tareekay say looggon pr haq wazia ho jata ... Magr mein toh yahan taq raazi hoon ... joh aap hukum Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) kay uppar nafiz keren gay wohi hukum app Allamah sahib par agar nafiz keren toh ham ko mannay mein kohi jijak nahin hogi ... shart yeh heh kay donoon kay uppar wohi hukum lagahen. La-jawab hen aur la-jawab rahen gay ... Kufr kay difa par zinda hen aur Kufr par hi maren gay. Abh atay hen jin refferences ka wada keeya: Ashraf Ali Thanvi ka RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) ko gali dena, here. Ismail dehalvi ka Ambiya aur Awliyah ko goli dena ... here, chotay baray ki tashree idhar heh, here. RasoolAllah kay mutaliq likha kay mar kar matti mein mil gay, here. Halanh kay sab ko pata heh kay Ambiyah kay jismoon ko matti nahin khaati ... aur un kay jism raak nahin hotay.

As-Salam alaykum, Aik Sunni bhai nay poocha heh kay jahannum ka kutta kehna yeh toh gaali heh ... RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) kesay keh saktay hen yeh ilfaaz? Is ki wazahat yeh heh kay aik gaali tohmat bi hoti heh ... agar mein kissi aisay par aisa ilzaam laghaoon jis say us kay kirdar ya asal mein nuqs ho toh gaali heh. Harami ko harami kehna gaali nahin magr ghayr-harami ko aisa kehna gaali heh ... keun kay tohmat na-haq gaali banti heh aur na-haq baat ka joh burahi karti ho woh bi gaali heh ... meray feham mein RasoolAllah ka Kharijiyoon ko jahannum kay kuttay kehna lughvi lehaz say nahin balkay yeh un ki haqiqat hogi. Yehni jab yeh Khariji jahannum mein dalay jahen gay toh kuttay bana kar dalay jahen gay. Aik Hadith mein aya kay Ibrahim (alayhis salam) kay chacha Azar ko jahannum mein kutta/hyena bana kar dala jahay ga ... Sahih bukhari ki haadith heh. Abh ihtiraz yeh ho sakta heh kay soorat ka maskh keeya jana ahle kufaar wasteh heh sabat heh Khawarij wasteh nahin ... toh jahan taq mein Hadith say Hadith ki tashree kar paya hoon tehqeeq kar paya hoon aur farmanaat e RasoolAllah ko samja heh ... us mein doh batenh musallam hen ... aik Khariji Islam say bahir nikal jahen gay aur dobara deen Islam ki taraf lotenh gay nahin ... dosra bazahir bey-hadd darja muttaqi parezgar hoon gay magr Islam ka ratti bar un pay nishaan/asar hoga ... Mein tamam un Wahhabiyyah joh asal o asool aqahid o nazriat Wahhabiyyah kay aalim hen aur ilm rakhtay huway mantay hen ... un sab ko Khariji aur Kafir samajta hoon aur yahi sabat heh. Bilfarz chalen Kafir nah bi hoon ... magr RasoolAllah ka farman gaali nahin ... kuen kay us say yeh sabat heh kay Khariji jahannum kay kuttay hoon gay aur ham Mushrik Azar wala Hadith say qiyas kar saktay hen kay yeh un ki haqiqat hogi yehni jahannum mein kuttay bana kar dalay jahen gay.

Wah! Wah! Deobandi'at ki na-paak aur bey-asal matti jhoot aur dajjl mein Dajjal ko bi ussee waqt maharat hogi jab us ka rabta Deoband say hoga. Jhootay par lakh lanat. ... Mein nay likha thah kay Masood Sahib nay likha thah: "Masood Sahib nay likha kay ACHI taweel karni chayeh. Aur aap toh kushi mein bilqul qabooh say bahir ho chukay hen … itnay qabooh say bahir kay aabh toh sar’ri gaali denay lagay hen. Magr gila nahin keun kay ..." Janab Hanafi-Group Sahib nay jawaban likhtay hen: "Ankhyn khol k par usny kaha hy acha nuqta nekala. Tu Tum ko nazar araha hy acha nuqta nekalna chea. Dono batoon main zameen asman ka faraq hy." Awal yeh kay joh ilfaaz muj say mansoob keeyeh meray hen hee nahin ... magr yeh jurm nahin ... keun kay janab apnay ilfaaz mein meray point ko us waqt tak bayan karnay mein mujrim nahin jab taq meray ilfaaz ka mana sahih bayan kartay hen ... agar mana mein agay peechay kartay hen toh mujrim zeroor hoon gay ... is sayaq o sabaq mein note keren muj say mansoob meray hen hee nahin magr ilfaaz ka mana sahih tor par tarjuma kar deeya heh. Abh raha meray ilfaaz mein nay kia likha aur kahan say. Array kissi andi kay bachay agay partay toh yeh bi nazr aa jata kay yeh ilfaaz hoo bahu nakal hen: Janab mein 4 jammaten zeroor pass hoon magr aap say parna samajna behtr ata heh. Abh sukoon say betho gay ... dialouge toh yeh thah " Jis ko Urdu parni nahe ati wo munazar karny chala hy. " magr ho keeya gaya ... toba toba itni zalalat agay say huwi ... ufff!!! Janab nay agay likha: "Tu Tumhary nazdeek moulna ashraf ali thanvi ny nazubillah gali di hy tu tum acha nuqta nekalo. Barelvio dekho Muhammad Ali pansa tu kahta hy Ambiya ko jo gali di jay uska b acha nuqta nekalo. Esy bara ghustakh barelvion main tum logo ko mil sakta hy?" Janab sar'ri ghaali mein ham taweel nah kartay hen aur nah achi taweel hoti heh aur nah karnay walay ko ham acha jantay hen. Hamaray kissi aalim nay Ahsraf Ali Thanvi ki ibarat ko acha nahiin kaha. Sirf Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri kay nuqtay ko acha kaha aur woh bi is waja say keun kay woh nuqta Ahle Sunnat ki ta'eed mein heh aur Deobandiat kay radd mein. Masood Sahib ki kitab ka uppar wala sara page peren ... woh likhtay hen kay Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri nay ibarat ki asal ko pesh nah keeya balkay woh nazirat pesh keeyeh joh Hussam al-Haramain ki taeed kartay thay. Misaal kay tor par mein kahoon ... Thanvi kuttay ka bacha heh ... acha nuqta yeh niklay kay ... Thanvi wafadar walden kay aulaad heh ... toh kohi bi aqal e saleem is ko tasleem nahin karay ga. Achi taweel ka nikal ana sar'ri gaali ko acha nahin bana deta ... kia meri taweel say ... thanvi ko kuttay ka bacha ... kehna darust aur tareef ho gaya aur kia aap aisi taweel ko qubul keren gay? Khalik Ahmad Saharanpuri nay woh point/nuqta nikala heh jis ka talluq ibarat kay kissi bi hissay say nahin. Taweel woh hoti heh joh ibarat ka aik aur mafoom bayan karay aur jis ka talluq zubaan kay muhawara say ho ... misaal tor par ...thanvi ko kuttay ka bacha kehna ... urf aam mein janwaroon say nisbat kissi khoobi khaami ki bunyad par deeh jaati heh ... sher, geedar, gadda, kutta, ullu, toh ... kuttay ki mashoor khobi wafadari heh ... is sayaq mein taweel jaiz banti heh ... magr joh Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri nay nuqta nikala heh us ka ibarat say door door talluq nahin. Agar tum sabat kar doh kay Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuir ka nuqta ibarat Hifz ul-Iman say sabat heh ham maan jahen gay. Janab nay muj say jhoot mansoob keeya: "Barelvio dekho Muhammad Ali pansa tu kahta hy Ambiya ko jo gali di jay uska b acha nuqta nekalo. Esy bara ghustakh barelvion main tum logo ko mil sakta hy?" Yeh jhoot wohi bol sakta heh jis mein haya ki ratti nah ho aur apnay abbay ki ulaad jaiz nah ho. Abh is ka bass nahin chal raha toh muj say jhoot mansoob karnay laga heh. Agar halal kay ho toh zera dekha doh yeh kahan likha heh mein nay. Mein toh wazia likhta aya hoon kay sar'ri ghaali mein agar taweel ho toh bi qubul nahin ... jistera ... Hanafi-Group ka abba kuttay ka bacha heh ... nah ham taweel kartay hen aur nah mantay hen ... aur joh taweel karta heh ham us ki taweel ka radd kartay hen ... is bunyad par kay zahir gustakhi ho aur irada aur niyat ki bunyad par hukum kuffr nahin roktay. "Number 2. Apni akabar k fatwa par. Ghustakh rasool ki baat ki jo taveel kary wo b kafir. Aur tun besharam kah raha hy k professor ny acha nuqta nekalny ka kaha (ye tairi apni taveel hy) Sab sy pahly tu tum kafir hogay. Professor k sath sath apny kufar sy fatwa utha." Janab mein nay kaheen nahin likha kay Professor Sahib nay kaha heh kay gustakhi ki achi taweel karo. Aap abh Deoband ki rawayati bey-hayahi par aa chukay hen ... yehni ultay pultay foul bako aur ilzaam doh. Pehlay bi bata chooka hoon kay sar'ri ghaali mein bi agar taweel ho ... achi ho... phir bi qubul nahin ... aur nah ham taweel accept kartay hen. Misaal Thanvi kuttay ka bacha ki pehlay deh chuka aur taweel bi bata kar keh chuka kay taweel honay ka bavjood yeh gaali sari heh. Thanvi haram ki ulaad heh ... is ki taweel masjid al-haram say kar doon yenhni ha'ram ... meri muraad Thanvi haram ki ulaad heh haram ki nahin ... abh taweel qubul hogi ... janab nah ham taweel kartay hen aur nah qubul kartay hen ... Raha hukm kufr, agar kohi sar'ri kufr/gustakhi ki taweel karay ... aur kufr/gustakhi ko kufr/gustakhi nah manay ... balkay gustakhi ko jaiz aur ayn Islam bananay kay chakkar mein taweel karay ... toh phir woh us'see tera Kafir heh jaisay ibarat likhnay aur us ko sahih mannay walay ki tara ... Ham nay taweel ko saraha heh ... kay Khalil Ahmad Ambethvi nay achi taweel nuqta bayan keeya ... magr nuqta acha huwa toh ham nay Thanvi ki ibarat ko kufr mannay say inqaar nahin keeya keun kay Khalil Ahmad Ambethvi ka nuqtay ka talluq Hifz ul-iman ki asal ibarat say nahin ... balkay us nay toh ibarat kay asal ko chupaya heh aur manpasan ibarat bana kar aur manpasand tashree kee heh ... tashreeh darust heh aur ayn mutabiq Hussam ul haramayn heh. Ham par tab fatwah kufr lotay ... jab ham taweel ko acha jaan kar asal ibarat kay kufr ko mannay say inqaar kar denh. kahen kay asal ibarat mein kufr nahin. Sayyidi ala Hazrat ka fatwah is kay mutabiq heh ... joh ibarat kay kufr aur musannif kay kufr aur azaab mein shak karay woh bi kafir heh ... janab ibarat toh kufr heh Thanvi kafir heh jahannum ka kutta bi heh ... yhni khariji. Yahi mera nazria heh yahi Sunniyoon ka aur yahi Professor Masood Sahib ka. Keun kay abh aap ki halat kharab ho chuki heh is wasteh rawayati chavloon par utar ahay hen. "Number 3. Barelvo k nazdeek ambiya ko galiyan dyny ka b acha nuqta nekal sakta hy. Tu phir koe gali gali n rahi aur n.a. ghustakh. Muhammad Ali 9 number pakar aur apna saar. Jab acha nuqta nekal sakta hy tu tum nekal dou Aur bahas khatam karyn. Main kahta hoon. Ahmad raza ny lekha Taira baap jahanam ka kutta hy. Main kahta hoon tu haram zada. Beggar nekah ki olad hy. Eska b acha nuqta nekalo. Taky ye b gali n.a. rahay." Janab yeh sabat baat heh kay sar'ri gaali gustakhi ki taweel nikal sakti heh ... thanvi kuttay ka bacha heh ... thanvi haram ki ulaad heh ... taweel jaiz sarri gali ki nikal sakti heh magr joh is taweel ko kubul karay aur joh aisi taweelat ki bunyad par sarri gaali ko sahih samjay aur sarri gali kay ilfaaz ko istimal karay toh nuqsaan imaan hasil heh. Jab aisi sar'ri ghaali ki taweel nikal sakti heh toh phir Ambiyah awliyah ki shaan mein joh sarri ghali bakkeen jateen hen un ki bi taweel nikal sakti heh ... magr jurm yeh heh kay aisi sarri gaali ki taweel ko sahih maan kar sarri gaali ko gaali nah samajna aur sarri gaali kay ilfaaz ko sahih samaj kar ambiyah auwliyah wasteh istimal karna ... ham Sunni Ambiyah ko sar'ri ghaali denay walay aur phir us sarri gali ki taweel karnay walay ko KAFIR JANTAY HEN. Janab aap kay mazhab mein Ambiyah ko ghaali dena gaali nahin hamaray mazhab mein sar'ri gaali gaali heh aur taweel bi karo toh gaali heh ... yeh drama kaheen aur karo kay ham Sunni sarri gaali ko tasleem kartay hen ... yeh toh aap ka mazhab heh kay sarri gaali detay huway bi kehtay ho ham nay Nabi ko gaali nahin deeh ayn towheed baayan ki heh ... ------------------------------------------------------ Readers say guzarish heh kay woh meri purani posts ko parh kar dekh leh ... mein nahin sirf yeh likha heh kay sar'ri gaali ki taweel nikaali jaa sakti heh ... magr kubul nahin kee jahay gi ... Apni guzri huwi posts mein bhot si misalen denh kar yeh samjaya heh ... Abh is ka bass nahin chala toh abh kehnay laga heh kay mein nay likha heh kay sari gaali ki taweel nikal sakti heh ... aur tassur yeh dena chahta heh kay ... mera aisa kehna is mana mein thah kay ... taweel nikal sakti heh toh phir jurm aur gunna aur kuffr nahin ... halan kay mein nay wazia sabat keeya heh kay sarri gali ki taweel ho bi toh qubul nahin ... balkay woh gaali hi rahay gi aur hukum zahir par hoga taweel par nahin ... Yeh abh gaali denay laga heh ... mein nah kehta thah yeh gaali deta heh ... Deo-ganda khameer, Deo-ganda zameer, Deo-gandi hakeer, ------------------------------------------------------

Readers ko hansi aahay gi. Janab Hanafi-Group nay pehlay post ki aur yeh likha: Phir meray khauf say is'see post ko edit kar kay yeh likha: Readers note keren abh yeh mujjay mukhatib nahin kar raha ... aur baqi Sunniyoon ko bula raha heh kay aap shamil hoon ... is ki asal waja yeh heh keh is ki koshish heh kay kissi tareekeh say discussion kissi aur simt nikal jahay aur is ki zillat aur ruswahi nah ho ... Abh janab muj say bhaag raha heh ... aap say guzarish heh kay aap is mein shamil nah hoon ... jab taq yeh Manzoor Naumani ki tara is forum say debate say nah bagay jistera Manzoor Naomani mUnazra Bareilly say baga thah ... yehni kitaben, aynak, jootiyan, danda, pagri, topi, balkay kuch rawayat mein yeh bi aya heh kay Manzoor Naumani toh apni shalwar bi chor bagay thay ... saath sirf zillat, ruswahi, khawari, kufr, gali, shikast, besati leh kar niklay thay ... yeh bi issee halat par aa chuka heh ... koshish heh kay wuzu ka bahana ban jahay aur phir baag niklay ... aap shamil mat hona is ko meray saath maghz mari karnay denh.

Pehlay joh jawab deeyeh hen sabat karo paray aur samjay hen ... har post ki brief report pesh karo jis say maloom ho kay tum nay meri har aik post pari heh ... us kay saath joh tum nay kaha thah kay meray fatwah ko qubul karo gay us ko bi qubul karo aur subut pesh karo thanvi waghayra kay kufr ka iqrar kar kay ... phir mazeed jawab loh ...

Masood Sahib nay likha kay ACHI taweel karni chayeh. Aur aap toh kushi mein bilqul qabooh say bahir ho chukay hen … itnay qabooh say bahir kay aabh toh sar’ri gaali denay lagay hen. Magr gila nahin keun kay Deobandi hota hee aisay hen. Aayeh aap ko chand ibarat bana kar pesh karta hoon aur khoob Thanvi ko zaleel karta hoon aur saath hi Masood Sahib kehnay kay mutabiq ACHI TAWEEL bi pesh karoon ga. Dekhtay hen aap ibarat kay zahir ki bunyad par mujjay gaali baken gay ya taweel parh kar meri tareef karen gay. Ibarat Number 1 – Thanvi Saab Ki Ankhoon Ki Khubsurati: “Agar Thanvi Saab ki khubsurat ankhoon ka zikr keeya jahay toh Thanvi Sahib ki kia takhsees heh aisi ankhen toh khanzir kay pass bi hen toh chayeh thah keh khubsurat ankhun ki bunyad par khanzir ko bi Thanvi aisa mana jahay. Izafa: Asal khasoosiat woh heh jis mein Thanvi Sahib munfarid hoon aur khanzir shamil nah ho aur jis mein donoon shamil hoon takhsees qabil nahin.” Achi Taweel - is ibarat ka matlab kuch yeh heh: Aisi ankhen jin mein jangli soowar aur Thanvi ki ankhoon mein taskhees nah rahay toh un ko Thanvi ki khubsoorati mein keun dakhal keeya jahay ... Thavi toh soowar say ala o arfah heh toh us ka zikr karna chahyeh jis mein woh aik soowar say munfarid ho aisi khoobi jis mein voh khanzir aur Thanvi mein farq nah rahay toh phir Thanvi ashraf al-Makhlookat mein say kesay ho sakta heh. Halanh kay ashraf al-makhlooqat say hen toh un ka khanzir say arfa o ala hona lazam heh toh phir aisi khubsurat ankhen jin mein soowar aur Thanvi ki ankhoon mun farq nah rahay kesay khoobi ho sakti heh aur kesay khoobi mein gina ja sakta heh. Izafa: Ankhoon mein toh khanzir shamil huwa magr khazir ki dumb heh aur Thanvi Sahib ki dumb nahin toh Thanvi Sahib ki khanzir par takhsees sabat huwi - waja dumb nah hona bana warna ankh, qaan, naaq, payt waghayra mein toh khanzir bi shamil heh. Aisa mein in buynadaat par Thanvi ki Khanzir par fazeelat sabat karna khilaaf e aqal heh. Thanvi Sahib ki Khanzir par joh fazeelat heh woh dumb nah honay say sabat huwi. Aur Thanvi Sahib ka ashraf al-makhlooqat mein say honay sirf dumb nah honay ki waja say sabat huwa ... aur Thanvi Sahib ko Khanzir par sirf is'see bunyad par mumtaziat milli aur ashraf al-Makhlooqat mein say huway ... warna un aza jismani mein Thanvi Sahib ki khasoosiat sabat karna jin mein khanzir shareek ho Thanvi Sahib ki ayn towheen heh aur ham toh Thanvi Sahib ki khasoosiat kay qail hen gustakhi aur gaali denay hamara sheva hee nahin. Ibarat Number 2 – Thanvi Saab Ki Nikkah Pehlay Ham-bistari: “Agar Thanvi Saab par aik aurat say ham-bistaari ka hukum keeya jahay toh daryaft talb amr yeh heh kay voh ham-bisatari Nikkah bad thee ya nikkah pehlay? Nikkah pehlay thee ya nikkah baad ho toh phir Thanvi ki is mein kia takhsees aisay toh kuttay billay khanzir balkay tawaifen bi karti hen toh Thanvi ki is mein kia takhsees rahi. Jis mein aur shamil hoon us say khasoosiat ka inqar/radd lazam ho jata heh. Lehaza takhsees nah rahi.” Achi Taweel – Yehni Thanvi Sahib ka kuttoon, khanziroon, tawaifoon ki tara ham-bistari karna us ki khoobi nahin. Dekhyeh kutta bi aik mating ceremony, parinday bi aik mating ceremony, balkay khanzir bi aik mating ceremony par amal kartay hen … jissay hijab o qubul tehraya ja sakta heh … har parinda janwar apnay tareekay say hijab o qubul ki rasm ada karta heh aur phir qubuliat ho toh ham bistari … Tawaifen toh pesoon ki khatir ba-ghayr Nikkah ham-bistari karti hen … toh Thanvi Sahib ka Nikkah say pehlay ya baad mein ham bistari karna takhsees layk nahin keun kay aisay toh ibarat mein likha heh kay khanzir kartay hen … toh joh harkat kuttay khanzir bi keren thanvi Saab ka hijab o qubul baad karna kaisay us ko khasoosiat sabat karta heh … chahyeh toh yeh kay voh bayan keeya jahay jis mein Thanvi Sahib Khanzir say arfa o ala sabat hoon ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Readers say guzarish heh kay joh mein nay ibaratoon mein aur tashreehat mein ghazzab kay nashtr maray hen un ko sirf Thanvi ki zaat taq hi mehdood rakhen aur taweeloon ko bi ... yeh ibaraat haqiqat dakkay chupay andaaz mein ghaali hen magr istimal karnay ka maqsid aur niyat sirf in ibaraat ko waseela hadayat bana heh nay kissi ki dil azaari aur nah kohi aisa asool qaim karna heh joh ko auroon par qiyas keeya jahay.... Mein sirf samjanay ki is koshish mein hoon keh ibarat ki achi taweel bi ho toh ibarat mein joh ghaali heh voh badal nahin sakti. Ahle Sunnat ka asool heh kay ibarat kay zahir mafoom par hukm shari nafiz kartay hen banday nay kis niyat say bazahir gaali ko likha aur kia irada thah us ka lehaz nahin keeya jata.

Admin hazraat yeh gaali denay par aa gaya heh jistera is ki asliyat heh.

Allah ta'la Allamah Anayatullah rahimullah par apna karam karay ... un ki kabr par reham ki barish karay aur RasoolAllah ki jannat mein un ko parosi banahay. ameen. Baray ba ghayrat aur ba iman thay. Ghaali toh ghali heh magr kabi kabi kissi banday ka reaction aisa ho toh us ko bey-iman phakkar baaz nahin kahen gay ... jistera Hussain Ahmad Madani, Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri, Ismail Dehalvi, Ashraf Ali Thanvi waghyra thay ... aik number kay adatan phakkar baaz thay aur Ambiyah Awliyah ki towheen aur un ko gaali pesha thah ... Mein abhi samjta hoon Hadith say ... Aik Mushrik nay Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) say kaha kay tum RasoolAllah ko chor kar baag jaho gay agay joh Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) nay us ka jawab deeya ... yahan par tarjuma nahin kar sakta ... itni bari aur gandi gaali kay lafz hen: " امصص ببظر اللات، أنحن نفر عنه وندعه؟ " yeh ilfaaz hen. abh lafzi tarjuma toh nahin pesh kar sakta magr isharatan bata deta hoon kia banta heh woh khas lafz istimal nahin karoon ga ... kehta heh kay ham baag jahen gay ja? ja kar al-Laat ki sharm-ga ko chaat ... brown lafz ko mein nay thora halka kar deeya heh warna asali lafz kay mutabiq kia tarjuma banta heh ... Hadith bhot lamba heh sara pesh nahin kar sakta ... magr yeh link heh parh kar dekh loh ... here. Abh bata abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) par kaya hokam heh? Aur yeh reaction sirf is choti say baat par thah kay Mushrik nay kaha thah kay tum Sahabah RasoolAllah ko chor kar baag jaho gay ... sirf itni si choti si baat ... magr Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radiallaht a'ala anhu) say yeh towheen apni aur Sahabah ki bi bardast nah kar sakkay aur woh suna deeh joh tarjuma karnay waloon nay tarjuma nahin keeya ... abh is ka muqabilah tum Deobandi apni galiyoon say karo ... tum nay Sahabah ko nahin balkay RasoolAllah ko woh galeen deenh kay toba toba ... mein aakhir link pesh karta hoon kia kia khurafaat bakeen hen aur kia kia ghali denh hen aap kay maulviyon nay RasoolAllah ko ... aik taraf aik Mushrik ka Sahabah kay mutaliq kehna tum baag jaho gay aur phir us kay jawab mein Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) kay woh ilfaaz ... dosri taraf tum Deobandiyoon ki RasoolAllah ko ghaali aur Allamah Anayatullah Shah Sanglahilli kay sakht ilfaaz ... kia khiyaal heh donoon par kia hokam hona chahyeh? Aur Allamah Anayatullah Shah Sanglahilli fahash gaali nahin detay thay jistera aap kay abba aap ki ammi ko detay hen ... balkay woh misaaloon mein aisay ilfaaz jumlay istimal kartay thay ... jis say aap ki taweelat ka batal mardood hona sabat ho jistera mein nay dosray thread mein keeya heh. Misaal kay tor par Allamah Sahib aap ki ibarat ... har makhlooq bari ho ya choti Allah kay muqabileh mein chammar say bi ziyada zaleel heh ... toh is kay radd mein joh taweelen pesh kartay un ko malhooz rakh kar jmlay banatay aur aap ki ibaraat ka radd kartay... is ibarat par aap logoon ki taweel heh kay Allah ki paaki bayan kee heh RasoolAllah ki towheen nahin ... phir Allamah Anayat ullah shah aap kay asool ko leh kr aur samjanay ki khatir ... misaal tor par kuch istera ki ibarat pesh kartay thay ... Ashraf Ali Thanvi ki ammi ho ya us ki biwi ya us ki beti Allah ki paakeezgi kay muqabileh mein yeh teenoon heera mandi ki tawaifoon say bi ziyada bad-kirdar zaania aur America ki p*rn actresse say bi ziyada bay-haya hen ... Keun kay Thanvi ki maan, behan, beti, aap ki apni hen ... chahay Tawheed aur Allah ki paaki bayan heh ... magr aap ko un ki towheen hi nazr ahay gi ... is ko tanqeedi jawab kehtay hen ... jab apnoon ki towheen Allah ki paki kay bayan kay saath ho toh aap ko qubul nahin hogi ... phir RasoolAllah ko gali aur towheen aap ko Allah ki paaki kay bayan kay saath kesay qubul ho gahee heh? Allamah Anayatullah Shah Sanglahilli istera jawab detay thay aur aap ki taweeloon ka radd krtay thay ... magr haq yahi heh kay yeh andaaz bi ghaali heh ... magr tadbeer kay tehat istimal kartay thay. Farq sirf yeh heh kay Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) kay ilfaaz fahash gaali kay hen magr ada jazba Islam aur sahabah aur RasoolAllah ki muhhabbat mein niklay. aur Allamah Sahib nay husn e tadbeer aur ghalba e ishq e RasoolAllah mein aisa andaaz apanaya aur is ko samjnay ka tareeka banaya takay logh samj lenh kay haq kaya heh. Keun kay jab aisay jumlay Deobandiyon kay wasteh istimal hotay aur deobandiyon kay maulviyoon wasteh istimal hotay toh aap kay maulvi un ko ghaali tehratay aur mantay aur apni awaam ko batatay ... magr ineeh jaisay jumloom ko joh aapni kitaboon mein thay jin mein rasoolAllah ki towheen aur gali thee un ko ain tawheeed batatay ... aisay sakht jumloon ka istimal kar kay Allamah Anayatullah shah wazia kar detay kay jumloon ka structure same heh ... sirf tawheen Deobandiyoon ki kee ja rahi heh is wasteh yeh in ko gaali samajtay hen ... is tareekay say looggon pr haq wazia ho jata ... Magr mein toh yahan taq raazi hoon ... joh aap hukum Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radiallah ta'ala anhu) kay uppar nafiz keren gay wohi hukum app Allamah sahib par agar nafiz keren toh ham ko mannay mein kohi jijak nahin hogi ... shart yeh heh kay donoon kay uppar wohi hukum lagahen. Abh atay hen jin refferences ka wada keeya: Ashraf Ali Thanvi ka RasoolAllah (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) ko gali dena, here. Ismail dehalvi ka Ambiya aur Awliyah ko goli dena ... here, chotay baray ki tashree idhar heh, here. RasoolAllah kay mutaliq likha kay mar kar matti mein mil gay, here. Halanh kay sab ko pata heh kay Ambiyah kay jismoon ko matti nahin khaati ... aur un kay jism raak nahin hotay. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- La-jawab hen aur la-jawab rahen gay ... Kufr kay difa par zinda hen aur Kufr par hi maren gay.

Toba Toba ... abh toh gaali ... Mein nah kehta thah kayDeo-banda ka khameer ganda, Deo-banda ka zameer ganda, aur Deo-banda asal aur nasal mein hakeer banda. Toba toba aisi gaali ... apnay abbay ki tara gaali deh raha heh ... IS KO WARN KEUN NAHIN KARTAY ... UKOO BAY-JI ... IS KO WARN KEUN NAHIN KARTAY ... WEH HEHE HEHE ... RANDI RONA DONA ... KURLAAT (CHEEKH-MAR KAY RONA) JARI HEH. Patli say is ki kamr itna bhoj nahin utha sakki aur aakhir mein gaali par utar aya heh ... abh toh haq ki zarben bardasht say bahir ho chuki hen. Bay-asaloon ki tara apna asali roop dekha deeya ...

Bicharay ki patli si nazuk si lachak-dar kamr tooti heh ... cheekh o pukar ... kurlaat jari heh ... wehhhhh wehehehe ... mein rona nahin band karoon ga. Uff toba dosray thread mein toh bichari par julm ho raha heh ... masooma bichari ko rona aa raha heh abh.

Thanvi ki ibarat: Ashraf Ali Thanvi ki ibarat Hifz ul-Iman kay mutaliq aap nay likha: " "1)Agar tum scan laga dou to jo tum fatwa lagao mujy b wohe gabool hoga." " Mein nay scanned pages ka awal link aur phir scanned page kay saath Fatwah bi jari keeya magr aap kay kehna thah qubul hoga ... magr kehnay kay bavjood qubul nah huwa. Agar banda bey-asal nah ho toh woh apnay moonh par say niklay ilfaaz ko poora karta heh. Aap kia hen aap ko pata chal hee gaya hoga. Aap nay mazeed agay likha: Har para likha banda janta heh kay agar kaha jahay kay tum nay meri towheen ki gustakhi ki toh bunyad choti aur moti gali hi banti heh. Keun kay kissi ki towheen aur gustakhi choti moti gaali say hi ho sakti heh. Aur Ulamah e Ahle Sunnat toh yahi ilzaam detay aur sabat kartay ahay hen kay Thanvi nay RasoolAllah ko towheen aur gustakhi ki. Magr yeh janab itnay ziyada paray aur likhay hen kay in ko is a wazia subut chahyeh. Chalen abh mein nay in ki shalwar beech bazaar utarna ki tand leeh heh toh utar deta hoon. Yaqeen keren yeh kabi bi nahin manay ga kay Thanvi nay gali deeh aur gustakhi ki. Agay walay referrence kay baad bi yeh yahi kahay ga ... jawab nahin aya ... jawab nahin aya ... Yeh woh banda heh jis type kay baray mein Quran mein aya heh yeh murda hen suntay nahin aur chahay tum un ko pukaro yeh sunneh walay nahin ... aur murday suntay nahin ... yehni woh zinda banda jis nay Kufr ki halat mein murda hona heh aur issee waja say issay murda tehraya gay. Munazra Bareilly Shareef ka referrence heh jis mein Allamah Sardar Ahmad (rahimullah) nay Ashraf Ali Thanvi kay ilfaaz ko GAALI AUR GALIYAN KAHA: HanafiGroup ka dosra mutalba yeh thah aur is ka jawab mein nay deh deeya thah magr abh puranay walay jawab saath chand tanqeedi jawab ki misalen bi hoon gi aur phir Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri kay asool par taweelen bi takay yeh achi tara samaj saken: Is point kay mutaliq mein nay post number panch, here, mein yeh likha thah: "Fazal e Barewli Ulamah e Hijaaz Ki Nazr Mein poori ibarat - https://archive.org/details/FazalEBarelviUlamaEHijazKiNazarMe/page/n189/mode/2up - Janab woh toh Hifz ul-Iman ki ibarat ki Taweel ka zikr heh jissay aik Thanvi sahib kay dajjal wakeel Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri nay pesh keeya ... JOH KHALIL AHMAD SAHARANPURI NAY TAWEEL KI IS KA ILM THANVI SAHIB KO BI ILM NAH THAH ... Yehni jis Qari nay ibarat likhi us ko bi maloom nahin kay meri ibarat ka mafoom kia thah aur heh magr us kay dajjal dost ko maloom ho gaya ... Thanvi Sahib ka yahi mana hota toh woh bi kartay jab keeh nahin toh thah nahin. Kitab Fazal e Bareilly ... mein joh kuch likha heh woh Taweel kay mutabiq heh ibarat hifz ul imaan kay oopar kuch nahin likha. Balkay musannaf Fazal e Bareilly Ulamah ... mein wazia likh rahay hen kay Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri nay Ahle Sunnat kay nazriat ko pesh keeya aur Deobandiyat ko chupaya. Chalen bil farz kar bi letay toh kia yeh is ibarat say sabat hoti heh: https://www.scribd.com/document/362180623/Book-Hifz-Ul-Iman-Author-Ashraf-Ali-Thanvi-Pblshr-Dar-Ul-Kutb-Deoband-UP-Print-New-Page15 Is ka faisla toh ilm wala aur haq parasti wala banda karay ga." Aayeh dekhtay hen kay Masood Sahib nay kia likha: Masood Sahib nay likha kay ... HIFZ UL-IMAN KI ZAHIRI IBARAT PAR BAAT NAHIN kartay ... balkay Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri ki Taweel kay mutabiq kehtay hen kay achi taweel ki heh ... Taweel achi ho toh kia ibarat ka zahir acha nahin ho jata heh ... aur kia taweel achi karnay say taweel karnay wala acha ho jata heh ... misaal tor par mein kahoon ... Thanvi kuttay ka bacha heh ... aur taweel achi karoon kay ... Thandvi wafadar mard/aurat ka bacha heh ... is bina par kay kuttay ki wafadari wali sift mashoor heh ... toh kia aap ko qubul hogi ... aur kia mein abh acha banda ho gaya ... Hukm Sharah NIYAT AUR IRADA KI WAJA SAY ROKA NAHIN JA SAKTA BALKAY ILFAAZ KAY KAHAY KAY MUTABIQ DEEYA JATA HEH ... NIYAT AGAR ACHI BI HO ... irada agar acha bi ho ... magr mera Thanvi ko kuttay ka bacha kehna ... aur achi taweel karnay say meri yeh gaali masoomiat ka darja nahin paati. Aik aur misaal lenh. Agar mein kahoon kay ... Thanvi aik number ka haram zada thah ... aap toh bad-zann hen is leyeh is ko gaali samjen gay ... magr mein haram kay mutaliq kahoon kay mein haram ko ha'ram (pakeeza) kay irada say likhta hoon magr aap ghalt rang deh detay hen ... is leyeh mera irada aur niyat kuch yoon heh keh ... Ashraf Ali Thanvi aik number ka haram zada ... magr aap meri baat ko ghalat rang deh detay hen ... abh batayeh meray likhay huway zahir par faisla keren gay ya phir meri ACHI TAWEEL par aap faisla denh gay. Mein bata chuka hoon keh ... hukum sharah zahir par aur ibarat kay urf aap mana par deeya jata heh nah niyat ki waja say roka jata heh aur nah irada yeh thah kay bahanay say roka jata heh ... hukm shari zahir par. Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri nay Kufr ko Islam bananay ko koshish ki ... jistera mein nay gaali ko kalamaat e tareefi bana deeya ... Taweel achi ho ... is ka matlab yeh nahin kay asal ibarat achi ho gahee ... jistera meri achi taweel say meri gaali achi nahin banti is'see tera thanvi ki gaali aur gustakhi achi nahin ho jaati ... Masood Sahib nay Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri ki taweel ko acha kaha ... aur mein bi acha hi kahoon ga ... magr taweel achi say hukm kufr uth-ta nahin ... keun kay Quran mein hukm aya heh la ta'qulu raina ... achi niyat aur achay manay mein lafz bola jahay magr agar kufr ka aur towheen ka mana niklay toh ibarat achi nahin kufr heh ... Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri ki Taweel kay mutaliq yeh likha chuka hoon kay Taweel woh keeeh heh joh ibarat kay Qari ko bi maloom nahin aur nah us nay khud ki. Balkay us nay tashbeeh aur is-qadr ka difa Bast al-Banan mein keeya aur phir Taghayr ul-Unawan mein ibarat kay badalnay ki koshish ki aur woh bi asal ibarat ko darust jaan kar ... ghalat jaan kar ruju aur tarmeem nah kee ... Thanvi ko apni ibarat ka mana nahin maloom thah aur apni taweel nah maloom thi ... kia Saharanpuri Thanvi ki ibarat ka abba thah jis ko behtr pata thah ya Thanvi ibarat ka abba thah ... agar Thanvi thah toh phir Saharanpuri ko behtr kesay pata? Ibarat likhnay wala aur mana bata raha heh aur us ka dajjali aur khabees un-nafs dajjal chamcha aur mana bata raha heh. Yeh khabees an-nafs dajjal gali nahin balkay Hussain Ahmad Madani ki nazeer ilfaaz hen agar Hussain Ahmad Tandvi gaali bak raha thah toh mein nay bi gaali deeh. Yaqeen keren aap idhar kurla bi nahin saktay kay yeh hammen gaali deh raha heh keun kay aap ki izaat aur aap kay uqabir misl khanzir khaaq mein millay hen yehni [ achi taweel] JKhanzir ko musalman haath nahin lagata balkay murda para rehta heh ... is'see tera aap kay uqabir murda paray rahay aur khaaq ho gay aur shirk ki niyat say kissi nay hath nahin lagaya ... jistera hindu Shirk ki niyat say but'h ko haath lagatay hen ... kia achi taweel heh. Mein mazeed farigh waqt mein Hifz ul-imaan jesi ibaraat likhoon ga jis mein Thanvi, HanafiGroup, aur in kay Deobandiyon ki matti plaeed karoon ga ... aur saath saath achi achi taweelen pesh karoon ga ... jis ko parh kar HanafiGroup kush hoon gay kay achi taweel heh ... is waja say gaali nahin banti ... abhi in ki itni hi besati kar sakta hoon.

Admin aur Moderators, Abhi tak toh mein nay Thanvi aur Ismail Dehalvi baqi Deobandi maulvi ki zubaan say ijtinab keeya thah. Magr abh mein nay danda uthana heh aur is nay kurlana (i.e. rona) aur koo-kratta (i.e. cheekh o pukaar) dalna heh. Mein nay is ko tehqeeqi jawab deeya thah jis ko is nay nah para aur nah samja ... abh mein is ko tanqeedi andaaz mein samjahoon ga... kohi das masaloon kay saath ... jis say is ko kafi dard hoga aur Deobandiyat ki rawayati phakkar-baazi par utar ahay ga ... yeh mujjay gaali deh raha heh ... joh aynda tanqeedi jawab mein is ka haal karoon ga ... yeh gussay mein shahid apnay abba ko bi gali denay lagay ... is waja say mujjay kohi ilzaam nahin ana chahyeh keun kay zuban aur asool e taweel ineeh kay mauvliyon kay hoon gay us mein andaaz meray apna hoga ... aap sirf enjoy keren.

Rona dona shoroon heh ... MuhammedAli ko roken ... aaaahahaa haha aaahahaha mein rona band nahin karoon ga jab taq aap MuhammedAli ko roken gay nahin ... weh heheh heheh aahahaha ... Admin hazrat ... is ko rona aa raha heh ... is nay rona dona aka randi rona shoroon kar deeya heh ... is ko warn keren muhammadAli is being mean to me ... he is hurting my feelings ... it hurt so bad ... is ko roken ... warna mein doodh nahin peeyoon ga ... mein apni saans band kar loon ga aur mar jahoon ga protest mein ... MuhammedAli ko roken ... plz roken ... roken nah ... ganda khameer aur ganda zameer banda hakeer aur harkaten bi is ki aisoon ki hi hen. Admin, Moderators, Agar yeh keh deh kay is ki feeling ko hurt huwa heh toh phir aap muj ko censor kar denh.

Janab yeh heh scanned page: RAHA MERA FATWAH toh hazir e khidmat heh: Joh banda Thanvi ki is ghaali ko ayn Islam janay, ya is ka difa karay, aqil ho balagh ho, aqal salamat ho, itla e Shar'ri aur ihtimam e hujjat ho janay kay baad Thanvi ki ibarat ko ghaali towheen gustakhi aur Kufr aur Islam kay bilqul khilaaf nah janay woh qattan Kafir heh. Aur joh yeh sab jaan kar aur samaj kar aur is par bi ba-khabr ho kay Thanvi ko har kism ki hadayat ki ja chuki thi aur ihtimam e hujjat ho chuki thi magr phir bi toba nah kee aur kufr par data raha ... aur banda phir bi Thanvi ko Musalman janay woh bi Kafir heh. Aur joh aisay kafir kay kufr mein shaq karay woh bi kafir heh. Thanvi Saab kay bey-lagam ashiq abh is fatway ko maan lenh jaisa likha thah kay maan lenh gay: "1)Agar tum scan laga dou to jo tum fatwa lagao mujy b wohe gabool hoga." Maan kar sabat kar doh kay aap apnay abba jaan aur ammi jaan kay asli hen warna yeh toh ihtiraaf kar loh kay meri asal mein kharabi heh. Ham toh chahtay hen kay aap ki asal mein kharabi sabat nah ho. Magr aap nah manay toh phir apni aami jaan par khud ghalat fehl kay ilzaam kay zum e daar hoon gay. Ammi ko ghalt fehl ka zum e daar tehrana heh ya phir wada mutabiq maan kar apni ammi jaan ko mazlooma masooma sabat kar denh.

Stage Three: MuhammedAli Kay Khilaaf Zaneem Ki Daal Nah Gali: Mera sara khandan Sunni thah, Sunni raha, Sunni heh sirf mein hi Wahhabi huwa college kay zamanay mein aur phir Deobandi huwa ... baad mein Allah kay karam aur madad say Sunni huwa, lambi kahani heh aur engrezi mein publish kar deeh thee, here. Meri sari kahani likhi huwi heh aur wazia likha heh kay mein orthodox yehni Sunni garanay mein peda huwa. Pehla paragraph bata raha heh kay mein Sunni aur kis type Sunni garanay mein peda huwa thah: "One: My Level Of Eduction In Pakistan: I was born into orthodox Muslim family. Both my parents were not practicing Muslims but I did receive some religious education in our village Masjid by Hafiz Barkat. Education consisted of learning how to read the Arabic script of the Quran, which I was not keen on and did the best to avoid it and despite occasional beatings. I did not learn the method of reading Arabic script. Only religious interest I had was monthly Giyarweenh Mehfil hosted in our Masjid. That too was special effort for the Math-thahi distributed after the end of Mehfil. My knowledge of deen consisted of basics of Tawheed, belief in angels, Prophet-hood of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam), judgment day, resurrection, being accountable for deeds, paradise, physical side of prayers, human-ness (i.e. Bashari’at) as well as Noorani’at of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam), finality, historical event of Prophet Yusuf (alayhis salaam), the saga of Karbala, accounts of wars in connection with Prophet (sallallahu alayhi was’sallam), Apart from knowing these I had no real knowledge of my own belief. The knowledge I did possess of belief was imparted by elders and for which they did not have any evidence. It was mere repetition of what was heard from Scholars of Ahle Sunnat which they repeated and transmitted to me." Janab ko bara dukh hoga kay aap kay kizb ka banda phoot gaya. Magr Imam Ahmad Raza (rahimullah) ki talimat kay mutabiq gustakh e Rasool zaneem/haram-zada zaroor heh ... aur woh bi un ka kehna nahin balkay yeh Allah ka farmana Quran say sabat heh ... Allah kay Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) kay mubarak ilfaaaz yehni kilab fin naar (i.e. jahannum kay kuttay) ko gaali kehna wala gustakh e RasoolAllah sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam nah ho toh phir kia aur ho. Aur aisa gustakh haram-zada nah ho toh phir farman e illahi jhoot ho jahay aur yeh muhaal heh. Stage Four: Masla Fiqha Nikkah Bad-Mazhab o Kafiran: Mazhab e Islam, Hindu, Sikh, Yahood, Christian, sab kay nikkah, yehni christian ka christian say, Hindu ka Hindu say, Yahoodi ka Yahoodi say, ya phir Christian ka Hindu say, mix Nikkah ko accept karta heh. Aur shari'at mein aisay Nikkah mein darust hen aur aurat mard joh aisay nikkah kartay hen woh nah toh zina kay murtaqib hen aur nah ulaad un ki haram ki tasawar hoti heh. Balkay un kay mazahib kay mutabiq un ki shadi ho Islam us nikkah ko accept karta heh aur ulaad walid ki maani jati heh aur ulaad walid ka warsa hasil karti heh. Agar yeh maloom nahin toh kissi bey-asal Deobandi mufti say hi pooch loh. Is'see tera, aur is'see asool kay mutabiq, Deobandi ki shaadi Deobandi say, Wahhabi ki Wahhabi say, Shia ki Shia say ... ham Sunni aisi shadiyoon aur nikkahoon ko tasleem aur jaiz samajtay hen. Aur mard aurat ko zina ka tan nahin detay aur nah ulaad kay haram honay ka tana detay hen ... keun kay Deobandi ki shaadi Wahhabi say aur Wahhabi ki shaadi Deobandi say, Shia ki Wahhabi say, aur Deobandi ki Shia say ... waghayra ... hamaray Ulamah kay mutabiq ho jaati hen magr shart kay donoon mein say kohi kufr ki had taq nah poncha ho... aur aisoon ki ulaad ko walid ki ulaad aur warsa hasal karnay ka hukum jari katay hen. Sirf ham Sunni aurat ka nikkah Wahhabi, Deobandi, Shia waghayra say haram jantay hen ... balkay agar Sunni mard ho aur Deobandi, ya Wahhabi, ya Shia auraat ho aur woh auraat Kufr par ho aur wazia ho toh ham us Kufr ki bunyad par aisi aurat say Nikkah bi mamnoon/haram tehratay hen. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stage One: Deobandi Nay Apnay Aap ko Zaneem Yehni Haram-Zada Honay Ka Subut Deeya: Pehlay Hadith pesh e khidmat heh: "It was narrated that Ibn Awfa said: "The Messenger of Allah said: 'The Khawarij are the dogs of Hell.'" [Ref: Ibn Majah, B1, H173, here.] "Abu Ghalib narrated that Abu Umamah said: '(The Khawarij) are the worst of the slain who are killed under heaven, and the best of the slain are those who were killed by them. Those (Khawarij) are the dogs of Hell. Those people were Muslims but they became disbelievers.' I said: 'Abu Umamah, is that your opinion?'He said: 'Rather I heard it from the Messenger of Allah.'" [Ref: Ibn Majah, Book 1, Hadith 176, here.] "Narrated Abu Ghalib: "Abu Umamah saw heads (of the Khawarij) hanging on the streets of Damascus. He said: 'The dogs of the Fire and the worst dead people under the canopy of the heavens. The best dead men are those whom these have killed.' He then recited: On the Day when some faces will become white and some faces will become black... (3:106) until the end of the Ayah. I said to Abu Umamah: 'Did you hear it from the Messenger of Allah?' He said: 'If I had not heard it but one time, or two times, or three times, or four times - until he reached seven - I would not have narrated it to you.'"" [Ref: Tirmadhi, B44, H3000, here.] Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat, Imam ul-Muslimeen Wal-Momineen, Kutb ul-Kamileen, Mujadid o Mujtahid ki zuban Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) ki zubaan ki tarjumani kar rahi heh aur Allah kay Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) kay farmaan kay naqil aur mubaligh hen. Aur joh ilfaaz kalab fin-naar yehni ... jahannum kay kuttay ... ko ghaali kahay woh haqiqat mein jahannum ka kutta heh ... aur us ki asal mein mujjay shak heh keun kay us nay Allah kay Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) ko ghaali denay wala samja ... aur yeh Allah kay Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wa aalihi was'sallam) ki towheen heh ... aur un ko gaali denay wala tehranay kay mutaradif heh ... aur aisay gustakh kay baray mein Allah ta'ala nay Quran mein farmaya kay woh zaneem (haram-zada heh). Stage Two: Bey-Asal Ki Asliyat Ka Phol Khol Deeya: Sayyidi Ala Hadhrat (rahimullah) nay jahannum kay kuttoon ko Sunni auratoon ka Nikkah mein denay ko haram likha aur haq aur sach likha. Jhootay kazzab Deobandi ki bey-asal honay ka subut pesh khidmat heh. Dekhyeh yeh kesay haram-zadoon ki tara jhoot bol raha heh ... note keren mein is ko haram zada keh nahin raha balkay haram-zadoon mein nuqs hotay hen aur un mein jhoot, doka, loot gaseet, bey-rahmi, gali baazi, waghayra kay nuqs fitrati hotay hen ... agr shak ho toh nafsiyati studies joh haram zadoon par keeh gahi hen parh kar dekh lenh ... here ... doka denay aur jhoot ki khaamiyan haramiyon mein bhot ziyada hoti heh ba-qadr e halaliyoon kay ... is waja say janab ki doka-baazi ko haram-zadoon say nisbat deeh. Tumara dawa kia thah kay Ala Hazrat nay Deobandiyon kay baray mein likha heh kay, i) Deobandiyon ka Nikkah nahin, ii) Deobandi Wahhabi ko beti Nikkah mein dena kuttay kay neechay denay kay barabar heh: Magr joh ibarat aap nay Ala Hadhrat (rahimullah) ki pesh ki us mein unoon nay GHAYR-MUQALLID Wahhabiyoon kay mutaliq farmaya kay un kay Nikkah mein Sunni aurat ka deeya jana mamnooh aur gunnah heh: Yeh joh zubaan aap kay abba aap ki ammi wasteh istimal kartay hen ... kay ooo ji HanafiGroup ki maanh, teray abbay nay meray jaisay kuttay kay neechay tujjay deeya heh ... is ka subut kahan heh? ADMIN hazrat mein ghaali nahin deh raha ... jistera is kay ISMAIL DEHALVI nay RasoolAllah say mansoob keeya ... mein bi mar kar mitti mein milnay wala hoon ... aur yeh is ko gaali nahin samajtay keun kay yeh kehtay hen kay Shaykh Dehalvi nay khud nahin likha balkay RasoolAllah say kehalwaya heh aur aajzi wasteh khelwaya heh ... mein bi issee asool kay mutabiq is kay abbay say kahelwa raha hoon ... keun kay is ka abba bara aajiz thah ... Is kay asool mein yeh gaali nahin heh aur naah towheen heh magr hamaray feham mein heh ... agar yeh aisi zuban meray wasteh istimal karay toh aap ko haq hoga kay is ko ghaali denay kay jurm mein banned kar denh. Janab dawah tumara heh aur daleel tumaray zummen heh ... mujjay toh keh rahay thay kay poori kitab ka link nahin deeya jata balkay matlooba page ka scan lagaya jata heh ... aur mein nay matlooba page hi pesh keeya thah ... magr khud daway par daleel woh bi jis mein aap kay abba hazoor ki zuban sabat nahin aur keh rahay ho kay kitaab ko parh kar nikaal loon ... apnay kartoot dekho ... asool woh banaho jis par khud puray utro auroon ko lecture kay istera referrence doh aur khud ... Janab agar Ala Hadhrat ilfaaz kilaab fin-naar istimal kar kay gaali denay walay huway toh ...phir toh tum nay RasoolAllah ko bi gaali denay wala sabat keeya ya nahin. Keun kay yeh ilfaaz toh RasoolAllah kay hen Ala Hazrat toh naqil hen. Aur ilfaaz bolnay wala aur naql ko mannay wala yahan par aik hi hukum kay mustahiq hoon gay ... yehni agar Ala Hadhrat gali detay hen toh phir RasoolAllah nay pehlay gali deeh jis ko Ala Hadhrat nay naqal keeya aur naqal mein gaali deeh. Teray mazhab ka abba ... yehni dhil khawaisirah at-Tamimi bi itni himmat nah kar sakka us nay bi ilzaam deeya kay insaaf nahin keeya ... khuda ka khauf karo ... magr us khabees nay bi itni himmat nah keeh kay Nabi-ullah ko gaali denay walay ka ilzaam deh. Lakh lanat teri himmat par.

Apnay abba jaan ki zubaan ko taqiya kalam nah bana loh. Agar woh tum ko bar bar harami honay ka tana deta heh is ka matlab nahin kay sab tumaray jaisay hen. Ussay kuch shaq hi hoga toh woh tummein aisa kehta heh biwi joh us ki heh pata bi ussee ko hoga kay kia kar sakti heh. Is leyeh apnay abba kay kalam ko aur apni asliyat ko aur apni ammi kay kirdar ki haqiqat ko chupa kar hee rakho. Idhar dandora peetnay ki zeroorat nahin. Raha jawab toh woh mein is post mein deh chuka: Aur mazeed is post mein wazahat kar deeh kay tum Deobandiyoon nay kon kon say gaali RasoolAllah ko deeh aur tum un gaali ko ayn islam batatay aur mantay ho: Abh tumaray pass jawab nahin heh sirf yahi kaho gay .... JAWAB DOH ... JAWAB NAHIN DEEYA ... JAWAB KEUN NAHIN DETAY ... IDHAR JAWAB DOH ... readers dekh lenh gay kis ko jawab nahin mila ... haq aya heh aur haq nay Deobandiyat ko chit kar kay lata deeya ... abh Deobandiaat zaleel aur ruswah ho kar roh rahi heh ... aur rona dona karo ... urf aam mein randi rona aur karo ... Allah nay zaleel aur ruwa keeya heh ... aur abh apni besati ko chipanay ki hatir tum filmi dialoge mar rahay ho ... Allah nay zillat aur chootoon ka haar tumaray galay mein dala heh ... abh la-jawab ho kar bar bar yahi ... jawab nahin deeya jawab nahin deeya ...

Phir Hussain Ahmad Tandvi ki tara ghaali denay shoroon ho gaya heh. Dar asal is kay gar ki tehzeeb aisi heh aap bura nah manayeh ga. Abh is ko soowi aaik hi baat par atak gahi heh ... jawab nahin deeya ... jawab nahin deeya ... kab jawab doh gay ... jawab nahin deeya ... jawab bi deeya jin readers nay parna heh woh parh lenh gay. Under line red me ho ... agla kia mutalba hoga ... meray sar par aynak bi laga doh ... kamray ki light bi on kar doh ... parh nahin sakta parh kar suna doh ... samaj nahin sakta mujjay samja doh ... maan nahin sakta mujjay haq manwa doh ... aray bhai yeh keun nahin kehtay keh meh nay manna hi nahin kay kavwa kala heh ... joh bi ho jahay ... manna hi nahin ... kohi nah kohi bahana bana lena heh ... Wesay aap wasteh nahin yeh toh readers wasteh likha heh woh khud parh lenh gay. Aap ko toh mein pehlay likh chuka hoon kay farishta aa kar bi batahay kay yeh sach heh ... aap phir bi nahin maneh gay ... aap nay kufr par marna heh ... kufr wali maut ganday khameer aur gatia zameer say sabat heh ... is leyeh yeh aap wasteh nahin balkay un logoon wasteh mehnat heh jinoon nay haq dekh kar aur parh kar qubul karna heh.

Tanzeeh Ur-Rahman En Shaiba Til Kizb Wal Nuqsan, by Allama Hafiz Ahmad Hassan Kanpuri. Link: https://archive.org/details/TanzeehUrRahmanEnShaibaTilKizbWalNuqsan/mode/2up

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